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by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I was recently moving some things around in the basement, and ran across a couple of control panels I picked up many years ago. I have no idea what they're from, but I'd like to know. If you think you can identify them, please take a look and let me know. They're on my web page under "Classic Computers/Unidentified Technological Artifacts". Any help would be appreciated! -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

27 years, 11 months

Wang Thang (Forward From blindpete@stratos.net)

by blindpete＠stratos.net

Hi Dug Sory I havent been able to reply sooner, I got burried under in email, like a thousand messages. It takes me a while to go threw. Yah the power failure is a problem, I would write the note and save it to disk on a flopy, so I would have lots of notes to go threw. I didn't loose any data this way, but am not sure what the power failure did to the system files. It always booted in to the wordprosessor so I don't think power outage effected the software. It took a few days of thinking to figure out how to repair the broken pin on the CPU, since I couldn't solder something that small. I didn't think it would work, and was trying to find a new CPU for it, well, it worked so I was spaired that. Also, I got a new piece of equiptment, it's a little box about five inches square and about one and some inches thick. It has a cable whith a DB 9 feemale conecter on the end of it. It's a Double talk synthasiser, Thought I'de sneek that in on you. I have been bissy whith configuring software on a notebook computer to make it talk. You can hear what it sounds like if you have a wave player, there are some wave files and other info about the doubletalk at: www.rcsys.com The cool thing about the doubletalk is the text to speech conversion is done by the doubletalk itself, so it doesn't use the computer's CPU to do that. Some of the text to speech software takes about 300K of conventional memory, this is a painfully slow way to use synthasisers whith computers. Another part of making the computer talk iss a screen reader program, this is what I was configuring , or trying to configure. What the screen reader does is it sends what is on the screen to the synthasiser to be spoken. The screenreader also does more things, but that is the basic thing it does. If you want to experiment whith a screen reader and don't have a synthasiser, I found one that uses the computer speaker to speek threw, I like this one because it installs itself and is easy to use, it's called seekline screen reader. Seekline has some drawbacks mainly the conventional memory usage mentioned abuv, another problem is seekline doesn't recognise non ascii characters on the screen, I don't know what these are since I can't see them. This is a newsence when you are in some setup programs, because when seekline sais press nonascii to exit, it is unknown what key to press. Aside from that seekline is a great little program. If you wnat to try it out it lives at: http://world.std.com/~speechfb The downloadable Seekline screen reader is shareware, one file about a meg or more called sl.exe works in dos. I have been trying to get people to try some of the screenreaders to get some feed back on what they think, I am not doing a servay or any thing like that, I am just curious about what people think. So if you have some extra time let me know what you think., I just thought of some thing, maybe you could install it on the Wang computer, it just might talk threw the computer speeker. I didn't know about seekline when I had the wang but if it worked in it I would have kept the wang. Befor you install seekline run the installation on a computer whith a monotor, so you can see what the menu choises are, seekline doesn't modify config.sys or autoexec.bat what seekline does is it writes a start.bat file in the seekline directory it writes to the hard drive. I forgot the 5.25 flopy problem, oh well, it was just a thought. Well, write me soon! Pete Persuric Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

