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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 10, 11:10, Allison J Parent wrote: > <word. I do not know if ODS-1 (RSX FILES-11) or the RSTS filesystems > <precede RT-11, but if I had to guess, I would say yes. IIRC, both use > <9.3. > > Did you mean 8.3? RT-11, RSTS and RSX-11 were 8.3 as was early VMS and > unice. RT-11 has always been 6.3, RSX-11 is 9.3 IIRC, and UNIX doesn't have any fixed format - though early versions had a fairly small limit on name length (12 chars?). All versions of UNIX allow as many dots as you can fit in the length. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 11 months

FS: Apple Lisa Vintage Computer! Very rare! (fwd)

by dastar＠wco.com

@Get this for humor. The funny thing is, he'll probably get this price for it! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/07/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Shadow303(a)my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.marketplace Subject: FS: Apple Lisa Vintage Computer! Very rare! Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:39:20 GMT Apple Lisa computer for sale! Looks a bit used but in excellent condition! Has tons of extra software! I want 2,000 dollars or best offer. E mail me. Cliff -- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/07/98]

27 years, 11 months

Microsoft Re-Liscencing?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Just heard about this, so I dunno really what I'm talking about... Appearantly, this company is (was) selling liscences for DOS 3.3. I'm guessing that this is from a deal with MS. Has anyone ever seen this? Is it available with another product, such as early Windows releases? Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 11 months

Basic PDP-11ish questions

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, to aviod confusion the first system in question is a SMS-1000, with a PDP-11/73 board, 2MW RAM, RL02 Controller (DL), TK50 Controller (MU), Dilog DQ606 Floppy Controller (DY). The SMS-1000 has an internal Floppy and HD, which it thinks are a RD51 (DU) and RX50 (DU). The boot ROMs support DU (DSA, the HD and Floppy), MU (TK50), and MS (TS). I'm able to boot off of RL02 by entering in the bootstrap from ODT. I've got RSX-11M and XXDP RL02 packs, and can boot from either. I've managed to make a bootable XXDP floppy diskette. I can boot the machine directly off of the XXDP floppy on power up. I can boot the XXDP floppy >from the XXDP RL02 pack, and then boot the XXDP RL02 pack from floppy. However, if I power up and boot from floppy, I can not boot the XXDP RL02 pack. Is this because the Boot ROMs don't support RL02's? Does anyone have any instructions for a Dilog DQ606 controller? I gather that it can be configured to act as several different floppy drives. The drives that came with it are labeled as being a RX-50 and a RX-33, yet RSX-11M sees both as RX-02's. I'd like to get these changed back to RX-50 and RX-33. What does the device name 'MS', device type 'TS' stand for? My guess is a 9-Track tape drive. I've also got a PDP-11/44 that I'm slowly working on restoring. It's in two racks, one has a pair of RL02's which have been cleaned up. The other has the CPU, 2 RX-02's, 2 TU-58's, and a battery backup. In looking at the CPU, it looks as if it has a LED for the battery backup. Does that battery need to be in the system? I would just as soon remove them and not have anything to do with them since they are old lead-acid batteries, and I'm not very fond of such things (spent 3 1/2 years of my time in the Navy working on UPS's). Is there any reason that I can't just plug the whole thing into a power source outside of the rack. I'm asking since for all I know the battery and powersuppy in the bottom of the rack are some kind of power conditioning circuit. Also does anyone have any recommendations on how to go about testing out the power supplies on the 11/44? I'd just as soon not blow anything up. I have powered up the RL02's, but that is all so far. I'm waiting to test the power supplies before I get the remaining boards that I need for the system. Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

27 years, 11 months

Early Mac Clones

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Hey, not to mention those guys that unpackage their CoCo III's and put them into PeeCee cabinets to add SCSI, more disk drives, extra memory, etc. etc. etc. Jeff At 05:45 PM 6/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >>bit hard getting a mac into a pc case though, remember that macs have all >>the connectors on board, >> >>desie > > >Can't be any worse than the people that put Atari's or Amiga's in a PC >case. I've seen a Atari TT030 in a PC Tower, and it's quite popular among >Amiga people to tower their A1200's. All it takes is some creative cabling. > > Zane >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > > >

