In a message dated 98-04-19 17:15:38 EDT, you write:
<< There were a bunch of "IBM RT" units. These were enormous PS/2 like
things. What were they? >>
model numbers were 6150 and 6151. i have the desktop form factor. basically it
was a risc6000 ancestor. isa bus, but had proprietary adaptor cards with 16meg
max. ran AIX and something else. mine powers up, but i do not have the special
keyboard that's required to use it. i believe they announced in 1990 so not
quite classic yet. i can probably dig up some info at work about them if
someone REALLY wants me to.
david
> I just got myself a Diamond TrackStar Apple//-in-a-PC board. What
little
>info that I could find says that you can hook an Apple floppy drive to it.
>However, in two places, the info says that it takes a standard Apple
floppy,
>and then it says a Unidrive.
If you only have a Uni-Drive and you don't have the adapter, you can open it
up, disconnect the current cable and plug in the old cable. That's what I
did. The 19 pin cable plugs into a 20 adapter inside the drive.
-- Kirk
Just put this together.
To talk to the RL02, I had to UNLoad the DY: driveer and LOAd teh DL: driver.
This means that RL support isn't in the montior. Since I'm switching boot
devices to one not in the monitor, I have to re-SYSGEN RSX-11M.
But, I don't have Sysgen or HRC, so I'm screwed, right?
That would be why BOO looped forever on both systems, the monitor was told to
boot a device it had no support for.
Does this sound correct?
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Hi,
I found an Epson HC-41 today, it was aparently used for a machine tool
programmer.
Does anyone have a keyboard overlay that I could copy to replace the custom
overlay that they have on this machine?
Also i got the Floppy drive with it with instructions in Japanese. Can
anyone give some info on it?
I am also missing both power supplies (yes they work from the battery) what
are the reqirements?
As a general request, any info on that machine is welcome.
I also got another Fairchild channel F brand new and apparently never used.
And a Laser 128 with power supply and external disk drive. Oh and a copy of
the Haddock.
Francois
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From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
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Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:18 PM
Subject: Strange 11/83 behaviour...
>This is bizarre...
>This RSX was origionally in an 11/73. I had it in an 11/83.
>BOO was running REAL slow. I interrupted it after a 5-hour run.
>I swapped the KDJ11-B with an 11-A, reloaded, and now BOO
>is running at a faster pace, it hits the drive every 10 seconds.
>I just now started it.
>Maybe there's a bug in RSX, or my 83 is acting bizarre?
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>
Now this is maybe a book that's worth $153.
Electronic Analog Computers (Second Edition, Hardcover)
Subtitle: D-c Analog Computers
Granino A. Korn, Ph.D. and Theresa M. Korn, M.S.
McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1956 (Original copyright 1952)
The lower-case 'c' is actually how its used in the book and the subtitle.
Here's the first couple paragraphs from the preface of the book:
D-c analog computers are relatively simple electronic devices now
commonly in use to solve a variety of problems in applied mathematics and
engineering design. The application of such computers to the simulation
of modern automatic control systems has been particularly successful; but
some acquaintance with d-c analog techniques can benefit almost any
engineer or research worker, no matter what his special field may be. A
d-c analog representation of a problem does not merely furnish needed
numerical data. It often seves as a working model which helps to close
the gap between physical intuition and exact analysis.
The continuing remarkable progress in the related fields of electronic
computers, instruments, and controls has led naturally to the preparation
of a new, completely revised edition of _Electronic Analog Computers_.
The greater part of the book has been entirely rewritten. We have
attempted to carry out our original purposes, namely
1. To acquaint research and development workers with tried methods for
the application of d-c analog computers as computing aids and
simulators, and with the possibilities and limitations of such
equipment;
2. To present a comprehensive body of up-to-date design information
on computer components and systems.
We believe that such information is of particlar interest to scientists
and engineers engaged in the development of instruments and industrial
control devices.
***
There are also pictures and descriptions in here of computers that I have
never even heard of, such as the Curtiss-Wright analog computer (CURTIAC);
the Berkeley EASE (Electronic Analog and Simulation Equipment) computer
made by the Berkeley Division of Beckman Instruments, Inc.; the Electronic
Associates Precision Analog Computing Equipment (PACE); the Goodyear
Electronic Differential Analyzer (GEDA) made by Goodyear Aircraft
Corporation; and the Reeves Electronic Analog Computer (REAC) made by
Reeves Instrument Corporation, New York City.
