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by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> If we have to be subjected to ads, I actually prefer them to pop up so I >> can hit the X and make them go away while reading the non-advertising >> content of a page. A page with ads integrated is more annoying to me. Better still were the 'early' days when all the advertising came from 'known' advert sites - that way you could just put an entry in your hosts file (be it Unix, NT, Win95 or whatever) to redirect the 'known' sitename to your local machine. A 'broken link' image is far more pleasing than an advert IMHO :) (actually Altavista still lets you do this - most sites seem to store the adverts locally these days though and access them via CGI) anyway, enough of this off-topic stuff!! Jules >

27 years, 11 months

Looking for a machine

by DGoodwin＠smcvt.edu

I'm new to the list and wondered if anyone might have a line on a computer I'm looking for. I'd like to acquire a Netronics ELF II in workable condition, preferably with Tiny BASIC though I could live without that. Any leads or info most appreciated. Thanks! Dave Goodwin "In only two days, Systems & Networking Manager tomorrow will be yesterday..." Saint Michael's College Colchester, VT 05439 Homepage: http://personalweb.smcvt.edu/dgoodwin ICQ UIN: 337460 WWPager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/337460

27 years, 11 months

Lisa (was: Apple ][ video + headers!)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I'll pay $100 or less for someone to pop a cap up Mike's.... anyway, that was an unreaonable request. It seems that he has been asking in EVERY thread that has the word "Apple" "lisa" or a $ sign in it with the same message. He seems to be a new collector, and perhaps doesn't know that the Lisa is one of those systems that we *ALL* lust over, but very few of us actually get. Heck, I'm about ready to pay $35 for one of those annoying 8080-based Sharp "luggables." But it's got some software... on tape, no less. But... a guy is free to dream. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Lisa (was: Apple ][ video + headers!) >At 01:31 PM 6/3/98 PDT, you wrote: >>do any of you have a Lisa, if so, I'll pay $100 or less. > >Yah right. Me too. Heck, I'll pay $100 or less for an IMSAI, an Altair, a >Sol-20, and an Apple 1 too. Not that anyone will sell it to me. Of >course, I'm not an anonymous nobody popping up from nowhere to quote lotsa >headers from irrelevant messages...

27 years, 11 months

Boston Computer Museum

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<You should have seen the stuff when they were still in Marlboro, Ma at <the old DEC Large Computers Group (LCG) plant. I used to get there on the average once a week, never failed to visity and take in the hardware. What was not mentioned is even after the BCM move the TX2 and some of the other hardware stayed. Same for the mill, down near the atrium of ML03/1 1b (mill building 3 first floor, pole 1 (near main st)) was a memory setion of one of the MIT vacuum tube racks. I used to have a cube ml03/6 6a (affectionatly called rolling hills for the very unlevel floors). Several years there makes me an official millrat. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Lisa (was: Apple ][ video + headers!)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:31 PM 6/3/98 PDT, you wrote: >do any of you have a Lisa, if so, I'll pay $100 or less. Yah right. Me too. Heck, I'll pay $100 or less for an IMSAI, an Altair, a Sol-20, and an Apple 1 too. Not that anyone will sell it to me. Of course, I'm not an anonymous nobody popping up from nowhere to quote lotsa headers from irrelevant messages... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, 32-bit is more than Windows 95, which is only partially 32-bit, to <ensure Windows 3.1 compatibility. NT's full-blown 32-bit, so is Linux , <Solaris, HP-UX, SGI Irix... < Anyway, beats 16-bitters... ;-) < <BTW, to make this on topic, when did Macs make the transition to 32-bit, <were all 32 bit from day one? < Ciao, MAC was 32bit from DAY 1. The 68000 was internally 32bit and in ithe various incantations 8 bit or 16 bit bus...later ones were longer bus. Early parts only brought out the lower 24bits of address as /back then/ <pat pending> nobody thought 16mb wasn't enough. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Free TRS m100

