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by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when >was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called >QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called >the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. AOL was the company created by the combination of Applelink and some Commodore BBS, most likely the QuantumLink you mentioned. Steve Case was CEO of the Commodore BBS and became CEO of AOL. For quite some time, about half of AOL's subscribers were Apple II and Mac users. Of course, AOL discontinued Apple II support quite some time ago (I know some guys who are still sour about this). I better stop typing now, otherwise I'll get off on a rant about how AOL is always dropping services on the sly and backstabbing their customers. Tom Owad (former user of America Online, now Sysop of Caesarville Online) -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: ] <I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would. ] ] 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official ] than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11). Ah, but according to DEC, it's not even a computer, it's a Progammable Data Processor, right? :-) ] Allison Bill.

27 years, 10 months

Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

It's a user interface. There was a little helper guy, who could be a puppy, smiley face, etc. Not >10 years yet. The metaphor was of a room. You would click on a calendar hanging on the wall to get an appointment book, for example. >What exactly is Bob? I've often see it mentioned, but never with any >background to what it actually does. > >Thanks, >Tom > >Sysop of Caesarville Online >Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

1st Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I would say no more than $10 unless the buyer has no idea what he's getting. >One word: rubbish. i have a mac with the same model number. the mac+ had that >signed case and i think all earlier models did too. as its been said before, >its only worth as much as someone wants to pay for it. > >david > >In a message dated 98-06-30 10:28:47 EDT, you write: > ><< >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the > >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell > >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. > >> Thank you for your help. > > >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

RL02 ID number button

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 29, 21:27, wanderer wrote: > Does anybody know where to get the number buttons (specifically #2 > and #3) for the RL02's, so I can use my extra units as such, or is > there another to let the units know that they should not act as unit > #0 and/or unit #1? The switches are made by Honeywell, and you can still get part of the range >from Farnell and others, but not -- AFAIK -- the covers. I discovered that juciciously placed matchsticks would do the trick, but after a while I got so fed up that I made my own buttons from scrap perspex. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macin

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 30, 18:04, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > Other people insist a microprocessor is one chip only. > > So I notice. But by that definition _none_ of the micro PDPs were true > microprocessors, or at least none up until the 73. The Micro J-11 > processor in the 73 was implemented as two chips on a large ceramic > carrier. Was this also the case with later J-11s? Yes, it is. But if you allow a J-11 as a microprocessor, you must also allow the F-11 (as in 11/23, 11/24) since it too has the complete CPU on one (40-pin) carrier. The other devices that make up the chipset are truly optional. You'd also need to allow the T-11 processor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 10 months

Hang her from the wall

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Foster. > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a lack of etiquette!!! No big problem, if someone doesn't tell you, how can you know? > I had no idea I had posted in HTML. All too easy to get the Micro$oft defaults set that way :-) You're not the first, and surely won't be the last. Nice to see you've fixed, too. Unfortunately, some people (eg some Microsoft wallahs) think it's neat to use HTML. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 10 months

386 w/UNIX jumper??

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have gotten hold of 5 working (and very attractive as well durable) Intel model PSYP3022254DOX machines with 386DX-25 processors and two case fans in each, one behind the front plate (to cool cards I guess) and the other in the normal AT style power supply. As usual, no docs. This is not a problem as most is self explanatory. There is one jumper on the mainboard though that goes in either 1-2 or 2-3 that's marked "Unix", nothing else. Anyone have any idea what this would do? I've moved it but nothing,but I haven't loaded Unix on it either. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 10 months

