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by blndpete＠raex.com

Hi every one this a test, I am just checking addresses. Pete Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable Progress

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> 1. The portable won't accept a 1.44mb disk created with a PowerMac >but that contains System 6.0.1 (I get the disk with the "X" in it). I >thought that the drive was a 1.44mb disk. The Mac Portables did ship with 1.44mb drives, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what yours has. I came across one once that had been replaced with an 800k. > 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >contains System 6.0.1. > 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the >disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >script. Arrrgh... So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you tried a genuine System Tools disk? Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, >significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. >Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. >Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. >Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. This may be simply anecdotal, but keeping in mind the other two: Man (accidently) walks into spinning tail rotor of helicopter... his family sues because it wasn't placarded that it might be dangerous to walk into rotating blades... ("Think of it as evolution in action.") :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 11 months

Overpriced ZX80

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Ya know, I sold one of these for about $15 one time, not too long ago, wait, mine was the ZX81. C'mon guys, let's all sell our computers on ebay! After we become billionaires, we can buy out microsoft and make Slick Billy lick our boots! :) At 10:20 PM 7/21/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >For your amusement: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 > >-- Doug > > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by allisonp＠world.std.com

classic Safety things... LP25 gas springs that would die and drop the lid on the unwary head under it. Service engineer installing an RL02 in top of a mostly empty 50" cab has it topple forward and suffers injury. Reason, failed to extend and tighten anti-tip foot in the front of cab, disk installed against recommendations. Injuries include fracture and lacerations to leg. In the greater realm there are some that are near urban legend save for companies really paid for the frivilous though profitable(for someone) litigation of the 80s. Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. Two guys get drunk, decide they need to trim the hedges using gas powered lawn mower. Non fatal, loss of fingers. Suit paid out of court for 7 digits, reason; didn't say you can't use it for other than mowing lawn anywhere on the machine. Following years all sorts of blade brakes, kill switches and labels appear. Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. Special note: Private pilot didn't have required valid flight review for that two year period needed to exercise the privilge of pilot in command. The pilot did not have the required flight time in the previous 90 days to exercise the privledge of carrying passengers. The purpose of flight was commercial photography (private pilot cannot hire out). The plane was modified illegally and improperly to mount a camara for the purpose of the flight was the cause of the loss of visibility for the pilot. The FAA issued in 1978 a directive that all aircraft will have shoulder harnesses installed. Despite an illegal operation, non complying pilot and aircraft an excuse was found to force libility on the manufacturer of the plane of some 40+ years age. < 1. Discourage third party maintenance. Least of the worries. Not a competative issue in reality. Cost to repair was near cost ot manufacuture so they had better be cheap. < 2. Avoid having the problems caused by the #$%^&* plastic clips on the < VT100 breaking. Is there a cheap source of 'em for my pile of VT100's < I've been using bolts and crazy glue and nuts when needed. That was also a consideration. as time progresed better fasteners, cost driven elements and producability items would all instigate various solutions. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Vic 20 & Commodore 64 peripherals wanted (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Does anybody have any C64 or VIC-20 peripherals to sell? Please see message below tag line. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2! See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details [Last web page update: 07/21/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:47:50 EDT From: Ferock(a)aol.com To: siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com Subject: Vic 20 & Commodore 64 I am looking to buy old peripheral equipment for the Commodore 64 and Vic 20. If you know anyone that is interested in selling these please e-mail me or give me a call. Thanks Glenn Ferock(a)aol.com 212-596-9184

27 years, 11 months

Wanted: Another magazine article series

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer Products) article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or 86/DOS...). Thanks. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The whole movie makes ya wonder about the future of society. Can't a guy be nice any more without being gay? Annyway, for those who haven't seen it, a supermodel is frantically stabbing at the numbers on the dial, not knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? >(There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes ya >think about the future of CLI's...) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable Progress

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, I made some progess with the Mac Portable today. Although I still don't know what the Sad Mac code $0F means (all the FAQs that I've read skip >from $0E to $10). Here's what I've found: 1. The portable won't accept a 1.44mb disk created with a PowerMac but that contains System 6.0.1 (I get the disk with the "X" in it). I thought that the drive was a 1.44mb disk. 2. It will not accept a 400k disk. 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which contains System 6.0.1. 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install script. Arrrgh... Time to hit ftp.apple.com Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 11 months