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Came across this in the Tandy ng. Boston area heads-up. Reply to the poster not the postman. ciao larry From: "Peter Nelson" <pnelson(a)lagoon.ultranet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy Subject: Model 100 for FREE Date: 6 Jun 1998 15:18:50 GMT I'm moving and in cleaning out my house I came across a Model 100 along with case, AC adapter and manual that I bought many years ago. I have no use for this anymore, - my wife and I have graduated to bigger things: we're wiring up our new house for 100base-T; we maintain an NT network and have an IBM Thinkpad 760 for a laptop. But I did power up the Model 100 and it still seems to work. Does anyone know if someone might have a use for this little laptop? I'd hate to toss it in the trash if someone could still use it; on the other hand I'm very busy with my move so I don't want to have to work too hard to find a home for it. FWIW I live about 35 miles west of Boston, Massachusetts. ---peter lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-06-04 07:28:40 EDT, you write: << BTW, to make this on topic, when did Macs make the transition to 32-bit, or >>were all 32 bit from day one? >> they were all 32bit from the get-go, but i think the memory adressing was 24bit which means my IIcx can only goto 16meg maximum. there was also some issue about some applications wouldnt run because of the 24-32 bit discrepancy, and a program called mode32 was created to circumvent the issue. i got my copy of mode32 from connectix, who presumably made it. david

27 years, 11 months

Web pages

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> > [tripod stuff] >> >> Joe is right. I hate those guys who have that tripod there. Ditto >> to capesomething and one other like this. I find it pretty darn slow too - both from my work connection or from home (two different ISP's). Mind you, the entire internet seems to be grinding to a halt these days! ("Information Superhighway" indeed! :) >> >> pop! hit x icon, switch page, pop! hit the x icon again. augggh! heh heh, sounds familiar! It wouldn't be so bad if it only did it when you first hit the main page from another site or a new browser connection, but the fact that it's every time you go back to the main page is really annoying... tripod could be worse though; at least their pop-out windows don't contain a huge amount of graphics, so you can close the window almost as soon as it pops up. I came across one site once that used external windows that you couldn't close until you killed the browser session - very nice! :-( cheers Jules

27 years, 11 months

HP 64000 Logic Developement System manuals FS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have the following HP manuals for sale for best offer. I'm cleaning house and they're going out one way or the other. Joe

27 years, 11 months

How old am I?

by mor＠crl.com

Just a couple months younger than the PDP-1. -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I could be wrong, but I have a Mac IIFx, I belive it was the first 32bit clean Macintosh. -----Original Message----- From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 3:37 AM Subject: Re: Atari hard drives? >At 11:25 AM 04-06-98 +0300, Hotze wrote: > >>BTW, to make this on topic, when did Macs make the transition to 32-bit, or >>were all 32 bit from day one? > >I seem to recall being told that they were 32bit from the start hardware >wise but they were using the top 8bits of addresses? for something else, >making them really 24bit systems. This hurt Apple and their software >developers later on. I've got a set of the white Inside Mac at home, >perhaps I should look them up. > > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au > Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 >1999 > La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the > Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, 32-bit is more than Windows 95, which is only partially 32-bit, to ensure Windows 3.1 compatibility. NT's full-blown 32-bit, so is Linux , Solaris, HP-UX, SGI Irix... Anyway, beats 16-bitters... ;-) BTW, to make this on topic, when did Macs make the transition to 32-bit, or were all 32 bit from day one? Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Brett Wish <bwish(a)pcfa.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Atari hard drives? >> >Everyone on this list predates the PC, except for maybe that Seagraves >> >punk. >> >> And Tim Hotze, Max Eskin.... anybody else? > >Don't forget me! I'm from 1982, so does that make me IBM compatible? >32-bit isn't all that great, especially considering Win'95... ;-)

27 years, 11 months

Radius Monitor

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

One of my recent finds was a Radius Full Page monitor. I has a 9pin Dshell F video socket. It's like a 14 " set on it's side. Does anyone have any info on this beast ? Drivers, what it was used with, etc. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 11 months

