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by thomas100＠home.com

Please forgive if this is an inappropriate way to subscribe and it goes onto your mailing list. I'm not sure whether this server knows to add me or if I need to make contact with a specific individual before I am subscribed. I've been looking around this list for what must be years! Thomas Pfaff thomas100(a)home.com Trs-80 Model 4 lover

27 years, 10 months

CP/M

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:44 PM 6/18/98 -0700, Bruce Lane wrote: > Where did you get the idea that tape is so fragile? I'd wager the ones you >encountered were either of very poor quality or were stored under adverse >conditions (high heat, high humidity, etc). A side note: I've got VHS tapes that are 10-12 years old and still look the same when played. I find that most tapes fail with heavy use, not age deterioration. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 10 months

Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes...)

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

Megan Gentry wrote: > >BTW - another question -- when the Mac Classic boots, it shows the > >smiley disk and I hear the internal HD working. The screen goes >light > grey with a pointer on it. This is displayed for a few seconds >and > then I get the 'Welcome to Macintosh' screen. This remains this >way > for as much as 10 minutes (I didn't wait longer). Is this >normal? The Mac Classic contains a complete System 6 installation in ROM that you can boot from. Sorry but I don't have the docs handy, but I think if you press Command-Option-Shift-X on startup, it'll boot from the ROM. Another way that should work is Command-Option-Shift-Backspace -- this key combination should work on any SCSI capable Mac to supress booting from the default SCSI boot device. Once you've booted, you'll need to scrounge a copy of Disk First Aid or a third party utility to check the hard disk. Do you have system install disks etc for the machine? Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

27 years, 10 months

Quarter classics (was: Big Iron Was:RE: Backwate

by franke＠sbs.de

>>> It can't be as bad as the Science Museum in London, surely. I was there >>> earlier this week, and what a _joke_!!! >> I never been there - hmm maybe I should tak a weekend - is >> there a Website to get the opening hours ? > Well, IMHO, it's worth the admission charge (\pounds 6.50 (!)) if you're > interested in things other than classic computers. But it's not worth it > for the computers alone. > I've been interested in clocks for about 25 years or more, so seeing a > Synchronome working (even if the description wasn't that good) was worth > it. Ditto for a lot of the other clocks (going back many centuries) - > most of them are ticking away... > Alas they've added some of those 'interactive' experiments. While a good > idea in theory, I'm not sure they should be combined with collections of > historical scientific instruments, etc. The groups of people interested > in the two displays would have virtually no intersection IMHO. Hmm. The Deutsches Museum is a 'hands-on'/'interactive') museum since the first years, and the combination of historic displays and learning works fine - at least for me. >> Ok, the 2002 wouldn't be exactly the machine for continous >> display in action, but even if it is just as static display, > No, but fire it up from time to time to show it in operation. Even just 1 > or 2 days a year. Announce the days in advance and the hackers can come > along and see a real machine in operation >> this one time running test ist the best verification that the >> static display is _complete_. >> (In fact, the critical part of the 2002 is the storage drum - >> even back in time when it was new, every power up and down >> had to be guarded by tecnicans - hmm but even here, since >> the drum is a closed device, one could replace it (invisible) >> by a modern electronic emulation... just thinking) > Oh, back the heads off the drum and replace it with a set of RAMs and > counters :-). Keep the drum turning, and demonstrate the machine with > more modern memory (at least for day-to-day operation). Exactly my idea of a display ... Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Back to the Future

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Aha, y'all thought I was being cute with the subject... 8^) I re-watched BttF II the other night, and noticed that in the window of the shop where Marty buys the sports almanac was an interesting item, an "antique computer". (A mac Plus-ish machine.) I'm not sure exactly what year II came out (about '87-88?) but that was pretty insightful, I think. ('Course, they were pretty cool movies anyway.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

COMPUTER AUTOMATION ALPHA-16

by LAAG＠pacbell.net

I HAVE SEVERAL COMPUTER AUTOMATION ALPHA-16 MINICOMPUTERS... THEY HAVE CORE MEMORY AND NO PARTICULAR MICRO-PROC CHIP BUT A WHOLE BOARD OF CHIPS FOR THAT FUNCTION... THESE ARE 16 BIT COPUTERS MADE IN THE EARLY 70'S... ANYONE INTERESTED??? I ALSO HAVE SOME 8" FLOPPIES... LAAG(a)PACBELL.NET

27 years, 10 months

Free boot disks for Lisa

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Heads up for Lisa owners. Saw this on Obsolete Comps. DO NOT E-MAIL ME. CONTACT THE ADDRESSEE BELOW ! Michael Getsey <getsey(a)ix.netcom.com> St. Louis, MO USA - Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 03:24:39 Have three 5.25 inch, double sided, double density disks for Apple III PC. I used these for a COBOL class I had at The Citadel. Disks are Apple III E-Z Pieces Boot Disc, Compiler, and Utilities. I believe I was using them on an Apple Lisa at the time ( 1983 ). They're free for the asking. Send me your "snail mail" address, and they're yours! lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 10 months

