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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have that program, and I have only been able to copy something so that the mac could read it only a couple of times. There is a problem of it being unable to copy a file with both sides of the fork used (i.e. you can dump everything into the resource fork, or everything into the data fork, but can't use both. Executor stores the two as separate files, it would be nice if I could tell Mac-ette to use bla for the data fork of bbb and blb for the resource fork of bbb. Alas...) >> ftp://ftp5.info.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/S >> yste >> > m/Older_System/ >> > >> > Of course you need a functional Mac to make the floppies. If you have >> both >> > hard drives, simply make sure the SCSI ID's are set to different numbers, >> > and either leave both in the machine, or copy the 40Mb drive to the >> larger >> > one. Another more expensive alternative would be to get a external >> CD-ROM >> > and a copy of MacOS on CD. >> >> Umm.... If there has any method to build up the Mac Discs on a PC?? > >Yes, there is a free(?)/share(?)ware program named MAC-ETTE that will >format, read, and write the 1.44mb Mac disks. The problem that most of >us non-Mac yokels have is trying to figure out what goes in which fork! > >You should be abble to find it with a Web search. > > - don > > >> Yours, >> Ken Yaksa >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

First personal storage media...

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

At 09:25 PM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote: > >New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) did >you guys carry around to start out with? > [Joel Fedorko] Mid-Late '70s - Punch Cards (80 col) for the IBM box Paper tape for various HP & DEC boxes (with upgrades to mylar in the later years), tape cartridges for the HP2645A Mini Data Station, tape cassettes for a TI? terminal, DECtape PDPs, LINCtape (relative of DECtape) DEC, DG, Varian, Perkin-Elmer, Altair Late 70s early 80s 9 Track tape dominated across the board 8" floppy for micro's Brief encounter with the 96 column System 32 punch card 40 Meg disk pack for HP3000 (forget drive part#, it was made by CDC?)

27 years, 10 months

What is the first computer?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Mechanical: man or motor powered, bars cams, wheels <> Electric: Relays, steppers, solonoids and contacts has logic tree. <> Electronic: uses active devices, tubes, transistors, ICs some types of <> diodes and neon filled tubes. < <A good definition, I could agree, althrough I've seen <Electric and Electronic the same, since a relay isn't <diferent from a transistor or a tube for the effekt <(beside the current). The distinction for the last two is significant from a design and speed standpoint. the design process is very different at the detail level. Allison

27 years, 10 months

First personal storage media...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: CP/M > Likewise the Commodore 8-bitters. In the early 1980s, I was one of the > first in my school (I was 14 or so at the time) to own a floppy disk > (yes, a disk, not a drive). Gosh what memories, did you lug around a box of cassettes too??? Yeah, disks back then were about $5.00 (US) a shot [not to be confused with ammunition in previous off topics, though I can wield a mean VIC-20] for the cheap SS/SD ones. New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) did you guys carry around to start out with? I started with cassettes for the PETs at high school, though not as old as some but still nostalgic. I still have my original first tape, though it had been transfered to a new housing and snaps when a good (assertive?) datasette rewinds it, it is still readable. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

27 years, 10 months

News Article

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

A large circulation (100,000) alternative publication in Toronto has run several Chiapas-related articles the last couple of weeks. for the latest check out http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/feature2.html They are slightly left of center and have a large influence among younger people. ciao Larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 10 months

First personal storage media...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) <>you guys carry around to start out with? <> 8 level paper tape, boces/lirics PDP-8I timeshare system 1969 DECTAPE BOCES/LIRICS PDP-10 (tops-10) timeshare system 1970 MITS ACR casette(300baud), 1975 2400baud NRZ using audio cassette hardware (homebrew)late 1975 4800baud FM using audio cassettes early 1976 DRUM memory (real ugly four track, stored 32kb) NS* microfloppy (5.25 sa400) late 1976 Just a few I've played with... Allison

27 years, 10 months

fire control computers?