27 years, 11 months

hard drive data recovery

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I'e thought about making a plastic (perspex/plexiglass) box with the < fan/filter from a demountable drive (I have that sort of thing in my junk < box) to blow clean air into the unit. Then take the drive apart, fix it, < put it back. A plastic box with a blower and a HEPA filter from one of these new vacuums to put clean air in the box at positive pressure. The front would be clear with rubber gloves to allow reaching in. level of clean can easily excees class 100. Adaquate for sophisticated drive repairs. < 1) Open up a drive, repair it in a minor way (say replace a pre-amp chip < on the flex cable, replace the end stops, that sort of thing), and have < it run long enough to get the data off it. I've done this on at least 4 micropolus 1325s (rd53, 71mb) that had gummy end stops and one that had a misset end stop! none have been under special conditions described. I also have a st506 that I put a plexi cover on about 10 years ago, still runs though not currently in use (has CP/M on it). < 2) Open up a drive, or several drives, and move parts around, including < heads and platters, to make a working drive that'll run for quite a long < time. Long enough to think of installing it in a classic computer that I < was using. Never considered this. though I have several I could experiment on. < < Doing (1) means you have to be able to align heads, etc, over the < existing tracks on the media. Doing (2) probably requires a lower dust < particle count. Not really. < > filtering, or is it absolutely required? Can a drive be opened in room < > air and be worked on without introducing dangerous dust particles onto t Look at the air flow and realize that dust on the platter is suffering from centrifical force of the platters at 3600 rpm. There is an amazing amount of moving air trying to send everything to the periphery! < > Why can't they make a hard drive that's crash proof? Even if the < > mechanics fail, can't some hardend substance like glass be layed over th < > platter so if the head did crash it would only scratch the glass? Then < < Remember that as data density increases, you need to lower the flying < height of the head. That's why demountable drives have a lower capacity th < winchesters of the same period. The demountable has to have a higher < flying height due to the fact that it's 'dirtier'. All true but... the newer drive are plated metal (cobalt and nickle are hard!) and some of the substrates used are ceramic and even glass for rigiditity. < The old drum stores had fixed heads. The height was set by the screw < mounts of the heads - and in general it was quite high because of < mechanical errors in making the thing. The flying heads of the hard disks < meant that the head would follow slight run-out in the platter, allowing < a lower flying height and higher density. The problem there was bearing runout, the concentricity of the drum and it's size setting up mechaical vibrations. Later drums would float the head on a spring and didn't suffer many of the problems as they could float. < For this reason, I think it's possibly realistic to consider working on < 50Mbyte and below - maybe up to 100Mbyte - winchesters at home, given a < clean box. I personally feel that the 1.2Gbyte 2.5" units will not be < capable of being repaired in a clean box, though - the flying height is < just too low. But I'd love to be proved wrong. I ran an old 320mb 3.5" conner with the cover off as it would not seek to home track without help. ran like that for several hours while I copied it. It's internal airflow from the platters rotating were quite impressive. Like I said in an earlier mail, all these drive have internal filters that take advanatage of the airflow to capture any dust that makes it in. Allison

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there??? I have about 20 - 30 computers, about 15 monitors, and documentation for about half of the units. Mostly 8-bit systems and some Macs. I've got a pretty meager collection in comparison to most of you guys. :-) The pickings just aren't as good here in South-Central PA. Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-07-12 10:21:45 EDT, you write: << >I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there??? > > Michael Sheflin > >> My last official count which was last fall, put me at 83. i have ~100 now, of which a few are going to a local radio rally next weekend. hopefully, i'll also be given a complete working mac si system. david

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there??? Michael Sheflin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

hard drive data recovery

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< However, a book on metal casting at home (did I mention I have other < insane interests...) mentions that vacuum cleaner motors produce a < reasonable pressure, but not that much air flow. It suggests a better < choice is a car heater fan motor. Those are also easy and cheap to get, < of course. It would, however a glove box of 8cuft (2x2x2) would not require much air flow once "cleared" and the remaining air needed is only that required to provide some trivial positive pressure to then insure clean air flows out and dirty air does not get sucked in. For that volumes in the 2-10cfm level is all than is needed. the positive pressure needed is on the order of 0.1" water. A vacuum motor is if anything over doing it as they are in the 200-500 cfm range. < Yep... That's the drive I rebuilt over the air stream from the RK07 :-). I've done a bunch of them and I just clear my work area and go to work. For the paranoid a vacuum with a hepa filter on the output blowing down on the work area might be in order but take care to not stir up dust. < I think it's going to be important to be able to do this in the future. < They'll come a point when there are no (say) Micropolis 1200s working, < but enough non-working ones lying about to be able to be able to make 2 < or 3 into a good one. A glove box is trivial to build. I'd use a 25 CFM blower and a small hepa filter and the box could be made with LEXAN (clear plastic) glued with RTV and cleaned well. the front would be a curtain of 6mil poly with velcro holding it to the edges. Holes would be provided to allow reaching in with plastic gloved hands. The hole to not have to be air tight around the gloves and the positive airflow in in the box would insure air flows out. Hint: filter is on the output side of the blower forcing air into the box and the outflow is through a coarse filter to limit outflow. < For that reason, maybe we should start keeping dead hard drives.... To perfect technique. Getting the right tools is half the battle. < Sure... I was pointing out that fixed (not sprung) heads -> higher flying < height (due to runout) -> lower density. Not that drums are always low < density devices. understood. Keep in mind the old fixed head drums were mecanically crude devices and magnetics were not well understood as yet. < I wonder why, therefore, that service manuals on winchesters always say < that you can't work on the insides of the HDA outside a clean room < (which, by implication, you don't have). Even when the same manufacturer < made demountable drives and did include instructions for head replacement < on those. Because if you making 500-1000 drives a day tossing 10-20 for damage due to someone sneezing is far to costly. Also they have to insure they are clean. But the level of clean needed is low. A hair net, nylon dust free gloves, no facial hair and a dustmask over the nose and mouth would eminimate 90% of human sources. Also not putting finger prints or other debries on the disk is a must as rag wiping is already far to filthy. there is care and there is paranoia. For example did you know that ESD is damaging to magnetic media? If you deliver a hard spark to the plated media you may pit it some or at least remagnetize a small area, disaster for servo tracks. FYI/note: Why do ALL drives spin up then load the heads? It's to allow the airflow from the spinning media to establish the clean airflow inside the drive. Also any dust on the active portion of the media spins off the media and is then captured in a filter. Allison

