These are certainly available for the PC. Check out www.emulators.com
>>
>> > Does anybody know anything about these "thrid-party Macintoshes?"
I'm
>> > familiar with the Outbound computers, I have never even heard of
any
>> > other early Mac clones. Any info?
>>
>> How about Atari STs and Amigas running Macintosh emulators? :) :) :)
>
>Wasn't there a thing called a 'Magic Sack' or something that was a
cartridge
>for the ST which you put the ROMs from a Mac into. One version had a
Mac
>disk controller (IWM) chip in it as well, I think.
>
>Problem was, it needed genuine Apple Mac ROMs. The only way to get
those,
>at least at first, was to strip them out of a Mac.
>
>-tony
>
>
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I understand, but many people would much rather do word processing on
a more conventional machine, simply in the interest of productivity
(I doubt anyone wants to go through a routine of converting files
back and forth. I strongly doubt TeX would run on a regular IMSAI
with reasonable speed).
>
>
>Well, your can do tons of serious work with one.
>
>IT runs several OSs (CPM being well known)
>Code and application development (asm, basic, Pascal, Cobol,
fortran....)
>word processing
>Graphics work (with the appropriate board)
>Accounting
>spread sheets (multiplan)
>Games, deadline, Zaxxon, Adventure, chess...long list.
>
>In a word most anything you might imagine.
>
>My s100 NS* system is one example that is still doing many of those
>things.
>
>Allison
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: James L. Rice [SMTP:jrice@texoma.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:15 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: PDP11/34 Being Retired and Scrapped
A plant at which I work is retiring a PDP11/34 and two Industrial I/O
racks later this month. This machine has at least two sets of spare
boards and even a spare hard drive as well as a complete set of
manuals. It has been under a DEC service contract and has been running
24/7 for the last 20 years. After I transfer control of the furnaces to
AB PLC's later this month, the DEC has been promised to a scrap yard in
the Dallas area. If I can pry it away from the scrapper grasp, would
anyone want it. I'm not into mini's so I don't want it, but I hate to
see it get recycled for the metal.
Also, I know where a HP 3000 can be picked up for probably under a
$100. It has a hard drive, at least a med of ram, a 9 track tape drive
(requires 3ph 208v), 10-12 HP2392 (as I recall) terminals, all of the
cables, boards, expanders, a modem and was running when removed. If
anyone is intrested, let me know and I'll pass your email adress to this
guy.
James
Been on vacation and the road for the last 17 days and just got finished
reading all the e-mail. Seems to have been some nice finds by some in the
group. I will not try and list all the items I purchased just the nicer
items. I did go to a auction at the U of Houston and must have ran into the
same guys everyone else has they cost me over $900 to get a few items that
I wanted (by running the bids up). I got about 50 Mac's and over 100 mac
kb's to trade or sale cheap. Now on with the list:
- Sun 3/50 model 247 not tested yet
- Compaq Portable III not tested yet
- ADDS Envoy luggable with built-in acoustic modem and network connector
- 6 new copies of Symantec Thinks Ligthspeed Pascal for Mac's
- HP Integral PC model 207 with software, built-in printer, 256k memory
module in rear, HP ROM Module HP-UX/RO operating system Rel 5.0, HP-UX
Technical Basic Rel 5.0. The baby fires right up and works great.
- PE Nelson model 1020TA
- HeathKit H11A digital computer LS11
- Tektronix 4211 Instrument
- Orchid Technology ProDesign II card
- Sun shoebox model 511
And the list goes on all together I picked up several hundred on this trip,
will write more later. Keep Computing John
<Do you ever actually use this IMSAI for things like word processing
<which could be done on another computer? Do you use Wintel, or is this
<your main computer, like Tony has his AT?
Well, your can do tons of serious work with one.
IT runs several OSs (CPM being well known)
Code and application development (asm, basic, Pascal, Cobol, fortran....)
word processing
Graphics work (with the appropriate board)
Accounting
spread sheets (multiplan)
Games, deadline, Zaxxon, Adventure, chess...long list.
In a word most anything you might imagine.
My s100 NS* system is one example that is still doing many of those
things.
Allison
Do you ever actually use this IMSAI for things like word processing
which could be done on another computer? Do you use Wintel, or is this
your main computer, like Tony has his AT?
>This
>was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB
>SCSI
>drive. Which is a little over $1/MB. <<
>
>How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive,
>first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or
>close to it. It ran me $1500 with a case and power supply, no
>controller, all for a gigantic 5MB and a blinding fast 90msec access
>time. That would be, oh, about US$300/MB. That much gets you an 18GB
>disk these days. I used a Konan controller connected to my IMSAI,
>development for Z80 code and BIOS device drivers for CP/M v3 and MP/M.
