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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

One word: rubbish. i have a mac with the same model number. the mac+ had that signed case and i think all earlier models did too. as its been said before, its only worth as much as someone wants to pay for it. david In a message dated 98-06-30 10:28:47 EDT, you write: << >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. >> Thank you for your help. > >>

27 years, 10 months

FW: Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I recently posted the following DEC PDP-11 Q-Bus modules up for grabs. <They are apparently Q-Bus controllers for this harddrive or something <like it. Corvus Omminet was a combination fileserver and network. I believe it was in the 1-2.5mb/s arcnet like. Clients were Z80 based systems with their net adaptor or specifically made as clients by corvus. It's high;y likely they made it for PDP-11 use as well. Allison

27 years, 10 months

1st Mac

by donaldn＠interport.net

>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:06:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: escollector(a)heydon.org >X-Sender: kevan(a)goliath.heydon.org >Reply-To: collector(a)heydon.org >To: Donald Newman <donaldn(a)interport.net> >Subject: Re: 1st Mac > > >> A friend recently told me that the Macintosh I own (Model M0001 with the >> autographs inside the case) is worth money as a collectable. Can you tell >> me if this is true and if so where I might get information on selling it. >> Thank you for your help. > >Try sending a message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu This is a mailing >list of many collectors and I am sure there will be somebody there who >will be interested. > >Kevan > > > > > >

27 years, 10 months

FW: Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Found on Usenet. This fellow just wants shipping for what sounds like a neat bit of hardware. Please contact him directly if interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:59 -0700, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>From: Robert Jackson <robertj(a)hayfork.net> >>Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11,comp.sys.dec.micro >>Subject: Corvus Omninet 16 >>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:59 -0700 >>Organization: ELI.NET Leased Newsreader Service >>Lines: 30 >>Message-ID: <35988CEF.7066D98(a)hayfork.nospam.net> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: port-st89.cwo.com >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Trace: news.eli.net 899189639 20997 209.63.55.99 (30 Jun 1998 06:53:59 GMT) >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)eli.net >>NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1998 06:53:59 GMT >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) >>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!not-for-mail >>Xref: blushng.jps.net vmsnet.pdp-11:256 alt.sys.pdp11:174 comp.sys.dec.micro:194 >> >>Hi, >> >>Sorry if these groups were inappropriate for this post, but they were >>the only groups I saw anything useful about Corvus listed on so thought >>I'd have the best chance for a useful reply here. >> >>That said, I was cleaning out some closets a while back and came across >>a very curious box. It seemed to be an external hard drive of some >>kind, but the only connection on the thing was a 3-pin connector near a >>series of dip switches. Looking around the web and Usenet I've come to >>the conclusion that it's a network-shareable hard drive that would be >>useable in a Corvus Omninet system. >> >>It's dated mid-80's and apparently only a 16 meg drive so I don't >>imagine anyone but a dinosaur collector would be interested in it, but >>it goes against my nature to throw anything remotely neat away! >>(Especially if it may be worth something!) It's probably not worth more >>than the cost of postage to send it to someone, if that, but if you're >>interested in the thing drop me a line and save if from the dump! Or if >>you're not personally interested but want to save me from getting ripped >>off (giving it to someone for something like $2 when it's worth >>something more) definitely drop me a line! >> >>Robert >> >>robertj(a)hayfork.nospam.net >>rj(a)tcoe.trinity.nospam.k12.ca.net >> >>remove the appropriate words from the e-mail addresses... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

27 years, 10 months

MicroVAX III Memory

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bruce, ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: MicroVAX III Memory > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 7:01 AM > 1). Anyone got any MV-III memory for sale/trade? no, i don't. But if it helps & IIRC, the module name is MS650-AA for 8MByte, and MS650-BA for 16 Mbyte. Maximum are 4 boards, which results in 64 MByte. (wow ...;-)) > > 2). Failing that, is it at all possible, however messy, to modify MV-II > memory to work? don't think so. I would really prefer to buy the 16 mbyte modules. there are not so expensive, and the KA650 is a neat board (was built in mv3500/mv3600) cheers, emanuel