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

"Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> said: >Do you have any diagrams of the mechanical fire control computers? Try going to your local Federal building and look for the Goverment Book Store. There you can find many different military training manuals. Look for Navy manuals for Fire Control Technician 3 and 2. If you can find it, it should have plenty of information on mechanical fire control computers (At least they did 30 years ago). I'm sure the Navy still uses these kind of computers on older ships with 5" guns. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

27 years, 10 months

First personal storage media...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 18, 21:25, Larry Anderson wrote: > Yeah, > disks back then were about $5.00 (US) a shot [not to be confused with > ammunition in previous off topics, though I can wield a mean VIC-20] for the > cheap SS/SD ones. I recall being one of the first at the college I worked at then, to own floppies. I remember the price was a few pounds each around 1980, and one local supplier sold them to students one at a time. Unfortunately (for the dealer) not all the staff realised the price was per floppy, not per box-of-10, and a few of us reaped the benefit of that. I still use some of those disks in an Apple ][. > New Topic! Ok people: what sort of storage media (and for what system) did > you guys carry around to start out with? Most of my early computing was done on machines that used punched cards or paper tape, but I didn't often get to keep the cards, and sadly I have no cards or paper tape now. The first thing I carried about regularly was cassette tape (CUTS format). BTW, DECtape is 3/4" not 1" as Jim suggested (slip of the pen?). I still have some, but alas no deck to read it on. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 10 months

ATT 6310

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 06:30 AM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> I have found a AT&T 6310 PC box. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Is it >> 10 years old, yet? It is heavy enough I'd thought it had a large >>linear supply in it, but only a switcher ps! It was made in Italy by >> Olivetti, as mentioned on the 6300 thread. > >Thats a 10MHZ 80286 box which was one of the last Olivetti AT&T PC's. > >Bill > Would anyone like it? Otherwise, I may find a use for it as a case or "parts" set, as radio collectors say (I actually like to build old radios as another hobby), as I don't have a keyboard, etc. for it. It would have to be a pickup, as it weighs about 40 lb, (18kg)! I live in So. California, Manhattan Beach. -Dave

27 years, 10 months

Another Atari Achievement...

by mor＠crl.com

This is one for the, "You can't do squat with those dumb old computers" file... I picked up a book at a thrift today, called, NEW HORIZONS IN AMATEUR ASTRONOMY by Grant Fjermedal (C) 1989. Before I got out of the first chapter I read this excellent little tidbit: "...David Gedalia, of California's San Fernando Valley, attracted a lot of attention by day and night with his 10-inch reflector on a servo-controlled Dobsonian mount. This was set up near the back of his pickup truck on the upper field, and on the tailgate of the truck was a simple 64K Atari 800 computer running a star finding program that Gedalia had written himself. He had all the objects from Messier (the classic catalog of 104 prominent galaxies, nebulae, and other objects identified in the late 1700s) and several hundred other objects from the more voluminous New General Catalog. It was so nice at night to see him enter a Messier number, hit "Return" and listen to the purr of the servos as they positioned the object right in the center of the eyepiece field..."

27 years, 10 months

Help with Mac Classic

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: mbg(a)world.std.com (Megan) > Subject: Need help with Mac Classic > > My partner's classroom received a Mac Classic, donated by a parent. > I've never done anything with Macs, so I need some help with this. > > - Can someone tell me the standard configuration(s) for a Mac Classic? > 68000 processor 1 to 2 megs of RAM > - What options are available for it? > You can add up to 4 megs of RAM assuming you have the extra RAM expansion card if not you have 1 until you locate the card to plug more SIMMs in. There are a few accellerators (such as the MicroMac) but they are not all that much faster when you get down to serious work. No expansion, no color... :/ It will get you crawling on the internet with B/W Mac Web and Eudora though. You can get printers (apple ImageWriter, Stylewriter or Stylewriter II, anything later wouldn't work or a Parallel printer using a PowerPrint interface), external modems, extra drives, some decent educational programs, decent applications (I recommend Claris Works 2 or 3) etc. for it, there is still some usefullness in it. > - Where can I get a mouse (and other hardware) - Do I need a mouse? > Can I get along without one? Barely, assuming you can activate the mousekeys (if the extension is in your system) by pressing SHIFT-COMMAND-[KEYPAD]CLEAR, then you have the keypad numbers to move the pointer and the 5 as a mouse button. I would really recommend a mouse, thrift stores or used computer shops are a good try at first, if not you can find used mice available somewhat reasonably on the internet like in news:misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc > > - Where can I get an operating system for it (MacOS?) > You can download it from the Apple site (www.apple.com) up to system 7... You would be best to get 7.1 (no higher, it will bog down your 68000/4meg unit too much) also available from resellers. System 7 is the minimum for somewhat decent (read painless) internet access. A Classic II is a much more capable machine... :/ > Any and all help appreciated... > Lemme know if you have any more, I still deal with them from time to time at work (I don't think too much longer though I think most of our organization will be color Macs and 'those other computers' soon... (=)) -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