27 years, 11 months

Cross listing auction items

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I'm trying my darndest not to get too involved in this thread, even though I started it, but I need to set the record straight: The URLs I sent weren't from ebay, they were from Haggle Online. An online auction that is totally free to buyers and sellers, unlike ebay, that charges a fee to sellers. Not that it really matters, since online auctions seem to be the new "great satan" on this list. I would like to point out though that if you don't know the true value of an item, why not let the public decide? What's wrong with making a little bit of money off a hobby? I know this probably isn't over, but I'll try to stay out of it, regardless. At 07:15 PM 6/10/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >I and others have said in the past that there's no wrong reason for >wanting to collect computers, but this craze I see going on at eBay is in >the very least stupid. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 11 months

Early Mac Clones

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<One of the smallest multitasking systems I've seen was the I/O processor <on the PERQ 2's. It was a Z80 with 4K ROM and 16K RAM, but said ROM <contained essentially a cooperatively multitasking kernel. Some tasks <were in ROM, others were loaded into RAM. OK, so the user never realised <what was going on, but that doesn't alter the fact that it was there :-) The smallest I've seen run on 8080 and fits in some 100 or so bytes. It was published in Kilobaud April 1978 page 102 and yes it was real. To multitask on most anything all you need is an interrupt and save the context of the current task and start some new task... the order, where the tasks are and memory allocation can be somewhat tricky but, for small tasks its pretty trivial. I've done it in 8048 MCUs where the resources were 64byts of ram and 1k of rom and the tasks were keyscan, display, serial IO and code conversion. The timer provided the interrupt. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Early Mac Clones

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

bit hard getting a mac into a pc case though, remember that macs have all the connectors on board, desie -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 5:41 Subject: Re: Early Mac Clones >On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Tom Owad wrote: > >> What edition do you have? My 2nd edition book says a listing of clones >> is given in edition 1, as oppose to just saying they exist. I'd love to >> get a list of old Mac clones. > >I made a timely find today of the first edition of _Build Your Own >Macintosh and Save a Bundle_. In Chapter 2 it has a price comparison >between the clone "Cat" Mac and the real Mac. The computers it lists are: > >Cat Mac SE >Cat Mac SE 30 >Cat Mac II >Cat Mac IIfx >Cat Mac IIcx >Cat Mac IIci > >It will indeed be interesting if I ever find one of these homebrew clones >(For the curious, the book basically tells you to buy Mac motherboards and >parts from third-party suppliers and stick them in a PC case. That's it.) >They would be hard to spot since I don't even give a first look to PC >clone boxes. There's not really anything special about them anyway, other >than the fact that it is novel. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 05/30/98] >

27 years, 11 months

Stupid lusers...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> The MC68010 is the heart of my favorite computer ever, the AT&T Unix PC >> (built by Convergent Technologies). I've got three, two work fine, one >> is for parts. _Still_ the prettiest machines in my collection. Do you mean the NCR Tower series? Or was this some other offering by AT&T? I seem to remember that the old Tower 400's had 68010's - I've still got a few boards somewhere for one (system board was about 1 metre long and half a metre high!). I've got a complete Tower 700 with a 68030 as main CPU, and performance still rates really highly even these days...) Jules

27 years, 11 months

Files as files

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 10, 14:56, Max Eskin wrote: > How do UNIX files work? Is there a header of some sort? Not really. Certainly not consistently across all file types. Often command scripts have a comment at the top, and some versions of unix (eg, Irix) embed a "tag" number into executables so they can distinguish individual programs/versions quickly, but other than that, filetype determination is done by looking at various parts of a file and comparing what's found ("magic numbers") to a database (the "magic" file). So, for example, my system "knows" a certain file is a command script because the first 256 characters are all ASCII (which means it's probably a text file of some sort) and the file permissions are set such that it's executable (not merely readable). It also knows that a certain file is an ELF-format executable for a 32-bit little-endian MIPS processor with a version 1 architecture (ie it will run on *old* MIPS cpus as well as newer ones) because the bytes at offset 1 are "ELF", at offset 4 there's a binary "1" (which in this context means 32-bit not 64-bit), at offset 5 there's another "1" (little-endian), at offset 16 "2" means "executable", and at offset 18 "0" means "MIPS" (not Sparc, 80x86, 68000, etc). Some magic numbers are much simpler to decode, of course: a file that begins with "GIF89a" is a GIF file, surprise, surprise. And the more you dig, the more detail you can work out. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 11 months

