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You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

That's exactly where I got it from. Now, I was just thinking that in 1973, that would be a huge space, the size (or larger) than hard drives! So you could transmit your entire hard drive in a second, barring server stuff and hard drive speed. It sounded strange to me. ;-) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: James Willing <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 1:06 AM Subject: Re: You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet) >On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > >> > >> > Sorry, but this seems crazy to me. Was Ethernet invented in 1973? Was it >> > 10MBps then? >> >> I somehow doubt it! > >>From the tagline of Bob Metcalfe's regular column in Infoworld... > (this should explain all...) > >"Technology pundit Bob Metcalfe invented Ethernet in 1973 and founded 3Com >in 1979, and today he specializes in the Internet..." > >...and just in case that does not work for you, I have a copy of the >original joint specification document buried in the archives somewhere. >B^} > >-jim >--- >jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com >The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw >Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 >

28 years

You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Dunno when the 8X305 came out. I've seen them, and got the data sheets, <but never used one. Well after the 2901! it's far more complex. It was preceded by the 8x300 and the 3x305 was somthing like 1979-81. Allison

28 years

eBay = Mkt Value? (was: my objection to recent postings)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:35 AM 4/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >> As to whether prices on eBay represent what experienced, knowledgeable >> collectors will pay, that's another story. > >Exactly my point. I'd rather base valuations on what experienced, >knowledgeable collectors will pay. People who have a better idea of how My point too. There's a big difference in "market value" and "collector value". (Don't believe me, buy a "collectible" plate sometime, or coins >from a TV shopping channel.) Market value is what the average idiot will pay, at auction or elsewhere. Collector value is what an informed collector will pay, based on rarity, significance, etc. I've got books on disney, hot wheels/corgi/dinky/matchbox/etc., glassware, collectible board games, and so on (used to be in the business, kinda) and I am often amazed at what things sell for, at auction, at antique shows, in stores, as well as at garage sales, flea markets, and so on. Heck, Hake's is one of the biggest value setters in the US of pricing on Disney, politicals, advertising, and so on stuff, but still, a lot of collectors (me included) think their prices are inflated. Market value versus collector value. >> That's a tough call. Do you sell it to someone who will use it and >> appreciate it for what you paid for it, or do you put it on eBay so you can >> pay the property taxes? I haven't got an answer to that one yet. > >I do...sell it to me :) Ah, but... Say I'm a newbie to the group (and don't take this personally!), how do I know that if I sell you my //c LCD screen for $20, I won't see it listed on eBay next week with a starting bid of $400? And even though I know you wouldn't do that, I still not that easy. As an example, I've got two SE/30 motherboards, brand new, in the Apple Service boxes. I know some people here expressed interest in them, so I should probably offer them here, cheaply. The problem is, they're actually part of the Mac stuff allocated to my girlfriend's school. If I sold them on eBay, I might get enough to buy a complete, working IIci system to put into the classroom for the kids to use. What do I do? And even if they weren't going to the school, I wasn't able to take my dad and niece to Disneyland this year because I can't afford it. If I sold them on eBay, that would pay for part of a cheap trip to Dland. Like I said, tough call. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years

Re.: How about a weekly FS/T list? (was Sale postings to Classiccmp)

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Here's an idea... How about making Friday the "classifieds section" day? You know, like the local newspaper. Although classifieds appear in newspspers daily, it seems that one day has many more than the others. This would reduce the daily FS/T traffic, but still enable people to trade stuff. I see ClassicCmp as a great resource, not only for information not available elsewhere, but also for physical equipment and software which is obviously no longer made or supported by the manufacturer. I also think that those on this list should give (and be given) first crack at something that one of us has for sale. We all know eachother, have dealth with eachother previously, and for the most part, know that "the check is good." Trading should continue, but maybe it should be aggregated and done on one day. Maybe Monday's the right day...maybe Friday. I don't know. Just my $0.02. Happy Holidays to all. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years

Thoughts about a Classiccmp private newsgroup

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:49 AM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote: > Scanning today''s messages gave me an idea. I don't know if this has >been discussed before, but I don't remember it being discussed. It has. It comes up every now and then on every mailing list. What usually happens is that those who want a newsgroup go off a create a newsgroup, and the ones who can't access or don't like newsgroups stick to the e-mail list, and the real die-hards follow both, cross-posting stuff all the time. > ClubWin! Charter Member (6) ^ I am not a number, I am a free man! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years

