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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 01:28 PM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Sure, just as easily as you can move stuff between the 6502 based Nintendo >and an AIM-65 (i.e., no way dOOd -- even if the CPU is the same, nothing >else is). However, I seem to recall that Microsoft recently signed-up a >game machine manufacturer for CE, and it was either Nintendo or Sega. Sega. For the new 128-bit console system: Dreamcast. Coming to America next year. Out in Japan by Fall this year. <offtopic alert! offtopic alert!> Err, man, those Atari Pong games sure were a gas back in the 70's, man! Groooovy! *Whew!* Close one. ________________________________________ john higginbotham limbo.netpath.net - webmaster, http://www.pntprinting.com - "Teamwork is essential; it gives the - enemy other people to shoot at." -

27 years, 10 months

New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a apollo 4500. It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk. I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it. It was used for CAD stuff. What's it run? The problem with it is, the video card appears to have died. WHen I power the machine on (It has a VERY LARGE [21"] RGB monitor. Any chance of me connecting it to a PC? It has 3 plugs, R G B, and expects sync on green) and the monitor, I get garbage. The garbage is the same almost every time. There is 3 patterns. The first one is just garbage, the second one is the same garbage only dimmer, and the third is a light blue blank screen. All of them are light blue colored. The summasketch puck is also wrecked, someone's jerked the MMJ plug off the end. But I can get another one of those. There is a switch in the back (Next to the reset (?) button) than, when pressed, activates a 4-LED indication inside the case. When I start the machine, it flickers around, and stops at 1 on, 2 3 and 4 blinking. Is this a failure code? What's this switch for? Am I correct in my assumption? (Dead video) I've already pushed all the socketed chips in as far as they'll go. That didn't help. I also removed the video card (It has no socketed chips) and reseated it. This also has a network adapter, labled DOMAIN RING. What wire does that expect? I'm guessing it's not Ethernet... Oh, the label on the front says APOLLO DOMAIN 4500. FOrgot that :) -------

27 years, 10 months

Mini-Monitors?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:30 PM 6/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >I know of sources that satisfy everything except the *cheap*. >Small VGA color monitors - 5", 7", etc. - are readily >available from all the folks who sell embedded systems and >components. Expect to pay $600 and up, though. > >For a similar price you can also get VGA-compatible color LCD >displays in the same size range. Ooh, that would be *perfect*, except for the $. 8^( Hmmm.. How good is the security at these places? 8^) But seriously, a 5-7" monitor for $600? I guess there's not as big a market for them, but the folks that need 'em *really* need 'em. >a Pentium motherboard that's only 2.5" square! Now that's pretty damn cool! I picked up a SIIG computer. It's a 386SX (and probably too new for here) and is about 4" wide by 3" tall, by about 11" long. Fully self contained, just add monitor and keyboard. Has 16-bit and 8-bit ISA Slots (1 each), and both floppy and hard drive. Pretty darn cool; it's my new voicemail system. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK. I just purchased a Windows CE handheld. I realized that: 1) It represents MS's rebirth. That, along with cross-platform apps, means that MS isn't going to be doing to much with Windows 9x/NT after a couple years... 2) It's lighting fast, and covers all kinds of processors. Now, I've got 2 questions: 1) With a Velo, is there any way to save files after it's turned off without purchasing a hard card? 2) With a MIPS-based handheld, could I get stuff moving between this and my N64? Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Thanks for the tip, Tim. I'll dump all of my intel stock now. :-) Seriously, that doesn't mean going away from Intel. x86 is supported. Besides, Linux'll take over x86's hardware.... ;-) >> 2) It's lighting fast, and covers all kinds of processors. > >The H/PC was a bit of a flop. For some reason, not many people wanted to >buy a machine that looked like Windows95, but ran on slower hardware with >no application compatibility. Well, believe it or not, it took Microsoft for "open-season" to start on handhelds. >However, I like the new Pilot rip-off, the Palm-sized PC, better. And if >you've never seen their Auto PC for cars, brace yourself for some drooling >(guaranteed to flop at the current $2K price though). They're also making >inroads into embedded systems with CE. Great. Now, stoplights and car batteries will freeze on me. >> 1) With a Velo, is there any way to save files after it's turned off without >> purchasing a hard card? > >You've got internal battery-backed RAM for that. OK. >> 2) With a MIPS-based handheld, could I get stuff moving between this and my >> N64? > >Sure, just as easily as you can move stuff between the 6502 based Nintendo >and an AIM-65 (i.e., no way dOOd -- even if the CPU is the same, nothing >else is). However, I seem to recall that Microsoft recently signed-up a >game machine manufacturer for CE, and it was either Nintendo or Sega. That's what I thought. But I heard a friend talk about it... As for the Sega, Windows CE's OK for what I want it for: Simple eMail. No graphics, no attachments. I don't want Windows CE freezing up my game machine. Especially not when UNIX based competitiors are availabe. I said that I liked Windows CE. I didn't say that it was the best at anything. Just shows promise. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Green? For the first half-dozen years I never saw any Microsoft >documents in color. I have several Microsoft manuals and binders >from when their office was in Arizona and all of those are >black on white. Later stuff from when they moved to a suite in >Bellevue was still in black and white. I didn't see any green until >1980-1982 when Microsoft was selling Digital Research's CP/M with >their Softcard (Z-80 drop-in for the Apple II). OK. How many softcards were made? >BASIC implementation for dozens of personal computers in the late 70's >and very early 80's, most importantly. I know that. Was their first BASIC the 4K tape one for the Altair? >> Anything >> for say... the Apple II? > >Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as >an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold >several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known). They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual (C) 1979, in near mint condition.) >You know, I could go on for pages and pages with software that Microsoft >sold in the late 70's and early 80's for non PC-platforms. You'd probably >be much better educated about computing in that era if you simply went >and found the _BYTE_ magazines from that time frame and read the ads. OK. See, I checked out MS's museum, and I'd have to say that from a corporate perspective, it had a pretty fair view of things. They had the Apple II, Macintosh, Altair, etc. there. >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>>I think it depends on the machine. My DN3500 is about PC/AT sized. My >> >425 is a less tall, but takes up more desk area. didn't these things need some sort of domain controller or something to boot? I remember playing around with one at the place where I used to work repairing old machines and it got a sensible display up but then refused to boot. Mind you, I seem to remember that it took two keyboards - a standard PC one and an HP-specific one... the whole lot went to the tip sadly, minus the SCSI disks which were formatted for a different system (mind you, I rescued a few good machines from that place over time - the Tower32/700, Tektronix XD88, Philips P3800, numerous Link 480Z's and BBC model B's to name but a few...) >> disk and MB in it, the FPU went to my upgraded Mac SE), and I didn't even >> get ONE part out, just a face full of PCB fumes(whatever those boards are blowtorches work wonders surprisingly. It's very rare to toast a chip providing you're careful with heat distribution (not recommended for repair jobs on boards that you want to keep though ;*) cheers Jules

