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by fmc＠reanimators.org

Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote: > DC600 carts are the _physical_ media on which data is stored. I wasn't > saying DC600 is a format nor was QICxx a format HP uses (never knew what > protocol HP used 'til you mentioned HCD a bit later in yr msg.) Yes, the physical carts seem to be the same -- it's easy enough to scribble over the HCD formatting with a QIC format, at which point the tape is no longer usable in an HCD drive. So far as I know the HCD formatting must be written at the factory, and the tapes I've seen have had either HP or 3M labels on them. HP also seems to put down its own higher-level format on the tapes that it sells. Here's a story: Once upon a time the purchasing agent found she could save a few bucks ordering the 3M flavor of the tapes, and so we got one for testing. Well...on the 3000, the software for manipulating these things treats them as serial discs (which is exactly as wacky as it sounds, the tape drive is a CS/80 device and so the tapes are addressed by block), and so you're supposed to use the VINIT tool to format the "disc" and "serialize" it (i.e. write a volume label that says "this is a serial disc" for auto-volume recognition to read later). So what I noticed in my tests was that the 3M tape, when new, took 15 minutes for the FORMAT step, vs. the HP tapes which took seconds. I suspect that the time was taken by the tape drive formatting the tape and writing out the canonical CS/80 stuff like bad-block sparing tables and so forth, and that HP does this at their factory. -Frank McConnell

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Fine, fine, if you insist...in ' The Soul of a New Machine', it is mentioned that IBM in the late '70s was in court almost continuously. What was the bulk of this about? > >How about classic computers? > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/21/98] > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> Thread getting old now...how about talking about abortion, politics, or > environmental issues? Or maybe ice fishing. Cripes... Cripes ????? H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK > and other countries as the US? No, at least in Germany most of these laughable cases are rejectet from court. But we like to laugh about the US system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by franke＠sbs.de

> Hans Franke wrote: >> b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone >> in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) >> exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. > Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? Sorry German tech talk - a/b are the 'names' of the two wires for two wire (analogue) telephone connections - and an a/b-adaptor is just a ISDN <-> analogue converter - so you van connect old phones (dtmf and pulse) to ISDN lines. > I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to > make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to > type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? > Suggestions? SHIFT-ALT-CTRL-1 ? Grin(s) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Hans Franke wrote: > b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone > in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) > exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? Suggestions? Philip.

27 years, 11 months

Iomega ALPHA-10

by cfandt＠servtech.com

I need a manual or a decent copy of one and any other available info on the Iomega ALPHA-10 SCSI removable disk drive. Nothing at the Iomega website, just the newer stuff. Thanks, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

-----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 22 July 1998 19:00 Subject: Re: Idiots >On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK >> and other countries as the US? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >It is my understanding that in UK the loser pays all legal costs which >tends to discourage filing frivolous suits. No, this is no the case. I know personaly of a case where the victim lost more in expenses bringing the case to court than the offender was eventually fined for the offence. It's all a bit backward in the UK I'm afraid. Compensation for serious injury is a complete joke. We have murderers released from prison after serving only half of their sentance. So, while I laugh at the "My neighbour pulled a nasty face at my cat" type lawsuits in the US. I do feel that the system in the UK is grossly unfair in the opposite way, with the victims of crime rarely receiving justice. Sie

27 years, 11 months

RT-11 Help

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Hello List-ites.... I have a question for the non-RT11-impaired among us: I am attempting (sporadically) to get an 11/34a back in it's original shape, when it ran a Hollywood audio company's accounting and sales functions. It had two RK05s and several software packages running under MACRO, Unix, and USCD pSystem Pascal. Right now only one of the drives is hooked up, set to drive '0'. It will boot and run the UCSD stuff and it will boot RT-11(V2.0).... except that, in 7 out of the 7 packs with RT-11.... it is as if KMON was missing or damaged; it boots up to the dot prompt and then returns the ?ILL? message no matter which command I give it. I have RT-11(V5.0) on my 11/73 and it is fully functional, so I have had some cursory (N.P.I.) experience with the OS. I am at another one of those self-teaching impasses.. I can't do much more with the system the way it is... sigh. Has anyone any ideas? Magic words? Mystery switches? Or should I just chuck this wretched humiliating heavy loud time-consuming suppossed-to-be-a-fun-toy..... sorry. Time for my meds again. I'm fine now... quite calm actually. help. Cheers..... John PS: Anyone found a junk Kennedy 9300 tape machine whose vacuum column door is in good shape... I *need* one real bad.... J

27 years, 11 months

WTB: Jupiter Ace

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

Anyone got a Jupiter Ace they'd be prepared to part with ? Sie

27 years, 11 months

Compaq (off topic)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> That's dead, I'll replace it. Should I also change the black bar- >> shaped 7.5 v cell? It's dead too, and I don't know what it's for. > > I'm not sure if the 7.5V bettery is required for the machine to power > up, on the other hand, it wasn't _designed_ to be dead, so it can do no > harm to replace it. It isn't required. Replacing mine did no good (ie powered up but didn't retain all settings, with old or new battery). New ones, being NiCd, are supplied fully discharged anyway. Philip.

