Electronic music:
One item I reported I had was not from PCC-77 but instead an obscure
event known as the Philadephia Computer Music Festival in 78. That was an
effort of Creative computing. It featured music from:
RCA COSMAC VIP system with 4k and super soundboard.
ALF a system of up to 8 boards one per voice for s100.
SSMSB-1 S100 that could be used in groups.
Notran done at NCSU on an ambilog 200 (obscure 30 bit machine).
Software techology on SOL20
Schertz S100 based hardware
Newtech system another s100 card basically a DAC.
BEll labs Computer speach as featured at the 1964 NY Worlds Fair.
Name of programmer/performers:
Mel Richman
Joe Weisbecker
Gooitzen van der Wal
Andrew Modia
John Ridges
Malcolm Wright and Steve North
Hal Chamberlin
David Ahl
Donanld Schertz
Dorothy Siegal
D.H.Van Lenten
That list is also a whos who of early pre PC computing.
Allison
< >Actually there was DECnet-8! Dual processor machines were not uncommon
<
< Any further information (or pointers) to either DECnet-8 or dual process
< would be of interest.
Check the archive at dbit.com or at uu.se. Sorry the full addresses are
elsewhere. It is on the net in amoung the other PDP-8 software.
< Was DECnet-8 compatible with later DECnets (Phase III or IV)?
I don't think it was even phase-III. There was never eithernet.
< I did already check with Tim and the lads at the site. Plenty of
< binaries, no docs. Too bad too cause it's just what I need.
Go back and look again. there are docs there as both PS and PDF files.
Also more are being added when possible.
Allison
> Can I make use of the Centronics interface? What type of 'serial car'
> do you recommend? Can I use my Apple //c w/serial port but w/o CP/M?
No, or at least not without doing some own programming (the
Paralell boards for the ][ uses 652x devices in most cases).
Yes, the Serial of the //c is an ordinary, build in Super
Serial Card. But the //c will read CP/M files only in RAW
mode - so any nibble copy programm (or even RWTS programms)
can copy CP/M disks from DOS (>3.2, 16 Sector DOS) or ProDOS.
If you want to copy CP/M files logicaly (I think thats what
you need for transfer) you could only use the CP/M environment.
The best way is to put a SSC in an ][, ][+ or //e boot CP/M
and use MODEM7 for Transfer (and _ANY_ programm on the PC :)
You could also use any other serial card, if it is supported
by your CP/M - But its hard to find anything not SSC compatible .)
Gruss
H.
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HRK
< which output a tape to another machine, referred to only as a "PB
< 250 Computer" [Pitney Bowes?] [Packard Bell?] which acted as the
Packard Bell, I know where there is a 250 even!
FYI I have a vinyl of early computer music some of which was rendered in
such a way as you describe. I picked it up at PCC'76 or maybe 77.
Back then there were a lot of different efforts to render computer music.
Some were quite interesting but the best of the day was from the people
with the blue boards that called themselves SSM or Solid State Music.
Allison
Wasn't someone looking for Vic 20's for their collections? (Dan???) I'm
sure this person will part out what they have even though they think
they may be able to get a package offer. Contact them at the Erols.Com
address listed below.
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Linda Ballard <gardener(a)erols.com>
Stafford, VA Stafford - Sunday, July 26, 1998 at 17:41:21
We currently own six C64 computers, seven 1541s, two C128s,
two Vic 20s, several monitors, Amigas, printers, etc. and
would like to know who to contact regading selling all our
C64 and Amiga equipment. We have tons of games and mag-
azines also. All are in great condition (some never used).
We would like to clear out our playroom so would prefer to
sell everything all at once and not one piece at a time.
Contact us for details.
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does anyone have any experience using hardware copyright keys? I picked
up a couple copies of some software from a thrift shop today and some of
them ask for hardware keys- the most info i can find is something about
serial card plugs? It didn't have them in the box, and I couldn't track
down any info on who donated them. am I completely out of luck ? It
seems to me that I would have to buy a whole copy from the original
seller of the software, but I doubt they're still in business. any info?
-Eric
< How many instructions? I believe the Pentium has on the order of 80, not
< sure.
More like 100+, not counting all the addressing modes. the instuction set
for the 8086 is many times larger than the PDP-8. The PDP-8 instuction
set is 47 (most all variations included), it's very minimal.
< They weren't networked at all? I mean, there weren't instances of
< connecting two machines with cables?
Actually there was DECnet-8! Dual processor machines were not uncommon.
but they were not networked like you would current machines. It was not
the mindset of that era and generally not required.
Allison
If you want to go the underground route, there are cracking programs that
defeat the hardware (dongle) locks on some programs. But I'm not suggesting
that you do it or anything.