Also:
[A picture of a Donner Scientific analog computer]
A complete table-top d-c analog computer priced just below $1,000. The
unit comprises ten operational amplifiers, power supplies, all necessary
controls, and a removable problem board. Multipliers and function
generators are available as accessories (Donner Scientific Co.).
[A picture of a Heath analog computer]
This complete 15-amplifier machine is available as a do-it-yourself kit
for less than $1,000. The amplifier tubes are top-mounted to minimize
heating of components. The 30 coefficient-setting potentiometers are set
by comparison with a built-in precision voltage divider which is also
available for gain measurements (Heath Co.).
Wow.
The book is in excellent shape, save for the damn price written in grease
pencil on the inside cover thanks to the stupid thrift store pricer.
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Can anybody tell me what an IBM Executary is? To describe it briefly (I
didn't have much time to look at it), it is a small box, blue on the bottom
with a dial on the front, a few knobs/switches here and there, and a very
large hole in the side. Connected to it is a pedal of sorts. Push on the
right and it clicks, same with the left. Can anybody tell me what it is? Is
it worth $6?
Thanks,
Tom
< I just got myself a Diamond TrackStar Apple//-in-a-PC board. What lit
<info that I could find says that you can hook an Apple floppy drive to it
<However, in two places, the info says that it takes a standard Apple flop
<and then it says a Unidrive.
<
< Has anyone used this board? Which drive would it use? I know that it
<a 20-pin header on the board for the floppy. Any clues??
I can use any one of them. I don't have the software for mine but the
system I took it out of had it hooked to the 360k and another pigtail
going out of the box and tageed "to unidrive ".
I'd try it if I had software.
Allison
It bangs the disks every 10 minutes or so... What is it doing
that takes a 3 hour runtime?
I can see a sysgen or reload taking that long, but a bootsector write?
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In a message dated 98-04-19 15:18:07 EDT, you write:
<<
Has anyone used this board? Which drive would it use? I know that it has
a 20-pin header on the board for the floppy. Any clues??
>>
since it has the 20pin header, it will use the old full height disk ][
drives. adaptors have been made to let the later unidisk drives with the
db15<?> connector work with disk ][ type connectors but i do not have
specifics.
david
(This message is being cross-posted to the Classic Computers and Classic
Macs mailing lists. I apologize in advance to anyone seeing more than
one copy.)
This past weekend I acquired an Aaps MicroTV card, without any software
or manuals.
>
>If we're talking about hundreds or more, you want an automated solution.
>There are several companies which have sold modernish punched card
>readers in the past couple of years with RS-232 interfaces on them;
>the ones I see most often are Mountain Computer units which are about
>the size of a 2-slice toaster and can stack a couple of hundred cards in
>the input hopper. There's both a mark-sense and a punched-card version
>of this unit.
>
>Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
So, pray tell... do you know what the difference is between the Mark Sense
and Punch Card versions of the Mountain Computer reader? (and how to tell
which is which?)
I have one of these units in my collection, and even though it happily
accepts the commands which should read punched cards, it always feeds one
card and then returns an error. So, I would start to think that it is the
mark sense version, but have never really found any identifiers on it.
-jim
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>For one thing, why not build a reader? Ought to be a fun weekend
>project ;) The other question is whether the Scantron units use
>optics or electric sensors for checking multiple choice tests.
I'm not sure about this, but electronic makes a LOT more sense. That's why
whenevery ou fill in one of those bubble sheets, they make sure that you use
a "Number 2 pencil." Because it has carbon in it. With an optical solution,
anything from crayon to pen to marker should work, if it were black.
Just my 0.02...
Tim D. Hotze
Moving RSX from that RDwhatever that's making bearing noises to a RL02.
Copied all the data files and such to the RL, but the RL isn't bootable.
When I try booting it types ** THIS IS NOT A HARDWAREBOOTABLE VOLUME **
or something along those lines.
This is RSX11-M v4.1
It's a severely butchered configuration made for a graphics workstation
by Genigraphics, that I hope to try making useful.
If the command required doesn't exist, (Likely!) I cam reload RT-11
and kermit the RL up to a PC, put a bootblock on the front, download
it again, and go. Does that sound do-able?
-------
For one thing, why not build a reader? Ought to be a fun weekend
project ;) The other question is whether the Scantron units use
optics or electric sensors for checking multiple choice tests.
>The mark sense readers depend on a series of "timing marks" printed on
the
>(lower?) edge of the card in order to work and I don't think they're
very
>good at sensing anything but very dark marks (remember the "special"
(#1
>lead) pencils you had to use when you filled out those cards in grade
school?)