Clueless Museums (was: Final Xerox Star demo)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<And another point. There are a lot of ways to make (say) an oscillator. <If you're designing something you probably only need to know a couple of <them. But if you're repairing it, you'd better understand the one that <was used. True! I have the advantage that I see designs and immediatly see the core of the design with all the fluff removed. But it's years of experience and a good basic grounding in circuit theory that allows me to look st stuff I've never seen and synthsize the elements of the design in my head and troubleshoot it, right down to seeing it's weak points of likely failure. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Clueless Museums (was: Final Xerox Star demo)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Related to this, there's a myth that design is difficult, but design is easy, it's a process. The initial creative thought is hard. <faultfinding/repair can be done by almost anybody. Well, having done <both, I personally find them equally difficult. Perhaps that means I'm <no good at it, but... Troubleshooting is a very complex process that I've never been able to teach to anyone but those that naturally could. For me troubleshooting is something that I find natural and easy. I carry that to design as just a different problem to solve (cheaper, faster, better; pick any two). But working with field circus underscored that thinking is not something you can mandate. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Cross listing auction items

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:58 PM 6/10/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >auctions. I'd suggest that the exact opposite is true. Whenever somebody >asks this list "how much is this thing worth", the answer is invariably >"whatever somebody is willing to pay". Basically, valuation of >collectibles is a democratic process not an analytical one belonging to >some exclusive domain of experts. Exactly, hence the value of an auction environment. That is what "whatever someone is willing to pay" means, isn't it? - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 11 months

Help on Grid Laptop

by manney＠lrbcg.com

There's an interesting GRiD support page at http://limbo.netpath.net/hw/GRiD/new.html >Is it a 1550SX? Try ftp://ftp.ast.com/GRID/conf1550.exe

27 years, 11 months

GRiD Latop, another problem

by manney＠lrbcg.com

Thanks for the advice -- it worked just fine!. Now...Windows (3.1) setup hangs when loading...when it's still in the DOS screens (before starting the Windows part.) Any ideas? manney(a)lrbcg.com "Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire." >Most (all?) GRiDs allow the boot device to be selected by holding down a >key at boot time: >'F': floppy >'H': hard disk >'B': bubble disk >'R': ROM disk >etc. I'm also hav manney(a)lrbcg.com "Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire."

27 years, 11 months

FA: Various systems

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

This is NOT a flame, but i'm just wondering the point of posting items that have been put up for sale on ebay, et al. all that means is every item will already be overbid on for an insane price. it is my opinion that if anything is announced as being for sale, the subscribers to this group should get first crack. david In a message dated 98-06-10 13:21:21 EDT, you write: << Some items on auction: Apple Portable, currently at $53.00 http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201635376 TI-99/4A, complete with about 15 games http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201639758 Also, looking for cheap Type I PCMCIA/JEIDA RAM cards. 1mb-4mb range. >>

27 years, 11 months

MS Museum (RE: Ack, not again (RE: Cross listing auction items))

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, apparently we need to demolish the existing one-story building where the current museum is located, and it's always been a bit cramped for big school tours, so a new larger location was pretty much de rigeur. I don't know if anything will be added, and no, I'm not on the museum staff. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza [mailto:yowza@yowza.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 6:17 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Ack, not again (RE: Cross listing auction items) On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > Please stop this, we've been over it a million times. We've been over the "is it OK to sell stuff here" question a million times. The auction thing adds a nice twist because they address the all-important valuation issue. Anyway, did you have anything to do with the Microsoft Museum announcement, and do you know what Bill is looking for and how much he'll pay? -- Doug

27 years, 11 months

Ack, not again (RE: Cross listing auction items)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Please stop this, we've been over it a million times. It ALWAYS generates MORE traffic on the list to argue about it than it does to simply ignore the auction posts if you don't like 'em. Kai

27 years, 11 months

IBM 700 Laptop Significance?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:58 AM 6/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >The first DOS laptop with a pointing device was the GRiD 1550SX, and it >had an isopoint (tootsie-roll) similar to the Outbound Mac-clone. What year did the 1550sx come out? I'll have to watch for it... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

IBM 700 Laptop Significance?

