On Jun 25, 11:45, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> :: On Jun 25, 10:37, Arfon Gryffydd wrote:
> > ::Can anyone tell me what DOS (name and version) works with an Apple
//e
> Actually, it can run any version of DOS (3.2 or 3.3) but for 3.2 you need
> the 3.2 controller.
Um, Sellam, are you sure you've not got 3.2/3.3 compatibility round the
wrong way? The P5A and P6A PROMs that came on Disk ][ cards sold with DOS
3.3 (16-sector) can also handle the encoding used for DOS 3.2 (13-sector),
but P5 and P6 PROMs supplied with Disk ][ cards can't handle the encoding
used by DOS 3.3. There are a very few exceptions related to copy protected
disks, of course, which is why some of us had switchable cards.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hello, I'm trying to netboot my Sun 3/60 (from my Linux box). None of the
HOWTOs I can find are very clear on how to do this. I've recompiled my
kernel for rarp and nfs. My ethernet card works (00:00:C0:73:50:52) and my
Sun is 8:0:20:6:10:35. When I try to run a command like /sbin/rarp -s
192.168.1.10 8:0:20:6:10:35 I get the error: SIOCSRARP: Network is
unreachable . Any ideas? I think I have the correct kernel for the Sun,
but that shouldn't matter -- it should at least try to talk to my Linux
box, right? When I do >b le() on my Sun, it says
Boot: le(0,0,0)
Reqesting Internet address for 8:0:20:6:10:35
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kevin
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I wrote a while ago about Russian microcomputers. A couple of days ago I received my first two, and throught I'd write a brief description to the list.
"Microsha"
Appears to be a (souped-up) Spectrum clone in functionality, but looks totally different. Quite cool, actually... Keyboard unit in dirty yellow (Atari 800-style colour and basic appearance) but much flatter (about 1.5" thick). Red and blue keys in a really weird cyrillic layout.
Each key has two labels, shown in pairs here. Many of the Cyrillic letters are unreproducible in ASCII, so I'll enclose a best guess in [...] The first of the pair is the TOP marking on a key, the second is the lower marking.
Top row:
(;+) (1!) (2") (3#) (4[circle with 4 prongs]) (5%) (6&) (7[triangle]) (8[left bracket]) (9[right bracket]) (0) (-=) (red: cyrillic [GT]) (red: cyrillic [AR2])
row 2
([backward n with accent][right square bracket]) ([CH]C) (yU) (KK) (EE) (HN) ([G]G) ([sch][left square bracket??]) ([sc??][right square bracket??]) ([zh]Z) (XH) (:*) (red: [PS]) (red: [VK])
row 3
(red: yC) ([ph]F) ([bI]Y) ([B]W) (AA) ([P]P) ([R]R) (OO) ([L]L) ([D]D) ([??V]V) ([3]\) (.>) (red: PyC LAT)
row 4
(red: [HP]) ([backward R]Q) ([sort of y]^) ([C]S) (MM) ([bacward N]I) (TT) ([b]X) ([b with bar]B) ([circle with half plus]@) (,<) (/?) ([b with bar overhang left]_)
row 5
two small space keys for left/right thumb.
Keyboard has a "keypad" section at right, with contents
left diagonal up arrow, F1, F2
left arrow, up arrow, right arrow
F3, f4, f5
down arrow, CTP
What a bizarre organization!!!
Keys are i correct positions - size differences confirm this.
anyway, the gist of it is that the keyboard isn't QWERTY, but more like CUKENG
It looks so very alien. Weight: abot 2lbs at a guess.
Unit has an expansion interface at back (RAM?) which plugs in at right angles (ie: a bit like a cart slot on an Atari 800, again). Several other interface ports on back, the most interesting is a square unit simply marked (interface 2) with a 3 x 10 female connector.
I have the manuals and power supply for this machine. I'll do a picture if there's any interest.
I also have about ten cassette tapes of original software for this one.
The other machine is a PDP-11 processor-clone machine called BK-0010
It's in original box, with all documentation. More about that later, if there's any interest.