27 years, 10 months

First personal storage media...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:25 PM 6/18/98 -0700, Larry Anderson wrote: > I started with cassettes for the PETs at high school, though not as old as >some but still nostalgic. I still have my original first tape, though it had >been transfered to a new housing and snaps when a good (assertive?) datasette >rewinds it, it is still readable. I too started with cassettes, but in my early years it was Apple II and Commodore VIC-20/C-64/C-16 tapes. A friend of mine (the owner of the C-16) didn't have a datasette. He's pretty artistic; he'd sit there for hours, plotting graphics through BASIC to the screen, only to lose it all when the power was offed. He did have a VCR though, and would record the images on VHS tape. (I wonder what he ever did with that tape, anyway?) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

More stuff acquired

by fmc＠reanimators.org

jon(a)techniche.com (Jon Healey) wrote: > I went back to the surplus store today and picked up > the old HP system that was there. This was not as simple > as it sounds. The system was wired into a 5 bay 19" rack > assemblage. It reads to me like what you got was the *processor*. And I have to wonder, why did you take it out? OK, I understand for transport but you also wrote that there was an expansion card frame (which might have more I/O cards) and other units in the rack. They may not be essential to operation of the processor but they probably do go together. Processors ain't everything ya know. > The item obtained is an "HP 2100S Microprogrammable Systems Computer". > It looks just like the 2100A shown at: www.trailingedge.com > > The card cage is fully populated but I haven't a clue at this > point with what, with the exception that I already know it does > have an async card (with associated moniter) and a GPIB > card (and cable). OK. If you take the top off, the cards in in the wider cage right behind the front panel are the CPU proper (in slots 1-7 I think, with options in 8 and 9 and maybe 10, though I may be off by one or two here -- it's been a while since I looked) and the I/O interfaces. The cards in the narrower cage about halfway back are memory (core) and drivers for same. The not-card-cage areas contain power supply and fans. There should be part numbers and legends on at least some of the card ears that give some clues what the cards are/do. Also the cards themselves will often have part numbers etched. Of course I don't have my books handy so can't post a handy decoder chart just now (and doubt it would be complete even if I did). Feel free to post a list, then sit back and watch us guess what you've got. Given that this one says "Microprogrammable" on the front panel I wonder if it has the WCS (Writable Control Store) option. All that said...the 2100 is a second-generation HP mini from 1972, the follow-on to the 2116/2115/2114 and predecessor to the 21MX that came later in the 1970s. These processors formed the basis of the HP2000 time-shared BASIC and HP1000 real-time computer lines, as well as many other special-purpose computer systems that HP developed and sold. Overall they are a 16-bit two-accumulator architecture; the 2100 is part hard-wired part microcoded with room for growth in the microcode, while the earlier 2116/2115/2114 were purely hard-wired processors. > Anyone interested in trading something for this beast? > > The biggest problem I see is that this thing weights > about 100 lbs. It would be expensive to ship. I'm interested but am thinking that you're in New Hampshire and I'm in California. Shipping is possible but you're right, you can't just toss this in a cardboard box with some peanuts or bubblewrap, so if someone closer by says the magic words ("I'll come pick it up") or you decide you want to keep it I'd say go for it. Besides, I'd want you to go back for the rest of it. Foo, I want you to go back for the rest of it *anyway*. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

Couldn't be more OT if it tried! Re: (OT, in a way...)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-06-17 22:37:02 EDT, you write: << I have a model 80 with built in SCSI that won't survive the next trash pick up! My neighbor just pitched his model 70. I didn't bother to take it out of the trash! I have a LOT of PCs that are a lot older than any PS-2 ever made! Altair -1976, IBM 5100 - 1977, HP 9100 - 1968, lots of HP 9815s, HP 9825s and HP 85s from the '70s. You left out the idiotic micro-channel bus! Joe >> well, so you dont like mca. that's fine, but the 8580 didnt come with scsi built in. the hard drive in it was ESDI. the premium series had built in scsi on the planar. let me correct myself in saying that my model 77 will certainly outlast any IBM-PC compatible machine of its era. please note that i am comparing MCA to ISA here. im not disparaging any other type. david

27 years, 10 months

Old Mac OS.... Help PLS!

by yaksaken＠hkstar.com

Hi there... > Actually you can get copies of 6.0.x and 7.0.x from one of their FTP sites > ftp://ftp5.info.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/S yste > m/Older_System/ > > Of course you need a functional Mac to make the floppies. If you have both > hard drives, simply make sure the SCSI ID's are set to different numbers, > and either leave both in the machine, or copy the 40Mb drive to the larger > one. Another more expensive alternative would be to get a external CD-ROM > and a copy of MacOS on CD. Umm.... If there has any method to build up the Mac Discs on a PC?? Yours, Ken Yaksa