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

for the most part that's close, I do have some that have cost me in the hundreds (200to400) per machine. Lately I have been getting alot of free items from people that find out I collect old machines, a old Lawyer friend called my last week and asked her to pick up some items he no longer wanted. I have not seem any of it yet, but on my next trip to Texas I get to see then and I will give an update on these new finds here. I get about one call a week here and I have not put an ad in the paper yet. So as always tell everyone you meet that you are a collector and see what happens it cost nothing to spread the word this way. John At 01:39 PM 7/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > >> counting computers, printers, monitors, and ext drives I'm over a 1000+ >> items. John > >And at an average cost of about $5 each, right? That reminds me of the >dilemma I faced when I was buying my first new car: I could either pay >$10K for the new car, or I could get a fleet of 50 old clunkers and start >my own taxi business. :-) > >-- Doug > > >

27 years, 11 months

Rare vs. Desirable

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Were does one find this Newton Classifieds ?? I was just referring to <comp.sys.newton.marketplace>, but I don't like to use those newsgroup names when I'm writing in English and not USENET. :-) Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

Rare vs. Desirable

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>> I beleive just about all the Newton Messagepads were done in clear >>cases and they're really not _that_ uncommon. You'll see them for sale >Nope... I don't recall any clear MP's, except maybe a few special ones that >I've forgotten about... The eMate 300 is the only Newton I remember that >had a clear case. And if I think hard, I am beginning to recall there might >have been a few 100's or 110's with clear cases. They may not be uncommon, >but they aren't common either... Much fewer than the so called "rare" Woz >edition Apple IIgs computers. I don't mean in general production. I know I've seen 100's, 110's, and 120's advertised, not sure about 130's. I know I haven't seen any MP 2000's. There's an _excellent_ web site devoted to rare Newtons. I lost the url, but a search should bring it up without much trouble. >Never heard of wood ones. Ouch, I got a splinter from my MP... :-) And I >think there may ahve been 3 or 4 colors for the prototype eMates. I think >I've seen two different colors. As for MP100's, $50 is the max they should >be selling for. I saw someone trying to sell one for $300, and it really >doesn't make sense until you see all the extra memory cards, the larger of >which can cost a LOT of money. When Apple discontinued the Newton a few months back there was a small protest held by Newton users and developers at Apple headquarters. At this Apple past around wooden Newtons for the people to look at it. I don't know if any have been released outside the company, though it wouldn't suprise me if some disappeared during the rally. >I haven't heard that. You can always paint them, but why? There was the >beige used on the 128k through the Plus, and starting with later Pluses and >SE's, they went to a greyish color they call platinum. And there was the >MacTV which came in a black case, and the PowerBooks which came in platinum >or black depending on the model. I've never heard of a Mac II or LC with a >clear case, unless they were custom made cases for specific applications... There were a few Powerbook 5xx's done in white. These are _very_ rare >from what I understand (I've never seen one advertised, at any price). Anybody have a information on this unit? A picture? Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

hard drive data recovery

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sure! I certainly have quite an aura of dandruff around me. Once, I opened up a 44MB hard drive because it wouldn't work (still don't know what's wrong). When I was closing it, I noticed that it had dust on the platter. After wiping it many times, blowing on it, etc. I found it was impossible to get it really clean. >Just the mositure droplets from your breath ot the dead skin and hair >from your >body is enough to screw it over. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

