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by lgroebe＠insidermarketing.com

>At 03:28 AM 5/13/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote (more or less): > >Perhaps Someone should make a web site with reports of classic >system sale prices, in order to balance the tales of $500 PETs >with $5 PETs. Like anything else, so many other factors must >be considered: rarity, condition, history, etc. > >- John Actually, David Greelish (of "historically brewed" and the "classic computing society") is attempting just such an online price guide. His efforts so far can be seen on: http://members.aol.com/mtpro/

28 years, 1 month

Another EBay absurdity

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm >On Tue, 12 May 1998, The Adept wrote: > >> I almost choked on my Leinenkugel's when I saw the current bid on the >> following: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13839197 >> >> I'll save the surprise for you who want to check it out (it's a >> Commodore Educator 64) > >Holy Crap! I should just sell my damn collection at the prices some of >these goons are paying. I could pay off all my bills AND put in that pool >I've always wanted, plus put a down payment on the Viper. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: >dastar(a)siconic.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 05/11/98] > yeah well a fool is born every 1 second dont they say? or was it a fool and thier money soon part......... man I could get that Cadilliac Ive always wanted if i sold my collection......

28 years, 1 month

ASR33

by wanderer＠bos.nl

Hi All, I recently acquired an ASR33 and I'm in need of some assitance in order to be able to let it work against my Unix box. At the back of the powersupply there is a terminal strip with a number of lugs. Question is, which lugs to use, the unit is an UCC-6 (for private wire setups). Other problem is which voltage to use for the current loop to rs232, I have a converter, and uses 5 volt maximum, and do not know if that will work. If not, does someone then have a proper schematic? Thanks, Ed

28 years, 1 month

Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Well aside from the fact that we're _all_ students whether or not >we're matriculated somewhere -- Tim Hotze is around here someplace >and I'm pretty sure he's not officially in college yet. Far from it, unfortunaetly. BTW, just for other students, or ex-students on the list: Yesterday I had my science fair project: Linux Vs. Windows. Now, I had two or three problems: 1) Couldn't seem to "dumb it down" enough to get the judges to understand. 2) Presentation wasn't really "flashy", more like a scientific paper. 3) The paper was too "dumbed down" to actually say what I wanted it to say. I couldn't do what I wanted to so that it would make sense to the judges. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 1 month

Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I am. In 7th grade. Still think that jr. high school's a COMPLETE waste of time, especially for geeks (or people like me, who like to consider themselves geeks, but probably couldn't make it...), at our school. No UNIX, no programming, not even a 32 bit OS!!! (And that's even counting Windows!!!!) All I really can do is do what I want in Computers... (but with the software that they've got available, the most I can do is type a word doc. instead of write an e-mail... TONS of freedom there...) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS >[Any students?] > >I'm a high school student... >-------

28 years, 1 month

Teaching Students Computers... (Semi-OT)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:06 PM 5/13/98 +0300, you wrote: >to learn anything in perticular, except for stuff pertaining to... anyway, I >think that here's a good time to give students a choice to know what they're >going to do. I, for instance, want to specilize in Computers. Spending >time learning "Pre-Algebra" (Just spent 2 class periods making a protractor >accurate to 90' from a piece of paper.) isn't helpful, at least not that Okay, so maybe you're a wiz in math/science, but you've got two misspellings in there (pArticular and speciAlize) so perhaps you should be concentrating on grammar/literature/etc? 8^) >>High school, take the first two to the next levels and add skills needed >>to find paying work. > >I say that some students should be given the oppertunity to do this in Jr. >High. Not everyone, but some people. After all, by this time, you know if >you're not going to be a chemist, programmer, or anything. Well, in Jr. High I was all set to be a private dick... er, detective. Early high school, I was ready to head for Harvard Law School. Late high school, the plan was U-Ill/Urbana-Champaign for under Grad Elect/Elect Engineering, then MIT for grad school. During college (SF City College) I was going to join the FBI. After dropping out of college, I wanted to be a synthesist, or maybe an inventor. Now, I want to be a politician. So when is it you know what you want to be when you grow up? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

Interesting c64 usage

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:41 AM 5/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did you ask if he added one too many zeros? Obviously the guy is heavy into >hallucenogenic drugs...The Commie itself is worth *maybe* $40 and the mixer is >worth maybe another $200 if your lucky. I have seen and done some things with >those obscure little breadboxes though that most people would never think >possible. Ummm... I don't dispute the commie value (perhaps a tad high?) but a 24-track (or was it 32?) 8-bus mixer with automation for $200? Tell me where -- I'll buy it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