>
>I still have that drive, though it doesn't read/write so well now, but
>the head still moves ok. The IMSAI has had many a MFM drive since
those
>days, the Konan (not very good) was replaced by an SDS VersaFloppy III,
>and it's due for an upgrade to a 3.5" Tandon 20MB in the near future.
I
>plan to mount it on a prototype card inside the chassis and eliminate a
>cabinet. Maybe even 3.5" floppy if I can find some 720K drives.
>
>For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do
>when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years
>worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running
>for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program.
> Jack Peacock
>
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Subject: PDP-11's being retired
From: "Dave" <synapse(a)halcyon.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 6, 1998 14:51 EDT
Message-id: <01bd917c$6e480db0$0a0a0a80@mass>
We're (finally!) retiring 2 PDP-11/04's, a PDP-11/23 and 2 PDP-11/73 clones
(SMS). Anyone have any use for them? The damn things won't die! They're
going in the scrap bin if I don't get a response in a week. Send me some
mail or give me a call.
Dave Duperon
(425) 356-5569 (days)
(425) 338-7198 (eves)
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At 08:30 PM 6/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>one. Here's what Newsbytes had to say about it:
Where are you getting the Newsbytes quotes? Seems like it would be a great
reference.
>name. Apple seemed to be into girl's names at the time. The Apple ///
>was developed under the project name "Sara." Who was Lisa named after,
>anybody know?
At 10:12 AM 6/5/98 +1000, you wrote:
>it didn't have more was that I was paying for it, and the cost of 8Mb of
>memroy and 200Mb of disk, plus computer was lots. You tend to forget how
>much disk space used to cost, I've got the bill somewhere for the 200Mb
>Quantum SCSI disk - it was over AUD$2K. Total system cost was about $10K :-(
I recently came across an old invoice for a hard drive I had bought. This
was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB SCSI
drive. Which is a little over $1/MB.
Nowadays, Price Club has 5/6GB drives for about a nickel/MB.
(Of course, my first ever hard disk was a used ST-225 (and HDC) for $250 --
about $10/MB...)
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<How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive,
<first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or
I have a sample from 1980, still working. along the way it was ued to
test a disk controller using NEC d7261 in an early XT. BEfore that it was
on a multibus 8088 system and it was my first drive when I got a teltek
controller. It's still good and I checked reciently it still has the copy
of CP/M I last updated in 84ish before bumping up to a Quantum D540.
I still have a sa400 that was original to the NS* MDS-A controller (1977)
and a later SA400L both working.
<For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do
<when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years
<worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running
<for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program.
My NS* is running a soft sector controller I built in '81(765 based)
though the MDS-A is still operational in a netronics box from '79.
Both are still in use and used for assorted development work. 20 and 19
years later!
Allison
<notes as to what I added and how I did it and why. They're in with the
<PERQ manuals, and I regard my manuals as being even more valuable than my
<computers.
Amen.
Allison
This is just sort of a FYI message, I've already solved my problem.
It started off easy enough, I needed to use one of my Q-Bus VAXen, and was
planning on using the big old MV2. Turns out one of it's power supplies is
apparently dead :^( Haven't really had time to look into that.
No problem says I, I'll just throw one of the disks in my VAXstation II/RC.
The disk freaked out and made some really alarming noises. Turns out the
RQDX3 is apparently bad. I replaced it, and then it told me the drive was
off line. I proceeded to give the system a good checkup, and couldn't find
anything wrong, finally I pulled the other HD out of the MV2. It worked
just fine.
The answer to the problem appears to be that the first HD had been
initialized on a Emulex controller which is the primary controller in my
MV2, the second one was initialized on a RQDX3 (the secondary controller in
the MV2). Both had bootable VMS installs on them, unfortunatly the one I
needed was the first, but I've now got that taken care of. Just an
interesting and educational problem I thought I'd share.
Zane
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>> I recently came across an old invoice for a hard drive I had bought.
This
was mail-order from a wholesaler, in 1993. $287 got me a Maxtor 213MB
SCSI
drive. Which is a little over $1/MB. <<
How about an original Shugart Technology (now Seagate) ST506 drive,
first year they came out? Forget the year now, must have been 1980 or
close to it. It ran me $1500 with a case and power supply, no
controller, all for a gigantic 5MB and a blinding fast 90msec access
time. That would be, oh, about US$300/MB. That much gets you an 18GB
disk these days. I used a Konan controller connected to my IMSAI,
development for Z80 code and BIOS device drivers for CP/M v3 and MP/M.
