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by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

Hi "collectors of classic computers" I'd like to inform you that the URL of the HomeComputer-Museum (HCM) will change. So if you have a URL pointing to the HomeComputer-Museum (HCM) at http://192.102.161.122/~walgen or http://jupiter.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen please update your URL/Bookmark to: http://www.HomeComputer.de/ this URL will be permanent - THANKS

27 years, 11 months

Compaq//safety issues

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

LARTed with a tesla coil, right? So how do you propose using a pc in a building without three-prong sockets? >I do, and if I catch anyone removing safety earth connections in my >workshop, they will be LARTed. I am serious. I've worked enough with the >mains to know how dangerous it can be. > I doubt 240 vs. 110 is much difference as far as heart muscle is concerned >(a) If I want to commit suicide I will do :-). But I don't want to set >booby traps in my workshop. Perhaps I'm more careful becausewe've got 240V >mains here. > So, why have I never felt anything touching a PC case? I've done it many times, I've touched insides many times, and I've never felt so much as a tingle. Would I be able to use a VOM to find this voltage? > >Right, an explanation. The 'Earth' wire goes to the metal PC case, and >also to the thrid pin of the plug. 'Neutral' is connected to earth at the >main distribution board (US), last distribution transformer (UK), and is >effectively earth. And live is 110V (or 240V) above that. > >Now, the 2 capacitors on the left form a capacitive potential divider. So >if the earth wire is not bonded to ground, then the midpoint of that is >going to be at half mains voltage - 55V (or 120V) wrt neutral, which is >efectively local earth. That means the case of the PC - the external metal >case - is at that voltage wrt local earth. Now the capacitor values >_should_ limit the available current, but I'd not bet on it. Also, the >capacitors should be a special safety type which are unable to fail >shorted (I forget the type - it's either class X or class Y), but I've >seen plenty of cheap-n-nasty PSUs with just 600V capacitors in this >position. If I spot them like that, they get replaced, BTW. > >And that's what I'm going on about. Not that the keyboard was live, but >that the metal case of the PC had a significant voltage wrt local earth. >Normally you'd not notice it - the front panel is probably plastic, so >are the floppy drives, etc. But reach round the back to plug in the >keyboard cable, touch the back of the case, and zap! > > >> like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about > >> sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the > >I am not fanatical about safety - I do plenty of things that can be >considered dangerous. I use machine tools, I change CRTs, I work on >30kV supplies, I work on mains, I repair SMPSUs, I even work on live >equipment if necessary. And yes I defeat safety interlocks if there's a >good reason for so doing, and I know what the consequences are. But there's >no way you'll catch me removing an earth connection without a _very_ good >reason. > > >> boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know >> of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them >> w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which > >The backplate of an XT keyboard is connected to the body of the DIN plug. >If that's live for any reason, then there's something seriously wrong - >see above. > >> could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the > >There is no voltage on a keyboard connector that can kill - at least not >if the rest of the PC is correctly wired. I'd touch any component in a >working XT keyboard and I'd live to tell the tale. > >> wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with >> hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could >> undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad > >Argh!!! I prefer to use proper cable joined with proper connectors - with >insulation and strain reliefs. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

