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by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote: > It's simple: > > DB-25 male: serial port > > DB-25 female: parallel port Except...on a peculiar ISA dual-port serial card that HP made for the early HP Vectras. One D?-9S like a PC/AT serial port, one DB-25S. To be fair, HP put a plastic tag out one side of the slot to remind you that this was a serial port. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 11 months

Cassette formats (was: Prices to pay for old computers...)

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Tony Duell wrote: ] According to the specs in the TechRef, any standard audio cassette ] recorder would work. There's even a link to set the PC's output voltage ] to suit either microphone or aux (line level) inputs. ] ] The pinout of the PC cassette connector is the same as that on a TRS-80, ] and the same cable works. My guess is this is not a coincidence - IBM ] probably intended PC owners to go to the local Tandy/Radio Shack and buy a ] cassette recorder and cable. When you say TRS-80, does that by any chance include TRS-80 Color Computers? Did they also adopt the tape format, in addition to the connector pinout? At one time or another, I was struck by the similarity of the CoCo's cassette format and the now-ancient Kansas City Standard. Were they actually identical? Did RS implement the KCS for the CoCo, or was it just something kinda similar? And if TRS-80-->CoCo and CoCo-->KCS, does that mean that maybe IBM just adopted KCS instead of making up their own format? (A shocking idea, I admit...) This is not entirely a moot point, because I have a CoCo handy, and an old KCS tape that I got almost by accident. I've been tempted to just slap it in and see if the CoCo can read it, but from previous discussions on the life cycle of mag tapes, I gather I might get only one chance to read the data. I don't want to waste that one chance until I am sure I have something that can actually read KCS. Eventually, I suppose I'll just write my own loader and be done with it. But it would be awfully nice if it was already done for me. Cheers, Bill.

27 years, 11 months

Prices to pay for old computers...

by KFergason＠aol.com

Chinon made (makes?) a mechanism, but I wasn't aware it made an actual Commodore drive. Blue Chip, MSD, CompuThink (Pet days), hmm Fsomething, the Accelerator? All those ad's coming back. CMD, obviously. Any more? Kelly In a message dated 5/23/98 3:46:24 PM Central Daylight Time, cgregory(a)lrbcg.com writes: > There were several manufacturers who made drives for the Commodore line of > computers. I have two or three examples around here someplace. Chinon is a > name that comes to mind, but I know there were several more as well. > <snip> > >Apple ][. And as far as aftermarket goes, I can't think of even one drive > >that was made to work on any Commodore that wasn't manufactured by > >Commodore, but I myself have at least five examples of disk drives made > >for the Apple by random no name manufacturers. > > >

27 years, 11 months

Apple ][ stuff

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 22, 22:50, Sam Ismail wrote: > Apple ][: Integer BASIC in ROM; normally had "manual start" ROMs > (required the user to boot the machine by punching in an > address and the GO command in the monitor) > Apple ][+: AppleSoft BASIC in ROM; autostart ROMs > Apple //e: Lowercase, 64K, 80 columns The ][+ also has different refresh circuitry for the DRAMs, and doesn't need the configuration blocks found in ]['s. The //e has a more comprehensive keyboard than the ][+ and can generate all the ASCII characters from the keyboard. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 11 months

Prices to pay for old computers...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 22, 19:52, Russ/Alice Blakeman wrote: > My understanding of Commode-Ore is that there is a chip within the cassette > interface that allows the pooter to talk to the cassette drive. Not quite; the C2N decks have TTL-level in/out and a motor control line, all on a funny connector. The other three connections are +5V, ground, and "switch", which is a contact that senses when the PLAY key is pressed. They're controlled (at least in a PET) by part of a standard 6520 PIA (Commodore's copy of a 6820). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 11 months

Mac monitor--can it be used for other computers?

by transit＠primenet.com

I have one of the older Mac Monitors, the AppleColor High Resolution, model MO401. It came out around the time the Mac II did (ca. 1987?) and uses a monitor cable with a 15-pin plug. Can this monitor be adapted for use with a. Apple II b. IBM PC's or clones c. Amiga 1000 d. C-64? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles P. Hobbs __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ transit(a)primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 11 months

cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> writes: > The problem is you're comparing an OS that will forever remain trapped in > the academic realm to an operating system that is transitioning over into > the commercial market. You've got companies making commercial use of > Linux and selling it to mainstream customers. This trend will continue to > grow. *chuckle* Sam's been reading the propaganda again.... You've got companies making commercial use of FreeBSD and selling it to mainstream customers too. And you know what? They aren't bound by the GNU Public License to release (in some cases significantly modified) source to anyone under any conditions if they don't want to. Well, except for those parts of the typical stock FreeBSD system that are encumbered by the GPL. You might note that the FreeBSD folks have been careful to keep those separate in their source tree, and that it's possible to have a running OS without those parts: it's not much of a desktop user or development system but it'll get your packets where they need to go. Now that's something you can do with FreeBSD that you can't do with Linux -- derive your own work without having to make the source accessible outside your organization. Believe it or not, some commmercial concerns think that this will better protect their intellectual property, and in spite of what Stallman and some other folks might like you to believe that is sometimes the right way to go about it. ObClassic: this model's been around a while, it's how a significant portion of Wollongong's networking products worked. Though in those days you needed a Unix source license from Western Electric so you could get your hands on the BSD 4.[23] sources from which you could derive your own work, which in Wollongong's case was porting to other Unixes (and sometimes non-Unix OSs, like MPE). -Frank McConnell

27 years, 11 months

Copies of Win286 and Win386

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have copies of Windows 286 and/or Windows 386 that I could get?? Just fleshing-out my MS operating systems collection. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking Collector of classic computers <<<========== Reply Separator ==========>>>

27 years, 11 months

Converting 220 to 110

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<1547 is stamped on the transformer. ?. < <I'd like to make this run off 110 without having to modify the actual uni <itself. Assuming the power drain isn't in the kilowatt range JDR sells 110/220 transformers in the under $100 range. They sell them for to run 110 stuff on 220 but they can be sued the other way. Do use a plug on that 220 unit that is unique so it doesn't get plugged into something other than what you want. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Prices to pay for old computers...

by engine＠chac.org

At 16:31 5/22/98 +0100, you wrote: >back on topic though, what cassette unit could be connected up to the >original PC machines? Was it a custom IBM unit only (similar to the way >the C64's only accept Commodore tape decks), or could anything be used >if a cable was made up? There was a discussion on here a while back about whether IBM had ever made cassette decks to attach to that port, and IIRC, the outcome was inconclusive. If such a thing existed, certainly there were never many of them. In general, the favorite commodity cassette recorder for the purpose was one of the long Panasonics with the carrying handle. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

27 years, 11 months

Apple ][ stuff

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Alright!!!! Let's get this thing started!!!! Seriously, I've got a ][+, with 64K and a Mountain Computers DA/AD card. Anyone have info on this??? Also, I'm getting a cool card that takes a snapshot of RAM and records it on a floppy, as well as one that keeps the RAM on during a power outage. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze ><< What I'd really like is to start a good long discussion on Apple use and > lore. If somebody has the patience to start this with me, I'd appreciate > it. I've got other stuff I want to know about but this'll do for now. (: >> > >great, lets get started. i first played with the apple //e in high skool and >subsequently failed computer science but its got me to where i am now. i have >every apple // model except for an original ][, //c+ and gs and i have plenty >of hardware and software to keep me using these computers for many many years. >at work i was playing around with MAME and some old computer emulators and >even found beyond castle wolfenstien which played JUST LIKE the apple version; >even the voices! i played plenty of that during classtime. i always wanted an >apple for myself when i was younger, and finally i can afford to get one; a >//e enhanced with duodisk drive and colour monitor; woo hoo! > >david

27 years, 11 months

Apple ][ stuff

by red＠bears.org

Hi. I found the following Apple ][ bits today and being the Apple neophyte that I am, I could use some information on them. Orange Micro Grappler +. How is this better than the Orange Micro Printer Interface that I got with my ][plus? I assume the quad DIP switch at the back end is to set communications parameters. Looking at the traces I'm guessing it's a serial interface. Mega-Bit RAM card. Looks pretty boring actually, but I don't see any obvious way to cable it to the motherboard RAM in the standard fashion. 16 chips, labelled 'C1516', 'C1515', or 'C1517'. No other markings on the chips. I suppose it's just standard 16k RAMs? The most interesting: a "Mockingboard Sound/Speech 1'. Looks remarkably like a DAC/speech synth. I'm guessing even stereo? It's got two DACs and a pair of LM386 chips. It's got three potentiometers across the top and a 4 pin BERG header which I'm thinking is the output stage. I want to play with this. How? Last but not least is the Apple ][ motherboard. I'm wondering which ][ it came from. I compared it to my ][plus and it looks remarkably similar with the following differences: Mystery board: Has 'APPLE II MAIN LOGIC BD RFI' silkscreened underneath the copyright and part number (820-0044-D), one bank of 300 ns Apple branded 4116 RAMs, and Apple/Microsoft ROMs. At the back of the board by the mounting holes it is marked '606-X548'. Apple ][plus: Has nothing silkscreened beneath the copyright and part number (820-0044-01 or -0I), three banks of 200 ns Apple badged 416C RAMs, and fairly generic looking ROMs that have only Apple copyrights on them. What are the differences between the Apple ][, ][plus, and //e? What I'd really like is to start a good long discussion on Apple use and lore. If somebody has the patience to start this with me, I'd appreciate it. I've got other stuff I want to know about but this'll do for now. (: Thanks. ok r.