EduComp Rant (OT, Was: RETROCOMPUTING LIQUIDATION)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:43 PM 5/12/98 PDT, you wrote: >When was this thing with "computer literacy in schools is everything" >started? I like computers in schools, but I am tired of looking at >proposed plans to replace 5 MORE classrooms with computer labs. Is >this a classic thing? Would you in general say that computers have >affected education (keeping the discussion OnT, of course). Well, I'm shooting from the hip here, but I do have some experience in this area. The idea of "computer labs" comes from IMO two things: 1) The idea of teaching "computers" as a separate subject and 2) the inability for schools to afford computers for every classroom. Looking at these in turn, "computers" as a subject in itself *may* have been a valid concept *at one time* (i.e., with some of the machines we deal with) but now is no longer an issue. Kids today have very little problem with the concepts involved in running a program (it's the same as sticking in a nintendo cartridge) or using a mouse (aka joystick) etc. Certainly, programming is a separate issue, but not everyone needs to learn C or Java or even Basic, just as not everyone needs to learn how to rebuild a transmission or tune a piano. As for schools not being able to afford computers, well heck, they can't even afford pencils and paper. I kid you not. Every fall, I get woken up at 7am to be first in line at Target when the Crayons/folders/pencil boxes/pencils/scissors/etc. go on sale (every week, it seems -- <groan>) so that my girlfriend can buy the supplies she wants for her classroom on sale *with her own money*. So, yes, most schools can't afford computers, in general, let alone enough for each classroom. So, what to do? Should they even bother? I think, based on Rachel's experiences, that the answer is a resounding *YES*, teachers should scrounge and steal and swindle as many computers as they can for their schools/classrooms. But not to teach "computers". They should be a tool, just like any other, to teach reading, math, science, comprehension, etc. And so I'll go against the grain and say it's more important in the lower grades (K-3 or so) to have computers available than in the upper grades. Upper grades, junior and high school especially, can do just as well with older machines as they can with the newer ones. PC-Write under DOS is an excellent solution for writing term papers or book reports, and will teach the concepts of word processing just as well as the latest version of MSWord. Qbasic, Cobol, and C/C++ for DOS are all just as good as their GUI counterparts for learning how to write a program; Once you understand the idea, switching to another language is a piece of cake. I write all my web pages in PC-Write (and I'm damn proud of some of them) and often use Arachne (DOS browser) to check them. Non-readers, however, can make better use of newer technology. Programs like the Playroom, Millie's Math House, and such really get the kids interested and having a good time; they don't realize (or care) that they're actually learning to read or count or what-have-you. This is the real value of computers in education. Mind you, older computers can be used here too, (the original version of the Playroom ran fine on a Mac Plus), but if you've got an old XT and a 486, give the upper grades the XT and the wee ones the 486. As to the craze for pushing computer literacy at the expense of general literacy, I think that older folks (30+) look at technology and how it was new to them, and how it is becoming so pervasive in our society, and they're scared. Scared that their kids will be as unprepared as they were. (What they don't understand, of course, is that that very pervasiveness will make kids take the technology in stride: My niece could work the VCR (play, ffwd, rwd, eject) at 1.5years; she's a wiz on the computer) Add to that the media and the politicians who love to play on the public's fears and work them into a frenzy to serve their own purposes and the corporate world who just want to sell more *stuff*... Computers have affected education, both for good and bad (like most anything.) They allow teachers to come up with fun worksheets that teach, quickly and easily; they can help kids that couldn't learn to read finally do it; they allow kids to work independantly at their own speed, allowing the teacher to work with the kids that need the most help. But, they also cause distractions, can be abused as babysitters by lesser teachers, and can displace funding and space for other, more needed supplies and equipment. Overall, the benefits of computers in the schools (as elsewhere, IMO) *FAR* outweigh the problems. Now the problem with older computers in the classrooms is not that they're not useful, it's that they're not adequately supported for the majority of non-computer-literate teachers. (Teachers know how to teach; they don't know how to do a low-level format on a CP/M hard drive.) So, all you folks on this list, who know what you're doing, call up your local schools and see if they have any [older] computers that they need help putting to use. > honest, the computer department here at the school is rather > pathetic, two Apple //e's and an XT that was donated that I > can't get to work. Apple //e's are fine for teaching BASIC programming and Word processing, and I know there are educational programs available for the younger kids, too. (Right Sam?) That XT should be repairable, and would make a great text-editing station or could be put to use in math classes running Lotus 1-2-3 or Excel. But, we've got a teacher who can't put them to use, but they don't have the skills/knowledge to do so. So, are there any collectors in/around Humble TX that can help out? P.S., I have my girlfriend working on a list of all the EduSoftware she has and what it's good at (and how good it is) to be put on a web page, so that someone who gets a computer for their classroom can see what software works and will run. (All her computers are Mac IIci or less (68030 or lower) (though we've got one IIci with an '040 board in it to go in, as soon as I get a chance to clean up the hard drive and such.)) >>> prejudiced on the side of reading over computers -- I only have >>> fifty-odd computers, I've got [half bought new] several thousand >>> books, mostly the science fiction I've loved since before the Well, I've only got about a 1000 books, and about 100 computers, but there's a lot more in the house (my folks had a whole wall of bookshelves put in when they bought the house). I too would say that if you can't read/write (communicate)/count, a computer's not going to do you much good in the long run -- it can't do that for you. (In fact, it will get you to do more of the above.) Anyway, sorry for the ultra-long rant... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years, 1 month