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> This one I must agree with. Thank god I had some metric phillips >> drivers to turn those Torx screws!!! >> >You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried >> to >> >open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble. Phillips driver to turn a Torx screw? Shame on you! Flat bladed much more effective provided you select the correct width ;-) > Since when does the use of Torx screws make something difficult to > dismantle? They're a lot better than the crosspoint (Phillips, Pozidriv, > etc) screws, which almost seem to be designed to cause the driver to > 'cam out' when you try to shift them. > > Dismantling is easy, anyway. It's getting it back together that's > interesting... Dismantling the LTE-lite 20 is not easy. For those who wish to have a go: 1. Find the four obvious screws at the back of the case. Make sure they are properly done up :-) Don't undo them! If you do you will cause permanent damage. 2. Remove battery. Screwdriver inside battery compartment will pop some of the clips that hold the top cover off. 3. Work around the edges, using additional force at the front corners, until top cover fully popped. Then fold screen right back and lift off cover. 4. Next undo the screw that holds the display cable in place (for cable read flexible pcb) and unplug said cable. 5. Then and only then can you undo the four screws at the back, and detach the screen. Thereafter, fairly obvious. All the screws are Torx 9, except for a few very small phillips in the display... If you start by undoing the obvious screws, you will tear the display cable, and it costs around 30 pounds to replace. Compaq don't sell to the general public. but will tell you the names of dealers who do. (Guess how I found that out!) Philip.

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by Marty＠itgonline.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Idiots Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/22/98 2:09 PM -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 22 July 1998 19:00 Subject: Re: Idiots >On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK >> and other countries as the US? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >It is my understanding that in UK the loser pays all legal costs which >tends to discourage filing frivolous suits. No, this is no the case. I know personaly of a case where the victim lost more in expenses bringing the case to court than the offender was eventually fined for the offence. It's all a bit backward in the UK I'm afraid. Compensation for serious injury is a complete joke. We have murderers released from prison after serving only half of their sentance. So, while I laugh at the "My neighbour pulled a nasty face at my cat" type lawsuits in the US. I do feel that the system in the UK is grossly unfair in the opposite way, with the victims of crime rarely receiving justice. Sie ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul22.140944.1767.52719; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA17437; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:29 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA71130 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:25 -0700 Received: from rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch (rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA11798 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:23 -0700 Received: from ens.ascom.ch (chieftain.ens.ascom.ch [139.79.60.1]) by rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29648 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:16 +0200 (MET DS T) Received: from htva03 (htva03.ens.ascom.ch) by ens.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA09613; Wed, 22 Jul 98 20:08:47 +0200 Message-Id: <006f01bdb5a3$fb1fbda0$96a14f8b(a)htva03.ens.ascom.ch> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:32 +0100 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Sie Raybould" <sie(a)systemfile.demon.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Idiots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Generally I'd agree, but in the case of the DEC VR201 I was challenged < > It took me some 2 hrs. and I was ready to rip the case off before I fina < > figured out that "that interesting little button on the rear" concealed < > screw that held it all together. I think some fine art students on peyot < > must have designed that case. It is unique I will admit. < > < > ciao larry < > lwalker(a)interlog.com While the VT100 case was easy to open the legal climate changed and easy to open meant users (meaning idiots) should open it and hurt themselves so they could sue. Screws like that oen in the VR200 and also others were meant as a legal dodge as if you went through all the trouble to open that you were delberate and if anything bad happnes it's on your head not DECs. As some oen involved in the design process we always had to banance easy to open with should it be openable at all. I know I was around DEC from 83->93 and worked with the corperate safety folks. You would not believe the stories we would share... Allison

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Tony ended his long discourse on telephones with: > In practice, you're not going to damage the exchange no matter what you do > to the line at the subscriber end. The incoming lines are protected by an > array of spark gaps (probably gas filled), fuses and 'heat coils'. The old > electromechanical exchanges were certainly protected against lightening, > contact between telephone lines and (600V-ish) power lines, etc. Mains, at > the far end of the line, is trivial in comparison. ISTR that at our sites (electricity supply industry) we have to install special isolators on phone lines if the rise in local earth potential due to an earth fault exceeds 650V. Such sites are known as "hot sites". The implication is, anything less than 650V to ground the exchange can cope with. Besides, I think the limiting factor is safety of engineers working at exchanges... Philip.