Severely offtopic, but...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I still don't get it. Anyway, while we're on topic, has everyone heard that the U.S.S. Yorktown's NT system crashed, causing it's engines to fail and forcing a towboat to pull it back to shore? The Navy is considering installing more NT systems; they won't install UNIX due to some protocol, not sure. Check www.osnews.com/news for the link to the story. >Do you know what Hello Kitty is? >If so, amuse yourself with the following... > >http://www.sanrio.co.jp/products/notepc/notepc.html >Ignore the Japanese, what you're intersted in is down a little ways. > >When they make one like Ami-chan's got, I'll be interested. >------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This is slightly different. It is difficult to see spinning blades, and people in third world countries who aren't used to helicopters are known to injure themselves, not noticing them. Especially if this was the same guy who drilled his brains out :) I assume you've all heard of the Darwin awards... >>Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, >>significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. >>Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. >This may be simply anecdotal, but keeping in mind the other two: > >Man (accidently) walks into spinning tail rotor of helicopter... his >family sues because it wasn't placarded that it might be dangerous to >walk into rotating blades... > >("Think of it as evolution in action.") :-) > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

That's dead, I'll replace it. Should I also change the black bar- shaped 7.5 v cell? It's dead too, and I don't know what it's for. >> The thing powers up off the keyboard, like a mac. I tried powering it >> off a PC SMPSU, otherwise loaded by the PC from which it came. The >> PSU was working fine, and I got correct voltages, even the right >> voltages on the external power connector on the laptop (I connected >> the wires to the battery terminals). And now matter how many times I >> pressed the on button, the #*%^)!$ thing wouldn't start. Ideas? > >I've seen this one several times. > >Check/change the 3V 'coin cell' - the disk-like lithium cell that's >hidden inside the machine. It's needed for the power-on switch to work. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

TI99: TIcK OS (a little to one side of topic)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >Another is more complex but offers a few more possibilities. Use on the < >the interrupt levels and put ram at the rom addresses. The load vector < >can then be used to copy the ROMS from somewhere else to low memory. By < >doing this rom patching can be done or complete overlay of that 8k space < < Of course, but it also would require a *lot* of hacking to get done < and has some potential dangers. Mind you, P0 and P1 are free on the < 9901 and could be used as "page bits" for multiple segments of < ROM/RAM. Personally I like to keep things simple. Writing ROM < overlays is not fun and I'd rather avoid it. B'sides, if I can get < away with just using 2 *Very cheap* TTL components, so be it. I'll < still put POLLs in my software, but I'll include an IFD in my macro < and compile 2 versions, one with, one without. Not really. the trick used in 9900s is to use load to start a rom based program that copies itself to where ever needed and then turns itself off. The way I'd do it is to put a small rom at F000h and ram where the old roms were. The old rom can then be located at D000h with only a few bits (one) needed to turn off the old roms and the boot room. I do this all the time with Z80s to get the system totaly ram based but with the advantages of rom start up/restart. The trivial trick is to make it seem invisible. the big advantage is if you want to use the memory for something else you can but makesure to do a relod if you want things back to normal. I recently got an extra console that will be modified so that a pair of 32kx8s will map in to where rom, and 32kb expansion ram would be. IE: 0000->3fffh and A000->FFFFh. using 2 32kx8s keeps the chip count low even though 50% is wasted, besides they are cheap. The effect is the system could be much faster as it does not need the PEB access for base ram. I may want to yuse the full 64kb of the pars so I need to know how one of the larger cards like the corcomp 512k map. Do they do it as if it were multiples of 32k or are the two segments (2000->3FFFh and A000->FFFFh) mapped seperately or is it done in 8k segments? < Just a little FIFO would work well, but then, if the CPU bottlenecks < on data because it is physically too slow to even PROCESS the data, < such high data rates become useless and potentially dangerous. Not really it's a matter of buffering the data and post processing it when the tide slows or issueing an Xoff/suspend to stop the flow before the buffer overfills. This situation is nothing new, though in the world of CPU with clocks in the UHF region people may forget that. However the problems of data arriving faster than it can be processed is old hat. Besides with a ramdisk buffering a few kb of data is nothing. Allison