RSX-11 Disk Images anyone?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, > The relevant documentation is "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual", > AA-L619A-TK, and "Storage System Diagnostics And Utility Protocol", > AA-L620A-TK, which in turn are parts of the UDA50 Programmer's > Documentation Kit (QP-905-GZ). My copy is version 1.2, April 1982. anyone has this documents here, and don't need it anymore ? thanks, emanuel

28 years, 1 month

PLease ID CD-ROM unit

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, the other chips are: Hitachi HD74LS32P 367AP 240P 164P MB74LS00 138 TI J549X SN74LS541N The card has a weird logo: A large S, progressively narrowing toward the top. Could someone tell me about the actual drive? >They're probably TTL buffers/address decoding logic. Can you post the >numbers (which probably start 74LS) and we'll try to identify them and >guess likely functions. > >My guess is that this is some kind of custom parallel interface. Put the >8255 into Mode 2 and you've got a bidirectional data path on port A and >control lines on the other 2 ports. That's the most likely setup >(although it might be something totally different, like using one port >for input and another for output). > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

PS/2 30 architecture

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

I hope that this is marginally on topic - the technology is over 10 years old and it is about using an old machine even if the OS is brand new. I have a PS/2 Model 30 and am taking part in testing the ELKS port of Linux to the XT architecture. On the PS/2 ELKS cannot see any keystrokes, having booted OK. Does anyone (Tony?) have a techref for this machine and if so what is the difference between this and a 'normal' XT. I am thinking that perhaps the keyboard buffer may be at a different place in memory thus DOS, using the BIOS, can see it but we can't by looking directly at the hardware. TIA Pete

28 years, 1 month

FW: DECStation 2100 help needed

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found this on Usenet. Can anyone help out? If so, please respond directly to the author of the message. Thanks. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 13 May 98 15:22:55 CST, in comp.unix.ultrix you wrote: >>From: Mike.Hoff(a)CRHA-Health.Ab.Ca (Mike Hoff) >>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix >>Subject: Old DECstation >>Date: Wed, 13 May 98 15:22:55 CST >>Organization: Unorganized. >>Lines: 10 >>Distribution: world >>Message-ID: <This.644(a)Somewhere.COM> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: veena.cc.uregina.ca >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!(a)somewhere.com >> >> >>Sorry to bother you, but I'm not sure who to talk to (and Digital wasn't >>much help). I have an old Decstation 2100 dug out of the basement - is >>this worth anything? Any idea where this equipment could be taken for >>repairs and OS help? Any information you can give me would be >>appreciated. >> >>Please reply to Mike.Hoff(a)CRHA-Health.Ab.Ca directly as I do not have >>Usenet access from my office. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 1 month

OS/2 Warp 3 Help... (Yes, off topic...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK... remember that Arthur J. Carp fellow... well, I got a copy of Warp 3... 3.5" disks. (It's been a while...) Anyway, this is semi-on topic, as OS/2's a pretty good story, and older versions are classic. So here's the deal. I can get all the way to Disk 6, then I re-insert the Install diskette. Then, it asks me to reboot. I reboot, and it's not there. I also have Windows 95 on this system. So how do I: Get past that 2) Get to see the drive's contents (it's not the same C as FAT 32 sees it...) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 1 month

Everything about Apple ///

by wp4wssam＠coqui.net

If you need anything or need any information about Apple /// (SARA) the best place is Washington Apple Pi. They are a group dedicated to all apple and mac hardware and software. Mr. Dave Ottalini is the historian and librarian for the apple ///. To get help from him or any other person ap WAP, you need to join the club.