Cheers
A
Well good! I was wondering what to do with these, so, knowing that I don't
have to feel I should gouge someone for them, I can give them away.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 5:34 AM
Subject: RE: 8" floppy media with 32 hard sectors
>>I see there are floppy diskettes being auctioned off on eBay. I =
>>remember too that there was some discussion about where one might get =
>>some hard-sectored diskettes. Well,folks, I have a box of new ones! =
>>Though the box was ruined, the plastic bag inside protected the media, =
>>so they were undamaged by the moisture which got in due to a damaged =
>>shrink-wrap on the box. =20
>
>You know, it isn't that hard to find these (despite what everyone seems
>to claim.) Take a look at http://www.athana.com/, specifically at part
>number 47-0801 on the "diskettes" page :-).
>
>Tim.
>has anyone seen the movie 'Three Days of the Condor'? there are many
>computers shown. the only one i think i can identify is an Imsai with a
>tape drive (?).
Heh heh - talk about misidentification. That's a PDP-8 with DECTape drives!
Since when did Imsai's have orange and burnt amber front panels with
light bulbs? :-)
--
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Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
>>I see there are floppy diskettes being auctioned off on eBay. I =
>>remember too that there was some discussion about where one might get =
>>some hard-sectored diskettes. Well,folks, I have a box of new ones! =
>>Though the box was ruined, the plastic bag inside protected the media, =
>>so they were undamaged by the moisture which got in due to a damaged =
>>shrink-wrap on the box. =20
>You know, it isn't that hard to find these (despite what everyone seems
>to claim.) Take a look at http://www.athana.com/, specifically at part
>number 47-0801 on the "diskettes" page :-).
And if you don't mind paying a lot more than Athana charges, you can go
to http://store.imation.com/ and select 8" SS-DD-32-W/WP, 8" DS-DD-32-W/WP,
or the 8" SS-SD-32-W/WP.
Tim.
>I see there are floppy diskettes being auctioned off on eBay. I =
>remember too that there was some discussion about where one might get =
>some hard-sectored diskettes. Well,folks, I have a box of new ones! =
>Though the box was ruined, the plastic bag inside protected the media, =
>so they were undamaged by the moisture which got in due to a damaged =
>shrink-wrap on the box. =20
You know, it isn't that hard to find these (despite what everyone seems
to claim.) Take a look at http://www.athana.com/, specifically at part
number 47-0801 on the "diskettes" page :-).
Tim.
has anyone seen the movie 'Three Days of the Condor'? there are many
computers shown. the only one i think i can identify is an Imsai with a
tape drive (?). there are a few others that i can't identify. one
(cast iron?)big blue punch card machine; one black face, white case
terminal with white keys; a teletype and another disassembled computer
Redford was looking into. there are glimpses of others, but those are
the ones i noticed.
I see there are floppy diskettes being auctioned off on eBay. I remember too that there was some discussion about where one might get some hard-sectored diskettes. Well,folks, I have a box of new ones! Though the box was ruined, the plastic bag inside protected the media, so they were undamaged by the moisture which got in due to a damaged shrink-wrap on the box.
Anyone interested?
Dick
In a message dated 6/25/99 5:48:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com writes:
> On Jun 25, 11:45, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > :: On Jun 25, 10:37, Arfon Gryffydd wrote:
> > > ::Can anyone tell me what DOS (name and version) works with an Apple
> //e
>
> > Actually, it can run any version of DOS (3.2 or 3.3) but for 3.2 you need
> > the 3.2 controller.
>
> Um, Sellam, are you sure you've not got 3.2/3.3 compatibility round the
> wrong way? The P5A and P6A PROMs that came on Disk ][ cards sold with DOS
> 3.3 (16-sector) can also handle the encoding used for DOS 3.2 (13-sector),
> but P5 and P6 PROMs supplied with Disk ][ cards can't handle the encoding
> used by DOS 3.3. There are a very few exceptions related to copy protected
> disks, of course, which is why some of us had switchable cards.