Sun's new market: Obsolete Computers

by yowza＠yowza.com

SOURCE: THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via First! by NewsEdge Corp. DATE: June 27, 1998 INDEX: [10] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST via NewsEdge Corporation : So much has been said about Java that it probably is lost on most people. Many hear the word Java and recollect pre-conceptions about the subject, be they positive or negative. Most are unaware that developments are taking place. One of the most recent events, excluding disputes between the likes of Sun, Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard over the future of the Java environment, is the emergence of Java-based thin clients. Sun began it all by offering the JavaStation network computer that runs the JavaOS system, an entirely Java-based operating system designed for NCs. Now, Sun is working on JavaOS for DOS PCs, making allowing obsolete PCs to become the equivalent of a JavaStation. The JavaPC software is in beta development, with a preview available from Sun's Java developer's Web site at http:// developer.javasoft.com The final release is expected to sell for about US$100, and it is clear how this product offers a way to use hardware once thought obsolete. It is possible to take a 486-based computer with 8 MB or 16 MB of memory that runs DOS and turn it into a full-featured network computer with a Web browser with full network connectivity. The JavaPC environment runs on top of DOS, which provides such basics such as access to the hard disk and floppy disk, plus the display and basic network drivers. The rest, including all the more complicated network support and the Java implementation, is provided by the JavaPC software which implements the functionality of the JavaOS found on the JavaStation series of NCs. Of course, to run a JavaPC system means being connected to a network since the whole concept of the JavaPC and Java-based NCs is to access Java-based content including Web pages and applications on servers elsewhere on the network - either on the Internet or an intranet. Also, since the JavaPC is designed to run on an Ethernet network and not a dial-up modem, it is aimed at the corporate environment where can provide applications written in Java to be used on the Java-based NCs. In my tests, the hardest part of configuration had nothing to do with the JavaPC software itself but rather with configuring DOS with my network card. JavaPC can work with the NDIS or ODI drivers shipped with many network cards, but I opted to use a free set of network card drivers known as packet drivers which can be downloaded from the Internet and are included with the JavaPC software. After several attempts to get the packet drivers to work with my card, I switched to a different card and things worked without difficulty. Once the network card was configured, I was able to configure the rest of the software quite easily, using an added utility that allowed me to answer a series of questions and have my configuration files built for me. Once done, it is possible to browse the Web immediately, using the built- in Web browser and run some small Java programs installed on my test network's server. One benefit of the JavaPC over dedicated NC hardware is that it allows organisations to continue to use existing DOS and even Windows 3.1 applications and systems. Also, Java-based network capabilities can be added without disrupting existing work. This lets you gradually move mission-critical applications to a Java-based client-server environment. However, the PCs need a minimum 486, 66 MHz PC with at least 8 MB of RAM. A low-end to mid-range Pentium is preferable and 16 MB of RAM is better. Of course, an entry level PC these day is quite inexpensive and would provide more than adequate power for running a JavaPC system. Full information about the JavaPC as well as other Sun Java products is available at Sun's Java Web site at http://www.javasoft.com/ Copyright(C) 1998 THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST <<THE SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST -- 06-24-98>>

27 years, 10 months

ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by bobstek＠ix22.ix.netcom.com

If there are any ProcTech SOL owners out there, I have recently acquired an old CUTS tape from PROTEUS, the Sol User's Program Library. Lots of miscellaneous stuff. If you would like a copy, email your address, or send me some stamps - whatever. A friend is looking for a SCSI card for a a VAX 6000 with VMS drivers. Any good folk out there have one available, or know of a source? Also, I have 3 shrink-wrapped and 5 slightly used DC-600A tapes available to the first person with $5 for shipping. Bob Stek

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes..

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Trust me, I've been looking all over for a Linux port to a otherwise CE device. Linux CE... there are distributions that are small enough and with enough apps to run, but most of them are x86, and I'm betting on a pripority system bus... so it'd be increasingly difficult.. Ciao, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 9:49 AM Subject: Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintoshes.. >Hotze wrote: >> >> Come to think of it, ALL of the Windows CE devices have their OS in ROM. >> *My* opinion is that for UNIX hardware, it's going to be UNIX's biggest >> competitor. Most Windows CE devices run off of UNIX-style processors, as >> that's the only way that they can get any speed inexpensively and with a >> decent battery life. > >So we put Linux on the little bastards. It's in the works for the Pilot >once the thing carries 4Mb of RAM standard (probably a couple months) >Naturally, it won't be exactly ROM'd. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_