You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet)

by peacock＠simconv.com

> From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > Actually, it's all discrete TTL chips (74S181 ALUs, 74161's for the > program counter, etc). The KMC11 and DMR11 (a later version That's right 'ls181, a crude bit slice ALU. I remember there was a way to download microcode directly, the RSX driver supported it. None of those cool 2900 series slices were around yet, maybe even the 8x305 was still on the drawing board. I still have the AMD 2901 design book, heavy going but it tells you everything you ever want to know about building a CPU from scratch. I don't suppose anyone has some kind of system built from 2901 bit slices? Roll your own microcoded instruction sets? Jack Peacock

28 years

by POLARIS＠VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU

Hello - could you add me to the list? Thanks, Dave Forsyth

28 years

You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet)

by maynard＠jmg.com

Allison, this was private email, but I figure this may be actually of interest to the group. There's nothing here personal, or insulting anyway... OK. So Allison says the HEX bus 11/44 ran a BSD variant with networking. I would guess a Q-BUS CPU with memory management like the 11/23 and 11/73 line should run this BSD variant as well... what I want to know is, did the kernel fit into 64K in one segment, or did they spread the kernel across segment bounderies? If so, how? I mean, I could see overlays (in the kernel... blech!), but I don't remember the 11 supporting long long jumps... and address value was 16 bits, period. Still, I was never great at 11 assembly. Could someone here give a good detailed account of PDP-11 segment mapping support? Could my stack and register values be retained and follow while moving from segment to segment? And how the hell did you tell the memory manager you wanted to pop to another segment, anyway? The curious want to know.... --jmg > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:40:32 -0400 > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) > To: maynard(a)jmg.com > Subject: Re: You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet) > > > < I find it tough to believe that a BSD kernel with networking > < fit into the 64K memory segments of the PDP11... The copy of > < Venix I ran on my 11/23 didn't support networking and the > < kernel most _definately_ fit into only one segment. > > Venix didn't, but IP and friends was developed on PDP11s! It definately > fit and was run on 11/44s and the like so it would fit on an 11/23. That's > not to say there wasn't whole lto a swapping goin on. > > Allison > >

28 years

[OFF TOPIC?] Fixed Freq Monitor Questions

by maynard＠jmg.com

OK, This is mildly on topic. My monitor is an HP 1097C, making it at least 10 years old. However, I am using it with a modern PC, so that's where the 'on topic' issue gets a little iffy. I'm sure there are plenty of people here who can answer this question. A pointer to a FAQ would be most welcome. These old monitors are Fixed frequency, unlike our modern monitors which multisync. The 1097C supports only a 78.125 khz Horizontal Scan Rate and a 72hz Vertical Refresh Rate. Now a couple of years ago I foolishly bought one of those cards by Mirage (www.mirage-mmc.com) which is supposed to be a 'fixed freq video card'. Actually, it's an OEM Diamond card, basically an S3/968 video processor with an IBM 52x RAMDAC - ala Diamond Stealth VRAM. The fixed Freq hacks are basically a resistor (and a jumper selection) to drive sync over green, and a homebrew PROM to skew the VESA frequencies for several video and text modes. It works, but Mirage hasn't been too helpful with getting a variety of XFree86 modelines, even though they claim to support Linux and XFree86. They give out _one_ modeline for 1280 x 1024, which they swiped from the XFree86 distribution in 'Monitors.txt'. For Windows and Dos, they give out a video driver which seems to work just fine. It will even display 320x200 full screen (Quake works great in DOS!), and boots to a functional 80x24 col text mode. How the hell do they do this? Here is how I'm calculating my video modes based in the XFree86VideoModes HOWTO (found in every Redhat 5 distribution): Dot Clock Per Second Total Horizontal Pixels Per Line = -------------------------- Horizontal Scanning Rate Since my refresh rate must be at 72hz to sync with the HP1097C: Dot Clock Refresh Rate = ------------------------------------------------- Horizontal Frame Length * Vertical Frame Length So, it's really more constructive to think of this as how many pixels _total_ do I need to display in order to get a 72 hz vertical scan rate with any arbitrary dot clock? In this case I need Dot Clock Total Pixels Per Frame (HFLxVFL) = ------------- Refresh Rate Since I know my Horizontal Pixels Per Line, I can use this to determine the number of vertical lines which will support a 72 hz refresh rate.... hmmm, this is where things get sticky. We'll start with a DCL of 10Mhz... 10Mhz Dot Clock 128 Horizontal Pixels = ----------------------------- 78125 hz Vertical Scan Rate 10 Mhz Dot Clock 138888 Total Pixels = --------------------------- 72 hz Refresh Rate 138888.88 Pixels 1085 Vertical Lines Per Frame = ----------------------- 128 Horizontal Pixels Sheesh! A (total) screen resolution of 128H x 1085V? What about a 20 Mhz dot clock? Well, after graphing the results I quickly observed this: S | T C | o R R | 128H 256H 384H 512H 640H 1728H ** T E E | x x x x x x A E S | 1085V 1085V 1085V 1085V 1085V 1085V L N | | DCL ----+------+-------+-------+-------+------- [...] ----+----- 10 20 30 40 50 135 (** Perfect for a usful screen resolution of 1280x1024) So, based on this, I cannot get small or talored screen resolutions unless I am willing to accept wide borders and strange resolutions. Yet my card works....It does _not_ display this behavior... so I suspect my thinking is to blame. Will someone please correct me? Apologies if you consider this post off topic... J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years