28 years, 1 month

terminal keyboards needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I just shipped the VT 100 and VT 220 that I had without keyboards. I gave them away for the shipping and a few people in the list had told me that they have extra keyboards for sale/trade/free (I don't remember) but the newe owner in New Hamster is looking for a keyboard for each one and if those people that have them could write me back (direct email) I can relay the message to him. Thanks guys and gals. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 1 month

Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I have such a beast, it is a Model 1083 (I believe). Unfortunately I don't have any other information on it. It's rather heavy for such a slim luggable. Perhaps it is better described as a lugtop? Laptop on steroids? Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 5/13/98 5:33 PM Anyone heard of such a beast. It's a rather large "laptop" with a scrunched lc d display. Has two half height 5 1/4 floppies. From the keyboard it looks like a pc clone, but it also has a db25 terminal out port on the back. TIA George ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998May13.173305.1767.41575; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:33:05 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA09395; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:30:45 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA57722 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:01 -0700 Received: from smtp.kurico.com (smtp.kurico.com [38.247.97.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id OAA00449 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:23:59 -0700 Received: from icurrie (unverified [209.36.177.59]) by smtp.kurico.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id <B0000139126(a)smtp.kurico.com>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:59:56 -0500 Message-Id: <B0000139126(a)smtp.kurico.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "George Currie" <g(a)kurico.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

28 years, 1 month

HP85A Stuff

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Greg Troutman <mor(a)crl.com> wrote: > I spent a little more time on this guy and have finally gotten the tape > drive to work--sorta. The rubbery roller in the center to the left of > the head is seriously corroded away (as if some anti-rubber solvent or > high heat came in contact with it) which makes it not work too well. The rubbery bits used on these drives seem to be going gooey, at least out here in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's also happening to the similar drives used in HP264x terminals. (Gotta get around to fixing that one on my desk....) > Now, questions: I have a ROM Drawer filled with six option ROMS like > Assembler, Input/Output, Mass Storage, etc. First, how do I implement > the physical link to the I/O devices? You need an I/O card of the appropriate type to plug into another one of those slots on back. HP-IB is fairly common and is what you would use to hook up disk drives. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 1 month

question - how to test DMA on peecees right way?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

If the floppy works, the DMA controller works. If you really want to exercise it, install a Sound Blaster. Kai -----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca [mailto:jpero@mail.cgo.wave.ca] Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 12:07 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: question - how to test DMA on peecees right way? Assuming I have basic stuff, working parts except for motherboard under test. How can I assure that chipset that contains DMA controllers is working as intended? software I have is very limited and only tests very basic functions like checkit, sysinfo etc. Remember I only have limited RAM (1mb) to play with. Thanks Jason D. email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D.

28 years, 1 month

Visual Computer Inc. Commuter US

by g＠kurico.com

Anyone heard of such a beast. It's a rather large "laptop" with a scrunched lcd display. Has two half height 5 1/4 floppies. From the keyboard it looks like a pc clone, but it also has a db25 terminal out port on the back. TIA George

28 years, 1 month

More Kaypro problems

by homeline＠ezl.com

Hello, My my name is Cliff Boyer and I too have a Kaypro 10 problem. I think mine is in the power supply. I plug it in and turn it on and nothing happens. No lights, beeps, chirps, drives whirling. Nothing! I checked fuse on the back panel and it's OK. Is there a fuse on the P/S board located on the inside of the back panel? The machine was given to me, but I have no disks or manuals. However it is in excellent shape. I hope the hard drive is OK. If I cant get this machine going, I hope to get Anthony Clifton's QX-10 so I can see what a CP/M computer is like! Anyone have any thoughts? Cliff P.S. Hey Grant, If mine is not fixable, I may have a HD for you!

28 years, 1 month

FW: VAX 6560 available at Rice University.

