Hi,
I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather
that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier
machines in the line?
Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into
it ;*)
Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros and
32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old boxes,
they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of view!!
:)
cheers
Jules
Hi,
I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the
advance copy from uncorrected manuscript.
How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print?
Here is what it says on the cover:
This is an advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. The regular edition
will be hardcover. Reviewers are reminded that changes may be made in this
manuscript copy before books are printed. If any material from the book is
to be quoted in a review, the quotation should be checked against the final
bound book.
A final chapter, The Second Renaissance, is not included in this reading
copy. It will appear in the printed book.
Harper & Row, Publishers, New York.
Francois
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At 06:37 PM 6/16/98 +0100, you wrote:
>> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuilt
>> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that
>> you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream
>> too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many
>> miles would you go?
Well, hereabouts, I go 35 miles each way to and from work, and mine is not
an exceptionally long commute. (I know folks who do ~70 miles each way in
traffic.) (Heck, my sister does 60-70 miles each way just for an hour or
two.)
My problem is not so much distance as it is time. I'd gladly do a week-end
trip to, say, Los Angeles (~500 miles), for most anything, if I didn't have
to spend the time a) working, b) with my dad, c) with my girlfriend or d)
sleeping (ha!).
Mostly, though, I send my aforementioned sister to get things for me (she
drove from SF to San Diego, back to Disneyland, and back to SF in about 30
hours -- with about 8 hours at Disneyland and 8 or so in San Diego. 8^)
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At 09:39 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote:
> As for the Sega, Windows CE's OK for what I want it for: Simple eMail.
>No graphics, no attachments. I don't want Windows CE freezing up my game
If all you want is simple e-mail, no graphics, no attachments, why spend
$500+ on a wince machine? Get yerself a 8088/286/386 laptop from ebay and
use a shell account. Or, if you need ppp connectivity, use one of the
DOS-based ones running around.
Btw, everybody, if you're thinking of putting "(OT)" in your subject, DON'T
SEND IT TO ClassicCmp! Those of us that care about new tech are on mailing
lists/newsgroups related to what we're interested in; the rest don't care
and don't want to see it. There are appropriate forums for questions on
Linux, Win95, Wince, Pentiums, etc. This ain't them!
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They're coming out of the woodwork today. Contact this fellow directly
if you're interested.
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On 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT, in comp.unix.ultrix you wrote:
>>From: jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (John Jorgensen)
>>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
>>Subject: was someone looking for a DECstation 5000/200?
>>Date: 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT
>>Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University
>>Lines: 15
>>Message-ID: <6m62lc$d56$1(a)knot.queensu.ca>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: quidnunc.qucis.queensu.ca
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>>
>>I seem to remember a message posted a few days ago by someone who was
>>looking for a DECstation 5000/200. We're de-commissioning a student lab
>>full of DECstations, but I wasn't sure of the model numbers. Now I've
>>confirmed that there are five 5000/200s among the workstations that are being
>>retired, but the original article has been expired.
>>
>>So if there is somebody out there who is looking for DECstation 5000/200s,
>>drop me a line.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>John Jorgensen jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (613) 545 6784
>>System Administrator, Dept. of Computing Science, Queen's University
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53, in comp.sys.dec you wrote:
>>From: gcg1(a)psu.edu (Gary Gentzel)
>>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
>>Subject: Value of DECStation 5000's?
>>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53
>>Organization: CAC
>>Lines: 15
>>Message-ID: <gcg1.47.0025D051(a)psu.edu>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: ggentzel.oas.psu.edu
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>>
>>Our department is considering what to do with two DECStations. Could anyone
>>give me a ballpark figure on what these systems may be worth? Here are the
>>specs, as best as I can tell:
>>
>>5000/125: 16MB RAM, 3-1/2" floppy, BA42 Storage Expansion box containing TZK10
>>tape drive and 426 MB RZ25 hard drive. VR297-DA 17" monitor.
>>
>>5000/240: 32 or 64MB RAM, BA42A storage expansion box containing 426 MB RZ25
>>hard drive and RRD42 CD-ROM. TK50Z tape drive unit. VRT16-HA 17" monitor.
>>
>>Any help would be appreciated....