You've got to be pulling my chain... (Ethernet)

by peacock＠simconv.com

> From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] > > 802.. eithernet was always 10mbit/s. The 1.5mhz stuff was > arcnet. They > are similar in that they are both bus topology using CSMA/CD > arbitration. > Not quite. Arcnet was not a CSMA/CD but token passing, more in common with Token Ring rather than Ethernet. Arcnet used a bus, but a token was passed along to each node and that node sent a packet only when it got the token. Whenever a new node came online the rest of the nodes would reconfigure and start the token over again. Collisions only occured when new nodes came on line the first time. IIRC it was Datapoint that first came up with Arcnet for their multi-user terminals. For a small number of static nodes the Arcnet throughput was actually quite good. Whereas ethernet is probabilistic for access, token passing is deterministic in that you are guaranteed a slice of bandwidth to every node. At a minimum you always had roughly 1/n of available bandwidth, where n was the number of nodes. Arcnet degraded in a linear fashion as nodes were added, but Ethernet degradation can approach geometric rates, as anyone knows when they see that collision light on the UTP hub go on solid. Also, Arcnet was 2.5Mbps. The original version used coax (not Ethernet thinwire! I think it was RG-92?) into hubs, later versions went to twisted pair. There was a 20Mbps follow-up from SMC (the primary chip maker for Arcnet) but it never caught on. Arcnet was a common networking standard for S-100 systems in the early to mid 80s, using MP/M and CP/NET from Digital Research. I think it was one of the first network transports supported by NetWare too. Jack Peacock

28 years

Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sam, you have to understand that if people don't feel comfortable asking questions on this list, even if they are irrelevant, they won't ask anything at all. You can't intimidate people if you want them to deal with you. In response to the original question: the isolinear chips are supposed to be holographic memory, which is in the works, and will allow terabytes of storage in several cubic centimeters, just like on the Enterprise. The nanites have an advanced version of modern nanomachinery. I would think that .5 micron hard drives are easier in this case. As for the ancient storage, I think that was magnetic. Interestingly enough, the classic trek had almost nothing in the way of computers, though there were plenty of them out there in the '60s >"REALLY". > >Thanks in advance. > >On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Hotze wrote: > >> Sorry, but this has been bugging me for quite some time. In Star Trek, they >> use "Isolinear" based memory circuts to store information in both the short >> and long term. So, from the looks of it, it's some kind of crystal, and can >> transmit it's data very quickly, and with no moving parts, so I'm guessing >> that it's similiar to today's RAM. Now, for the hard part: It can hold >> entire encyclopedia's in tiny amounts. In one episiode, they had nanites, >> little robot-bugs that could hold "gigabytes of information," and were >> microscopic. Furthermore, in some episodes, they find Chodak and T'Kon >> ruins, between 900,000 to 700,000 years old, with half or more of the data >> intact. >> Was crystaline storage ever attempted like this? Is it possible? >> Feasable? >> Thanks, >> >> Tim D. Hotze >> >> > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. > > Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 04/08/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?)