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK and other countries as the US? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by peacock＠simconv.com

> I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? Suggestions? Do what I do, refuse to use robot phone systems, always wait till an operator comes on line. If a company is too cheap to pay someone to answer the phone I certainly don't want to do business with them, it's a clear indication of the level of service I can expect. Jack Peacock

27 years, 11 months

Idiots

by peacock＠simconv.com

> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK and other countries as the US? There was the slander lawsuit in the UK brought by McDonalds against some food activist pressure group. On the surface it sounded stupid, took forever, but in the end it proved to be a wise business choice for McDonalds. IIRC McDonalds won some small victory from it but it was a brilliant first strike to stop any future pressure groups. On the other hand even McDonalds loses a few. I think it was the McDonalds in downtown Shanghai, the Chinese Govt decided they wanted the property and booted McD out even thought McD had a lease on it. McD tried to sue in Chinese court, which surely qualifies as a stupid lawsuit in China. Jack peacock

27 years, 11 months

Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I bought a replacement coin battery...it's starting up off the SMPSU from my Packard Bell. Hmm...the screen on my Mac Portable is a million times better...how do I get into the CMOS setup in this thing? Since the settings are reset, I can't get to the hard drive for any potential setup programs. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

For your amusement only....

by cfandt＠servtech.com

FWIW: just to give some of you a bit of fun; no futher discussion needed here as it's kinda off topic. Found this in comp.sys.ibm.sys3x.misc. Don't know for sure if Mr. Welch really gave the press rls. Posted on Thu, 16 Jul 1998: At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon. In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating (by Mr. Welch himself): If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn, would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought "Car95" or "CarNT". But then you would have to buy more seats. 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would only run on five per cent of the roads. 7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "general car default" warning light. 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. 9. The air bag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off. 10. Occasionally for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grab hold of the radio antenna. 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need or want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department. 12. Every time GM introduced a new model car, buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 13. You'd press the "start" button to shut off the engine. -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years, 11 months

Compaq//safety issues

by bill.sheehan＠stoneweb.com

While I suppose it's technically possible to be electrocuted by anything plugged into a wall outlet, I really have a hard time buying this story. There's got to be more to it than that. Can you tell me in what newspaper it appeared? "Charles E. Fox" <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> on 07/22/98 09:47:50 AM Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC) Subject: Re: Compaq//safety issues Todays paper has an article about a fourteen year old Southern Ontario boy who electrocuted himself while using his computer "when the keyboard became disconnected and he tried to plug it in"!! This sounds nearly impossible and very hard on all the young people who are trying to conn a computer out of their parents. If I hear any more I will pass it along. Charlie Fox

27 years, 11 months

Overpriced ZX80

by franke＠sbs.de

>> $460!!!! That CAN'T right! I going to throw away my Altair and start >> looking for Sinclairs to sell on E-pay! > But to us british the ZX80 has the same nostalgic value as an Altair. The > highest price I have seen a ZX80 go for here in the UK was 180 UKP but > this example was fully boxed, the correct manuals, mint condition and > known to work. 460 USD ? 180 UKP ? Wooha! And I just gave away a ZX80 for free last week (to a fellow collector - Stefan, did you check it ? Working ?). Althrugh it is an early ZX80 (see the glossing 'Keyboard' ? Later modells had a darkened keymat to give a chance for guessing the keys) I wouldn't pay anything more than DM 80-100 (~ USD 60, UKP 30) - no way. ZX80 is sill somewhat common. There are a lot of newer devices that are realy rare. Shure, the ZX81 is for most people more nostalgic than any KIM, AIM or Altair, since it was (together with the ZX81) the first computer for a real lot of people. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 11 months

Overpriced ZX80

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: < < > For your amusement: < > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 < < I am so utterly appalled at this. Sounds like the old practice of having a shill drive up the price. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

LOL, i love that disclaimer. time to reedit my .sig file... perhaps everyone should use it nowadays? In a message dated 98-07-21 23:57:06 EDT, Don Maslin put forth: << Disclaimer: As a resident of the '90's, I take no responsibility for anything I say or do. If any of my actions hurt or offend anyone, it was probably not my fault, and the result of some childhood trauma which I've probably repressed. >>

27 years, 11 months

Overpriced ZX80

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:20 PM 7/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >For your amusement: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 > >-- Doug $460!!!! That CAN'T right! I going to throw away my Altair and start looking for Sinclairs to sell on E-pay! (Just kidding!!!!!!!!) Go look at his other ads. He has a 1 cent paper bill that some fool has bid $5 for!

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