Radius Monitor

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Lawrence Walker" <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> wrote: > One of my recent finds was a Radius Full Page monitor. I has a 9pin Dshell > F video socket. It's like a 14 " set on it's side. Does anyone have any info on > this beast ? Drivers, what it was used with, etc. Mac. I've seen one on what I think was a IIcx (maybe IIci), and another on on my mother's Mac Plus. The IIc[xi] interface is a NuBus card. The Plus interface is a daughterboard contrivance that sits atop the 68000 on the Plus mainboard (and hooks up with springs to a couple of other signals); it brings the video out through the security slot on the back of the Plus. I'd like to find a service manual for the monitor (and associated clues for my brain); Mom's is going kind of funny in one of those ways where the horizontal sync seems to change a bit after it warms up a while, and is sensitive to brightness. I opened it up over Christmas and adjusted it so it's usable (also rebuilt the PS in the Plus following directions in Larry Pina's book, so now the internal monitor works again) but expect that it's running on borrowed time. On the other hand, maybe it'd be easier to buy Mom a not-so-classic computer. She's decided that the Plus is slow. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 11 months

Final Xerox Star demo

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:00 PM 6/2/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>> Final Demo of the Xerox Star Workstation >>> 5:30 to 7:00pm >>> Wednesday June 17th >>> Auditorium Xerox PARC > >For those from the Bay Area who plan to attend: Anyone want to get together >for a beer afterwards? Might be fun to meet some of the disembodied voices >on the list. If I can get there, I'd love to... (But I usually leave work in Walnut Creek at around 7pm...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

HELP!!!!!!!

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:24 PM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >Someone needs to update the gateway where these people are getting on and >explain to them that however they are posting these messages, it will in >fact get distributed to the list. They then need to realize that they are >also being subscribed (I assume). I strongly suspect that these nitwi... er, uninformed guests are doing searches, finding one of the web pages where classiccmp is archived, and sending a reply to the (list) address. Not much one can do, I suppose. (Of course, everyone on the list replies, and the replies go to the list, not the poster.) I doubt very much that they're being subscribed to the list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Wierd RL02 backup method

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I want to backup the RL02 packs that I got this weekend, so I've put the RL02 controller in one of my VAXen, and attached a RL02 drive. I've copied two of them to the VAX and then transfered them to a Linux box. The first one booted just fine, and I'm honestly not sure about the second one. Now I'm wondering two things, first off, how do I go about restoring these if I manage to royally mess up things on one of the packs, and two, are the errors shown below normal? The bit about DLA0: not being completely copied worries me. Zane $ dismount dla0: $ show dev d Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt DLA0: Online 0 DUB1: Mounted 0 VAXVMSV055 23214 147 1 DUB2: Online 0 $ mount/for dla0: %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, RSX11M mounted on _DLA0: $ copy dla0: rsx11m.dsk/log %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, _DLA0:[].; (input) and SYS$SYSROOT:[000000]RSX11M.DSK;1 (outpu t) have incompatible attributes %COPY-E-READERR, error reading _DLA0:[].; -RMS-F-RER, file read error -SYSTEM-F-ILLBLKNUM, illegal logical block number %COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, _DLA0:[].; not completely copied $ $ show dev d Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt DLA0: Mounted alloc 0 RSX11M 0 1 1 foreign DUB1: Mounted 0 VAXVMSV055 2733 147 1 DUB2: Online 0 $ | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives? The actual Atari Answer :)

