><word. I do not know if ODS-1 (RSX FILES-11) or the RSTS filesystems
><precede RT-11, but if I had to guess, I would say yes. IIRC, both use
><9.3.
>
>Did you mean 8.3? RT-11, RSTS and RSX-11 were 8.3 as was early VMS and
>unice.
I can't speak for RSTS and RSX-11, but I _know_ early VMS was 9.3; that is,
as long as VMS 3.4 is counted as early. RT-11 is 6.3; since you can cram
three characters into a word using Radix-50, a filename in RT-11 takes three
words.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
<word. I do not know if ODS-1 (RSX FILES-11) or the RSTS filesystems
<precede RT-11, but if I had to guess, I would say yes. IIRC, both use
<9.3.
Did you mean 8.3? RT-11, RSTS and RSX-11 were 8.3 as was early VMS and
unice.
Allison
Executor is just like all other "mostly compatible" things. It works
perfectly with everything but that which you want it to run. I've run
Lemmings, Netscape (w/ screwed up colors), and that's about it.
Nothing much will really run, and you can be assured that you won't
be able to install a program because there is no system folder (the
least of the install problems; the most is missing system calls).
>problems with sound but seems to work just fine on my machine.
unfortunately,
>im having some problems trying to unstuff mac files from disk,
evidently
>because of the mac's forked files.
I was wondering what the point was of the resource fork, who invented
it, how it's better than a simple bunch of characters, and why they
didn't think that 20 years later we'd be ripping our hair out because of
it...
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At 03:06 PM 6/9/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to access the BIOS of an old Toshiba 2200sx
>> laptop? It is Pheonix, but I can't tell what version, etc., as it
>That's makes this bit harder because these programs are not that easy
>to get besides the Toshiba's website. Which is a black mark against
I've found Toshiba's on-line support for their older machines to be
excellent; I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that the setup pgm was
available on their web site. Definitely worth checking out.
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In a message dated 98-06-10 05:56:42 EDT, you write:
<< > Was this one of the ones from about '92? If it's the one I'm thinking
of,
> it would be the first with the 'pencil' pointer in the keyboard. For all I
> know, the first built in pointer (I'd not seen any prior to this). Of
> course I really remember it running AIX and OS/2 at the same time (I hate
> AIX, but sure wish they had released that product). >>
the thinkpad 700 and 720 were both ps2 style laptops from ibm, but they werent
the first ones. i believe the thinkpad 300 predated it. there was also the N40
and L40 ibm laptops, but they were not thinkpads. all thinkpads have used the
trackpoint.
david
I picked up a copy of Mobile Computing and the editorial starts off by
mentioning several portable computers that were significant in the history
of mobile computing. Included in the list was the Model 100 (of course)
and the IBM 700 (I forget the others.)
The question I have is what was significant about the IBM 700? If it's the
I think it is, it had an external fdd, but it certainly wasn't the first
(heck, the M100 had that.)
So, does anyone know what the ed might have been talking about?
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Was the second episode also in Antarctica? Wouldn't there be a reason
why the first chip fried? I mean chips don't just evaporate their
casings!
>> > I add to this tricky problems:
>>
>> - Bent pin on VGA monitor plug
>>
>
>At one job, I want back to the stock room to find three monitors
>that were tagged "BAD (RED|GREEN) GUN". One was repairable by
>straightening out the bent pin. The other two were too crimped
>and broke off. Fortunately, we had a pile of (genuinely) dead
>ones that could be stripped for the cables. This was in Antarctica.
>Couldn't exactly send out for spares (until sunrise).
>
>At that same place, the other techs ooh'ed and aah'ed when I
>replaced a surface mount chip that drove the parallel port
>on a Dell 316sx. (When I went to that service call, after half-
>an-hour of debugging the machine (which still booted and ran),
>the customer commented, "maybe it won't print because of all the
>smoke that was coming out of it." I thought he was joking at
>first. I mean, wouldn't you mention _that_ in the first five
>minutes of describing the problem? Upon closer examination,
>I could see the hole in the package. New chip, no problem.)
>
>-ethan
>
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about a PC speaker sound driver for W3.1, and the other was a
question about setting up the BIOS on my T2200sx laptop. The response
was overwhelming, and I have been e-mailed three different sound
drivers, and got two different successful ways to setup my BIOS!!!
