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by fauradon＠pclink.com

>Well, older southern men in the US used to say, for example, "19 ot 6" >for 1906. So I guess we could revive that in 2006 and say "20 ot 6". But >this has nothing to do with the original question. > Wouldn't that be 2ot ot 6? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

27 years, 10 months

RA82: Does it need...?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bruce, ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RA82: Does it need...? > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 12:21 AM > > Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to > spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the > controller before their FAULT indicators would clear. as far i know, YES. My ra90 spins up without sdi controller, but after few seconds you get an error with soemthing like "sync errors" whitch means there is no communication. then you never get the ready light. hope it helps, emanuel

27 years, 10 months

Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs >>from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE >>and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places. >> >> Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds >>at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't >>format/fdisk for me. The way I understand it, IDE drives should automatically map out bad blocks, (is this true for all IDE drives?) whereas MFM disks won't. Therefore I'd assume that once an IDE drive starts presenting bad blocks to the user its days are pretty numbered... I was once told that a small percentage of an IDE disk is unused, purely for the sake of providing a "reserve" area so that the disk could cope with some bad blocks whilst still giving the user the impression that full capacity was available - is this true, or just one of those stories that I happened to turn up over the years?? cheers J. >

27 years, 10 months

TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted (fwd)

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Can anyone in 'NE' (Sorry, I can't always remember all of your states abbreviations... at least we only have 12. Is that Nebraska?) help this guy out? Please reply directly to him, not me or the list. ttyl srw ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:38:53 -0700 From: COMPASS <compass(a)navix.net> To: scott(a)saskatoon.com Subject: TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted We are looking for a TRS 80 Model 4 to operate an engraving machine (the old one died). Any suggestions? Pete Godfrey Compass Materials Handling Systems A Division of Schuler Industries, Inc. PO Box 714 Beatrice, NE 68310 Phone: 402-223-5678 Fax: 402-228-4193 Email: compass(a)navix.net

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986 or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody have a picture? Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current ports of IE 4.0)? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuil <> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, Assuming the price was affordable I'd drive a good distance. So far I've gone as far as 180miles. For a working PDP-8(any) I'd cross a few states if I could swing it. For an altair... I have one, thanks. I've assembled three of them back when. Have the shirt, been there. I'd look for an IMSAI it was a better machine. Allison PS: periodic request... IMSAI IMP-48 docs, I'm looking for a copy.

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? Simple, as anyone who owns a .30-06 deer rifle can tell tell you, it will be the "double ought" decade. Same as 100 years ago, the first year will be "ought zero". BTW, .30-06 is a US rifle caliber, .308 inches (7.62mm), designed in 1906, or "thirty ought six". 20 years from now, we'll be talking about that old 500Mhz P II made back in "Ought One". Jack Peacock

27 years, 10 months

Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>> - Flight Simulator v1.0 > >Wasn't that a SubLogic product? It certainly was, I have several copies for the Apple II. The funny thing is that I believe that the MS version still had the same packaging. > >> - Windows 1.03 > >What about version 1.0? > Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:52 Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... ><From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> ><Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play ><an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 ><or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. > >First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates >was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was >gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent >language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic >compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. > ><for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren ><ports of IE 4.0)? > >Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. >TRS80: Disk basic. >PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? >UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > >Allison > email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm dont forget about zenix, and msk............ for the people who dont know msk was MicroSofts attempt at setting computer standards in countries like Japan back in the early 1980's, they also reached Australia but I dont know about the States..

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>again XENIX, while not technically MS, a few years ago (3 or 4) there ports >of MS Word and Excel for Suns and maybe HP's. I gather they are also >currently porting some kind of network conferencing software to Linux?!?!?! Yep. That'd be Microsoft NetMeeting. Pretty cool product. Supports video, audio, message boards. They've also got an Internet Explorer port to Sun Solaris and HP-UX. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>- Beethoven v1.0 (the first mass market multimedia CD-ROM) When was this made? How many were made? >- Bob (hey, if you own a Lisa or a PC jr. you need their software >equivalent!) Didn't MS repackage that as something else, like a kids program rather recently? >- Flight Simulator v1.0 >- Windows 1.03 What about Windows 2.11? I LOVE Windows 2.11. Now... if it'd only caught on... >Kai Tim D. Hotze

27 years, 10 months

BASIC 80 Re: Old Microsoft stuff...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I have a brown 3 ring binder that has MicroSoft printed diagonally > across it in large white letters. The binder is labeled "BASIC-80". Inside > it has an 8 inch floppy disk that's marked "Hewlett-Packard single sided > flexible disc". Does anyone know what ssytem it's for? Well, um, no. If you made me guess which HP system, I'd say HP125, which was a CP/M machine built into a 262X terminal body. But I'd be a little bit surprised that it's not dressed up as an HP product. HP was doing that with Microsoft products in the mid-1980s, e.g. the Microsoft Pascal compiler for the HP150. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