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe Tim's question was relevant. I read about optical storage using holography well over ten years ago but am unaware of its present use or status. This may not strictly qualify as classic computer subject matter but shouldn't we give a 12 year-old a break? Tim should be commended and encouraged for his interest in computer science and preservation, not hen-pecked over the fact that he related his question to a Star Trak episode. Keep asking questions Tim and don't let anybody intimidate you into silence. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?) Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 4/10/98 2:09 PM Star Trek is a television show. Do you really think that this question is appropriate? Two words... alt.startrek van >Sorry, but this has been bugging me for quite some time. In Star Trek, they >use "Isolinear" based memory circuts to store information in both the short >and long term. So, from the looks of it, it's some kind of crystal, and can >transmit it's data very quickly, and with no moving parts, so I'm guessing >that it's similiar to today's RAM. Now, for the hard part: It can hold >entire encyclopedia's in tiny amounts. In one episiode, they had nanites, >little robot-bugs that could hold "gigabytes of information," and were >microscopic. Furthermore, in some episodes, they find Chodak and T'Kon >ruins, between 900,000 to 700,000 years old, with half or more of the data >intact. > Was crystaline storage ever attempted like this? Is it possible? >Feasable? > Thanks, > >Tim D. Hotze ......................................................................... @ / / Shift Lever (D)/ \===================================== @ ================ Floor Plan === BNL |- - -Phase Shifter- - - -|--/ Get Wired! - ------------]=[]@----------------------@ 415.276.4979 Trans- ] ]](A) Toll Free 1.888.208.6655 (B) ? (C) Rear Connection mission ]]]]]]]]]]]]Driveshaft]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ] ]] 71 ------------] web superstation of the stars... van burnham http://www.futuraworld.com production manager wired 520 third street fourth floor san francisco ca 94107 united states ......................................................................... for immediate emergency wireless access send email to van-page(a)wired.com van(a)wired.com van(a)futuraworld.com pingpong(a)spy.net vanburnham(a)aol.com ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Apr10.140909.1767.36428; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:09:15 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA18051; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:03:44 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA63546 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:03:35 -0700 Received: from wired.com (get.wired.com [204.62.131.5]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id LAA04060 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:03:34 -0700 Received: from [206.221.206.170] (wrs.wired.com [206.221.206.170]) by wired.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15918 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:01:03 -0700 Message-Id: <v03110700b1540e831ecb(a)[206.221.206.170]> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:14:44 -0700 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Van Burnham <van(a)wired.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?) In-Reply-To: <001001bd64a0$934d3ee0$3167bcc1@hotze> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: van(a)pophost.wired.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years

eBay = Mkt Value? (was: my objection to recent postings)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:07 AM 4/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >I agree. Ebay is definitely NOT indicative of "actual market value". Its >all based on scarcity, and scarcity varies from area to area around the >country and the world. Someone thinking they got a great deal on a >complete C64 system for $25 got ripped off since I can pick up something >similar locally for less than $10. Well, "actual market value" is exactly what eBay is -- the value of an object (i.e., what it sells for) on the open market. Ya can't get much more open than eBay, what with it's internationalism. As to whether prices on eBay represent what experienced, knowledgeable collectors will pay, that's another story. And lastly, yes, values are determined in large part by scarcity. Here in San Francisco, a postcard with a picture of the Golden Gate Bridge will cost me 25 cents (or so). In New York, I'd probably have to pay a bit more for one, and still more if I were in, say, Ayr, Scotland. Here in the SF area, a lot of computers are readily available, and affordable. This is a very technically aware locale, and a lot of the people here were early-adopters of computer technology (unlike, say, parts of Pennsylvania that are primarily Amish.) So they'll be cheaper here than elsewhere. So people in PA can either pay higher prices there, buy over the net (including eBay), or hop a plane to SF. As a side note, it always makes me laugh when at antique shows when I see some item for sale for $15 that I know can be bought at Disneyland, brand new, for $3. But people pay those prices, because not everyone goes to DLand every year. >Ugh! Don't do that! Sell it to someone who would appreciate and >actually use it (like me! :) That's a tough call. Do you sell it to someone who will use it and appreciate it for what you paid for it, or do you put it on eBay so you can pay the property taxes? I haven't got an answer to that one yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years

E & L MMD1 8080 trainer board

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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28 years

Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, it really depends. After asking my self, I said "No." Then, after contemplating it, and asking again, I have to say "Yes." First of all, it deals with the preservation of data, something that collecters must be knowledgable about, especially if they have origional/interesting software. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?) > >This is a Star Trek question and has absolutely no place on this >discussion. > >When posting a message to ClassicCmp, ask yourself this question: "Does >this REALLY have ANYTHING to do with old computers?" After you answer it >to yourself, ask it again, but this time put extra emphasis on the word >"REALLY". > >Thanks in advance. > >On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Hotze wrote: > >> Sorry, but this has been bugging me for quite some time. In Star Trek, they >> use "Isolinear" based memory circuts to store information in both the short >> and long term. So, from the looks of it, it's some kind of crystal, and can >> transmit it's data very quickly, and with no moving parts, so I'm guessing >> that it's similiar to today's RAM. Now, for the hard part: It can hold >> entire encyclopedia's in tiny amounts. In one episiode, they had nanites, >> little robot-bugs that could hold "gigabytes of information," and were >> microscopic. Furthermore, in some episodes, they find Chodak and T'Kon >> ruins, between 900,000 to 700,000 years old, with half or more of the data >> intact. >> Was crystaline storage ever attempted like this? Is it possible? >> Feasable? >> Thanks, >> >> Tim D. Hotze >> >> > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. > > Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 04/08/98] >