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Anyone interested, please contact Mr. Lin directly. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 13 May 1998 13:15:47 -0500, in comp.os.vms you wrote: >>From: Chihfang Lin <chihfang(a)pop.ruf.rice.edu> >>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >>Subject: VAX 6560 for Sale >>Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:15:47 -0500 >>Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas >>Lines: 15 >>Message-ID: <3559E353.EC8AE818(a)pop.ruf.rice.edu> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: admsys-21.rice.edu >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) >>CC: chihfang(a)rice.edu, prscott(a)rice.edu >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.burgoyne.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!rice!not-for-mail >> >>Greetings: >> >>My department has put a surplus VAX 6560 / w SF200 for sale on Rice's >>Greetsheet. The individual bid period is from May 18 to noon of May 22. >>If you are interested, please check "http://dacnet.rice.edu/~gs/" or >>call me for details. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Chihfang Lin >>Sr. Systems Administrator >>Administrative Systems, Rice University >>(713) 285-5967 chihfang(a)rice.edu >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin {at} j<p>s d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

28 years, 1 month

Hello - I'm a new reader / STUDENTS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Hmmmm....7th grade. I got my Atari 800xl in seventh grade. Not a single I built my own computer in 7th grade. Of corse, that was a PC... >computer in my school, and that was even in a rather large city >(Pasadena). We found a lot of other things to occupy us, though, like >finding creative ways to get over (and under) the 8 foot chain-link fence >around the school and over to taco bell or the Pac Man arcade. I spent all Early 80's? My art teacher says that lots of high school students were depressed.... >of my "home" time drinking Tang, programming my Ataris, and listening to >Black Sabbath. Funny thing is I got all A's and B's in my classes, with an Same here. >attendance ratio of about 2/3 and a homework ratio of about 1/4. Does that I wish I could do that!!!! I spend around 1/3-1/6 of my time working, the rest talking. I wish that I could do that little homework!!! Honestly, homework's the worst thing. If it were just "go to school, come home live your life" it would be so cool!!! >say anything about the quality of California's public education? I can >only imagine that it's even better now.... Yep. Now, the thing is that with my science fair project, none of the judges understood what I was talking about (Linux Vs. Windows), so a rather stupid project (bacteria growing in hot water) won. Anyone else have problems like this in Science Fair(s)??? It was way to technical, even though it was scaled down A LOT. I couldn't say what I wanted to say so that these people could still understand it... >Aaron Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 1 month

HP85A Stuff

by mor＠crl.com

I spent a little more time on this guy and have finally gotten the tape drive to work--sorta. The rubbery roller in the center to the left of the head is seriously corroded away (as if some anti-rubber solvent or high heat came in contact with it) which makes it not work too well. Cleaning it up as best I could, and then doing multiple retries, getting frequent READ or SEARCH errors, have allowed me to store and retrieve some simple programs. I guess I'll be opening this up and trying to replace that. Now, questions: I have a ROM Drawer filled with six option ROMS like Assembler, Input/Output, Mass Storage, etc. First, how do I implement the physical link to the I/O devices? There are zero physical port connections on this box...(?) Second, how do I access the ROM code from the BASIC prompt? I'm sure there's a lot of tricky stuff involved, making the manuals indispensible, but since I don't have them, any quick tips would be appreciated. -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

28 years, 1 month

Stuff to trade for PDP!

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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28 years, 1 month

Teaching Students Computers... (Semi-OT)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Elementary school, how to learn. (language, reading, arithmetic) Yes, but computers are an important part of that. They need to know how to use them at an early age; even if it's not in school. >Intermeadiate school, how to find answers to questions and communicate >them. I say this goes to Elementary. In Jr. High, where I am now, most people are either lazy, "special-need" or both. On top of that, they've got SEVERE hormonal problems... it's important to know that you can't count on anyone to learn anything in perticular, except for stuff pertaining to... anyway, I think that here's a good time to give students a choice to know what they're going to do. I, for instance, want to specilize in Computers. Spending time learning "Pre-Algebra" (Just spent 2 class periods making a protractor accurate to 90' from a piece of paper.) isn't helpful, at least not that much, espcecially when I could cover the entire book in a week or two. (But my math teacher wants it "BIGGER, BETTER, NICER, NEATER." And I was done in 5 mins. out of 100!!!!) >High school, take the first two to the next levels and add skills needed >to find paying work. I say that some students should be given the oppertunity to do this in Jr. High. Not everyone, but some people. After all, by this time, you know if you're not going to be a chemist, programmer, or anything. >Computers are a part of life and M$ stuff is unfortunatly reality we live >with every day. The unfortunate part is I meet kids at the grocer that >play doom, surf the net and can't count change. Ease of use. It happens. ;-) But seriously, the math program here doesn't EVER cover basic math, just expects you to learn it. Now, I was fortunate, and learned how to do that before moving here. >Allison -Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 1 month

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