Unusual find

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:04 AM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >To keep this on-topic, computer book publishers today will >circulate a dozen or so preliminary copies of a book to reviewers >at magazines for promotional purposes as well as to industry I used to work for a small publisher (long enough ago so as to be way on topic, and we'll leave it at that) where one of my jobs was to make multiple photocopies of a master copy, collate, assemble, and clib them together. They were review copies, and they were done on a small office copier. So, if you come across an older computer book like that, it's not necessarily a pirated copy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

<SNIP> Methinks they also did a port of MS-Word for the AT&T Unix-PC 7300 (A fine 68010 box, BTW). Jeff > > Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. > TRS80: Disk basic. > PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? > UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > > Allison > > > >

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;) At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote: >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck >> are we supposed to pronounce it? > >The noughties, obviously. > >Roger Ivie >ivie(a)cc.usu.edu > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known > forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? > I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck > are we supposed to pronounce it? The noughties, obviously. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

27 years, 10 months

PS to Kilobaud articles.

by jon＠techniche.com

Oh yea Ward, One other thing. I just re-read your message and remember the comment about Laconia. If you're coming to NH you can pick these up. That's where we're located, in Manchester. Jon

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> <Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play <an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 <or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. <for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren <ports of IE 4.0)? Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. TRS80: Disk basic. PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. Allison

27 years, 10 months

"Industrial" XT, Compaq luggables, Misc

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I just acquired an XT with a grey case bearing the logo "Industrial Computer". Seems normal inside. Anyone ever heard of one? I also got 2 Compaq XT luggables. Some 286 RAMPAGE cards Tons of XT and AT parts e-mail me privately if you're looking for something. manney(a)lrbcg.com

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 06:46 PM 6/15/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: >Another microsoft product which I've not seen mentioned here yet was, of >course, the Microsoft mouse for PCs (and later those Microsoft keyboards) Those bus mice? I worked on a friend's machine that had one: A Xerox XT class running Windows 1.0. 640x400x2 mode I believe. Oh yeah, they were called Inport Bus mice, ran off their own 8-bit card. Not a bad mouse for it's time. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

Unusual find

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I gues these are the equivalent of prototypes in the publishing industry. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Unusual find >At 07:19 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the >>advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. >>How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print? > > I rarely see this kind of thing, but I do have a book titled "Marching >Thru Georgia" that was published in the 1800s that has *three* hard covers >on it and all three are a different style, color and material! Inside the >book it mentions that the books are available with three different covers >so I guess this one was a "demo" to show the different cover styles. Also >some of the pages are missing. But they weren't removed since the binding >is intact and even pages that should be on the same sheet of paper are >missing. For example, page 99 will be on the RH page and when you turn the >page page 100 should be on the left but it will be missing and page 101 >will be there instead! Very strange! I've never seen or heard of a book >like it before. > > Joe >

27 years, 10 months

DEC TK-25

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

I've located a TK-25 (w/ tape ) at a surplus house. Was there anyone on this list looking for one? If so, please respond via private e-mail. Jeff jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com

27 years, 10 months

Pen Windows 2.0

by mbg＠world.std.com

I have an NCR System 3130, which is a 386-based system with 8mb of memory and a 20mb hard disk. It also has some sort of PROM system disk (as device d:). I currently have no way of transferring info to and from the machine and would love to find the external floppy adapter for it... Might someone on this list have one laying around, or be able to provide a pointer to someone who has one? Also, does anyone have any technical documents for this machine? When I upgraded the memory and installed a modem, the system would no longer cleanly boot up from the C drive... it gets stuck somewhere in the process while it is still using D:... Thanks in advance for any info... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 10 months

Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:34 PM 6/15/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >No, no. Tube machines were a gas in the 50's. PDP-1's were groovy in the >60's. Pong was ultra-bitchen in the 70's. The Amiga was gnarly in the >80's. And, well, the 90's ... :-( dOOd. Is it just me or do the 90's seem like the 70's and 80's combined with all the really cool stuff left out? Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? I think I have stumbled upon an even bigger problem than the Y2k problem was ever forseen as! - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

Old Microsoft stuff...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as >>an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold >>several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known). > >They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual >(C) 1979, in near mint condition.) They didn't write the original... that was Crowther and Woods (if memory serves). They may have written *a* version... but history doesn't start with PCs and MicroSoft. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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