27 years, 11 months

osborne?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i decided to make a thrift store run and found two things of interest; an apple hd20 external scsi drive unit with the top off. had a regular old seagate st225N in it which surprised me. also found an osborne, complete with keyboard and dual floppies. i have seen one osborne before, but this one was all grey and had the word OSBORNE molded into the case (or was it the keyboard?) it also had a plastic trap door for the power cable and had a cheap plastic feel to it, unlike the earlier one i saw last year. can anyone place the time period it was manufactured? it was $10, so i might go back and get it after the holiday. david

27 years, 11 months

Mac POrtable system

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

About a year ago, I got a Mac Portable, which I really like. Back then, unfortunately, I had the tendency to upgrade everything to the most recent version, so I installed System 7.0.1 on it. Since then, I've wanted to play with an earlier OS to save RAM. I will eventually download OS 6.0.5, but for now, I just picked up WordPerfect 1.0.2, which has OS 4.2 on the disks. FInally, my question: when I try to boot off the disk, it freezes during the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen. It shows up fine when I boot of the hard drive, and Norton Disk Doctor doesn't show any problems. Ideas? In general, what is the earliest version the portable can run? By the way, it looks like I have all the needed files on the disk. PS, what should I pay for an ImageWriter II? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Pericom MX7200... (again)

by afritz＠iname.com

[I asked about this before (a few months ago) but I got no response -- maybe one of the new people can tell me...] Can someone tell me what a Pericom MX7200 is? It was a freebie (a appearnlty rightly so). It's got a genuine MC68000P12 in it. When I plug the video in and turn it on, it just sits at a blank screen with a flashing cursor in the corner. Sometimes it will come on with some sort of debugging screen (as in something's broken), but it will quickly flash off before I can read it fully. I'm guessing it's a broken trace on the PCB, as it's quite old and brittle. I've gathered that it's somesort of graphics workstation but I know nothing more. I've heard you used them to do graphics visualizations on a graphics-less VAX -- any truth to this? Thanks, Adam ---------- Adam Fritzler afritz(a)iname.com afritz(a)delphid.ml.org http://delphid.ml.org/~afritz/ ----------

27 years, 11 months

cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:23 PM 5/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >Sure the DOS license was a big initial push, but to say it was solely >responsible for the success of Microsoft is like saying the Model T is >responsible for Ford having the best selling vehicle in America today. True! You'd be leaving out the amazing stupidity of the american public. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Apple ][ stuff

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-05-22 23:07:27 EDT, you write: << What I'd really like is to start a good long discussion on Apple use and lore. If somebody has the patience to start this with me, I'd appreciate it. I've got other stuff I want to know about but this'll do for now. (: >> great, lets get started. i first played with the apple //e in high skool and subsequently failed computer science but its got me to where i am now. i have every apple // model except for an original ][, //c+ and gs and i have plenty of hardware and software to keep me using these computers for many many years. at work i was playing around with MAME and some old computer emulators and even found beyond castle wolfenstien which played JUST LIKE the apple version; even the voices! i played plenty of that during classtime. i always wanted an apple for myself when i was younger, and finally i can afford to get one; a //e enhanced with duodisk drive and colour monitor; woo hoo! david

27 years, 11 months

Help aligning Kaypro disk drives?