27 years, 10 months

Corvus Omninet 16 hard drive

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>>That said, I was cleaning out some closets a while back and came across >>>a very curious box. It seemed to be an external hard drive of some >>>kind, but the only connection on the thing was a 3-pin connector near a >>>series of dip switches. Looking around the web and Usenet I've come to >>>the conclusion that it's a network-shareable hard drive that would be >>>useable in a Corvus Omninet system. Hmm, I'd be interested in any info. anyone has on these things. I had the remains of one a while back - someone had grabbed the drive out of it before I got to it but all the controller logic was still there. I seem to remember that it was a useful source of parts - nice solid case and compact toroidal power supply... it's a shame I didn't have the actual drive to go with it and to mess around with. I don't know what would have worked with it, we mainly had Cambridge Ring network gear back then, a few VAX machines, and not a lot else... cheers Jules >

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintosh

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Apart from the ST, which has already been mentioned : >>BBC Micro, Acorn Archimedes, many older portables (Tandy 100, HP110, HP71 >>and HP75 (almost), EPSON PX4 and PX8), there was a model of the Tandy >>1000 with MS-DOS in ROM, one of the Torch machines had a CP/M a-like in >>ROM, HP IPC, Tandy CoCo + disk controller (maybe this only counts as >>Basic in ROM), and plenty more that I've forgotten about > I belive Apple's Newtons have the OSes in ROM. They certainly do boot > quickly and a chip swap is need to upgrade the OS. Yes, but the boot is quite slow. My MP2k needs something like 40 seconds to boot.. Gruss H. (fyi MPs normaly never boot - only at first power up or reset - they just sleep all the time :) -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was Macintosh

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I belive Apple's Newtons have the OSes in ROM. They certainly do boot >> quickly and a chip swap is need to upgrade the OS. > Later Newts, including the eMate, are flash upgradable. A quick boot > doesn't require a ROM OS, though. Flash upgradable ? Huh ? Did I miss something ? Afaik my MP2K still has ROMS not Flash for the OS. Same for the eMate. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

MicroVAX III Memory

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Fellow DEC'ers, I've come across a KA650 (MV-III) CPU board. As near as I can tell from comparing the pinouts of its memory connector vs. the MV-II memory boards I have, it uses specific memory boards of its own. 1). Anyone got any MV-III memory for sale/trade? 2). Failing that, is it at all possible, however messy, to modify MV-II memory to work? Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 10 months

Inventory Control (was Re: "No name" S-100 computer)

by franke＠sbs.de

> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote: >> I've passed an inventory of my collection to some serious collectors in >> the UK. They know that if I cease to be, they are to find all the >> machines on that list (at least). The problem is that many of the >> machines are partially dismantled, and that it's not obvious that the >> large cardboard box of PCBs downstairs goes with the pile of metal panels >> in the spare bedroom to make an image processor/display. > I'm pretty new to the collecting game, but I'm already having trouble > keeping machines, parts, software, manuals, and releated stuff tractable. > I've picked-up some barcode reading equipment with the idea that one day > I'll encode the contents of all of my boxes, and tie it to all together > with a database that include historical info, condition info, and other > notes. > Has anybody already done something like this? If so, can I steal your > scheme? Yep - I'm just start to build up my database with a bar code system as anchor for machine identification and tracking. The Base equipment is a Apple MessagePad 2000 (best thing ever build by appe - AND, thanks to SJ now a oop classic :) with a laser bar code scanner - all machinedate are stored in a cusom programm. Maybe I could changee to leverage or a similar standard database system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by kyrrin＠jps.net

At 00:26 30-06-98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of >specifics on memory etc at the moment) >with "best offer" pricing. Is there a resource around (besides used gear >dealer pages) with perhaps at >least "scrap" value of systems? Don't know if it's any help, but I bought my last DECStation 5000, with a 17" color monitor, for $25.00... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 10 months

ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by bobstek＠ix6.ix.netcom.com

If anyone else is having difficulty contacting me, my address is bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com (Netcom must dynamically assign the @ix??.netcom.com somehow) Bob Stek

27 years, 10 months

Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of Probably a Decstation 5000, if it runs Ultrix. >specifics on memory etc at the moment) with "best offer" pricing. Is I recently received two in trade for a uVaxIII cpu board and 16mb memory board. >there a resource around (besides used gear dealer pages) with perhaps at >least "scrap" value of systems? I've also seen them offered for anywhere between $25 and $240 depending on specific type (5000/25 vs. 5000/260) and on which newgroup it was offerred. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 10 months

Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 29, 18:09, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Subject: Re: Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive > > I've got two Digital RZ23 3.5" SCSI drives I'd like to find some more info > > on. I basically need the specs (cylinder, head, size, etc.) and jumper > > settings. Anyone got anything? I used these settings in my format.dat file for a Sparcstation: ncyl = 772 ; acyl = 2 ; pcyl = 774 ; nhead = 8 ; nsect = 33 ; rpm =3600 The SCSI ID is set by three jumpers next to one of the large custom chips on the control board. The jumper nearest the edge of the board is ID0, the one nearest the chip is ID2. Jumper fitted = 1, unfitted = 0. I don't have any jumpers on other pins. There are some pins on the front, in a 14-pin connector. I can't remember what they all do except that the pair nearest the centre of the drive are for the LED. This drive doesn't spin up until given a Start Motor command, and the DEC firmware is different to the standard Connor firmware so there is no jumper setting to control this. > > I think the original manufacturer was Conner. It also has the model number > > 3100D, which I think is a Conner drive. It is. > And Conner was recently bought by Seagate, which has a pretty informative > web site. Try looking it up there. The diagrams there, for the "obvious" Connor equivalent, are mostly correct for the RZ23, IIRC. That's where I originally got most of the information, a couple of years ago. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 10 months

more random bits need new home

by pcoad＠ncal.verio.com

Due to the volume reduction act of 1998 I need to find homes for a few things which I can't use but others might find useful/interesting: 1.) Box of 8 inch floppies unknown condition: a.) digital software (BA-M386A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN MATH RX2 b.) digital software (BA-M471A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN SORT RX2 c.) digital software (BA-M470A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN COMM RX2 d.) digital software (BA-M469A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN LIST RX2 e.) digital software (BA-M387A-BA) WPS-8/DECMATE V2 BIN BASE RX2 f.) digital software (BA-S968B-MA) ALVTAB0 DECMATE SYSTEM TEST REPLACES: AS-S463A-MA g.) hand labeled intel "SA/FT/FMS Priam Interface, SMD Interface for updated byte/serial PCB's" h.) hand labeled Dysan "Backup of Priam test programs" The box is one of those that can be attached to others of the same type. Manual and labels for box included. Whoo-hoo. 2.) IIT 2C87 "Advanced Math CoProcessor". That's right, this is basicly a 80287 math coprocessor. This particular model is suitable for 10 MHz or slower 286 machines. The box is still shrink-wrapped if that turns you on. Includes free ComputerLand sticker on the side of the box. The box says that this "features a power-down sleep mode. In active mode it consumes 25% less power than other coprocessors." Speed up those 1-2-3 recalculations and floating point intensive tasks! 3.) MS-DOS 4.01 (ACBEL Technologies version). Includes box, 6 5.25" disks, 2 manuals (Microsoft MS-DOS User's Guide $ User's Reference and Microsoft MS-DOS Shell User's Guide). The box and manuals are black and white, but the disks are green. Go figure. 4.) Farallon PhoneNET nubus card. This one has AUI and 10BaseT connectors. It may work, it may not. I have no way to test it. 5.) Apple Ethernet nubus card, I believe. Has AUI connector without the funky slide locking device and a BNC connector. Connect your Mac II to your home network. Untested but big. Make me an offer. Trades of random old/cool/strange/small Sun stuff preferred, cash accepted. I don't expect much for these. Everything is As-is. The first person to make a deal for more than one item will get a free copy of "Inside the Amiga" by John Thomas Berry. Thanks, --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html

27 years, 10 months

OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac Classic prob (was

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Certainly my 11/83 is a micro/mini/as fast as an VAX-11/780 so I'm not su <whether its a micro/mini/super-mini :-) 11/83 is fast but it's still pdp-11 and VAX-11/780 was 32bit while raw MIPS the 83 is up there, addressing a 15meg database would clearly seperate the two. Allison

27 years, 10 months

ProcTech CUTS tape & VAX 6000 SCSI interface & DC-600A tapes

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Bob and all, At 04:19 PM 6/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >If there are any ProcTech SOL owners out there, I have recently acquired >an old CUTS tape from PROTEUS, the Sol User's Program Library. Lots of >miscellaneous stuff. If you would like a copy, email your address, or send >me some stamps - whatever. > Yes, I'm interested in the CUTS tape. I've found the article on Newett Awl's "Choo Choo" for the VDM/Sol. Your idea of the CD as a program audio source sounds interesting, too. The email I sent was returned with a warning so far. Please give an estimate for the tape- duplication costs, etc. Is <bobstek(a)ix22.ix.netcom.com> correct? -Dave