>
>Visit Doug Jones' web site and drop him an email. He's very interested
in
>punched cards and knows quite a bit about readers, old and new. And
while
>you're at it, invite him to subscribe to this list. ;)
>
>http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/index.html
>
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Thursday was a pretty good day as I found the folowing: a real nice book
called Microprocessors and Microcomputers Manufacturer's Literature by the
learning tree, great information on microprocesors, microcomputers,
peripherals, logic analyzers, logic chips, probes, breadboard systems;
another by Horowitz and Hill The Art of Electronics; HP9121 model D; IBM
7207-001 tape unit; IBM 7210-001 CD-rom; Apollo monitor 17"; IBM 3363
cd-rom unit; VT240 unit; Honeywelll Bull computer; HP9816 monitor/terminal;
Mac 128k mouse;3M D-2500 character generator; Unite digital test board; NEC
PC-8201A computer; and other items not in the 10 year rule.
Anyone have a manual laying around for a Commode-Ore C128D? This is the
128 model that has the separate keyboard and built in drive and power
supply, in a PC style case. If anyone has one we can work out a good
price or swap something for it. I need it for my own machine that I
recently acquired and the regular 128 manual just doesn't get it.
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Hello, all:
I just got myself a Diamond TrackStar Apple//-in-a-PC board. What little
info that I could find says that you can hook an Apple floppy drive to it.
However, in two places, the info says that it takes a standard Apple floppy,
and then it says a Unidrive.
Has anyone used this board? Which drive would it use? I know that it has
a 20-pin header on the board for the floppy. Any clues??
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
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Turned up one of these on Friday. It has a 21 meg HD, an 8088, and is
about like having a flat bed scanner on your lap!
No power supply and battery pack (10 size "D" nicads) shot, but got it
working off my bench power supply. It appears to be working normally and I
think I can rig up a power supply from a Sony version for a portable VTR.
Is anyone familiar with this beast? It must be one of the earliest laptops.
I also got three C-64's in the '128 style cases, but didn't get into them
yet.
Regards
Charlie Fox
Sorry about not checking the reply-to address in the message to Bill.
I'm getting brain dead anymore and will move it to private email from
now on.
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[spam frittered away]
this is odd - we got exactly the same message chez communa. we're just
wondering which address list they used, for sam's name to be on it as
well as ours...
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you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
Someone I know wants to identify an interesting Intel board they own.
Its about 18" wide by 12" high. It has the following markings on it:
Intel
System Interface and Control Module
MCB8-10
It has some odd chips, a 3-prong oval power socket and a S-100 like
connector.
Does anyone know what this is or for?
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Yes, indeed, Warez people are the 3rd generation hackers. For the most
part, they're not to good at all. They pretty much just take software and
pirate it (hence the name "warez" pronounced "wares") They can hack NT
(like someone can't!) And for the most part, think that UNIX is dead. They
couldn't tell you the differance between a modem and a sound card, except
"one has the phone jack".
They don't do good, or even do anything that no one's done before. They
just go in, say that they've "hacked" a website, and brag about it in a chat
room for the next 50 hours. They're mostly teens, and techies-gone-bad.
Tim D. Hotze
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From: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 7:20 PM
Subject: Warez?? Was: Re: James Willings still up?
>
>At 21:01 16-04-98 -0700, <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
>>At 11:50 PM 4/15/98 +0000, you wrote:
>>>For nearly a week, have anyone seen James Willings's postings or in
>>>private emails between anyone?
>>
>>No, contrary to popular belief (and random hopes) I have not fallen off
the
>>edge of the world...
>>
>>My local ISP got hit with a large scale 'warez' attack a couple of days
ago
>>and is still recovering... And of course that puts me just that much
>>further behind in my mail... (and other things...)
>>
> --snip --
>
>Forgive me for not knowing what _might_ be common knowledge amongst some
>folks here, but what is this "warez" thing?? I guess I don't hang around in
>any online areas, etc. which would have clued me in. Just a brief
>explaination, please, or even a pointer to an info source. No need to take
>up much bandwidth on this.
>
>Judging from Jim's statement, these are possibly individuals who have taken
>the good old, original 'hacker' expression and turned it into something
>truely bad? Glad you're still around, Jim.
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I got a July '87 copy of a computer catalog, and it had a product
which I found pretty interesting. This was a small modem-sized box
that went between the keyboard and the computer. It was a hardware
spell-checker, powered off the keyboard, costing $20. It was supposed
to beep upon detecting a mistake. Seems like a good idea. Anyone
seen something like it?
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