VC404 The Standard

by amichael＠nortel.ca

In message "VC404 The Standard", lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com writes: > One of my recent curbside finds is a machine put out by a Canadian company >based in Waterloo Ont called Volker-Craig model vg-400. On the front it has a >title VC404 The Standard. I also have a 404, discarded from a university lab many years ago. These terminals seem to have been popular in university student terminal rooms because they were relatively cheap. I seem to recall that the company founders were ex-University of Waterloo people. I've seen 404s not just in Canada but also in Britain, where they were the standard terminals on a university Vax system I once used. So I'm not too surprised Tony has a tech manual. (Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Tony had a tech manual for Noah's Ark :) >It has a k-b attached with ribbon cable Unfortunately the keyboards were not that robust and after a few generations of students pounding away on them, the keyboard or the ribbon cable often became unreliable. >In the back it >has a 25 pin RS232 connector, a BNC labelled "composite video" ,2 switches : >one 3-pos.to configure parity the other "Transparent on off" That video connector on the back was useful for hooking into a big classroom overhead monitor so a whole class could learn from observing a terminal session. These terminals are very helpful for debugging RS-232 communications. The "transparent" switch on the back lets you choose to display all the ASCII control codes (eg, instead of performing a "line feed" it displays a little LF symbol). Larry, I don't have any tech docs but I do have a thin user manual. About all it tells you is what the special control codes are to clear the screen, move the cursor, etc. Still, it's the information you need to run Wordstar with it! E-mail me with your snail-mail address and I'll run off a copy for you. Regards, Arlen -- Arlen Michaels Nortel Ottawa, Canada (613) 763-2568 amichael(a)nortel.ca

27 years, 11 months

New rescue list

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have never gotten real spam to my address, non-real spam being unwanted jokes and chain letters from people who have my address. It's amazing, every few weeks the "Bill Gates goes to heaven" joke is rediscovered... >I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase >of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the >usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also >be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made >SPAM killer bot - a vcollection of key word filters - the most >usefull filter just triggering '$$$' :) > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable Progress

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Weird. Maybe there is damage to some ROM somewhere? If you have another floppy drive, try plugging that in. I've never had any problems with my Superdrive >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net> >wrote: > >> 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >>contains System 6.0.1. >> 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that >the >>disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >>script. Arrrgh... > >>>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you >>>tried a genuine System Tools disk? > > Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the aforementioned >SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the *only* >disk that I've gotten to work so far. > > >Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin/CW6 > - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > - Preserver of "classic" computers ><<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>> > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

#%&@! more compaq...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am sorry, but I really have to ask this before I do anything else. THe keyboard ribbon cable on the thing had some chipped contacts at the location of a bend near the socket. This prevented use of many keys. So, I trimmed the cable. This lets the kb work fine, but is barely long enough to get to the edge connector, and once there it won't stay properly. And now the damn thing is becoming chipped again. What should I do? I can't replace the ribbon because the whole keyboard circuit board is one piece of plastic film (two layers). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

New rescue list

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:41 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >>I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My [...] >That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for >email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email Yep, they do. I've got a page stored on my pager that came from a spammer trolling for e-mail addresses on web pages. (My pager can be reached at <4152010273(a)alphapage.airtouch.com> and there is are links to said address on my site.) I've gotten several such pages (but only keep the one to show people.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

FW: Web page of possible interest

by kyrrin＠jps.net

I was corresponding with this fellow a while back. He indicated that some or all of the gear listed -might- get shipped to a staging point in the US of A. I've had no further word on that, and I'm in no position to buy anything right at the moment. However, that may not hold true for other CLASSICCMP'ers. With that in mind, check out the site and, if interested, contact Mr. Tey directly. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >X-Sender: wmtey(a)post1.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:41:11 +0800 >To: "Anuar Omar" <omara(a)tm.net.my>, joe(a)ar.co.th, sakchai(a)ar.co.th, > Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net>, chaiyut(a)irc.co.th, <big snip of CC's> >From: william tey <wmtey(a)post1.com> >Subject: bargain hunting! > >pls visit our web page at: > >http://www.berkeley.com.sg/surplus.htm > >for best bargain in town! > > >william tey >berkeley electronics pte ltd >135 joo seng road #05-03 >pm industrial building >singapore 368363 >joo chiat p.o. box 0859 >singapore 914202 >tel: (65)382-5998, fax: (65)382-5982 >email: wmtey(a)post1.com > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 11 months

New rescue list

by franke＠sbs.de

> Unfortunatly anyone that posts to this list is suceptable to SPAM since > these message are archived on the web. > Then again, maybe I'm just starting to get overly paranoid, but I doubt it. I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made SPAM killer bot - a vcollection of key word filters - the most usefull filter just triggering '$$$' :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 11 months