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At 04:15 PM 6/9/98 PDT, you wrote:
>> - Bent pin on VGA monitor plug
>
>At one job, I want back to the stock room to find three monitors
>that were tagged "BAD (RED|GREEN) GUN". One was repairable by
>straightening out the bent pin. The other two were too crimped
>and broke off. Fortunately, we had a pile of (genuinely) dead
At a user group meeting last Saturday, I showed up to find that the monitor
I had brought had a bent pin. It promptly broke off when I tried to
straighten it. So I pulled one of those hotel sewing kits out of the car
and one of the other guys slipped a needle into the hollow pin, snipped to
length, and it worked fine for the whole meeting (and probably is still
working fine, only he took it home to replace the connector.)
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At 12:25 PM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Outbound
>
>Anybody have any of these? Any experience with them. I would love some
>further information.
I have an Outbound. Fantastic machine. The pointing device alone is worth
getting the computer for. (Imagine a pencil tucked up against the bottom
edge of your keyboard. Roll it towards the screen and away to move the
cursor up and down. Slide it left and right to move the cursor left and
right. Wonderful!) Unfortunately, mine has a problem with the screen; if
anyone has any spare parts, or knows anything about them, I'd love to hear
>from you! (I'd really like to put this machine to use!)
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At 12:38 AM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> is given in edition 1, as oppose to just saying they exist. I'd love to
>> get a list of old Mac clones.
A (very!) non-portable Mac "Clone" that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the
Dash '030 from (iirc) 68000 systems. It's an actual Mac II-type
motherboard in a huge server case. Ports were accessable on the top, and
has about 6 or 7 drive bays up front. The front covers the drives and can
be locked closed. Huge P/S, with filter on the back. Very serious
systems. I've got two, actually.
(Someday, Real Soon Now, I'll get one of 'em set up as a server for
Rachel's classroom.)
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I have a Grid 386 SX laptop which will not boot from a floppy (although the
floppy does work.)
It's got a Phoenix BIOS, although the usual Ctrl-Alt-Esc and Ctrl-Alt-S
don't bring up a setup program.
Was there a setup program? How do I get into it?
Thanks,
manney(a)lrbcg.com
"Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire."
<Characters lean to the right, and the display moves all over the screen.
<Usually the motion is quickly to the left while also moving upward, thoug
<sometimes it stabalizes and just moves upward.
<
<Is there an adjustment to control this somewhere?
Yes in or on the monitor. The system board video is clocked off the
system crystal and stable. There are two adjustments for H&V position
but they aren't likely the problem.
The common problem is the monitor either the 4n25 opto isolator in the
interface or more common video problems that tubes incur.
Allison
In a message dated 98-06-09 13:44:45 EDT, Paul E. Coad put forth:
<< ARDI has a mac emulator (Executor). From their web page: >>
yes, my brother gave me a cd with something called executor2 and that's what
it is; a mac emulator. it doesnt support anything over system7 and has certain
problems with sound but seems to work just fine on my machine. unfortunately,
im having some problems trying to unstuff mac files from disk, evidently
because of the mac's forked files.
david
>I remember a program, actually a sound driver, that was written for
>computers without sound cards. I think it was intended for Windows
>3.1 or something like that to allow simple .wav files to be played
>--- in lue of a sound card -- simply used the internal pc speaker.
>
Go to http://sunsite.unc.edu/~boutell/faq/winsound.htm
Ignore the stuff about Mosaic.
-- Kirk
In a message dated 6/8/98 8:21:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
maxeskin(a)hotmail.com writes:
<< A few months ago, PC World did a similar thing, only they made real
hardware problems. Cutting the IDE cable on some machines, and
rearranging RAM in others (so the SIMMS were no longer paired). Noone
solved this. Better yet, the next issue, they published a letter
saying that these were clearly artificial problems, and I quote,
"IDE cables just don't fail". The guy said that a tech would never
think to look at it. >>
yes, someone at work told me about it and i just had to read it myself. it was
amazing to say the least, but not really surprising. I work at a help desk and
i've talked with both end users and these servicers and ive seen all types.
some servicers will condemn a bad system board simply because they dont have
the jumpers set so it can post! ive also noticed most servicers just swap
parts until it works and most dont even seem to check it out before they give
it back to the customer. either A+ certification is bogus, or every servicer
needs it.
david
A plant at which I work is retiring a PDP11/34 and two Industrial I/O
racks later this month. This machine has at least two sets of spare
boards and even a spare hard drive as well as a complete set of
manuals. It has been under a DEC service contract and has been running
24/7 for the last 20 years. After I transfer control of the furnaces to
AB PLC's later this month, the DEC has been promised to a scrap yard in
the Dallas area. If I can pry it away from the scrapper grasp, would
anyone want it. I'm not into mini's so I don't want it, but I hate to
see it get recycled for the metal.