27 years, 10 months

In 10+ years... Was: Re: "No name" S-100 computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 10:30 AM 6/29/98 -0400, Chris wrote: >Keep an eye on this list as I would imagine (and hope) it will be still >existing in some sort of form 10+ years from now. (Let's not go into the >depths of speculation as to how exactly this list will still exist. Who >knows exactly? If it indeed does not, by following it we will see its >evolution toward whatever its destiny) During that period anyway, I would >think either you would gain collecting relationships with others here and >find someone you feel comfortable with selling/passing it to, discover >museums who actually are interested in preserving "homebrew" or no-name >machines or even find some other worthwhile destination. > >Incidentally, I think you meant by the statement above, >">... I know no one personally that has >>these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this >>list." >that you mean _two_ _separate_ types of groups: speculators and us on this >list? ;) > Yes, you are correct, I was referring to 2 groups. I know no one in person on this list yet. This is much less clear for old radios where the dealers or resellers seem to way outnumber the collectors interested in the history or technology or the builders or repairers. Look at the prices now for the first transistor radios.. >>For old radios I can consider the AWA museum.. -Dave

27 years, 10 months

Reading PALs

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, Though perhaps not strictly on-topic, is there any way to read PALs, short of buying a hugely expensive "universal" device programmer? I have several things that have PALs in, and I want to read them somehow to help me figure out how they work. On a slightly different subject, has anyone written a program to dump the BIOS of an old (or new, I guess) PC to disk? -- Mark

27 years, 10 months

mitsubishi laptop problems

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

a friend essentially gave me a mitsubishi MP286L which is a 286 laptop. it has a phoenix bios, but is posting with a bios checksum error. it will boot off a floppy however. i think i hear a hard drive spin up, but is not being recognized. i cannot remember how to get to the setup utility and aol's browser is unusable to search with. any ideas? david

27 years, 10 months

Price guidelines... (DEC in particular at the moment)

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

Hi folks, I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of specifics on memory etc at the moment) with "best offer" pricing. Is there a resource around (besides used gear dealer pages) with perhaps at least "scrap" value of systems? Thanks.

27 years, 10 months

Phoenix area collectors?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I got this request from someone who visited the Vintage Computer Festival web pages. Heads up Phoenix area collectors. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:29:08 -0700 From: Richard Miller <dkmiller(a)microarch.com> Are there any other members/collectors in the Phoenix area? I would enjoy getting together with other collectors. Richard Miller

27 years, 10 months

Overhyped Innovations (was Re: OS's In ROM's (was: Re: Mac

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

heh, i remember everyone was decrying the system requirements. 486 and 8 meg recommended. i only had a cursory look at it, and seemed lame from the start by having a cheezy cartoon dog tell you what to do! of course, they've continued that legacy with the paper clip help in ms office. just give me regular F1 help and i'm happy. of course, if i could find a copy, i would keep it along with my other failed collector's items like my pcjr and apple ///. david In a message dated 98-06-29 15:54:46 EDT, you write: [BOB] << It was too cutesy for adults to use and too insulting to the kids. It assumed a lobotomized user, had a very slow and clumsy interface, crashed a lot, and flopped horribly in the marketplace. And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh. ca. 1993 I believe. ok r. >>

27 years, 10 months

old AOL disks

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-06-29 16:54:35 EDT, doug yowza put forth: << I don't know about that, but I think the first AOL client was a GEOS program. I've got a copy running on my GRiDPAD 2390 (aka Zoomer) that says (C) 1993, and has no version number. (Don't ask me for a copy. Besides copyright issues, it would require that I figure out which GEOS runtime components are needed). >> well, aol 1.5 was based on the geos runtime kernel, but didnt require geos. david

27 years, 10 months

Info wanted: Digital RZ23 SCSI Drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I've got two Digital RZ23 3.5" SCSI drives I'd like to find some more info on. I basically need the specs (cylinder, head, size, etc.) and jumper settings. Anyone got anything? I think the original manufacturer was Conner. It also has the model number 3100D, which I think is a Conner drive. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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