Wanted: Another magazine article series

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 10:19 PM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > > >> Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer >Products) >>article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or >>86/DOS...). Thanks. >> >>>I may have the original article. What issue was it in? > Does anyone know if there was an index published for BYTE? Don't remember even annual ones in the Dec. issues. I always missed them. I do have a short one which goes to the end of 1976. Some of my issues are in boxes where I cannot get to very easily. -Dave

27 years, 11 months

Wanted: Another magazine article series

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer Products) >article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or >86/DOS...). Thanks. > >>I may have the original article. What issue was it in? I don't know. Tim Shoppa mentioned the article series last week, and since I'm on a DOS 1.1 reverse engineering kick lately, I thought that the article would be appropriate. I would guess if Tim Patterson is talking about the predecessor of DOS, it would be in the late-79 to mid-80 range (hedging by bets a little). I guess that it could be as late as mid-1981 (based on the introduction of the 5150). Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 11 months

New rescue list

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my >own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse >upon myself. Great! >I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My >favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description >of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know >if you object to this treatment of your address. That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email address has an 'x' in it? Anyway, please add me to the list. Pennsylvania Tom Owad York, PA tomowad(a)earthlink.net Location: Southcentral PA., Willing to pick up. How far I'll go depends on how interesting the computer is. Area of Interest: Anything other than IBM PC's and compatibles, especially Apples and DECs Thanks, Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

27 years, 11 months

Mac Portable Progress

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >contains System 6.0.1. > 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the >disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >script. Arrrgh... >>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you >>tried a genuine System Tools disk? Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the aforementioned SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the *only* disk that I've gotten to work so far. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Do you have those weird two-prong things? My building is full of them They're screws with a rounded head, and nothing on it but two little pits. >> > Ever done an IBM 5151 monitor? It's painful, and the details are not in >> > any IBM manual (for all there's a schematic given). >> >> The thing I don't like about a lot of IBM stuff is the torx screws with a >> pin in the middle to stop as ordinary torx bit fitting. (I have been known > >Yes, PC power supplies tend to be full of them. The proper tool - a >tamperproof Torx bit - is pretty easy to obtain, actually. As are >tamperproof hex (like allen keys with a hole in the middle), tri-wing, >Torq, etc. I have the lot... > >-tony > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:04 AM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote: >knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? CLI: Command Line Interface (As in, DOS, CP/M, RSTS/E, (sometimes) Unix, TRSDOS, MPE, etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 11 months

Manual available

by kyrrin＠jps.net

This one actually cost me some bucks, so I'll want to get at least something for it. However, I promise not to be outrageous. ;-) I have an operating/service manual, brand new, for the Hewlett-Packard 3456A DVM (yes, the meter's over ten years old -- produced in 1982, to be exact). I'd like to see it go to someone who has one of the meters but no manual. HP gets $44.00 plus tax for the thing. I'm asking $25.00, plus postage. Anyone? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

27 years, 11 months

Subscribe?

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

How do I subscribe to this list? I've tried -request, -admin e.t.c. Cheers, Sie

27 years, 11 months

Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sorry about the blanks, folks, Lynx doesn't let me delete them. This one I must agree with. Thank god I had some metric phillips drivers to turn those Torx screws!!! >You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried to >open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble. > >Jeff > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Compaq//safety issues