Coco Question

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Picked up a cartridge for the Coco t'other day, and I'm not sure what it is. It says "Cat. No. 26-3129" and "Color Computer Controller" on it. Has the card-edge connector where it plugs in, then another, smaller one on the back end. My guess is it's a floppy controller? Also, does anyone know what happened to Roger Merchberger? Seems to have disappeared. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

Old computer books

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Care to name some cool >technology that wasn't driven by capitalism? OK! the usage of fire, the processing of most materials (iron, copper, wood, stone, etc.). In fact, if you say that capitalism is only present when it's called capitalism, then most technologies. All simple machines. The scale. The boat. Most things achieved by the military such as the computer (yes, they were partly bombing Japan for economic reasons, but that's a little farfetched). All nuclear equipment was engineered separately in the USSR. Had enough yet? The printing press. The castle. The book. Writing. At any rate, I'm not saying Capitalism is BAD, I'm just saying it doesn't promote ingenuity, which is true for many other governments. >- John > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

Mac Answers

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

To the person looking for a Mac keyboard and mouse... Before you start getting that 'ol 512 ready to rumble most of the internet software you want to learn about will NOT work on it (save for an older (really older) mac terminal like Red Ryder via a provider's UNIX shell account). Best to go with the SE and the ADB route and get an appropriate mouse and keyboard to get on the net. (though you can get up to web browsing with an SE but without such niceities as pictures and such.) Then such things as PPP, TCP/IP, etc apply. Though You should ask for something like a color LC, Performa, or centris class as they would also let you work with Open Transport file system along with the old system under 7+. :) ============ To the person regarding IDE drives on a Mac 636...

27 years, 10 months

Old computer books

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 12:53 PM 6/25/98 PDT, Max Eskin wrote: > >Here's one: Capitalism, the abode of stupidity, is the crematorium of >ingenuity and creativity. Just off the top of my head. Yuck. You don't know me very well, do you? :-) I'm going to send out the classiccmp libertarian goon squad, who will persuade you to think otherwise. (Non-violently, of course.) It's capitalism and lust for money, power, and members of an attractive gender orientation that drives any sort of start-up, including Commodore and Amiga Corp. Care to name some cool technology that wasn't driven by capitalism? - John

27 years, 10 months

Macintosh II (lisa???)

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 25 Jun 98 at 5:43, John Higginbotham wrote: > >Mac IIx - 68030? > >Mac IIfx > >Mac IIvx (iirc) You've missed out the IIvi as well. For information about Mac specs, there's a great free utility called GURU from Newer Technology at http://www.newertech.com > I'm not sure about the IIvx either, but I do have a Mac IIx sitting here. > Main difference was just a little boost on the proc speed over the Mac II. The Mac II is a fairly lame 68020 system (no fpu, no pmmu) while the IIX (same as IIcx but different form) is a very usable 68030. > Question: Will any nubus card work in any mac with a nubus slot? (I'm > talking standard form, one piece card, not the little two piece connected > jobbies found on the SI/LC etc.) Yes/No. Size can be a problem. Older cards were often full size and won't fit in a IIsi or later system. Hi res graphics cards from people like SuperMac, Radius, RasterOps etc were always temperamental and are often reliant on OS versions and card ROMs. It is unlikely for example that a graphics card from a 68030 would work in a NuBus equipped PowerMac. Lots of people ditched quite expensive graphics cards because the manufacturers demand(ed) so much for ROM upgrades. Accelerator cards, which tend to be full size, can cause timing problems (eg Radius Rocket which is incompatible with AROSE, the system software that arbitrates between NuBus slots!). Ethernet cards would be a safe bet but the rarer stuff (GPIB, video image grabbers etc) would guarantee interesting times... Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

27 years, 10 months

Convergent Miscellany

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

> R. Stricklin (kjaeros) wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Jeff Kaneko wrote: > > > > > OKay, so what happened to the source for CTIX? Did it vanish? Who > > > does it belong to? WHo do you think I belongs to? > > > > I think it belongs to Unisys. They own the trademark, anyway (through > > their acquisition of Convergent). > > That is the legal situation. I know where I last _saw_ a copy of the > source for version 3.51 for the Unix PC (and a copy of the source for > what would have been next, equivalent to SysVR3) , never made it to > SQA), but I haven't been able to contact him in a couple of years of ^^^ What's his name? Where does he live? We can try 4-11. > trying. (CTIX for the regular machines _did_ reach SysVR3 in > production, but that was after the Unix PC was history). > -- > Ward Griffiths > They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. > Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ Jeff +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Disclaimer: | | | | These opinions are entirely my own, and in no way reflect the | | policies or opinions of my employer. | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

27 years, 10 months

macintoshes, part ][

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Ive got a IIcx that ive tricked out with 5meg, mono display, two external drives, syquest 44 meg drive and the apple cd300 drive and a radius rocket accelerator with 8 meg. unfortunately, the rocket accelerator locks up the machine on the second reboot. disabling it lets the mac work at original speed. can anyone provide suggestions? the rocket seems to be temperamental, >from what i can see. david

27 years, 10 months

unsubscribe classiccmp

by wpe＠interserv.com

Off to Montreal for a week.. Figured I'd temporarily un-subscribe for that period, so SPRYNET doesn't get uptight about the size of my mailbox.... I should be back around 4 July..... Will