27 years, 11 months

How many computers?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Okay, for me it's easy: <http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/> 8^) Not listed is a "101 California" terminal, a Zenith keyboard terminal, Fujitsu Stylistic 500, Everex 386 Laptop, and the 128K mac, Altos 8000, HP 3000, HP 9000/310, and hp9000/345. Hmmm. And the odd 8-bit atari, and the MSX machine, and a few others that don't really fit into my collection. So, it's a little over 100, of which 80+ are portables. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Severely offtopic, but...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Do you know what Hello Kitty is? If so, amuse yourself with the following... http://www.sanrio.co.jp/products/notepc/notepc.html Ignore the Japanese, what you're intersted in is down a little ways. When they make one like Ami-chan's got, I'll be interested. -------

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? < >(There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes < ya < >think about the future of CLI's...) Command line interface... what you say to dos if ther isn't winders in the way. Allison

27 years, 11 months

How many computers?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 18, 22:53, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: How many computers? > > My friend reports that the Graduate doesn't have a BBC ROM, and indeed > > doesn't use the Tube. It uses the 1MHz bus to access BBC I/O, apparently. > > You know, I thought I remembered it having a 34 pin ribbon cable. (1MHz > bus, not Tube).... Time to dig it out and experiment. > > How on earth does the Beeb know it's there, though, without a ROM. > Acorn's MOS (the Beeb ROM OS) doesn't look for peripherals on the 1MHz > bus, surely?. I can't believe it needed a BBC disk as well... Yes, I find that very odd too. The address lines, page selects, and R/W signals on the 1MHz bus are unidirectional (direction: out of Beeb) so about the only things the Graduate could control would be the NMI, IRQ, and analogue input lines. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

27 years, 11 months

classic computer list??

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

> > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote: > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an > > individual. > > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again. > And stand back for about 50+ messages a day ranging from Z1 to the - well > latest thing (frowned on but never ignored 8-) > > > I have some antiquated DEC equipment I'd like to see find a > > good home and was refered here. > > Interesting thought - I mean IS there such a thing as an - > 'antiquated DEC equipment' > I thought not 8-) Your ISP is out of Ohio... Is that where the equipment > is? A list of what is available and where would help out a lot. > > > -Wayne Cox > > wcox(a)infinet.com, wcox(a)usaeroteam.com > > Once again - Welcome! > > BC > ========================================================================= > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html > (Collectors by areas) > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...) > Name: Classic Computer ListOp > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/ > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?) > And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp and Doug Yowza's classiccmp FAQ backup at http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp Does anyone know if haliotis is still archiving ? My machine always hangs when I try and access it. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com lwalker(a)interlog.com

27 years, 11 months

Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The thing powers up off the keyboard, like a mac. I tried powering it off a PC SMPSU, otherwise loaded by the PC from which it came. The PSU was working fine, and I got correct voltages, even the right voltages on the external power connector on the laptop (I connected the wires to the battery terminals). And now matter how many times I pressed the on button, the #*%^)!$ thing wouldn't start. Ideas? >Surely you mean 170mA here. It's normal to charge at the C/10 rate, at >least when trickle charging. And I'd give it about 14 hours to make up >for losses in the battery (you never get the energy out that you put in). > >> If the 'float voltage of the battery goes over the 12v figure, that will >> cut down the charging current. The _best_ thing would be a milliammeter >> on the PS output, and a variac controlling input of the _big_ PS. > >Wait a second. I thought he was using a PC power supply. Those have >internal regulation. Hanging one off a Variac won't do a darn thing apart >from test the line regulation of the PSU. > >> >> Now, as to whether or not you can get away with the 'big PS' on the >> laptop instead of the battery? If at all possible, don't try. The >> battery is providing an imense ammount of conditioning to the incoming >> power flow. (There are amazing ammounts of garbage floating on top of >> the normal PS output. [everything from 'lightning induced spikes, on > >Every regulated power supply that I have ever seen has a fair amount of >internal filtering. Now while it's not a good idea to only load one of >the subsiduary outputs of an SMPS (and remember that in a PC PSU, the 5V >output is the main one, from which the regualtor sense lines are taken), >I think that noise on the output would be the least of your worries. > >> down to spikes from the local refrigerator turning on].) If you _must_ >> try, it won't hurt to throw a few thousand mfd of capacitor across >> things. Voltage wise, you are probably O.K. > >There's probably 2200-4700uF inside the PSU across the 12V rail. > >> >> Chuck > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by ThisTime＠aol.com