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > Was this one of the ones from about '92? If it's the one I'm thinking of, > > it would be the first with the 'pencil' pointer in the keyboard. For all I > > know, the first built in pointer (I'd not seen any prior to this). Of > > course I really remember it running AIX and OS/2 at the same time (I hate > > AIX, but sure wish they had released that product). > > That must be it. The TP700 was the first with the TrackPoint (eraser > head). Interestingly enough there was a thread recently on comp.sys.ibm.ps2 re the collectiveity of PS2 s. Most mentioned the 700. Some quotes : "The Thinkpad 710T (IBMs first Trackpad). I have one - without the 5MB TP-File. There were two different model-lines out: one has a 2.5" IDE HD, the other has a 5,10 or 20MB PCMCIA Solid State disk. The SSD-models have a different planar and cannot be converted into IDE-models. I have a SSD-model (2523-AY9) but no TP-Filecard. Too bad." " 9552 Thinkpad 700 C, one of the last microchannel Thinkpads" ciao larry > > The first DOS laptop with a pointing device was the GRiD 1550SX, and it > had an isopoint (tootsie-roll) similar to the Outbound Mac-clone. > > -- Doug > > > lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 11 months

IBM 700 Laptop Significance?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:28 PM 6/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >Was this one of the ones from about '92? If it's the one I'm thinking of, >it would be the first with the 'pencil' pointer in the keyboard. For all I >know, the first built in pointer (I'd not seen any prior to this). Of That's probably it. Though not the first with a built-in pointer. As Doug mentioned, GRiD had one, as did the Mac Portable (1989) and the Atari STacy (year?). Not sure what year the Outbound came out but I'm pretty sure it was pre-thinkpad (maybe '89ish?). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

FA: Various systems

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Looks like I made a real splash with my first post since resubscribing! In my defense, all I have to say is this: If don't really know the current street value for an item and I want to get rid of it, the best thing to do IS put it on auction and post to similar lists and newsgroups. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. During my hiatus, I was spending alot of time on usenet, a place where this is done all the time. Guess I got a little brainwashed. If it's gonna cause a problem, I won't let it happen again. At 01:37 PM 6/10/98 EDT, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: >This is NOT a flame, but i'm just wondering the point of posting items that >have been put up for sale on ebay, et al. all that means is every item will >already be overbid on for an insane price. it is my opinion that if anything >is announced as being for sale, the subscribers to this group should get first >crack. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 11 months

Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>A (very!) non-portable Mac "Clone" that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the >Dash '030 from (iirc) 68000 systems. It's an actual Mac II-type >motherboard in a huge server case. Ports were accessable on the top, and >has about 6 or 7 drive bays up front. The front covers the drives and can >be locked closed. Huge P/S, with filter on the back. Very serious >systems. I've got two, actually. Does "Mac II-type motherboard" mean its a genuine Apple motherboard, or do you just mean its similiar to the Mac II motherboards? Tom Owad

27 years, 11 months

Early Mac Clones

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Is this device better than a mouse, in your opinion? Is it an ADB device? >At 12:25 PM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >>>Outbound >> >>Anybody have any of these? Any experience with them. I would love some >>further information. > >I have an Outbound. Fantastic machine. The pointing device alone is worth >getting the computer for. (Imagine a pencil tucked up against the bottom >edge of your keyboard. Roll it towards the screen and away to move the >cursor up and down. Slide it left and right to move the cursor left and >right. Wonderful!) Unfortunately, mine has a problem with the screen; if >anyone has any spare parts, or knows anything about them, I'd love to hear >from you! (I'd really like to put this machine to use!) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Wang PC-002 ??

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

After reading Doug's message, I checked at my favorite trift store and found a pile of manuals for a Wang PC. NOT Personal Computer but Professional computer! The manuals seem to be sort of generic to all Wang PCs. None of the manuals mentioned a model number of the computers themselves but they did list the model numbers of the various options and accessories. I also found three Wang computers. They were under a pile of stuff so I didn't get a good luck at them and I don't know if they were Wang PCs or a different model but they looked like the PCs. Two looked like 8 slot electronics units (that's what Wang calls them) and the other looked like a 5 slot unit. Joe At 02:18 PM 6/9/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Greetings, > >I saw a very large Wang box at a thrift store yesterday, I *think* the >little sticker on it said "PC-002". I didn't see the keyboard, but I >didn't look. > >The machine was really big, I think about twice the height of an old >IBM-PC and about the same width. It was longer than it was wide. > >It had two full-height 5.25" floppy drives. > >>From the back it looked like it had several large horizontally-mounted >cards inside, including one with two coaxial cable connectors and another >with two female DIN connectors. > >I would have paid close attention to it had my arms not already been full. > >I didn't see the keyboard, but it was probably stacked up in the pile with >all the normal PC crap keyboards. > >If I am to go back for it, I'll have to take the car as I doubt I'd be >able to survive the walk to the bus while trying to carry that thing. > >Does anyone know what this thing is? > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > >

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