>
I've got several disks from apple called BASICS that will allow a dos3.3
system to boot up and manipulate dos 3.2 disks. The only dos3.2 disk I've
ever seen was/is a diagnostic disk from call-APPLE that i got in a box of
materials i got from someone. Prodos can be used with any apple ][ with 64k
and an autostart rom. There is a bug in version 1.1.1 that can trash track 0
but I've never had it happen. Later versions do not have this problem. I
think it's prodos version 1.8 (or is it 2.0) that won't run on a ][+ anymore.
Forwarded from comp.sys.3b1. Contact the owner directly.
Joe
In comp.sys.3b1, John Isenhour <isenhour(a)uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Been off the list for a long time. My free space has just shrunk
>(girlfriend induced:) and I need to retire my trusty 3b1/7300
>collection. There is almost too much
>stuff to mention, I got a lot of it from George who worked at ATT and
>had a warehouse fulla new stuff (if anyone here was on the list that far
>back)
>
>I have a 3b1 (4 MB) with the p5 upgrade and larger disk, my main
>machine,
>this is loaded to the gills with about all the hardware and software
>the old gang could help me stuff into it over the years.
>Downside - the battery is dead
>
>otherwize...
>several new in box 7300's (opened, tested, reboxed)
>several shrink wrapped system doc/software sets
>several new keyboards, also some 3b1 and 7300 mildly used ones
>memory cards
>ethernet cards
>hard disks, several, from 70 mb to 10mb
>ethernet mau's 2, (converts 15 pin ethernet to BnC connector)
>two tape drives and some tapes
>external expansion box (good for everything but memory)
>telebit t-1600 and a trailblazer modem
>serial cards
>some other cards I have forgotten what they do (voice card maybe?)
>extra power supplies
>an extra fan or so
>extra motherboards
>a few of the wd2010 controller chips
>Probably more stuff in storage I have forgotten about.
>
>I will probably move this stuff at a yard sale in two weeks, to people
>at
>the university here (UIUC). If there are any diehard unixpc types that
>are
>interested in maintaining their equipment or getting backup stuff (is
>why
>I collected so much) no reasonable offer will be refused. I would like
>to
>see this stuff get a nice home.
>
>cheers,
>john
>isenhour(a)uiuc.edu
>
>
I have a two-board Q-bus Controller for 8" hard disks. Having no use for
same, and not wishing to "go there" I'm hoping someone in this group is
curious enough to send me $6.20 for postage via USPS Priority mail, as I
don't think they'll make the 2-lb limit, being fully loaded enough to have
no identifying silkscreen markings to indicate who made them.
Any takers?
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Formatting disk on rt11
>>>Alternatively, if you have a VS2000, it has a RQDX3-compabitle
>>> formatter built into it.
>
>>I just formatted the disk in a MVII with the diagnostic tape.
>
>Or - maybe you didn't :-(. The MVII diagnostics are worse than useless.
>
>>>What error message do you get when you try DIR DU0: ? If it's a
>>>"?DIR-F-Error reading directory",
>
>>I still get this one ...
>
>Then you didn't format the RD54 successfully. The best you can hope
>for with the MVII diagnostics is to turn an already formatted RD54
>into a formatted RD54. The worst that can happen is that you
>lose an already existing format.
>
>Let me know what media it'd be useful to you on, and I'll get you a
>bootable XXDP disk/pack/cart/tape with ZRQC?? on it.
>
>>.INIT Du0:
>>DU0: Initialize are you sure ?Y
>>?DUP-F-Size function failed
>
>Yep - you need to really reformat the disk, as opposed to what the MVII
>diagnosics do. And congratulations on actually posting the command
>you used and the error message that resulted!! If only everyone else
>on the list could do the same, it'd be a much nicer world!!
>
>--
> Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
> Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
> 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
> Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
Header says it all... If you have to ask, you probably can't help... B^}
If you have one that needs a new home, drop me a note with what you're
looking for... ($, trade, favours, etc...)
[please, no "I just put one up on ePay..." notes]
-jim
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Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
You wouldn't happen to have any spare keycaps for those, would you? I've
got an ADM-3A that's missing a couple. Not where the terminal is right now,
so I can't say which for sure...