27 years, 10 months

NeXT cubes or slabs.

by poesie＠geocities.com

Does anyone on the list collect NeXT systems? I had the chance to see one the other day and now I am hooked... but they wanted 500 bucks for a 33mhz turbo color cube (IIRC...) w/ a 21" sony monitor. in any case, (and i realize i'm stepping in a big heaping pile here) what's a reasonable cost for these systems? after using afterstep for linux, i would love to use nextstep and use the real thing. -Eric

27 years, 10 months

Quix Daydream (mac rom in next)

by poesie＠geocities.com

found this on comp.sys.next.marketplace. follow up with him if interested. -------------------- >Converts a NeXT machine into a virtual Macintosh (can boot either operating >system). This is the latest version and includes original box, diskettes, >printed manual and ROM box which attaches to the DSP port. Was running >PhotoShop and other Mac software without a hitch. > >$375 + Shipping. > >Please respond to buddyc(a)ibm.net > >Thanks. > >Buddy Cox

27 years, 10 months

Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

And, to bring this thread completley off topic, did they have a son or a daughter? What was he/she named? >And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh. > >ca. 1993 I believe. > >ok >r. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am now on AOL and can thus do anything requiring HTTP, FTP, Telnet, or IRC. Of course, AOL does have a nonstandard mail and newsgroups, so I can't use external software for those. >You can recieve attached items now? Last you told me was that you could only >recieve text messages. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jeff Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com> wrote: > Their address *used* to be: > > EXO Corporation > 1265 Montecito Avenue > Mountain View, CA 94043 Shucky darn. I had lunch today at the corner of Montecito and Shoreline. Have to check it out on my way home, but I don't hold out much hope, they're not in the phone book. > There's probably a Taco Bell at this address now :^) No, that's about two blocks north, at the corner of Terra Bella and Shoreline. Thanks! -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

EXO Corporation singleboard?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

27 years, 10 months

UNIX jumper contd

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

by the way Doug's info seems more than correct since I remembered that it also has a 32 bit I/O on and off setting in the cmos and it has two (of the eight) 32 bit ISA card slots. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 10 months

Will CD-ROM readers exist in 20 years?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

They'll certainly be available to junk collectors like us, won't they, given our seemingly easy access to 9-track tape drives, teletypes with paper tape readers, etc.? There are more CD-ROM readers out there today than there ever were teletypes or S-100 machines or PDPs. Doesn't this mean *more* of them will be left for us to collect in the future? Sure, some are cheaply made, but if they're stored and unused, they'll make it. As for discs themselves, I think the "properly stored" admonition that held true for tapes and floppies holds for CDs. Temperature cycling (like the audio CDs in your car) probably does damage. Exposure to high humidity, which can creep in the sides and also disturb the aluminum layer, does damage. Scratches can introduce errors. Writeable CD-Rs are a different story - we can only hope the engineering of the dyes will hold up. - John

27 years, 10 months

OT: Looking for RS/6000 P43

by dwollmann＠my-dejanews.com

Ok, I'm dreaming, but I've got a PPC 223MHz complex here that will fit in an IBM RS/6000 P43 223MHz. If anyone runs into one that's looking for a home, please let me know. That or I'll just unload the board. If I could find a CPU-less box to put this in I'd be happy, otherwise I could have a dual-CPU box. This would make one helluva Linux workstation, no? (yes, PPC Linux runs on it, I checked) <g> David

27 years, 10 months

I'm slightly nuts -VAX as a webserver?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

We're about to see how the NetBSD/vax SCSI-DMA code works... It seems to be OK with SCSI-2 devices. I'm about to acid-test this. Our secondary webserver needs upgrading, namely the Pentium inside still has that old FDIV bug, and the O/S is way out) Anyway, we've got 500 meg of websites on it, and we can't have the server down. So, what other machine around the office has 500meg we can commandeer... Hmm... My MicroVAX has a gig free... Apache is on there... Hmm... You can see where this is headed. The VAX is the only machine with the space available, and NT is still acting funny (And, I'd rather use a VAX and unproven code than NT and known-bad code!) so I get gto give my poor MicroVAX the acid test - Can it play webserver for a day? We shall see. -------