LCD repair

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have no experience with this, but I am willing to bet that it's the ribbon cables that go from the circuit board to the LCD. I've known them to cause this. First, check that the glue or tape that holds them to the board didn't undo itself. If not, I have no idea how to replace them, since they are attached right onto the LCD panel. >No high voltage on an LCD, it's a low volt device that the presence or lack >of voltage causes the cystals to align or scatter, causing balck or clear. >There's two types and I don't need to go into the diffs in field effect and >the other. > >Your outlook on what might be at fault is good. This is one of those things >that someone that does this a lot could probably snap their fingers and have >the answer. I personally haven't had that much experience with that machine >and would have to dig in the schematics and do some hands on to try to >isolate it. > >Doug Yowza wrote: > >> OK, hardware gurus, how about some remote diagnostic help: PowerBook 160 >> (my first and only Mac), a bunch of black vertical lines of varying width >> on the LCD (different patterns on the two panels that make up the >> display), but otherwise the display looks good (all the bits in the right >> place). >> >> Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable >> problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ? >> >> I have a volt meter, a logic probe, a fear of high current, but I enjoy >> the occassional high voltage zap. What's my next move? >> >> -- Doug > > > >-- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ UIN #1714857 > AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

As I've said before, I think that getting the battery to work correctly will solve your sad mac problems. I was able to temporarily recharge the battery by taking an old power cable, plugging it in, and touching the cables to the battery terminals. It blew the surge protector a couple of times, but eventually, I was able to power up the mac. However, this will eventually wear off and the mac will cease to work again. When this happened to me, I decided to rebuild the battery, so I took it apart and left it on my shelf for a few months while the mac ran off two AC adapters. Then I decided I won't rebuild the battery after all because it would cost $30 to buy the cells, so I put it back together and reinserted it into the mac. The two AC adapters were still plugged in. After several weeks of sitting on this intensive overvoltaged charge cycle (during which the machine still worked), the battery is as reliable as it should be. I haven't tested it in fear that it might not recharge too well again, but the portable runs for 15 minutes at least w/o wall adapters. >I've heard of people rebuilding them also, though I have never tried (I >don't currently own a Portable). > >Tom Owad > >-- >Sysop of Caesarville Online >Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by fauradon＠pclink.com

86 computers at the last count 18 video consoles 6 hand-held games 456 game cartidges lots and lots of software and manuals Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon >I was just wondering, how many computers do all you have out there??? > > Michael Sheflin > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

27 years, 11 months

Rare vs. Desirable

by guerney＠uq.net.au

>What is it with Apple and clear plastic cases anyways? I think I remember >clear plastic Apple ]['s at dealers. Did Apple do this for all of their >models? > I have an Apple ][ disk drive in a clear (orange) plastic case in front of me right now. The plastic itself just wraps around the top and two sides, with the back and bottom being grey plastic. It is a standard size isk ][ drive, badged on the back Apple Computer Ltd, Holly Hill Industrial Estate, Cork, Ireland just like the two other regular Disk ][ drives I have. But the plastic itself has no markings on it, so it MAY have been put on by an earlier owner. Phil Guerney - Brisbane, Australia. guerney(a)uq.net.au

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable questions

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:02:36 PDT, "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>I have the feeling this is the early version, because mine is the later >>backlit one, which has no dip switches. The sad mac code could very >>easily be due to a power problem. It will sadmac if there isn't enough >>power. Note that running off the portable AC adapter is _not_ enough. >>You need an additional .5 amps, whereever you get it. Why is that? Who ever heard of a battery charger for a laptop being *just* a charger? So, if I hook-up a known-good battery power source of similar amperage to the internal battery slot, I should be good to go. Thanks. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 11 months

LCD repair

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Doug and all, At 10:39 PM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >OK, hardware gurus, how about some remote diagnostic help: PowerBook 160 >(my first and only Mac), a bunch of black vertical lines of varying width >on the LCD (different patterns on the two panels that make up the >display), but otherwise the display looks good (all the bits in the right >place). > >Video RAM? LCD controller? Cable problem on the laptop side? Cable >problem on the LCD side? Bad LCD? Repair FAQ? > I have seen vertical lines on LCD's, one or more pixels wide. These were swapped in a repair shop, so thought there was some ESD damage to the drivers on the LCD module. The lines were still there when the cables, controller were switched. The rest of the display still worked OK. It may have bad contacts to the LCD electrodes, as well, this could give the same effect, although open contacts may leave the addressed line "blank" not black. -Dave

27 years, 11 months

EISA question

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Am I nuts or is it possible to use 8 and 16 bit ISA cards in an EISA slot? This is my first hardware level adventure with an EISA machine and right now it has EISA controllers and open slots, that I would love to put certain ISA cards (sound for one) into but while I'm reasonably sure, I don't want to risk blowing anything up. I've been under the understanding that EISA was backward compatible with ISA. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN" * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 11 months

Apple & Commodore questions

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:34 AM 7/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >He probably is just referring to the amount of memory it has and is >clueless enough about the machine that he would call it that. I'm >positive its just a plain old C64. I know this was brought up before, but I never heard a clear answer: What's the difference between a C64 and a C64c, apart from the C128-ish case design on the C64c? I heard rumors that it had better sound chips or something, and all the Commodore dealers (not many left) that I have seen advertise the C64c for about 20% more than the standard C64.