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

A while ago I got a Kaypro 4'84 system for free and have been trying to bring it back to a state of stability and usefulness. The system as a whole was in good shape; my problems have been with the disk drives. I had hoped it was "only" old, worn-out disks that were causing the problem (and the disks are worn-out, as tests with 22DISK on a school PC show) but the drives themselves seem to be flaky. (Either that, or the new Verbatim disks I bought are substandard.) My worst fear is that the drives are corrupting the disks somehow. (Can this happen even when no writing is involved?) I have two spare drives; one is evidently SSDD and the other is DSDD -- I have not tested them. Only the DSDD drive is really suitable. These are, IIRC, 96-tpi MFM drives. They are made by TEC. (Not the same as TEAC, I suppose.) I would just put one in, except that I'm not sure if I need to do anything to align them. Even if I did need to, I undoubtedly don't have the equipment. Is alignment really important? What about on new drives? Could cleanliness be a problem? (I cleaned the heads with a head-cleaning kit a while ago; I put the dust cover on the computer for some time but stopped; however, the keyboard latches in front of the drives anyway. I keep the doors closed and the shipping inserts in the drives; I definitely have been careless about the order of inserting/removing the inserts and opening/closing the drives and turning on/off the computer.) It's very unsettling to think of my software eroding as I watch. I haven't found replacements for some of it. I've tried using 22DISK; there are two problems with this: 1) It doesn't like my formats very much, and 2) I've been using PC's in the computer lab and I don't trust those drives any more than mine! I may haul an ex-roommate's Korean '386 box out of the closet if I get desperate. The Apple ][ disk drives I've seen have had flawless performance; even PC 5.25" drives seem to do very well. I'm getting very tired of hearing my machine go "grkgrkgrkgrk ... grkgrkgrkgrk ... grkgrkgrkgrk ..." (It's one of those sounds that is instantly annoying and recognizable by pure instinct as a Very Bad Sound. I wonder what a list of those sounds would look like?) Thanks, -- Derek

27 years, 11 months

[Rare systems] & Garry Kildor

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Greg Troutman <greg(a)husic.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, 22 May 1998 4:19 Subject: Re: [Rare systems] & Garry Kildor > >-----Original Message----- >From: Desie Hay <desieh(a)southcom.com.au> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 1:09 AM >Subject: Re: [Rare systems] & Garry Kildor > > >>yes well, I can't spell, and I think that Garry Kildor could have been the >>bill gates of today if he had played his cards right > >I'm sure a lot of people wish Bill Gates were in Gary's shoes (so to speak). > > well yes I suppose........but didnt Garry get killed in a bar fight a few years ago??? No old Billy Gates has brought some good into this world............ but 99.9999% of what he has done is just to steal and steal..........

27 years, 11 months

cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Sure the DOS license was a big initial push, but to say it was solely responsible for the success of Microsoft is like saying the Model T is responsible for Ford having the best selling vehicle in America today. Microsoft was a development products company, not an OS company. When I got here in 1988, I remember seeing a revenue pie chart at the company meeting. We were at around 60-70% revenue from development products like C++ & FORTRAN, with a big slice from apps like Word & Multiplan, and DOS revenue was a tiny slice. In a decade where everything had to be written directly to the hardware to get any speed out of the 8088, you can hardly say that the DOS license had much to do with the success of the dev products. Our first, all time most successful Windows app, Excel, that nuked the Lotus 1-2-3 monopoly through ease of use and customer demand alone, was _ported >from the Macintosh_. How exactly could we have leveraged our ownership of Windows to make Excel successful when it wasn't even written for Windows? If IBM endorsing & bundling an OS makes it a monopoly, why is OS/2 dead? etc. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza [mailto:yowza@yowza.com] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:37 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ? On Thu, 21 May 1998, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > We weren't, and aren't, Orwellian characters, > just folks trying to write software that people want to buy. Gee, I guess > it worked! So sue us! I think one reason Microsoft is being sued is that Microsoft software does not compete on the merits of the software alone. Windows 3.0 was the first almost barely usable/tolerable version of Windows. I'm not a Mac fan, but if you look at something like the Amiga and AmigaOS from 1985, it was such a clearly better operating system and windowing system PC environment compared to Microsoft's offering that if Microsoft had to compete on technical merit alone, they would have been out of business weeks after the Amiga's introduction. To suggest that Microsoft's success is due to writing software that people *want* to buy is disingenuous. Microsoft's success is due solely to the monopoly IBM gave them in 1982. To their credit, Microsoft is only about five years behind the curve. If IBM had kept the monopoly to themselves, we'd all be closer to ten years behind the curve. -- Doug

