LARTed with a tesla coil, right? So how do you propose using a pc in
a building without three-prong sockets?
>I do, and if I catch anyone removing safety earth connections in my
>workshop, they will be LARTed. I am serious. I've worked enough with
the
>mains to know how dangerous it can be.
>
I doubt 240 vs. 110 is much difference as far as heart muscle is
concerned
>(a) If I want to commit suicide I will do :-). But I don't want to set
>booby traps in my workshop. Perhaps I'm more careful becausewe've got
240V
>mains here.
>
So, why have I never felt anything touching a PC case? I've done it
many times, I've touched insides many times, and I've never felt so
much as a tingle. Would I be able to use a VOM to find this voltage?
>
>Right, an explanation. The 'Earth' wire goes to the metal PC case, and
>also to the thrid pin of the plug. 'Neutral' is connected to earth at
the
>main distribution board (US), last distribution transformer (UK), and
is
>effectively earth. And live is 110V (or 240V) above that.
>
>Now, the 2 capacitors on the left form a capacitive potential divider.
So
>if the earth wire is not bonded to ground, then the midpoint of that is
>going to be at half mains voltage - 55V (or 120V) wrt neutral, which is
>efectively local earth. That means the case of the PC - the external
metal
>case - is at that voltage wrt local earth. Now the capacitor values
>_should_ limit the available current, but I'd not bet on it. Also, the
>capacitors should be a special safety type which are unable to fail
>shorted (I forget the type - it's either class X or class Y), but I've
>seen plenty of cheap-n-nasty PSUs with just 600V capacitors in this
>position. If I spot them like that, they get replaced, BTW.
>
>And that's what I'm going on about. Not that the keyboard was live, but
>that the metal case of the PC had a significant voltage wrt local
earth.
>Normally you'd not notice it - the front panel is probably plastic, so
>are the floppy drives, etc. But reach round the back to plug in the
>keyboard cable, touch the back of the case, and zap!
>
>
>> like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about
>
>> sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the
>
>I am not fanatical about safety - I do plenty of things that can be
>considered dangerous. I use machine tools, I change CRTs, I work on
>30kV supplies, I work on mains, I repair SMPSUs, I even work on live
>equipment if necessary. And yes I defeat safety interlocks if there's a
>good reason for so doing, and I know what the consequences are. But
there's
>no way you'll catch me removing an earth connection without a _very_
good
>reason.
>
>
>> boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know
>> of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them
>> w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which
>
>The backplate of an XT keyboard is connected to the body of the DIN
plug.
>If that's live for any reason, then there's something seriously wrong -
>see above.
>
>> could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the
>
>There is no voltage on a keyboard connector that can kill - at least
not
>if the rest of the PC is correctly wired. I'd touch any component in a
>working XT keyboard and I'd live to tell the tale.
>
>> wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with
>> hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could
>> undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad
>
>Argh!!! I prefer to use proper cable joined with proper connectors -
with
>insulation and strain reliefs.
>
>-tony
>
>
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In message "VC404 The Standard", lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com writes:
> One of my recent curbside finds is a machine put out by a Canadian company
>based in Waterloo Ont called Volker-Craig model vg-400. On the front it has a
>title VC404 The Standard.
I also have a 404, discarded from a university lab many years ago.
These terminals seem to have been popular in university student
terminal rooms because they were relatively cheap. I seem to recall
that the company founders were ex-University of Waterloo people.
I've seen 404s not just in Canada but also in Britain, where they were
the standard terminals on a university Vax system I once used. So I'm
not too surprised Tony has a tech manual. (Actually, I wouldn't be
surprised if Tony had a tech manual for Noah's Ark :)
>It has a k-b attached with ribbon cable
Unfortunately the keyboards were not that robust and after a few
generations of students pounding away on them, the keyboard or the
ribbon cable often became unreliable.
>In the back it
>has a 25 pin RS232 connector, a BNC labelled "composite video" ,2 switches :
>one 3-pos.to configure parity the other "Transparent on off"
That video connector on the back was useful for hooking into a big
classroom overhead monitor so a whole class could learn from observing a
terminal session.
These terminals are very helpful for debugging RS-232 communications.
The "transparent" switch on the back lets you choose to display all the
ASCII control codes (eg, instead of performing a "line feed" it displays
a little LF symbol).
Larry, I don't have any tech docs but I do have a thin user manual.
About all it tells you is what the special control codes are to clear
the screen, move the cursor, etc. Still, it's the information you need
to run Wordstar with it! E-mail me with your snail-mail address
and I'll run off a copy for you.
Regards,
Arlen
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unwanted jokes and chain letters from people who have my address.
It's amazing, every few weeks the "Bill Gates goes to heaven" joke
is rediscovered...