At 09:54 PM 7/26/98 -0500, Poesie wrote:
>does anyone have any experience using hardware copyright keys? I picked
>up a couple copies of some software from a thrift shop today and some of
>them ask for hardware keys- the most info i can find is something about
>serial card plugs? It didn't have them in the box, and I couldn't track
>down any info on who donated them. am I completely out of luck ? It
>seems to me that I would have to buy a whole copy from the original
>seller of the software, but I doubt they're still in business. any info?
>
>-Eric
>
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< I'm hoping someone might have spare copies of DR PL/I-86 (CPM86)
< documents (Reference Manual & Programmer's Manual).
Visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site.
MAIN SITE AT : http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm
MIRROR AT : http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm
It was down for a few days, if it's not up check the mirror.
Allison
The main problem with these machines is that they are still so heavily used that noone wants to give up the media (cd-roms, etc). You can try comp.sys.next.marketplace. There are also some websites... http://www.orb.com and http://www.deepspacetech.com.
Mostly what you probably need is a >300 mb standard SCSI harddrive, a cd-rom player that works with that machine [there are many but not all work] and the cd-rom media (NeXTStep 3.3 is probably the best).
If you were near me I'd tell you just to come by and I'd do a builddisk for you. Perhaps someone else will offer. $25 was a good deal- last time I checked they were still going for a couple hundred. Poor kid!
Once you get it working there's tons of software around for it, some of it the best quality available... try http://peanuts.leo.org and http://www.peak.org/next.
The machines, although great performers for their time are getting slow by today's standards. Because of that, and the fact that Mac OS X Server (aka Rhapsody) is somewhat available, the prices should be dropping lower.
Thomas
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From: Anthony Eros <Anthony.Eros(a)digital.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:21:17 -0400
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: NeXtStation TurboColor
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I picked up a NeXtStation TurboColor box today at a hamfest. A kid had
just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes and a small stack of manuals and sold
me the extra system box for $25. No memory or hard disk and (of course)
no monitor, cable, keyboard, mouse or software.
Does anyone have experience with these systems? Any tips on getting
the pieces needed to get it running?
-- Tony
>I'm also looking for original PL/I programs for microcomputer platforms
>if anyone has some collecting dust.
Do you mean compilers (I think DR was the only one to do PL/I), or do
you mean application programs for an 8086 that used PL/I? I used the DR
compiler to do a sports handicapping system and a mailing list system.
It used DR's Acess Manager for the ISAM file system, and DR's Display
Manager to draw forms on terminals. It ran on an 80286 based Concurrent
DOS (aka MP/M II) custom built S-100 system. I believe I still have the
source code somewhere, if that's what you are looking for.
Jack Peacock
First of all, I believe it could be untwisted by pulling off the
back cover of the connector and pulling the cable off. Also, I
believe the IBM controllers walk fine with jumper-selected drives,
just that everyone uses the half twist thing.
>I've been tinkering with my Kaypro to try to eliminate the errors that
drive B
>has been giving me. Putting in a new floppy drive didn't seem to fix
them;
>I wonder if it's the cable? (As is, the Kaypro supports two drives
(SA400 or
>equivalent). The original owner bought a little hardware thingie that
does
>something to the drive-select signals to add support for four drives;
he also
>added a connector to the cable for drive C between A's and B's
connectors.
>I currently have no drive C, and only drive B is giving me problems --
that's
>why I suspect the cable.)
>
>So I bought a new cable. It has that stupid half-twist, so I'm
wondering how
>to coax my system into working with the new cable. I think I
understand the
>situation from the point of view of the drives (both drives are
jumpered as
>#1, and some pins are exchanged: 10 <-> 16, 11 <-> 15, 12 <-> 14).
>But doesn't the computer have to cooperate in this farce? That is,
would I
>have to reprogram my BIOS to mess things up in the same way as the IBM
PC's
>hardware, so that the drive cable can do its part and thus it all ends
up
>(sort of) working?
>
>It's worth trying the new cable (though it seems rather cheap, and
there's a
>break in the insulation, though that could be because I dropped it on a
>concrete floor at the store). But if it's too much trouble, I'll skip
it.
>
>Incidentally: God damn IBM for cutting corners this way, and making
people
>think shenanigans like this are totally normal and to be expected, and
messing
>with a perfectly reasonable interface.
>
>-- Derek
>
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I certainly do not want to propagate any more off-topic stuff, so
maybe e-mail would be mo bettah.
Having said that: The Model III that I have was used primarily for
R2D2, some of the ancillary robot, droid and creature noises, and a
lot of the tracks for the Alien Roadhouse Band, etc., etc. Thus I
was told by the previous owner, and corroborated by one of the
editors who worked on the pic.