I still have that drive, though it doesn't read/write so well now, but
the head still moves ok. The IMSAI has had many a MFM drive since those
days, the Konan (not very good) was replaced by an SDS VersaFloppy III,
and it's due for an upgrade to a 3.5" Tandon 20MB in the near future. I
plan to mount it on a prototype card inside the chassis and eliminate a
cabinet. Maybe even 3.5" floppy if I can find some 720K drives.
For all you purists who want to keep machines original, what do you do
when the machine in question isn't retired yet, and there are 20 years
worth of upgrades installed? I figure that old IMSAI will be running
for another 5-10 years yet, cranking out the occasional Z80 program.
Jack Peacock
At 09:02 PM 6/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The annoying pop-ups come from a little JavaScript. In netscape, you can
>disable JavaScript and the pop-ups go away. I generally find that Java
>and JavaScript (which, of course, are two completely unrelated languages)
>are used to either annoy me or to crash my browser, so I disable them
>both.
Heck, I generally use Netscape 2.02, so it can't even *handle* Java. And
yes, turning off JS does get rid of lots of annoying things. (And turning
off autoload images not only speeds things up, but also avoids the constant
disk abuse caused by continually reloading GIF animations -- which are much
like hitting the gas and the brakes at the same time... gives your tires a
good workout but doesn't really get you anywhere.)
(As for home pages... I have my "home" page set to
<http://www.sinasohn.com/>, but have it set not to autoload it at start-up
-- I know what it says, and I already think I'm great, so I don't need
constant reminders. But it is available one click away for them what needs
convincing of my amazingness.)
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Hello I was wondering if you could tell me the jumper settings for the
mother board.
I am having trouble with the ps2 mouse port causing the system to lock up.
Thanks Jim Windle
A Nicolet computer (maybe the same model) was one of the first computers I
ever used, and most certainly the smallest up until then. It was attached to
a Bruker NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) instrument at the University of
Sydney when I used it as a research student from about 1975 or 76. It did
real time fast fourier transforms and interfaced directly to the Bruker
instrument. I think I remember people using it for other computing (maybe
with BASIC loaded) when they could get some time on it.
For a while, all it had was a teletype and paper tape punch/reader and that
was my first experience in the use of front panel switches to load a
bootstrap paper tape loader and then through the sequence of punched tapes
until the final program was loaded. Of course you never turned it off if you
could help it. Later it acquired a twin magnetic tape unit but I had
finished my graduate research then and never experienced that luxury.
Phil Guerney
Brisbane Australia
guerney(a)uq.net.au
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:43 AM
Subject: Nicolet 1080 rescued
>Since I'm sure not many of you have ever heard of Nicolet Instrument
>Corporation (Madison, Wisconsin), I'll tell you what I know so far.
Well, if you want a job in computers, then you'll have to get used to it....
;-)
Think LCD dipslays. Big, numeric ones. Kinda like trying to add
999999999+1 on a 8-digit calculator.
Ciao,
Tim "NASDAQ Lover" Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: Uncle Sam wants...
>
>
>
>
>What do you mean? I'm not too familiar with stocks, so I don't have
>any idea what Dow Jones IS, never mind where and how it's displayed.
>>Max Eskin wrote:
>>>
>>> Better yet, tell them you were born in 2000! They'll never be able
>>> to draft you then!
>>> By the way, I heard that there was also a computer issue with
>>> Dow Jones hitting 10K. Are there any more similar limitations that
>>> will soon be reached?
>>
>>The Dow Jones hitting five digits is a problem in the display
>>department, not the calculation department.
>>--
>>Ward Griffiths
>>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
>> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
>>
>
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What do you mean? I'm not too familiar with stocks, so I don't have
any idea what Dow Jones IS, never mind where and how it's displayed.
>Max Eskin wrote:
>>
>> Better yet, tell them you were born in 2000! They'll never be able
>> to draft you then!
>> By the way, I heard that there was also a computer issue with
>> Dow Jones hitting 10K. Are there any more similar limitations that
>> will soon be reached?
>
>The Dow Jones hitting five digits is a problem in the display
>department, not the calculation department.
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
>
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Yes I have one too and from the last listing on them they were early
prototypes used to test market the gs board inside them.
At 12:27 PM 5/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
>
>It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
>
>Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it look
>like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in
>keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs
>series.
>
>Anybody ever heard of these?
>
>Kai
>
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
anyone on this list in OZ have a original Compaq Portable they want to
sell/trade or give away??