Also, I know where a HP 3000 can be picked up for probably under a
$100. It has a hard drive, at least a med of ram, a 9 track tape drive
(requires 3ph 208v), 10-12 HP2392 (as I recall) terminals, all of the
cables, boards, expanders, a modem and was running when removed. If
anyone is intrested, let me know and I'll pass your email adress to this
guy.
James
I have a Wang PC-001. It is about half the width, almost 50% higher
and 25% longer than the original IBM PC (if memory serves me right..
I'll confirm these dimensions tonight). It has a 5 1/4" half height 20
MB hard drive, presumeably a Seagate ST-220 although I've never popped
the cover. Floppy drives I'll check tonight as well, I seem to
remember one 5 1/4" half height. The cards in the rear are mounted
horizontally as well. One interesting part of this pc is that the
monitor has a steel mounting bracket (on one end it holds the monitor,
on the other it has a clamp for the edge of a desk) which is angled at
45 degrees so the monitor can be elevated above the user's desk to
free a desk of all but the keyboard (with the system unit on the
floor).
Marty
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Subject: Wang PC-002 ??
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 6/9/98 2:26 PM
Greetings,
I saw a very large Wang box at a thrift store yesterday, I *think* the
little sticker on it said "PC-002". I didn't see the keyboard, but I
didn't look.
The machine was really big, I think about twice the height of an old
IBM-PC and about the same width. It was longer than it was wide.
It had two full-height 5.25" floppy drives.
>From the back it looked like it had several large horizontally-mounted
cards inside, including one with two coaxial cable connectors and another
with two female DIN connectors.
I would have paid close attention to it had my arms not already been full.
I didn't see the keyboard, but it was probably stacked up in the pile with
all the normal PC crap keyboards.
If I am to go back for it, I'll have to take the car as I doubt I'd be
able to survive the walk to the bus while trying to carry that thing.
Does anyone know what this thing is?
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
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Does any of you have any details on the JC Penney Video Sports
pong-type console system? I just picked one up, and am curious for
more details on the unit, such as production numbers, current rarity
(or lack thereof), and other interesting things about it.... if there
are any.
Are these things as common as a house-fly?
Thanks,
CORD COSLOR
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I'm reading _Build Your Own Macintosh and Save a Bundle_ and it has an
interesting reference to early Mac clones. The book states:
"The same Apple Macintosh Powerbooks that legitimized the whole Macintosh
portable area have spelled the death knell for most other third-party
Macintosh portable builders who cannot compete with Apple's overwhelming
manufacturing economies of scale. While Outbound continues to
flourish-thanks to a wisely forged legal agreement and clever positioning
of their Macintosh portable models versus the Apple Powerbooks-I question
their long-term staying power. Most other third-party Macintosh portable
vendors have either gone out of business entirely or have quietly dropped
their portable offerings."
Does anybody know anything about these "thrid-party Macintoshes?" I'm
familiar with the Outbound computers, I have never even heard of any
other early Mac clones. Any info?
Thanks,
Tom Owad
At 02:18 PM 6/9/98 -0400, Doug wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>
>>
>Does anyone know what this thing is?
>
>
No, but there's a bunch of manuals for a Wang PC in a trift store here.
Let me know if you want them. I'll check the model number on them the next
time I'm there.
Joe
At 10:36 PM 6/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Remember: Good, Fast, Cheap pick any two. Here in the USA the cost to
>repair often exceeds value on unit, of comes very close to it. A new
>boom box 125$, an hour of service time is typically 35-50$ plus parts
>(usually a subassembly). If the set is more than x many years old the
>feature of a new one and the cost to repair... In some places where
>goods are scarce or expensive that level of waste can't exist.
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
You know, I've heard of this. A friend of mine was visiting a customer
in Serbia (part of the former Yugoslavia), and he was totally amazed that
technicians there were repairing "throw away" modules from the motorola
"MX" portable UHF radios. They used home-made tools, and reverse-engineered
schematics (the exact contents of these modules was supposed to be a
secret).
Clever, these eastern europeans . . . .
>
>I've gotten some good equipment for this reason. I also have some old
>equipment because I could fix it real cheap. My first 11/23 was made
>from failed FS spares returns that were 'shot to the chip level. That
>includes the RL02 I got on a bet. It was mine of I could fix it, it had
>been totally taken appart by several people that couldn't fix it...
>problem was a bad crimp on a spade lug to the motor start cap. It's
>still running and I've never used a alignment pack that one of the
>people that took it apart said it would need despite the heads never
>being desturbed.
>
>Then again I can solder too.
>
>Allison
>
>
>
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