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

For one thing, I don't think there's anything wrong with cheaters, I have three or four connected to power strips and a microwave. If a problem should happen, touching the case could cause instant death, but a) so what b) what are the odds c)in an old apartment building like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about it to the landlord. They won't even replace the valves on the radiators! I might decide to actually attach those things to ground sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad habits). In general, it's not too hard to believe. There's nothing that could be done to prevent this from happening every so often. > >I would offer the following possible explanations : > >The PC was earthed (as it should be), and the boy was carrying a static >charge. Zap!, but not fatal, or even a cause of serious injury. Touching >any piece of earthed metal would have had the same effect > >The PC case was connected to mains earth, which for some reason due to >dangerous wiring wasn't the same as the local earth. If that's the case, >time to check out all the wiring before more accidents happen. > >The PC case wasn't earthed, and was floating at about half mains voltage >due to the filtering components. This is acutally a nasty problem, and is >caused by idiots who use those 2 pin cheater adapters. The mains filter >capacitors shouldn't be able to pass enough current to be fatal, but I'd >not bet on it. > >The boy tried to plug the keyboard into something other than the PC's >keyboard port :-). > >> are trying to conn a computer out of their parents. >> If I hear any more I will pass it along. >> >> Charlie Fox >> >> > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

New rescue list

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse upon myself. The URL is http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html . I have added a "Current as of" date for each person, to help root out obsolete info. Right now, those are all set to the list creation date (11-Jun-97). If you find any of your info is wrong, let me know. I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know if you object to this treatment of your address. Bill.

27 years, 11 months

VLB Ethernet card

by boss＠ibmhelp.com

I'm not sure if this would qualify as classic or not, but I have a little VLB 486 machine that needs a 32-bit Ethernet BNC NIC. If you have one you'd like to unload, please email. I've got a bunch of old books and manuals (mostly IBM stuff) for trade, or I have some money laying around if you prefer it. <g> thanks David -- David Wollmann DST / DST Data Conversion ICQ: 10742063 http://www.ibmhelp.com/

27 years, 11 months

off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by peacock＠simconv.com

On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main > reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the > legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. I guess you have to grow up with the right mindset. True, the system is bizarre, but sometimes it can work in your favor too, if you can get a better shyster^h^h^h^h^h lawyer. And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). Jack Peacock

27 years, 11 months

off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Marty＠itgonline.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/22/98 5:15 PM Jack Peacock wrote: >And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always >alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, >or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your >local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all >time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). > Jack Peacock As my friend, Vinnie, once told me many years ago, "Legbreakers are cheaper than lawyers, and often more effective". The other piece of advice he gave me was, "Never antagonize guys whose middle name is 'The'. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul22.171540.1767.52764; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:15:41 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA26318; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:47 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA39878 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:44 -0700 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA25548 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:43 -0700 Received: from [205.134.227.91] (ppp-asfm04--192.sirius.net [205.134.240.192]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id NAA11730 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <v03007802b1dc0c503522(a)[205.134.227.91]> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:40:48 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rax <rax(a)warbaby.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq In-Reply-To: <41F0302DCC1BD011AF6100AA00B845A816C4E2(a)mail.simconv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rax(a)pop.sirius.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

27 years, 11 months

off topic: rediculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>> Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. >>> Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. [rest of story snipped - you've all seen it several times!] > I have to throw in my 2 cents worth. You read about this stuff but you > wonder if it really happens. IT DOES! A member of my family was one of > the defendents in a trial very similar to this. The thing about that trial > that amazed me was the facts that were keep FROM the jury. The behind the > scenes rangling to suppress evidence was incredible. It's no wonder > lawyers get such huge settlements considering how the jurys are > manipulated and spoon feed only what the lawyers want them to hear. What price the oath to tell "the whole truth"? (In danger of getting seriously off topic here!) If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. It is marginally (but only marginally) better over here - European harmonisation is making it worse, as did the Margaret Thatcher premiership... Philip.

27 years, 11 months

classic computer list??

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote: > > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer > > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an > > > individual. > > > > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again. > > ... > > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List > > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html > > (Collectors by areas) > > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page > > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ > > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...) > > Name: Classic Computer ListOp > > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/ > > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?) > > > > And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at > > http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp Uh, I took that down due to zero participation. A distributed anything with only one node is a truly pitiful sight. There is still a web page there, but now it's just my own little corner of the web - no more grand schemes. Bill.

27 years, 11 months

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