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I guess you're right. But still... er... um... Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... >> Yep. I know that. But MS dominance didn't exactly happen overnight. They >> didn't have much of a hold in anything until the IBM PC took off... > >I'd disagree with you here. Microsoft had a much broader scope before >the IBM PC, selling hundreds of pieces of software for dozens of >different platforms. And certainly a plurality, if not a majority, of 8-bit >home micros booted straight into Microsoft BASIC. Just about every >consumer-oriented-everything-in-a-box CP/M system came bundled with >MBASIC! > >Tim.

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Olympic Decathalon (responsible for many a broken left/right arrow key >> required for the running competitions). is that the same game as Daley Thompson's Decathalon on the old Spectrum? Seem to remember that burning out a few keys - I didn't realise it was a Microsoft product though!! Jules >

27 years, 10 months

Old Alpha's (OT)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Nope. I mean (mostly) DEC systems based on the Alpha 64-bit microprocessor. Sorry for any confusions... Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

> Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played > an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986 > or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. > Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody > have a picture? Yes it was green. If I can find an example, I'll scan it for you. > Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, > Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of > innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything > for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current > ports of IE 4.0)? Well, you're getting a copy of MULTIPLAN for the Apple ][. Seems like there was a word processor for the A][ as well. Don't forget Excel for the MAC. Excel was on the Macintosh long before it became a standard on that 'other' windowing OS. In fact, Excel is the only Microsoft product that actually *PREDATES* the operating system it runs on! No, MS Word dosen't count-- WinWord was a totally new product, bearing *no* resemblence to the original 'Word' for Mess-DOs. Excel was a straight port (well, it *looks* that way, anyway). If I look through some old issues of byte, I'm sure I'll find others . . . Jeff

27 years, 10 months

Old Alpha's (OT)

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Which "Alpha"? Alpha Micro? Hmm, is that "Alpha micro" as in "Alphatronic PC"? I have a few of those things lying around someplace in various states - my old university wrote their own terminal software for them, burned it out to eeprom, and we used to use them as terminals to access the Unix systems. IIRC I did see reference to an expansion box that allowed the use of hard drives with CP/M on - I did a lot of digging at the time and never turned up anything for them - I just had the custom Uni terminal ROMs and a set of BASIC ROMs that originally came with the machines. They were made by Triumph-Adler, from what I remember. Any information on these boxes would be most helpful!! (I have the original manuals, but they don't exactly go into a lot of detail) cheers Jules >

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Yep. I'll count that. BTW, welcome back! One time, I was eMailing you for help on something... didn't get a response... then you stopped posting to ClassicCmp... Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... >At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote: > >> Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, >>Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of >>innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything >>for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current >>ports of IE 4.0)? > >Does Microsoft BASIC on the TRS-80 Model 100 count? > > >________________________________________ >john higginbotham limbo.netpath.net - >webmaster, http://www.pntprinting.com - >"Teamwork is essential; it gives the - >enemy other people to shoot at." - > > > >

27 years, 10 months

Old Alpha's (OT)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hi. Just wanted to know if anyone out here knows where I can get an old <alpha... (real old). < Ciao, Ah, you gotta be kiddin.... The alpha is maybe max 8 years old! Allison