>
>I have a couple of Lear Siegler ADM-3A CRT terminals available
>for sale or trade. These are early models, with a board
>
Bill Richman
incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
Yipee. So after only two steps in the "clutch trip area" adjustment pages
I've restored "normal" operation to the reader. Per the manual I loosened
the armature extender, rotated the typing unit to the "stop position" and
adjusted the extender for the correct distance (page 7, adjustment RRA-2)
and once complete the reader returned to normal function. The bulk of the
problem was, as Tony surmised, that the arm was now too far forward which
did not allow the linkage to "catch" when the reader was turned off. Once
adjusted the reader starts and stops under switch control.
Now to hook this puppy up to the 8/E and see what I can make it do!
(acutally eventually I'll get to the point where I read in FOCAL-8 but for
now the TTY test loop would be just peachy thankyou very much.
--Chuck
Can anyone tell me what DOS (name and version) works with an Apple //e and
where I can get a copy?
Thanks,
A
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Ok, here is one for the true wireheads among us.
I finally got some time to start working on the PDP-8/i in my collection,
and started keying in some test programs with the intent of getting the
timing on the TTY interface tweaked in so I could load some serious
software, and found that the old beast seems to have an odd problem.
See if anyone has hit on this one and has a suggestion...
I can't seem to write into location 0 on any memory field?!?
Regardless of what I write into the location, it always reads back as
0000.
I can write into any other location, and all of the primary logic
functions seem to be ok... (I can load/run programs as long as they don't
need location 0)
The 'write all zeros' test program (that org's at location 4) runs as
expected...
Thots, suggestions, comments, eek!?!
-jim
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>>> Coming to VCF III (2-3 October 1999) - CBBS/NW live!
Hello all:
Does anyone have use for the above 5.25" drive?
We recently obtained a pile of junk, er, highly collectible computer crap,
and this drive was in it -- still attached to its Boat Anchor (PS/2 80).
If you are interested, reply by private e-mail with an offer, and we'll try
to fire it -- and the Boat Anchor -- up to determine its condition.
Cosmetically, it's perfect.
Regards,
Glen Goodwin
ACME Enterprises
0/0
In a message dated 6/24/99 1:48:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu writes:
> Could the Brazilian Sinclair clone phenomenon be related to Timex Computer
> Corportation's presence in Portugal? Many of the Timex/Sinclair computers
> sold in the USA were manufactured by Timex of Portugal, and the systems
> apparently remained popular in Portugal after Timex pulled out of the US
> market. If this was the case, then there may have been a ready supply of
> Portugese-language software and documentation for Sinclair clones, making
> them a reasonable choice for cloning in other Portugese-speaking
> countries.
Very interesting theory! I'll have to check with my firends in Portugal &
Brazil.
>
> Speaking of rubber-keyed ZX81 clones, Timex made such a beast for the US
> market - the Timex/Sinclair 1500. It's essentially a ZX81 with 16K of RAM
> in a Spectrum case. I have a picture of one at
>
> http://www.corestack.com/classic/machines/ts1500.html
Please -- the TS1500 case is nothing like the Spectrum case, except for the
rubber keys.
0/0
Glen Goodwin
Are the manuals in Russian or english?
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: Russian computers in hand :)))
I wrote a while ago about Russian microcomputers. A couple of days ago I received my first two, and throught I'd write a brief description to the list.
"Microsha"
Appears to be a (souped-up) Spectrum clone in functionality, but looks totally different. Quite cool, actually... Keyboard unit in dirty yellow (Atari 800-style colour and basic appearance) but much flatter (about 1.5" thick). Red and blue keys in a really weird cyrillic layout.
Each key has two labels, shown in pairs here. Many of the Cyrillic letters are unreproducible in ASCII, so I'll enclose a best guess in [...] The first of the pair is the TOP marking on a key, the second is the lower marking.