Csound *is* in the digital domain, but it's output needs to be
made into a voltage somewhere; the early PDP11 versions used the
DACs of the day... in fact MUSIC IV was used entirely offline, one
coded the program, punched cards, waited until the (lowest-priority)
job was run [to tape], the the tape(s) were taken to another
facility to be rendered through DACs to am analog recording. *Then*
you debugged...
Zane, I would like very much to have an (archival only, honest!) CD
copy of the Hyman recording.
BACK ON TOPIC PART: I would love to locate some 70a vintage DACS,
prferably standalone boxes, or more DAC cards for my MINC. I am
trying to consolidate all the info/software/hardware I can around
the DEC Mini line and music. I have a wonderful picture of a PDP-5
system running a music notation and translation interface for MUSIC
IV at Bell Labs in the late 60s. It then sent code to an IBM 7094,
which output a tape to another machine, referred to only as a "PB
250 Computer" [Pitney Bowes?] [Packard Bell?] which acted as the
translator and DAC. I have soundsheets in the book of music
realized on this machine, and I'll put them up on my FTP site any
day now... (Thanks to Marvin, from whom I stole the book)
Damn, drifting off topic again... sigh.
I guess I should output a list of my collection....
Nah, too bleedin' hot right now.
Cheers to all
John
< Help? I have 2 power supplies for DEC BA123 boxes which
< no longer function. I suspect that in each case, something very
< simple has gone, such as the primary capacitors on the AC/DC
Don't ditch the failed supplies. They can be hard and expensive to
find. First failure mode on them is overheat due to failed fan. Usually
that takes the internal fuse. Open with care as the caps in them can
hold a lethal charge. Rare is the failure of the caps from what I've
seen. The high voltage chopper transistor or the input rectifiers are
more likely to be suspect.
Allison
> Zane, is your record from Norlin Company? If so, it is the (quite
>rare) demo record that Norlin put out when they bought Moog music
>from Bob (Moog). I have archived several of these demos, Moog and
>ARP and Oberhiem. Be careful if you play it, they weren't on the
>best vinyl.
Thanks... I couldn't remember Bob's first name...
When I was at WPI in the mid-70s, I got a chance to work with the
Arp AX and Odyssey (and a few others for which I forget names) to
produce some music which was used in a theatrical production on
campus (Beltold Brecht's Gallileo)...
I loved getting chances to work on those things...
> ObCLASSICCMP: One of my intentions for at least one of my PDP11
>systems is to interface it to my Moog, and obtain an old copy of
>Csound or the like.. to recreate an exact environment from the
>'childhood' of electronic music.
About a decade ago, a few friends of mine and I played with some
pdp-11 controlled music generation. We got a bunch of the TI
sound generation controllers and one person (who was adept at
IC circuit design) designed us a circuit for controlling a set of
these units from a DR11C (16-bit parallel output).
I still have one prototyped at home... it allowed up to 9 voices
(three voices/chip, 3 chips) of sound, and 3 voices of percussion.
Someone else got ahold of the Stanford music software for the pdp-10
and wrote a pdp-11 version of it... we had it playing a bunch of
the old stanford songs, and I entered a few more (like Scott
Joplin's "Crush Collision Rag"). Since the hardware connected to the
AC lights of the -10 was called the MK10, we called our board the
MK11...
Somewhere I have the schematic for it...
Later on, another friend (hi, Allison) designed a DLV11-J to MIDI
interface... I have a couple of Casio CT101 synthesizers and a
sequencer...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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>Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of
>hardware was used for this?
Moog synthesizers...
'Moog' is not the kind of music ("Hey, let me put on some moog music."),
rather it is the name of the inventer of the synthesizer.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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< A few questions about clean(ing) circuits:
< a)Can dust cause any damage to a PCB? Can it short anything?
Yes, it can be conductive, block cooling and host molds and fungi.
< b)What do you recommend for cleaning out PCBs if there's lot of it,
< or spiderwebs, mold whatever?
Vacuum with a conductive (carbon/plastic fiber) brush.
< c)Does distilled water cause rust?
Rust is the product of oxidation. Air is the culprit. Water _may_
instigate electrolisys if not fully dried and power is appiled.
< d)Can distilled water be used to clean circuits?
Yes.
< e)As I understand, tap/spring/rain/etc. water is full of minerals
< and that's why it's conductive as well as rust-causing
Not enough to be a significant problem if it's dried. I have been known
to put grungy boards in the dishwasher. Works very well. The board must
be completely dried (160-180F overn works well).
< f)A while ago, I picked up a bunch of 5.25" diskettes, which I hardly
< allowed to dry before I put them into the plastic box. Now I
< looked inside, and mold is spreading from the Microsoft Assembler
< diskettes onto the Apple II ones. What is safe to use to clean
< the mold (it's reeely disgusting!)?
Dish soap and water.