28 years

TRS-80 Model 4 (128k) for sale

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Amen, Sam. Enrico, please use discretion in these issues. Personal issues should stay between individuals, not aired on the list. Tell us about your classic computer collection. I'm eager to hear about it. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: TRS-80 Model 4 (128k) for sale Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 4/8/98 3:22 PM A real gentle-man! enrico Sam Ismail wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Enrico Tedeschi wrote: > > > You are demontrating AGAIN that you don't care about other people feelings and > > problems. You are NOT in charge of policing this mailgroup. If you don't want > > to see this sort messages anymore help me to fix my problem. > > I'm not going to help you do shit. This is YOUR problem. This is NOT the > problem of classiccmp! Therefore, DON'T POST YOUR PROBLEMS ON CLASSICCMP! > I don't post how much of an ass I think you are, so don't post your > personal crap either! And you'd better bet that when I do take over the > list, I'll make sure YOU are on the list of moderated members since you > have proven time and time again that you can't police yourself. So show > some restraint and respect and KEEP YOUR GARBAGE IN PRIVATE E-MAIL PLEASE! > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! -- ======================================================== Enrico Tedeschi, 54 Easthill Drive, Brighton BN41 2FD, UK Tel/fax(+01273) 701650 (24 hours) and 0498 692465 (mobile) please visit my website at: <http://www.brighton-uk.com> ======================================================== ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Apr08.152223.1767.36036; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:22:26 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA28636; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:09:33 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA24588 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:09:23 -0700 Received: from andromeda.ndirect.co.uk (andromeda.ndirect.co.uk [194.74.254.17]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA27472 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:09:21 -0700 Received: from ndirect.co.uk (th-pm01-62.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.126]) by andromeda.ndirect.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA31705 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:09:19 +0100 Message-Id: <352BD991.37692194(a)ndirect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:10:01 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Enrico Tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: TRS-80 Model 4 (128k) for sale References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980407113208.29252B-100000@shell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years

TI 99/4a

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am pretty sure that the TI itself works. I plugged in a commodore 5-pin monitor cable. The video pinouts differ, I guess, but the audio worked. It beeped when I turned it on, and booped whenever I pressed a key. I checked the modulator box cable, and it's fine. Also, the box is getting power. Still, the little led on it does not light up, and ISDN (It Still Does Nothing). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

Is this possible? (Storage) (Off-topic?)

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

> >This is a Star Trek question and has absolutely no place on this >discussion. > <snip> > >On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Hotze wrote: <snip> >> microscopic. Furthermore, in some episodes, they find Chodak and T'Kon >> ruins, between 900,000 to 700,000 years old, with half or more of the data >> intact. I think 700,000 years old qualifies as being over the ten year mark :-) -- Kirk

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Re.: How about a weekly FS/T list? (was Sale postings

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I love the ads, anytime. I don't care how classic equipment is offered up just as long as it is being made available. I don't have any problem with commercialism either. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re.: How about a weekly FS/T list? (was Sale postings to Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 4/10/98 12:50 PM On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Richard A. Cini wrote: > How about making Friday the "classifieds section" day? You know, like > the local newspaper. Although classifieds appear in newspspers daily, it > seems that one day has many more than the others. > > This would reduce the daily FS/T traffic, but still enable people to > trade stuff. I see ClassicCmp as a great resource, not only for information > not available elsewhere, but also for physical equipment and software which > is obviously no longer made or supported by the manufacturer. Even if everyone could agree on this it would last for about 1 week and then go back to status quo. I really don't mind the ads. They are not excessive, they are reaching a good market where there is a win-win (the seller gets some money and space back and the buyer gets first crack at cool stuff), and they are more on topic than the drivel that has been plaguing us for the last four weeks or so. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't blame me...I voted for Satan. Coming in September...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 04/08/98] ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Apr10.125015.1767.36399; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:50:16 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id JAA12125; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:37 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id JAA63678 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:28 -0700 Received: from shell.wco.com (root(a)shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id JAA26839 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:26 -0700 Received: from shell (dastar@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id JAA14087 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980410094013.8124C-100000@shell> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Re.: How about a weekly FS/T list? (was Sale postings to Classiccmp) In-Reply-To: <005501bd6480$ddf42b40$6521a7cd@bothell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: dastar@shell X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Thoughts about a Classiccmp private newsgroup