27 years, 10 months

Quarter classics (was: Big Iron Was:RE: Backwate

by franke＠sbs.de

>> >>Hard, I own 2 Robotron PCs (one Z80 CP/M system and one PC Clone), >>but since I live in Muenchen (:), I'm not in the 'native Environment' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>of Robotron clasics. But maybe I could forward your questuons to some >>east German friends. > Well, Hans, I *thought* you had to be Bavarian (Bayerische)!! Either that > or perhaps Austrian because of your signoff ("Servus"). You're the first US citicen to recognize this :) > Will be over again in one year or more. Great - give me a call (or a mail :) and I'll show yo usome of my babys. > Great to have you on the list as I've not seen > postings of yours since the time I had joined last November until recently > I think. I just joined two weeks ago after Sam Ismail pointed me to the list (we had some discusion about VCF - I will come to see it - and other strange things). > Good to have a person in our group who is nearby to the Deutches > Museum who seems to have a very good early computer collection (saw it in > 1994 or 95. Been there four times since '93). You just searched a phon directory ? Didn't you ? Or who told you that I live near the Deutsches Museum ? True, my apartment is just 100m from the (back) entrance. Their _very_ early collection - up to the Zuse - ist quite good, but anything later is crap - or at least the display is crap - I left the museum society because of the computer displays. I'm especialy upset because they have _real_ unique things to show in a _unique_ way, but they just build some junk place. Ok, I have to be fair - the dispaly is quite amazing, but in my opinion they ignored a lot of one-of-a-kind chances just to finish it for the grand opening. Example: they recived a _complete_ SIEMENS 2002, the first fuly transistorized copmuter. Not only the main boxes - they got _everything_ needed to show the machine complete, including _all_ manuals, even spare parts. I think it would have been possible to rebuild this marvelous machine and power it up (ok, once) to show it. Maybe it is still possible, but it has to be done soon - right now several of the old tecnicans are still alive, but in ten years from now noone will be here to tell the story. Oh, next time when you visit the Deutsches Museum, take a look at the Operator desk of the 2002 - you'll find a burned spot, done by a cigarette. I know the guilty one - a friend of mine, now retired, did it while they tried to find a power up problem at the main drum - he acidently left his cigaret at te desk and got so involved that he forgot it - BIG trouble. > Wish I knew enough German to > actually speak it but Bayerische is even harder to understand ;) Amazing - I always had problems the other way. > Gruss! Bis spaeter, Chris Jo bis nacha. Servus Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Need help with Mac Classic

by mbg＠world.std.com

Thanks VERY much, Bill... I am interested... Megan

27 years, 10 months

What is the first computer?

by franke＠sbs.de

>>I never heard of it, but maybe he thought about some >>machine in his time as Imperial Mathematician in Prag >>(1601..1612 - nice history on >>http://www.kepler.arc.nasa.gov/johannes.html >>) - but afaik the idea of calculating machines >>did recive more attention (althrough more seen >>as scince fiction) after the invention of the >>Taschenuhr by Peter Heinlein (15something). > I've never heard of the Taschenuhr. Can anyone tell me more or direct me to > a source of information? Taschenuhr -> fob watch. Peter Heinlein did the first clock small enough to fit in a pocket. It had the size of a big egg. I don't remember the exactr year, but I think it was in the first half of the 16th century. There are a lot of legendary stories around this device - inclundig the one that his whife had destroyed the first one, since she belived that this thing, going tick-tack must be devils work (remember 16th and 17th century was a or better _the_ high time of witch hunting and dark religous belives - Kepler for example had to defend is mother somewhen in the 1620s agains a triel of witchhood). So she destroyed his masterpice, and he let himself imprisson for the next few month in the city prison, to build a new one without beeing disturbed :) Building small time devices had an impact to trade like calculating machines in the early days of this century. Starting from coach clocks for merchants who lead their 'empire' from their coaches, until fob watches. in the 15th/16th century coach clock was an enormous expensive device - even compared th the expensiv travling coaces, a coach clock could cost up to 5 times the coach ! (Like wehn I put a new Server in my old car :) Servus Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Website status?

by cfandt＠servtech.com

Hey gang! Several times during the past week or ten days I've tried to connect to the ClassicCmp website http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp but never seemed to be up. Always got a message after Netscape timed out suggesting the web server is either down or not responding. Anybody know what's happening? Thanks, --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years, 10 months

Location, location, location! was Re: More stuff acquired

by jon＠techniche.com

I think the attached was directed at me.....and deservingly so. The HP 2100S is at my offices in Manchester, NH. We're right across the street from the airport. You could just fly in pick it up, carry it on (yea sure) and be gone in a flash. Jon >At 02:24 PM 6/19/98 -0400, you wrote: > > Everything except where it is! > >

27 years, 10 months

What is the first computer?