Top row:
(;+) (1!) (2") (3#) (4[circle with 4 prongs]) (5%) (6&) (7[triangle]) (8[left bracket]) (9[right bracket]) (0) (-=) (red: cyrillic [GT]) (red: cyrillic [AR2])
row 2
([backward n with accent][right square bracket]) ([CH]C) (yU) (KK) (EE) (HN) ([G]G) ([sch][left square bracket??]) ([sc??][right square bracket??]) ([zh]Z) (XH) (:*) (red: [PS]) (red: [VK])
row 3
(red: yC) ([ph]F) ([bI]Y) ([B]W) (AA) ([P]P) ([R]R) (OO) ([L]L) ([D]D) ([??V]V) ([3]\) (.>) (red: PyC LAT)
row 4
(red: [HP]) ([backward R]Q) ([sort of y]^) ([C]S) (MM) ([bacward N]I) (TT) ([b]X) ([b with bar]B) ([circle with half plus]@) (,<) (/?) ([b with bar overhang left]_)
row 5
two small space keys for left/right thumb.
Keyboard has a "keypad" section at right, with contents
left diagonal up arrow, F1, F2
left arrow, up arrow, right arrow
F3, f4, f5
down arrow, CTP
What a bizarre organization!!!
Keys are i correct positions - size differences confirm this.
anyway, the gist of it is that the keyboard isn't QWERTY, but more like CUKENG
It looks so very alien. Weight: abot 2lbs at a guess.
Unit has an expansion interface at back (RAM?) which plugs in at right angles (ie: a bit like a cart slot on an Atari 800, again). Several other interface ports on back, the most interesting is a square unit simply marked (interface 2) with a 3 x 10 female connector.
I have the manuals and power supply for this machine. I'll do a picture if there's any interest.
I also have about ten cassette tapes of original software for this one.
The other machine is a PDP-11 processor-clone machine called BK-0010
It's in original box, with all documentation. More about that later, if there's any interest.
Cheers
A
Presumably this was a hoax as the site has been disabled, and the NIC
record for WOZ.ORG indicates that it was simply a host record (rather than
a domain) and not related to Wozniak at all.
--Chuck
At 08:10 AM 6/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>With all of the avid Slashdot readers here, how did this not get posted?
>Or is my mail server dropping messages?
>
>Anyway, if there's anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this page has a bunch of
>Woz's replies to email questions about the show:
>
>http://www.woz.org/woz/commets.html
>
>I just tried it again and the site seems to be Slashdotted at the
>moment (funny, it worked fine around 3am!). Along with reasserting that he
>was the only real engineer of the bunch, he says that though the show may
>have taken liberties with hard facts, that the personalities were captured
>perfectly.
>
>Aaron
>
At 21:05 20/06/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry, but I'm not in Europe... wish I was in England, but that's another
>story..
No need to excuse ;)
I thought you were talking about Milford near London (he,he :)
It can easyly happen, considering the number of city that are present on the
two continents..
Anyway, again I would like to receive news from all the subscriber
concerning the "BEST
HAMFEST/FLEAMARKET" or VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVALS referring to the presence
of vintage computing of theyr country, (possibly with the date) with no
"continental" restrictions.
This will allow us to have a list of places around the world to be visited.
I think that many times happen that one of these HAmfest are happening in
the country I'm visiting, and I don't take the chance to visit this just
beacuse I ignore it (that for a vintage collector is something bad).
So, please report wich are the most important dates: If the idea is
interesting also someone else, we could post the results on the web,
similarly we have done with the CCC list.
Comments are welcome!
Ciao
Riccardo
Riccardo Romagnoli
<chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>
I-47100 Forl?
Thre is no "original" Apple 1 case.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Maginnis [mailto:celt@chisp.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 11:47 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: 70's sheet metal cases
Well, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one - the
motherboard itself was mounted on a square of sheet metal which was
screwed into a real wood casing. Extra pieces of sheet metal were added
to the inside of later versions of the Apple 1 to improve durability and
lifespan, but the case itself was wood, not metal. If the Apple 1
featured in those pics has a metal case with contact paper stuck over
it, then it's a replica, not an original.
Mike
Bill Sudbrink wrote:
>
> > The case is actually wood, not sheet metal.
>
> The main body of the case (where the keyboard
> is mounted) is _SHEET_METAL_ covered with wood
> grain contact paper. _NOT_WOOD_. It looks very
> much like a SOL case and somewhat like a C4P case.