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Scanning today''s messages gave me an idea. I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I don't remember it being discussed. It's sometimes hard to follow the list with all of the quoted-replies; maybe tracking deep-threaded messages is just not my strong suit :-) Anyway, as part of my Microsoft beta testing, I belong to a small group of "elite" testers. Called ClubWin!, we have a private administrative newsgroup that requires a login name and password. Having a ClassicCmp newsgroup would provide a threaded conversation capability. We could also hang an e-mail gateway off of the news server to provide e-mail messages for those who can't or want to use a newsgroup. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years

worldwide shipping of junk

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote: >Very true. You euro-doods could make a killing on us stupid Americans if >you started auctioning off easy to find Sinclairs, Orics and Thompsons on >Ebay. The only obstacle to overcome would be shipping, but I'm sure a >little creative direct advertising towards us could overcome that concern. So what does it cost to send a standard shipping container from London to San Francisco on a slow boat? With a container a month, you could stock an esoteric used computer store, bi-directionally. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years

Burroughs B27?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Ten-plus years ago, I was given an opportunity to scrap a Burroughs machine of some kind. I don't think it was still running, and it was the size of a small refrigerator. I pulled the interesting chips and disassembled the open-air hard disk unit. It was covered in a clear sheet plastic frame, sealed with snaps or Velcro, and the 14" platters spun in the air like a turntable. I still have the two platters on the wall. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years

eBay transactions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-04-10 02:14:22 EDT, you write: << At 06:29 PM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> That might depend on whether you're selling or buying, Kai :-). A *very* valid comment. >> More seriously, has anyone here actually conducted a transaction >> through Ebay? Did the highest bidder actually make payment in >> a timely manner, if you were selling? >> just had a friend of mine email me to tell me he saw a mac128 go for $330 on ebay. idiots overbid themselves. ebay is a good indicator of old computer prices? i think not!

28 years

TRS-80 Model 4 (128k) for sale

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-04-08 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :You might if you had been had by someone in this list. If the man :is a con, I think I am doing a public service here trying to stop :him to strike again with somebody else. the email below was private. why did you post a public response? that is a breach of netiquette - which makes you look every bit as clueless as cord intimated. we'll ring you to complain in future. everyone else: apologies, but we felt we should point this out. :enrico :lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote: :> On 1998-04-07 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard@zetnet. :>co.uk :Warning! You might get something different from what :>you have :bidded for. I did. :> keep your bitching private. nobody else gives a toss. :> -- :> Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you :>falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing :within her... :-- :======================================================== :Enrico Tedeschi, 54 Easthill Drive, Brighton BN41 2FD, UK :Tel/fax(+01273) 701650 (24 hours) and 0498 692465 (mobile) :please visit my website at: <http://www.brighton-uk.com> :======================================================== -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

28 years

eBay transactions

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:29 PM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> That might depend on whether you're selling or buying, Kai :-). A *very* valid comment. >> More seriously, has anyone here actually conducted a transaction >> through Ebay? Did the highest bidder actually make payment in >> a timely manner, if you were selling? I have both bought and sold (mostly bought, though) through eBay. Mostly Classic Computers, Donald Duck stuff, and Miniature Land Rovers. Had one problem once, when the guy ignored me for a while, then eventually claimed to have previously sold the stuff I bid on. Never had a problem with a payment. Generally, stuff is well packaged, though one time, I bought a TI99/4A in the original box, and it arrived -- in the original box, covered with duct tape. I was heartbroken. I explained to the guy that I had been interested in the box as much as the computer, and he offered to refund my money. (I didn't take him up on the offer, just wanted to prevent it from happening to someone else.) For comparison, I once ordered a Donald Duck nutcracker (new) from the Disney catalog. The 6"x6"x12" nutcracker box came in a 2'x1'x3' box, with a few sheets of tissue paper, neatly folded on the bottom of the box. I was *not* happy. The feedback system on ebay seems to work pretty well, I think. I feel pretty comfortable buying and selling there. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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