27 years, 11 months

System/34 parts available

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

If only he had some 20-amp 220-v current stored in a superconductor... *sigh* can't always get what you want. > >Since there was talk here in the recent past of reviving one of these. I >found the following on comp.sys.ibm.sys3x.misc: > >> I have about 40 logic cards, all the power supplies and an 8 inch floppy >> drive from a >> System/34. All are for sale for best offer. Could supply list of numbers >> if interested. >> >> Norm Helmkay helmkay(a)ibm.net > >Don't reply to me, I'm just an innocent bystander. > >-- >David Wollmann >dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 04:16 PM 5/21/98 PDT, you wrote: >article says the Apple got their idea from xerox in 1979, and MS >got their ideas from Apple, and now they have copied the Mac w/Win98 I quote from "The Mac Bathroom Reader" by Owen W. Linzmayer (a non-technical history of the Mac): "In return, Apple was allowed two afternoon visits to the PARC labs. When Jobs first visited with Atkinson in November 1979, he saw with his own eyes what all the fuss was about. He was so excited that he returned in December..." Actually, Jobs would have known all about it earlier if he had paid any attention to Jef Raskin, who had been trying to get him to visit PARC much sooner. >The article in the link argues that Win98 is much worse than the mac, >which I agree with. I am wondering about its statement that Apple >knew all about GUI before 1979 with their Lisa. AFAIK, the lisa >is ~1982... I dunno about Win98 vs. the Mac; I haven't seen either Win98 or MacOS 8, but yes, the way I see it, Apple stole from Xerox, Microsoft stole from Apple, Apple sued lots of people and won, Xerox Sued Apple and lost, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Prices to pay for old computers...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-05-22 11:32:19 EDT, you write: << back on topic though, what cassette unit could be connected up to the original PC machines? Was it a custom IBM unit only (similar to the way the C64's only accept Commodore tape decks), or could anything be used if a cable was made up? >> i asked an old ibmer at work, and he said there indeed was a fru number for the cassette cable AND a tape deck! i'll have to remind him to look and see what the numbers are. david

27 years, 11 months

cat Xerox | Apple | Microsoft ?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

The Ford analogy would be correct only if the purchase of the car allow you on certain key roads and forced you to use only one brad of gas with a funny nozzle. You could not buy the car without either. <Microsoft's API monopoly allowed them to make mistakes and inferior <products and not only survice, but flourish. This was an unprecedented <advantage over ever other competitor, and continues to be so to this day This was one of MS marketing ploys. The other was licensing. <If Microsoft had to compete on an even playing field, I think they would <have been a good match for Lotus, and they probably would have put Word <Perfect to bed as well. But Borland? Geoworks? Novel? Netscape? Sun <Next? Apple? Amiga? I think we would all have much better software and <operating environments today if Microsoft had to compete soley on <technical merit. Early on MS was recognized as a language house (MSbasic, Basic compiler, fortran, cobal...) They were good at that but applications was clearly the market though getting tools out there was the first step. <Too little, too late. IBM, famous for tying customers to proprietary <systems, gave away both the PC architecure and the O/S platform. Later on at first IBM PCs were seen as typical IBM and proprietary. This gave rise to dos on s100 and machines like the z100. <they own the browser market, they own the "API" (HTML, HTTP, etc.), and <eventually they'll own the internet. I, for one, don't like that idea. They also hold a peice of the internet backbone. <Of course, I put all of my disposable income into Microsoft stock, becaus <the strategy is *so* damn good. I love them as an investment, but I don' <like the way they grab power, and most of the time, I don't like what the <do with the power once they have it. Reminds me of the oil industry in the early 1900s. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Prices to pay for old computers...

by Marty＠itgonline.com

What exactly is the distinction between the "Series 0" and "Series 1?" To me a no floppy 5150 16KB-64KB would be missing a floppy controller and floppy drives. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Prices to pay for old computers... Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 5/22/98 11:10 AM At 17:22 5/22/98 +1000, Desie wrote: >yes I am talking about the original 16kb-64kb model............ >I wounder how many IBM PCs are still out there with only cassette input and >16KB of RAM............ >no floppy drives............. >oh well Of the 16K-64K mb's there are reputed to have been two distinct series, called "Series 0" and "Series 1." A 16K, Series 0, no-floppy IBM PC is alleged to have sold at auction in the UK for over UKP 10,000 ....and my intuition (but no more than that) detects an institutional buyer. (And not auction like eBay -- auction like Christie's.) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998May22.111047.1767.43068; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:10:47 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA19723; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:08:27 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA60688 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:07:25 -0700 Received: from relay.batnet.com (relay1.batnet.com [204.188.144.18]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id IAA29232 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:07:21 -0700 Received: from goldrush by relay.batnet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01218; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:06:27 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980522080349.00f4dc70(a)pop.batnet.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:03:49 -0700 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Prices to pay for old computers... In-Reply-To: <004501bd8552$61b05340$0f01a8c0@mr-ibm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: chac(a)pop.batnet.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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