27 years, 11 months

Curious card - MicrComm

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> wrote: > Anyone ever heard of a full length 16 bit ISA AT type card that has > amonst all the componets a Motorola 68000 (16mhz) processor? It says > it's made by Microcom, Inc....made in USA Microcom makes modems. Maybe other datacomm stuff too. What kinds of connectors are on the back plate? I have a full-length ISA 8-bit card here with a 68000 on it -- it's a Telebit modem. I'm not sure whether it's a T1000 or a TrailBlazer Plus though. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 11 months

Curious card - MicrComm

by KFergason＠aol.com

Probably not a compatibility thing, more likely a co-processor board of some sort, like the Definicon. Kelly In a message dated 7/11/98 10:20:42 PM Central Daylight Time, rhblake(a)bbtel.com writes: > Anyone ever heard of a full length 16 bit ISA AT type card that has > amonst all the componets a Motorola 68000 (16mhz) processor? It says > it's made by Microcom, Inc....made in USA > > Is this some sort of card to get Apple/Mac compatibility? >

27 years, 11 months

hard drive data recovery

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Ive also opened up hard drives here at the house, but i wouldnt bet on them running for much longer after. the next time you see sunlight streaming through a window, take a look. you'll actually be able to see all the dust particles floating around in the air even though you'd think most if not all dust would settle. In a message dated 98-07-11 09:52:03 EDT, you write: << [snip] of doing home drive repair >without the luxury of a clean room. Is it possible to use some sort of >cheaply available or easily made vacuum chamber with positive airflow and >filtering, or is it absolutely required? Can a drive be opened in room >air and be worked on without introducing dangerou : Well, I've opened drives in room air and had them run after, but it does :make it less reliable. It's a thing like ESD: if you want to risk it. >>

27 years, 11 months

Curious card - IBM

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Speaking of curious cards: I just picked up 5 stripped down Dell 433p machines. Nothing in them except motherboard, 486-dx33 processor, and riser card. BUT... In two or three I found the following card. I didn't look hard enough at the numbers, but I can pretty much describe it: The card has one dsub shell, 9-pin on the back, there's a machined aluminum chip on the card, marked IBM, and there's an ODD and EVEN ROM set. My first guess was mono graphics cards (VGA is built-in to MB) but I got to thinking: Did IBM ever make a network card with this type of connector on it? All I know is twisted pair, coax, and have seen token ring stuff before but not worked with it. What does it sound like to you guys? (Slightly off-topic, by 3 years.) - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 11 months

Rare vs. Desirable

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Speaking of Mac Portables, how much would you pay for a very rare >(prototype?) Mac Portable in a clear plastic case? I couldn't overcome my >lack of love for Macs to pay the $300 asking price today (but somebody >else did about an hour later). I don't believe they were prototypes; more of souvenir-type deals, I believe. I could see paying $200, $300 is more than I'd spend for most any 'classic' computer. >What is it with Apple and clear plastic cases anyways? I think I remember >clear plastic Apple ]['s at dealers. Did Apple do this for all of their >models? I beleive just about all the Newton Messagepads were done in clear cases and they're really not _that_ uncommon. You'll see them for sale every 6 months or so if you read the Newton Classifieds. Most recently, I saw a non-working MP 100 go for $100 (my offer was the second highest at $40). From what I understand, there were even some Newton's done in wooden cases, though I'm not sure if these were operational. Prototypes of the eMate were also done in a wide variety of colors. I've seen and heard of lots of different Macs being done in clear plastic. In addition to the Portable you mentioned, several members of the Mac II family, as well as the LC. I also vaguely remember something about a green Mac Classic. Anybody? Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

Adds to Museum

by fauradon＠pclink.com

How about we try to get together like the folks in California? I would really love to talk to some people about old computers without having to endure all the jokes and elbow rising that I usually get. Any takers in the Mpls/St Paul area? Eric? Anyone else? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon >Both I live and work in MN (for now) and my family lives in Houston. I do >alot of road running between the two states.

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