by thedm＠sunflower.com

-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Rutledge <ecloud(a)goodnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Atari hard drives? The actual Atari Answer :) >> Okay gang. I just can't take it, I gotta help this guy become an atarian. :) >> Okay, this is what; you need. You need an ATSCI to SCSI converter > >OK, but what to do with the system that takes an ST-506 interface drive? I just >need to know if I can substitute, say, an ST-251, and how to do the low-level >format (if necessary). To my knowledge all drives that are MFM are ST506 interface.As far as the lowleveling you just gonna have to play with it. Chances are the BIOS in that controller you have was only designed for one specifice drive. i'd just through one in and try to format it, and see what happens. Chances are it will just use it at the old settings, Better to through in a drive with paramaters larger than the old drive that way you won't damage it buy using it at a lower capapcity. If it were my machine, I'd go with the SCSI ICD controller personally. Best thing would be to try to dig up another drive like that one. But that drive he has should have come with a utility disk. If you go to irc.stelath.net and join #atari. They will probably know more than me, They are also very helpful. as far as the memory goes, I've never played with a 540, but I could still do everything I do now when my 1040 had only 1meg. If you search on Yahoo for ATARI a lot of european sites will come up. The Big on you want is the STING home page. STing is the Atari ST TCPIP stack. On that page are links to all the other software you will ever need. This computer is still very popular and supported in Europe. The 540 part concerns me though, but you might be able to get buy. Ethernet, at this point is still out of the question so far. There is supposedly an ATASCI ethernet adapter, but I have personally never seen one, and they run for more than 500.00 so Im told. Even if you only have 512K you can for sure use it for IRC, and Mail. I think you need a meg to do the browsing. But systems for tomorrow will know about what you can upgrade to what. They might even give you a credit for a trade. Like I said, I traded my extra 1040 for an ICD controller. There are also all kinds of MODS for these machines, they were popular enough, alot of folks have made home brew modifications for them that have been tested and work. If you go to the #atari channel on irc.stealth.net, tell them TheDM sent you and you will assuredly get some help, Look for SWE, or DRACO, or evl, or MRATARI. They are all very knowledgable and helped me alot. If you see Flinny, he wrote STik, the other TCPIP stack. if you see LB he wrote the ATari IRC client himself, another good resource. IM telling you, this machine is COOL! If you need more information, email me privately and I will give you my phone number and we can talk some. Where are you located anyways? > >> controller. The most common for the ST series is made by ICD. They can still >> be had from ICD but they are around 79.00. There is an Atari dealer, yes, >> dealer, amazing in my area. [KCMO] Their home page is >> www.systemsfortomorrow.com. They are a great bunch of guys and I got my ICD >> SCSI controller for them for a 1040 Swap. [I had two]. But he has a few used >> ones and can get you one if you want. This machine is very worth spending >> the money to get a HD for. > >What are your killer apps to make it worthwhile? > >I figured maybe I could at least use it for a web browser in my bedroom or >something, since it's mostly complete and working. So so far it looks like >I need this special hard drive adapter. Is ethernet doable? If I upgrade >the RAM what kind do I need? (It's a 540, not a 1040.) > >> My 1040ste I have upgraded to 4 megs, it has a >> 14.4 modem and a quantum 105lps scsi HD on. It will currently connect to >> the internet, and i mean with PPP an PAP authentication, will do IRC, FTP, >> Popmail and graphically surf all via freeware. Please let me know if I can >> be of any assistance. > > >-- > _______ KB7PWD @ KC7Y.AZ.US.NOAM ecloud(a)goodnet.com > (_ | |_) Shawn T. Rutledge on the web: http://www.goodnet.com/~ecloud > __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ >* quantize the universe * 808 State * virtual reality * mad science *

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I'm younger than the Mac... came out the same year the 386. Guess that means that I'm 32 bit! Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 12:03 AM Subject: RE: Atari hard drives? > ><[Everyone predates the PC, except for me...] ><I'm from 1978, same year VAX was invented. ><The PC is from 76, right? I'm not too far off... ><------- > > >Hmmm, then I predate the S/360, the Bendix G-1, maybe even the IBM 650 >(did it come out before 1955?). > Jack Peacock >(even old enough to remember the Univac NBC/Huntley & Brinkley used for >1960 election night)

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by peacock＠simconv.com

<[Everyone predates the PC, except for me...] <I'm from 1978, same year VAX was invented. <The PC is from 76, right? I'm not too far off... <------- Hmmm, then I predate the S/360, the Bendix G-1, maybe even the IBM 650 (did it come out before 1955?). Jack Peacock (even old enough to remember the Univac NBC/Huntley & Brinkley used for 1960 election night)