>>
>>Gary Gentzel
>>Penn State University Administrative Systems
>>gcg1(a)psu.edu
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000, in comp.sys.dec you wrote:
>>From: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com>
>>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
>>Subject: FREE MicroVax II and Vaxstation II/RC
>>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000
>>Organization: None at all
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>>Distribution: World
>>Message-ID: <rqgjbeyqfgqpbz.eullkg2.pminews(a)news.ni.net>
>>Reply-To: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: edtserv.tylerent.com
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>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am scapping a MicroVax-II (TS05/TK50/RA81) and a
>>Vaxstation II/RC with a b/w monitor (VR260AA).
>>
>>They are located in Laguna Niguel, CA. You must arrange
>>pickup.
>>
>>If you are interested, e-mail me at the mangled address:
>>
>>evx(a)world,sxv.com
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Dale
>>Change 'x' to 't' and 'v' to 'd' to reconstruct my e-mail address
>>This inconvience brought to you by the net-scum of the world.
>>
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What did WYSE use in their machines? UNIX, no less?
>
>>>
>>> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port?
>>> Apple - A/UX
>>> IBM - AIX
>>> MS - Xenix
>>> AT&T - UNIX
>>> DEC?
>>
>>DEC - Ultrix ?
>
>Ultrix-11
>Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired)
>
>There's also a VENIX for the PRO series..
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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>| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler
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>There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles
>from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked
>once.
>
>As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the
>nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable)
>instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted
>into plasma.
A friend of mine (through DECUS symposia) who work(ed?) at Sandia National
labs told me about what they did with them...
There would be a pdp-11 down the hole with the device, connected via
Ethernet to another pdp-11 with core, topside in a van. When the device
was set off, the signals from the now-very-fried-11 would race the
fireball up the hole where the data would be stored in core. (The speed
of the advancing fireball could be somewhat determined by using TDR on the
ethernet cable :-)
When the shockwave hit the van, it would go bouncing across the desert
until it came to rest. If was able to, it would continue recording
information. If not, they came along at a later time and pulled the core
plane and installed it in another machine where they would try to read it.
>>
>> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port?
>> Apple - A/UX
>> IBM - AIX
>> MS - Xenix
>> AT&T - UNIX
>> DEC?
>
>DEC - Ultrix ?
Ultrix-11
Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired)
There's also a VENIX for the PRO series..
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
>
>> > Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port?
>[...]
>> DEC - Ultrix ?
>
>Don't forget Eunice! OK, maybe it's better that you forget.
Eunice wasn't a DEC product, though. It was done by the folks who
eventually became The Wollongong Group.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
On www.osnews.com, it turns out that MS put up a Linux server,
linus.microsoft.com. THe fun part is that the next day they took it
down, probably so that no one would notice it was ever up (guess
courtesy of OSNews)
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No, they don't. The Nagant (7.62x 64) has a groove diameter of .310" and
uses a .311"-.312" size bullet.
whoa, didn't know about the Nagant, better check the book next time.
Friend has an old WW I surplus one, I think he's reloading the wrong
size. It uses the .303 Brit instead?
Sunburnt yellow plastic!
>
>John Higginbotham wrote:
>>
>> Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;)
>>
>> At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote:
>> >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates
all known
>> >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the
first decade?
>> >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how
the heck
>> >> are we supposed to pronounce it?
>> >
>> >The noughties, obviously.
>
>Well, the 1900-1909 period is called "the Mauve Decade" in literature.
>Let's pick a new color.
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
>Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
> Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
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> What's with all this rhetorical nonsense about going on long treks to
acquire PDP-8s? Here's a real -8 for some lucky resident of New Jersey.
Long treks? I thought it was only a few hundred miles. Around here
(Mojave desert) that won't even get you to the next town. Heck, in the
right direction that won't even get you out of the county.
There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles
>from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked
once.
As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the
nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable)
instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted
into plasma.
Jack Peacock
<Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port?
<Apple - A/UX
<IBM - AIX
<MS - Xenix
<AT&T - UNIX
<DEC?
<DR?
DEC ported ULTRIX which is close to BSD unix to both PDP11 and VAX.