Allison
A little slow again but I'll keep looking. Found the following items on
Friday and Saturday: 1) 386 tower loaded, cdrom, 51/4 and 3.5 FD's, sound
card, fax/modem, and all for $15 at Goodwill;
2) Mac 512k MB for $5 just to get a MacSnap SCSI board by DOVE that was
mounded on it;
3) Manual for Xerox 6060 family of machines Free;
4) HP2686A laserjet service manual;
5) HP2663A Technical reference manual;
6) Model 950 kb .80 at thrift;
7) Mac Plus mouse .80 at thrift;
8) Mac HD20 M0135 that hooks to the FD port for 3.83 at thrift;
9) EPSON EQUITY III with plus II XL hardcard in it, and a internal tape
backup unit for 4.04 at thrift;
10) KAYPRO CP/M manual dated Jan 1978 for 1.00 at thrift;
11) KAYPRO II user's guide dated Feb 1983 for 1.00 at thrift;
12) Z81 at thrift for free;
13) Atari Super Pong Console model TV-190 at thrift for free;
14) Mac 128k KB for free;
15) VIC 20 power supply free;
16) Vic20 cartridges- PacMan, Raid on Fort Knox, Doney Kong, Demon Attack
all free at thrift;
17) TRS80 26-3022 Color computer mini disk ext FD unit free;
18) box full of about 6 different apple II cards for free;
19) HP D1182A VGA monitor made in 1988 but works great for .80 at thrift;
20) NEC PC-8201A with printer and amanuals for $10;
21) CRT tube tester model 159 with manual and very old $12 not tested yet
made by Acurate Instrument Co. of Bronk NY no date anywhere;
22) and several ohter items too new to talk about here for now.
That it for now keep computing John
I've recently gotten the necessary hardware and software together to
transfer Records (16, 33, 45, and 78) to CD. As part of this I was digging
through my parents Record collection and found a record that is Moog music.
It was something I was looking for, as it was so unusual that I remember
when my dad brought it home over 20 years ago.
Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of hardware
was used for this?
Zane
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ok, yet another Q for those of you out there who have run across these.
anyone have a suggestion for where i might come across a ~20mb RLL
drive? 3.5" size, don't have the model #'s on me at the moment although
I recall with the toshiba it was a JVC. seems to me from what I could
pull off the net that these drives seem to die often.
-Eric
What's Moog music?
At 12:21 PM 7/26/98 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>I've recently gotten the necessary hardware and software together to
>transfer Records (16, 33, 45, and 78) to CD. As part of this I was digging
>through my parents Record collection and found a record that is Moog music.
>It was something I was looking for, as it was so unusual that I remember
>when my dad brought it home over 20 years ago.
>
>Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of hardware
>was used for this?
>
> Zane
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>
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Ok, this is a repost since the original responder had to back out for
whatever reason...
I have some excess Zenith Z248 equipment to get out of my way and
would prefer a trade of other equipment for
these..
I have two ZDS ZWS 248's, these are the planar units that the
286-12 processor board plugs into. Complete
main units with the planar board, power supply, cpu board, I/O
board HDD/floppy controller (MFM), MDA
video card, drive bay inserts, etc. You need to add drives and it
will take any drive from 360k to 1.44m. It takes
all sorts of MFM hard drives as well and can probably accomodate an
SCSI or ESDI in place of the MFM
controller which will allow larger drive types. 512k on the cpu
card. They have two open 5.25" bays, one has a
filler that can be removed.
There's also another identical unit without a power supply. It's a
case, planar board, drive bay inserts, 2 I/O
boards. Mostly for parts or use to build up with parts you find
elsewhere.
I need $25 plus shipping for ALL THREE (as a package) or will trade
for something that I can use such as
cdroms, hard drives, SIMMs, microchannel adapters,etc, etc, etc....
I would really like to get a couple 2X or
higher SCSI cdrom drives, caddy type or tray load or larger SCSI
hard drives whether full, half, 5.25 or 3.5"...
Drop me a line if interested. I also have two ZDS memory cards that
work on these to bring the 512k up past
1024k that I would like $10 each or trade for. They are not open to
sale/trade until the other units are gone and
the new owner decides they don't want them.
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Found this on the obsolete computer helpline and thought one or two of
you might be interested in a Model 1. Please contact the author of the
inquiry at the AOL address direct, not me.
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G.R.Sippel <Geosip(a)aol.com>
Indianapolis, IN US - Sunday, July 26, 1998 at 13:17:39
I have a TRS80 Model 1 in very good condition and want to know how
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are there hard drives for laptops that are smaller than the 2.5"
drives? I have a laptop that takes an IDE hdd, but the space is about
3/4 of an inch to small to even fit a 2.5" drive. I vaguely recall
seeing something about 1.8" drives? Am I hallucinating here or does such
a creature exist?
-Eric