27 years, 10 months

Macintosh II (lisa???)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 05:43 AM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Question: Will any nubus card work in any mac with a nubus slot? (I'm >talking standard form, one piece card, not the little two piece connected >jobbies found on the SI/LC etc.) Probably not. Obvious exapmle: a 68030 upgrade board probably wouldn't be all that great in a 68030+ based mac. Other than stuff like that, though, I think yes, NuBus is supposed to be pretty standard. (And yes, you can put in multiple video cards and use multiple monitors for that starship effect.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 10 months

old AOL disks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This isn't quite classic, but classic enough. Does anyone have old AOL disks they could e-mail me? Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 10 months

"No name" S-100 computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello All, I have been working on a "no name" S-100 computer for some time, and finally have gotten it to work! No name = Godbout 12 slot motherboard. Cards: Ithica Audio Z-80 card Seals 8K ram + Godbout 8K (2102 type ram's) Processor Tech CUTS (Cassette tape) Processor Tech GPM (1K ram + ROM board, 1 2K ROM installed) Vector Graphics Flashwriter (16x64 character display) Homebrew card (Input FFH port, etc) All in a modular blue/white metal box with only a lighted power switch and a reset switch. AFAIK, the parts that were not originally mine were not "abused", but was surprised at how much was wrong: 1) The op-amp in the motherboard active terminator was bad. 2) A cap across 5V in one of the RAM boards was shorted. The 2102 rams on this supply didn't like ~0V power, but TTL address and data signals. Luckily they were socketed, and still available fairly cheaply. 3) 3 other 2102 rams were bad. Some on the "GPM" board were marked only "DS9408" 4) There was a "pready" signal conflict. Don't know how it was run with this problem? 5) Bad transistor in the keyboard. 6) 1 or 2 bad 74367 ic's 7) Bad solder joint for one memory pin on the GPM board. It was OK 90% of the time... 8) Bad 4013 ic in the CUTS board- receive data path. Along the way, built a S-100 test jig that was very helpful - one powered edge connector with data, address lines provided by switches, latches, etc. + led's to view data lines. I could test memory chips one at a time with it, find where cards were in address space, until I could get the system to run with a serial terminal (My Heath H-19) and monitor software for further debugging. Finally I loaded Proc. Tech. Basic5 the first time! That cassette tape is about 22 years old. Also "Lunar". My questions: The Processor Tech GPM board I have no documentation, other than what I've figured out. It isn't that complicated. Does anyone have any, such as what are the ROM jumper choices and dip switch positions. (I've figured out about 4) Is there any archive for CUTS software? In the late 70's when I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, there was the "SOLUS" user's group. The third is more general, what determines the value? Obviously if this was a SOL-20 or in a IMSAI box, it would be worth much more on Ebay as well for collectors. In a literal sense, it is more unique and I have design documentation for the mods I've done, dates, reasons, etc. Quess what would be called the fabric. In some cases that's what has the value. (First prototype, etc.) In 10 or ? years, how will I pass it along "to the next generation"? I don't think any public museum would want a "no name" box, and from the museum threads, doesn't sound like a good idea, anyway. I know no one personally that has these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this list. Those with private museums, will you be collecting this stuff in say 20 years, or will you be looking to pass it along? To ??? For old radios I can consider the AWA museum, as assume it will be around longer than any individual, but they probably don't want a lot of homebrew stuff. The brand names already "restored" radios are too expensive and rare for me, anyway. Thanks, Dave

27 years, 10 months

EXO Corporation singleboard?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > There was an EXO CP/M computer way back, but it used 8" drives and I > doubt that your board went with them :) Could be tha same company, > though. Thanks Don. Can you give me a clue about how way back? Not sure what I will find of use but it might be worth checking out to see if I can find any magazine articles, reviews, &c. (Next time I get to where I can get to the magazines, that is!) -Frank McConnell

27 years, 10 months

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