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> Ooh! Not so fast! Is it straight, helical, worm or hypoid? Or an >> eliptical gear even? But yes, a gear is easy to rconstruct from its >> wreckage. > > Well, obviously one replaces with the correct type of gear! > >> Some cams and levers, though, have quite tight tolerance >> spikes and notches which it is quite difficult to get right from seeing >> the bent/broken ones. > > Impossible, sometimes. What if a special "hump" on a cam is so worn down > that one cannot reconstruct its shape? Some of the correct "shape" could > exist as aluminum powder. That's what I meant. Tony was saying - and rightly so - that while you can often see what a failed mechanical part was meant to be like by studying the failed component, and can then cut a new gear (the assumption was the gear isn't a standard part) / lever / cam or whatever, you can't possibly tell what a dead chip was meant to do just by looking at it. Likewise you can't tell what the value of that charred resistor used to be... I merely pointed out that with some tight tolerance cams and levers, you have a similar problem - you can't tell by looking. "Difficult" in my line above was a euphemism for "no hope" >> Bearing in mind Tony's, Sam's and others' comments on intermittent >> faults and the like, yes, up to a point. Video is not the only >> exception, though - other things (e.g. disk drives) can suffer >> similarly. > > No, not disk drives. Sure, some analog circuitry in a drive might go sour, > but those faults would result in bad data. With a working drive, you want > correct data, and if you do not get it, something is wrong. There is no > tolerance. With an analog system, you have to expect that the output data > will not be perfect. For example (also a magnetic recording medium), > playing back a signal will never be the same as what was recorded, due to > noise and distortion. True, every word. But if you draw the distinction there - digital vs. analogue circuitry - the comment to which I was replying deserves your reply as well. The previous poster (wasn't you, William, was it?) drew the distinction at a higher level, and said something like "a digital _machine_ either works or it doesn't. Apart from video, the results are either right or wrong. With analogue/mechanical, things can be slightly out but the machine will go on working" Video is another analogue subsystem in a digital machine, just like a disk drive, and all that that implies... BTW, video may not make the change from digital to analogue until actually in the monitor, but the same applies - that which you see on the display is (at the digital level) either right or wrong. It is only when you get to the analogue bit that it is merely fuzzy. Philip.

27 years, 10 months

FS: (cheep!) HP Controller 362

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I've got this Hewlett Packard Controller 362 and have no need for it. Anyone want it for the price of $5+shipping? It's about the size of a "pizza box" workstation, heck, I think it is a workstation. Boots up to something unix-like, has built-in VGA, 2mb memory, and a slot on the front for a 3.5" 1.44mb floppy drive, which I needed to scavenge for another machine. It weighs about 15 lbs. and I live in North Carolina, so shipping might be between $10-$15 depending on where you live. Features: HP-IB Keyboard connector, RJ-45? RS-232 Parallel HP-IB 98624A Card installed in the back, apart from the built-in HP-IB. Powe button on the front. I couldn't test it out too thoroughly, I did have a monitor to boot it up with, but no keyboard. Oh, and there's no HD inside the unit. I guess it takes an external HP-IB drive. If anyone wants it, first private response gets it. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

Old Mac OS.... Help PLS!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

for compact mac goodies, check out www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse i believe therewas some older system software there as well as some interesting programs. be sure to get and run despair.sit; its the best one. lol. david

27 years, 10 months

Old Mac OS.... Help PLS!

by yaksaken＠hkstar.com

Hi there... > If you still have the 40mb drive, set it for an ID other than 0 and > connect it also. Then simply drag the system folder from the 40 to the > new one. This assumes that the 40 had 7.5.x, of course. > > - don Don, Which is 7.5.1 in the 40M HDD... But, if there has any way for me to get a 7.5.3 diskette version?? 7.0 is just.... Umm.... Yours, Ken Yaksa

27 years, 10 months

What is the first computer?

by franke＠sbs.de

>> P.S.: The first calculatin machine might be the one of >> Wilhelm Schickard from 1623. > Johann Kepler tried to build some kind of calculator too I think. I never heard of it, but maybe he thought about some machine in his time as Imperial Mathematician in Prag (1601..1612 - nice history on http://www.kepler.arc.nasa.gov/johannes.html ) - but afaik the idea of calculating machines did recive more attention (althrough more seen as scince fiction) after the invention of the Taschenuhr by Peter Heinlein (15something). Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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