>I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase
>of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the
>usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also
>be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made
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Weird. Maybe there is damage to some ROM somewhere? If you have
another floppy drive, try plugging that in. I've never had any
problems with my Superdrive
>On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad
<tomowad(a)earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>> 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which
>>contains System 6.0.1.
>> 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains
that
>the
>>disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full"
install
>>script. Arrrgh...
>
>>>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you
>>>tried a genuine System Tools disk?
>
> Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the
aforementioned
>SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the
*only*
>disk that I've gotten to work so far.
>
>
>Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com>
> - ClubWin/CW6
> - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
> - Preserver of "classic" computers
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I am sorry, but I really have to ask this before I do anything else.
THe keyboard ribbon cable on the thing had some chipped contacts at
the location of a bend near the socket. This prevented use of many
keys. So, I trimmed the cable. This lets the kb work fine, but is
barely long enough to get to the edge connector, and once there it
won't stay properly. And now the damn thing is becoming chipped
again. What should I do? I can't replace the ribbon because the whole
keyboard circuit board is one piece of plastic film (two layers).
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At 02:41 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My
[...]
>That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for
>email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email
Yep, they do. I've got a page stored on my pager that came from a spammer
trolling for e-mail addresses on web pages. (My pager can be reached at
<4152010273(a)alphapage.airtouch.com> and there is are links to said address
on my site.) I've gotten several such pages (but only keep the one to show
people.)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
I was corresponding with this fellow a while back. He indicated that some
or all of the gear listed -might- get shipped to a staging point in the US
of A.
I've had no further word on that, and I'm in no position to buy anything
right at the moment. However, that may not hold true for other
CLASSICCMP'ers. With that in mind, check out the site and, if interested,
contact Mr. Tey directly.
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>Subject: bargain hunting!
>
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>
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> Unfortunatly anyone that posts to this list is suceptable to SPAM since
> these message are archived on the web.
> Then again, maybe I'm just starting to get overly paranoid, but I doubt it.
I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase
of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the
usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also
be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made
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usefull filter just triggering '$$$' :)
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At 10:19 PM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer
>Products)
>>article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or
>>86/DOS...). Thanks.
>>
>>>I may have the original article. What issue was it in?
>
Does anyone know if there was an index published for BYTE? Don't remember
even annual ones in the Dec. issues. I always missed them.
I do have a short one which goes to the end of 1976. Some of my issues are
in boxes where I cannot get to very easily.
-Dave
On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer
Products)
>article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or
>86/DOS...). Thanks.
>
>>I may have the original article. What issue was it in?
I don't know. Tim Shoppa mentioned the article series last week, and
since I'm on a DOS 1.1 reverse engineering kick lately, I thought that the
article would be appropriate.
I would guess if Tim Patterson is talking about the predecessor of DOS,
it would be in the late-79 to mid-80 range (hedging by bets a little). I
guess that it could be as late as mid-1981 (based on the introduction of the
5150).
Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com>
- ClubWin/CW6
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Preserver of "classic" computers
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>Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my
>own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse
>upon myself.
Great!
>I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My
>favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description
>of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know
>if you object to this treatment of your address.
That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for
email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email
address has an 'x' in it?
Anyway, please add me to the list.
Pennsylvania
Tom Owad
York, PA
tomowad(a)earthlink.net
Location: Southcentral PA., Willing to pick up. How far I'll go depends
on how interesting the computer is.
Area of Interest: Anything other than IBM PC's and compatibles,
especially Apples and DECs
Thanks,
Tom
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Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net>
wrote:
> 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which
>contains System 6.0.1.
> 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that
the
>disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install
>script. Arrrgh...
>>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you
>>tried a genuine System Tools disk?
Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the aforementioned
SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the *only*
disk that I've gotten to work so far.
Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com>
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- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Preserver of "classic" computers
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Do you have those weird two-prong things? My building is full of them
They're screws with a rounded head, and nothing on it but two little
pits.
>> > Ever done an IBM 5151 monitor? It's painful, and the details are
not in
>> > any IBM manual (for all there's a schematic given).
>>
>> The thing I don't like about a lot of IBM stuff is the torx screws
with a
>> pin in the middle to stop as ordinary torx bit fitting. (I have been
known
>
>Yes, PC power supplies tend to be full of them. The proper tool - a
>tamperproof Torx bit - is pretty easy to obtain, actually. As are
>tamperproof hex (like allen keys with a hole in the middle), tri-wing,
>Torq, etc. I have the lot...
>
>-tony
>
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At 09:04 AM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote:
>knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI?
CLI: Command Line Interface
(As in, DOS, CP/M, RSTS/E, (sometimes) Unix, TRSDOS, MPE, etc.)