Puh-leeze! With humour that consistently bad, let me make a suggestion. 86 the pathetic attempts at humour. Keep on topic without trying to be cute all the time. Ghia In a message dated 98-07-20 21:14:48 EDT, you write: << One thing that can be said for those ancient Western Electric clunkers is that they can't be killed, they can only be landfilled at a crossroad with a stake through the bell. Rumour has it that that after World War III the cockroaches will be able to use them to call Elvis. -- Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ >>

27 years, 11 months

Old Phones (was: Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

While we're on the subject of old phones and phone systems, if you're ever in Edmonton, (Alberta, Canada) there is a pretty cool telephone museum there. Edmonton had something like the first phone system in Alberta or maybe even Canada. Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:31 PM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Believe it or not there are still many people out there with old >(ancient) rotary dial telephones. > >Hey, I still have one, in my computer room (ex-spare bedroom) at home. Got one next to my bed for my main #. Also got a wall mount around somewhere, just waiting for a good place to mount it. (There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes ya think about the future of CLI's...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:12 AM 7/15/98 PDT, you wrote: >A short refresher on human psychology. Most of the time, a clearly >thinking person does not do anything they consider wrong. Your spammer >thinks he is doing someone a favor, and your songs are disrespectful Nah, Spammers just want to get rich, without consideration of the cost to others. No different than if I went to Safeway, shoved a bunch of sodas down my pants, and left to set up a store of my own. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

(Fwd) Re: Tandy TRS80-Model II

by gram＠cnct.com

Lawrence Walker wrote: > To clearify, a Model II requires an additional CPU card. This is a MC68000 CPU > with a daughter card or two that may contain from 128K to 1 Meg of RAM. It > depends. There were several memory card configurations. I have some from > the 128K to the 1 Meg varity. The really rare ones are the 4 Meg memory cards. There was never a Tandy 4 Meg card. Bob Snapp had boards to take a 16 or 6000 up to 8 Meg, but the memory management permitted only a max of 1 Meg "user" RAM -- the rest could be used as RAM disk, permitting a /dev/swap far larger and faster than Tandy hardware. It was damned impressive to see his stuff at the Tangent conference in Fort Worth in 1986, 15 terminals (plus console) filePro databases faster than a stock system could with three users. > In addtion, You should have a HD controller. This card will have the WD1010 > or WD1020 chipset. It will allow you to attach up to 2 MFM drives. The > standard MFM cabling has one "Control" cable that is dasiy-chained to all > drives. Then the smaller "Data" cable is connected directly from the HD to > the drive controler card. I have not see a controler card that was able > to use more than two HDs at a time. All the Tandy manufactured card would > use the WD1010 chipset which allows up to 70Mb HDs. Some after-market > people upgraded to the WD1020 chipset which increased the HD capacity to > the 130 ro 150Mb range. I dont remember the exact upper limit although > they did not make MFM drives much larger that 150 Mb as I recall. All the > HDs should be free standing. Only a possiable drive select jummper should > differ the HDs in the external cases. Actually, except for the 6000HD which would only accept one external drive after the internal, all hard disk subsystems for the Model II/12/16/6000 line would permit four external drives, either all 8.4 Meg (the 8" Shugart "original" system) or any combination of 5, 12, 15, 35 or 70 MB (the later 5.25" system). At least that was the case with official Tandy hard drives.Those latter would also attach in quantities up to four to any of the Model One/3/4 product line or the Color Computer. That's what always surprised me when PCs and compatibles were limited to two drives, at least until SCSI and EIDE. -- Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_

27 years, 11 months

classic computer list??

by wcox＠infinet.com

Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an individual. I have some antiquated DEC equipment I'd like to see find a good home and was refered here. -Wayne Cox wcox(a)infinet.com, wcox(a)usaeroteam.com

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