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<As I recall, the proper name for the Shugart 506 interface became a <proto-standard called SASI, and is a direct ancestor to SCSI. Though <it's a bit hard to recognize the grandparent in the children's faces. No not correct. SASI did become SCSI but SASI is not ST506. ST506 is a raw device interface that is actually a graduate of the floppy interface for 5.25 floppies and closer to that. SASI/SCSI is a higher level parallel bus with arbitration and other features. the biggest difference is that ST506 assumes no intelligence in the drive and SCSI/SASI assumes some intelligence at the slave. SASI Shugart Associates System interconnect The offered that as an interface from the sa4000 drives to a interconnect bus. Others that offered similar boards were Xybec Western Digital and Adaptec. Ampro and others would formalize SASI to SCSI. SCSI Small computer System interconect Used to interconnect intelligent DISKs, TAPES, and CDROMS mostly. It can be used to interconnect systems and offers high data rates. ST506 the raw device (drive) interconnect used initially by Shugart for hard disks and was adopted by others. The basic interface is serial data and the disks data rate on seperate connector using rs422 balanced lines. Control signals like step, direction, head select were on another cable that is bussed liek those for floppies. It's limits were up to 8 heads (later 16) and 5MbS data rate. EDSI was an outgrowth of this. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Atari hard drives?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Of course, I was just using the vernacular... (About like "CMOS setup" - <you didn't make any comments about that one though. :-)) But I didn't <remember that it was called ST506. Sounds like a Seagate part number. <Was it a PC hard drive, or even earlier? The ST506 was an early 5mb full height 5.25" hard disk from Shugart (later to become seagate). I still have a few. I predates the PC! The first PCs to have a hard disk used either the ST506 (5m) ST412 (10mb) or the Tandon t100 10mb all of which had a similar st506 drive level interface. <> You're probably thinking of the servo bursts - the signals that keep th <> heads on a track. Some drives did use a particular side of one of the <> platters for these. Other drives 'embedded' them in the sector headers <> the data platters. The latter is not common on ST506 interfaced drives, <> but is common on SCSI/IDE drives < <Hmmm, interesting. So low-level formatting doesn't rewrite these? <That would imply that the servo bursts are not involved in determining <sectors at all. I used to use an RLL card with a couple of formerly <MFM drives, and it made more sectors per track, so I thought the <wasted platter had something to do with that. Servo bursts are written at the factory and if lost the drive is junk as there is no way to reconstitue them. Their primary function is to get the head correctly centered on the cylinder regardless of temperature, vibrations and mechanical wear. MFM vs RLL... The media has a capacity to store a certain number of magnetic transistions per linear inch. This is a design number and unchangeable. What can change is the interpretation of those. RLL uses fewer magnetic transistions to encode data and it's clocking information needed to recover the data later. RLL in effect is data compression. <> Are you sure: While almost all clone controllers have a formatter routi <> at C800:5, < <Yep, that's the one. < <> I couldn't find it in the original IBM XT hard disk BIOS. Some of the controllers didn't have rom and depended on a floppy loaded formatter or floppy loaded driver routine. On one of my floppies I have HDINIT that was used for that purpose. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Final Xerox Star demo

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>What are these bad things? I certainly want to know since I live >near it! > >If you want a description, it's fairly small (in terms of total info), >with a 2-story walk-through PC (when will they get that not every >computer in the world uses intel processors?), To make room for the two-story walk-through PC, they had to get rid of the neato walk-through SAGE exhibit, among others. Basically, they went from a museum a techno-geek could enjoy to something which appeals to the public at large. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

27 years, 11 months

Final Xerox Star demo

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

What are these bad things? I certainly want to know since I live near it! If you want a description, it's fairly small (in terms of total info), with a 2-story walk-through PC (when will they get that not every computer in the world uses intel processors?), a history exhibit, a robotics exhibit, and an "internet exhibit" with stuff like how the information superhighway has transformed the technology paradigm for the new millenium. THe history one is the only mildly interesting one with lots of old machines (S/360, PDP-8, Altair, Apple I, etc.), but a bit small. The machines used in other sections are certainly worth museum appearance. Weird DEC and Apple stuff is all over the place, used for multimedia, but cool in themselves. > >I've certainly heard bad things about the BCM - how true they are I don't >know, since I've never been. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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