DR? I don't think so.
which is which?:
Venix
Zenix
Xenix
What and who for those.
Allison
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> Well if you want to be exact, the .308 and 7.62mm rounds are two
>different things! .308 is the commercial designation and 7.62mm is
the
>military designation and the two rounds are slightly different. Many
There are numerous .30 caliber rifles and pistols. I was referring to
the diameter. There is the .30-06 (WW I/II vintage), the .308 (late
50's, early Vietnam vintage, NATO), the 7.62x39 (Russian, Korea to
present), the .30-30 (the famous lever action Winchester of the late
1800s), the .300 Savage (first rifle to exceed 2000 fps, also late
1800s), the .30 M1 carbine (WW II vintage), the .300 Winchester Magnum,
the 7.62 Nagant, etc. All use the same basic diameter .308 bullet.
Anyone ever hear of a Zenith All-in-One ? I can probably get one (damaged)
for shipping costs, but I am wondering if it would be even worth that (a
couple thousand miles).
Thanks,
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
I have what looks like the first MS version, since it has no version
number. Won't run on anything, I think the disk is bad.
>> - Flight Simulator v1.0
>
>Wasn't that a SubLogic product?
>
>> - Windows 1.03
>
>What about version 1.0?
>
>
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Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to
spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the
controller before their FAULT indicators would clear.
I ask because I've spun up my RA81. It sounds OK -- positions the heads,
etc. -- but it displays FAULT and diagnostic LEDs 3 & 4 (I think -- it
might be 2 & 3) once it reaches operating speed. That, of course, is with
the I/O cables flying in the breeze.
Inquiring minds, especially those who are going to make a MicroVAXen
available in the near future, wish to know! ;-)
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<Note to self: Do not, I repeat DO NOT disgruntle members of the classiccm
<mailing list! They are dangerous gun toting mercenaries! :)
Mercenaries, never...unless your going to scrap that machine!
Where I lived in PA the, "2 double aught, 6" would have the 2 dropped as
in the then present reference to 1998 would be back "in nineteen and ninty
eight".
Allison, Who totes a 12ga to avoid ambiguity! ;)
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While we're on this subject. . .
Does anyone out there have a copy of SpeedStor that can access
Storage Dimensions old 8-bit scsi host adaptors? (Specifically, the
DataCannon 800). I'm trying to test an old scsi MFM controller
board, and I need to format the drive, first!
Jeff
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Charles E. Fox wrote:
>
> (I've shortened your quote of my email...)
>
> > > Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds
> > >at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't
> > >format/fdisk for me.
> > >
> >
>
> > I have had quite good results with Ontrack Disk Manager, about four times
> > out of five it will get an old drive going and lock out the bad sectors.
> > The recovered drives have been going in XTs etc. At ten or twenty megs
> > capacity there is no point in trying to install them in modern computers.
> >
>
> Thanks for the tip. I've tried Spinrite and some program I got with a WD
> drive. I believe I got Ontrack with a drive I bought recently. I'll try
> it. I'm afraid it may be beyond that though. The drives are not getting
> as far as reporting bad sectors ... they just hang when I try to format
> them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bjorn Eng
>
>
>
>
>
Hi,
I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs
>from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE
and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places.
Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds
at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't
format/fdisk for me.
Anyone have any tips of things to try as far as simple troubleshooting?
Or are they doomed for the dumpster?
Thanks,
Bjorn
Hello all,
I have found a AT&T 6310 PC box. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Is it
10 years
old, yet? It is heavy enough I'd thought it had a large linear supply in it,
but only a switcher ps! It was made in Italy by Olivetti, as mentioned on
the 6300 thread.
Opening the top reveals a AT type passive motherboard- the CPU, etc. is
apparently on another one in another compartment below it, which I haven't
gotten to yet.
All the cards are 8 bits, except a Mouse Systems serial card which extends about
1/3 way into the "16 bit extension". There is another 2 port serial card and
also a
MIcrosoft Inport card with a mini-DIN connector. There is also a serial and
printer port on the "hidden" CPU card, both DB-25, and a DB-9 connector for
the keyboard.
There is a volume control on the front, but haven't found the speaker, either.
-Dave