27 years, 10 months

Quarter classics (was: Big Iron Was:RE: Backwater areas Wa

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:11 AM 6/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Robotron is also a video game ca. 1981-2 (Williams, iirc) that was [...] >>each other. Other, similar games included Sinistar (no relation, and don't >>even go there) and one whose name I forgot that had to do with spiders and >What do you mean, there's no relation? They are both William's titles...and Whups... Sorry. I occassionally get sensitive about my last name, and when I was younger, I was the butt of a lot of jokes centered around my name and that game. (Sinasohn, Sinistar.) >Sinistar is the addition of 2 SRAMs, a different interface board (for dual >joysticks), blitter clipper circuit and an additional sound board for Robotron also had dual joysticks, so perhaps that was the same on both games? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

Coco Question

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>Also, does anyone know what happened to Roger Merchberger? Seems to have >disappeared. You can find him on the M100 mailing list. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

27 years, 10 months

The Beatles

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just found a discarded Packard Bell 486 (I almost left it because the case looked like a 286's). I don't know why you all dislike those things so much, this case is very good. Anyway, when the machine boots, the ROM displays a "Packard Bell" graphic, complete with a 3-second fade-in (if only people paid so much attention to _useful_ stuff). Underneath, it displays, "America grew up listening to us. It still does." Now, this is my question. What does this mean? When was this company founded, and what was their original product? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

Last two days of ClassicCmp anyone?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I got unsubscribed from ClassicCmp somehow. Can someone forward me the last two days worth or tell me where I can get it? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]

27 years, 10 months

EPROM programmers available

by rcini＠email.msn.com

FYI, this guy has some multiple-gang EPROM programmers available. Contact him directly (Mikeooo1(a)aol.com). <PASTE> The Gangpro S I have will enable you to burn up to 32 chips at a time and covers hundreds of device types.Its features are way too numerous to go into but its replacement is selling for over $6000.I am looking for $300 for it.The Gangpro8 will do 8 at a time and covers most device types also. It is self contained where as the "S" can hook up thru a 232 cable with a PC. The one you'll probably be most interested in is an EP-2A-88 by Optimal Technolgy which requires a "personality module" for the eprom type you wish to program and will program 4 at a time. I have such modules for 2716's and 2532's only.I am looking for $45 for that one. </PASTE> Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 10 months

Zuse

by franke＠sbs.de

>>>Since we were recently discussing the first computer, I wondered, if >>>the Zuse was "first", then what is the ENIAC famous for? >>It's main use was calculating ballistics tables for artillery. If >>anyone really cares, I could explain it in detail - but it's pretty >>boring stuff. > For one thing, why is it generally considered to be the first computer? Maybe a very simple thing - since after the war ther was only the Brit/US developents known to the (Brit/US) Scientists, they just didn't know (like von Neuman is always credited for the idea of a seperation of memory and CPU - but in fact Zuse had published this idea 7 years earlyer). It's a bit like one woman, in Florida, asked me around 1992 if I'm from West Germany, East Germany or new Germany *rotfl* Missing information. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Mark 8 pc boards

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 11:04 AM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Allison J Parent wrote: > >> <I've also learned that the printed circuit boards were 2-sided, but had n >> <plated-thru holes. This may have caused problems to IC solder connections >> <making reliability problems. I don't know if this would make buyers aband >> <them making the numbers larger or smaller than otherwise. >> >> Not a problem. The trick was to solder both sides ot use through wires >> as needed. It made the board much cheaper and buildable by home brewers. > >And that approach is cheaper and easier than the tubular rivet that >preceded plated through holes - if you could even find such today :) > Yes, using wires as jumpers is good too. I'm amazed in TV sets, stereos, etc. most all the printed circuit boards are one sided. The problem I saw was with the actual IC pins. Sockets would make it worse. If you don't plan ahead, there might be not enough lead to solder to on the component side of some disk capacitors (resistors mounted on end?), etc. -Dave

27 years, 10 months

Mark 8 pc boards

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've also learned that the printed circuit boards were 2-sided, but had n <plated-thru holes. This may have caused problems to IC solder connections <making reliability problems. I don't know if this would make buyers aband <them making the numbers larger or smaller than otherwise. Not a problem. The trick was to solder both sides ot use through wires as needed. It made the board much cheaper and buildable by home brewers. Allison

27 years, 10 months

Zuse

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Since we were recently discussing the first computer, I wondered, if the Zuse was "first", then what is the ENIAC famous for? Also, has anyone seen any kind of in-depth description of either? I mean, what exactly could the ENIAC do? Has anyone seen diagrams? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

Zuse

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>>Since we were recently discussing the first computer, I wondered, if >>the Zuse was "first", then what is the ENIAC famous for? > >It's main use was calculating ballistics tables for artillery. If >anyone really cares, I could explain it in detail - but it's pretty >boring stuff. For one thing, why is it generally considered to be the first computer? Secondly, what kind of calculation did this involve? Was it a table in the computer or did it involve an equation? What order equation? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

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