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This one actually cost me some bucks, so I'll want to get at least
something for it. However, I promise not to be outrageous. ;-)
I have an operating/service manual, brand new, for the Hewlett-Packard
3456A DVM (yes, the meter's over ten years old -- produced in 1982, to be
exact). I'd like to see it go to someone who has one of the meters but no
manual.
HP gets $44.00 plus tax for the thing. I'm asking $25.00, plus postage.
Anyone?
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human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Sorry about the blanks, folks, Lynx doesn't let me delete them.
This one I must agree with. Thank god I had some metric phillips
drivers to turn those Torx screws!!!
>You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried
to
>open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble.
>
>Jeff
>
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For one thing, I don't think there's anything wrong with cheaters,
I have three or four connected to power strips and a microwave. If
a problem should happen, touching the case could cause instant death,
but a) so what b) what are the odds c)in an old apartment building
like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about
it to the landlord. They won't even replace the valves on the
radiators! I might decide to actually attach those things to ground
sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the
boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know
of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them
w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which
could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the
wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with
hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could
undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad
habits). In general, it's not too hard to believe. There's nothing
that could be done to prevent this from happening every so often.
>
>I would offer the following possible explanations :
>
>The PC was earthed (as it should be), and the boy was carrying a static
>charge. Zap!, but not fatal, or even a cause of serious injury.
Touching
>any piece of earthed metal would have had the same effect
>
>The PC case was connected to mains earth, which for some reason due to
>dangerous wiring wasn't the same as the local earth. If that's the
case,
>time to check out all the wiring before more accidents happen.
>
>The PC case wasn't earthed, and was floating at about half mains
voltage
>due to the filtering components. This is acutally a nasty problem, and
is
>caused by idiots who use those 2 pin cheater adapters. The mains filter
>capacitors shouldn't be able to pass enough current to be fatal, but
I'd
>not bet on it.
>
>The boy tried to plug the keyboard into something other than the PC's
>keyboard port :-).
>
>> are trying to conn a computer out of their parents.
>> If I hear any more I will pass it along.
>>
>> Charlie Fox
>>
>>
>
>-tony
>
>
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Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my
own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse
upon myself.
The URL is http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html . I
have added a "Current as of" date for each person, to help root out obsolete
info. Right now, those are all set to the list creation date (11-Jun-97).
If you find any of your info is wrong, let me know.
I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My
favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description
of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know
if you object to this treatment of your address.
Bill.
I'm not sure if this would qualify as classic or not, but I have a little VLB
486 machine that needs a 32-bit Ethernet BNC NIC. If you have one you'd like to
unload, please email. I've got a bunch of old books and manuals (mostly IBM
stuff) for trade, or I have some money laying around if you prefer it. <g>
thanks
David
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On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
> If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main
> reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the
> legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these.
I guess you have to grow up with the right mindset. True, the system is
bizarre, but sometimes it can work in your favor too, if you can get a
better shyster^h^h^h^h^h lawyer.
And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always
alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight,
or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your
local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all
time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas).
Jack Peacock
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Date: 7/22/98 5:15 PM
Jack Peacock wrote:
>And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always
>alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight,
>or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your
>local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all
>time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas).
> Jack Peacock
As my friend, Vinnie, once told me many years ago, "Legbreakers are cheaper
than lawyers, and often more effective". The other piece of advice he gave
me was, "Never antagonize guys whose middle name is 'The'.
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>>> Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off.
>>> Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses.
[rest of story snipped - you've all seen it several times!]
> I have to throw in my 2 cents worth. You read about this stuff but you
> wonder if it really happens. IT DOES! A member of my family was one of
> the defendents in a trial very similar to this. The thing about that trial
> that amazed me was the facts that were keep FROM the jury. The behind the
> scenes rangling to suppress evidence was incredible. It's no wonder
> lawyers get such huge settlements considering how the jurys are
> manipulated and spoon feed only what the lawyers want them to hear.
What price the oath to tell "the whole truth"?
(In danger of getting seriously off topic here!)
If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main
reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the
legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these.
It is marginally (but only marginally) better over here - European
harmonisation is making it worse, as did the Margaret Thatcher
premiership...
Philip.
On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence Walker wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote:
> > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer
> > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an
> > > individual.
> >
> > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again.
> > ...
> > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List
> > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html
> > (Collectors by areas)
> > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page
> > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/
> > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...)
> > Name: Classic Computer ListOp
> > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/
> > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?)
> >
>
> And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at
>
> http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp
Uh, I took that down due to zero participation. A distributed anything
with only one node is a truly pitiful sight.
There is still a web page there, but now it's just my own little corner
of the web - no more grand schemes.
Bill.