27 years, 10 months

PDP model line / rarity?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>> hmm. My university had a 7 which as far as I know was never used - it >>> just sat there as a conversational point in one of the physics labs. I >>> probably could have taken it, but just don't have the room for it (nor >>> the knowledge to keep it running, and I don't have the time these days >>> to learn about any new machines sadly!) >> >> When was this -7 just sitting there, out of curiosity? well I graduated a couple of years ago, so I last saw it probably about three years ago now (never had much call to go into the physics buildings). as I said, I don't know PDP machines so couldn't tell you how much of a system there was there or what state it was in - it had a paper sign hanging on the front saying "PDP7" and used to get pointed out during tours (heh heh, so I guess there could have been anything in there!! :) wish I'd taken a better look at it (mind you, as I said I couldn't really justify keeping such a beast, and I used to get enough obsolete equipment that the computing department used to throw out anyway!) cheers J. >

27 years, 10 months

PDP model line / rarity?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather <that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier <machines in the line? PDP = Programmed Data Processor. It was a ploy to tame down the idea of large, expensive and complex computers. The PDP-8E/F/M/A series was quite popular swith sales in the many tens of thousands. There are many of these in service as machine tool controllers and other uses. PDP-11 series was even more prolific. Rare machines are the PDP-1 (few left), PDP-5 the forunner to the 8, and 10s. The total sales for the PDP-1/4/5/6/7/9/10/12/15 combined was under 5000 units. Generally the 18 and 36bit machines are tough to find and if found represent a bit of work to run. Allison

27 years, 10 months

PDP model line / rarity?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather >that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier >machines in the line? There seem to be a fair number of -8's in private hands, at least there are a number of people who post on alt.sys.pdp8 who have them. Probably more Decmates then older -8s. As for -11s, I have quite a few, mostly qbus... There are even some people who have -10s and -20s at home. I've not seen any info on others like -4, -7, -9, -15, etc (other than the emulators that Bob Supnik of DEC wrote). >Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into >it ;*) Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros >and 32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old >boxes, they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of >view!! :) PDP = Programmed Data Processor. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 10 months

Composite <> Video

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Just want to check... Composite Video (as in a lot of 8-bit computers) is *not* the same thing as the Video ports on, say, a VCR or camcorder, right? And Composite is also not the same as what the Atari 2600 (et al) use to hook up to a telly? Thanks... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

MS Windows 1.03 for sale

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 7:39 Subject: Re: MS Windows 1.03 for sale >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > >> I bid $4billion! Oh wait, its only v1.03. I was looking for 1.02. Never >> mind. > >I have 1.02. Will that be cash or credit card? > >-- Doug > email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm ive got 1.02 but its in french, or is that france?? want it:> maybe not................

27 years, 10 months

Mini-Monitors?

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I found their web site: http://www.digisys.net/timeline/lcd.html Looks like they have few for good prices Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Mini-Monitors? ><In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a ><VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info ><given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :( ><Francois > >I'll call tehm but I suspect it will be like the DELL(sharp) LCD I have >and while VGA sized it is not a vga interface. > >Allison >

27 years, 10 months

another classiccmp coinkydink URL

by mor＠crl.com

Considering the recent chatter on analog computers, plus the Dow Jones 10,000 problem somebody brought up, I found this listing at Haggle.Com pretty cute: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201642752 -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

27 years, 10 months

Final Xerox Star demo

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: > > I'm really hoping to be there, but I still have to figure out how to get > > from Walnut Creek at 5pm to Palto Alo at 5:30... > > I see a need for speed. Hmm, usually they start a few minutes late, > but Umm, duh. I plead damaged swap area. Anyway, usually they start a few minutes late, but at the TCMHC site I think that's because it takes that long for folks to quit gawking at the old iron and sit down. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

Final Xerox Star demo

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: > >> >> Final Demo of the Xerox Star Workstation > >> >> 5:30 to 7:00pm > > I'm really hoping to be there, but I still have to figure out how to get > from Walnut Creek at 5pm to Palto Alo at 5:30... I see a need for speed. Hmm, usually they start a few minutes late, but > Ooh, I *love* waving my appendages, especially my phelanges! That's the spirit! Tongues, too! > Only, Wednesdays, esp. the second wed are not good... Make it the second > Thursday and you've got a deal. 8^) Well, second Wednesday was Paul's suggestion (and "suggestion" may be too strong a word), and he and I are both flexible. I figure whoever shows up at PARC will probably yak about this some Wednesday night and hopefully we will arrive at something close enough to consensus to post a real time and place. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a <VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info <given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :( <Francois I'll call tehm but I suspect it will be like the DELL(sharp) LCD I have and while VGA sized it is not a vga interface. Allison

27 years, 10 months

Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>I'm also interested in same and know someone that might like info. <>There is a truck load of applications for a cheap/compact/lowpower <>VGA display. <> <>Allison < <Geez, Allison, If I was a EE god like yourself, I'd grab me a coupla <busted|older laptops and build an interface for the LCD screens. 8^) Humm, I have a dell laptop display and it will take a potload of ttl and ram to make it into a system... the results will be more power hungry than I want. FYI this is NOT for a PC so PC hacks are not the most useful. Allison

27 years, 10 months

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