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Destructive charities (was: STAPLES STORES...)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The car that can't pass emissions is like the computer that won't run. It's >of no real use, except maybe for parts. Um... WRONG... the $4,000 Toyota just needs a new cat ($100 in parts and $80 in labor). The guy just felt like buying a new car. But since he donated it to us with the understanding it would be cut up, we can't sell it (like we would have liked, since we would have done the labor ourself, and used the money we got by selling the car for 4 grand to buy a new scott pack). Its about the same as throwing out a computer saying it is good only for parts, because the OS install has become corrupted. >(have you tried to salvage parts >from >a computer lately?) I do it weekly, when I pick up PCs sitting in curbside garbage. I built my home PC out of 90% salvaged parts. I have also upgraded most of the computers at my office entirely out of garbaged PCs. Some are mix and match, but many are picked up and need nothing more than a shot of 409 to clean the case as they work perfectly. I get a working 14 inch SVGA monitor weekly at this point. Heck... I have a Mac LC5200 sitting on the floor next to me that I just grabbed out of the garbage on my drive home Sunday... works fine... its heading to one of my office sites to upgrade an older 68k Mac. >there are lots of perfectly useable >PC's (you know, the ones with 640KB of RAM and no HDD) out there. They still >do everything a PC ever did, and a lot more than the mainframes of 1960 did. >What should we do with them? Once people don't want them any longer, whether >they're still functional is entirely moot. But there ARE people out there that still want them... they just aren't being given the option to have them... they are being scrapped without anyone checking. >If someone's interested in 'em, >well, that's why there's this list. Sure, great, ok, contact the group taking all the computers from Staples, and get them to agree to list all the computers they don't feel like keeping (what was it 90% of them are being junked?) and have them offer them up to others... either on this list, or a web site, or whatever. Bet they will tell you to bugger off, they can't be bothered... they are going to pick thru for the few they want, and the rest will become scrap metal. That is unfortunately true for most organizations (the local salvation army store told me they stopped taking computer donations because of return problems... when I pressed them on the topic wondering how they tell someone they can't donate an item... they told me that they actually still take them, they just toss them in the dumpster to avoid the heartaches of selling them... needless to say, I have been trying to keep an eye on the dumpster) So you are STILL wrong... a huge number of perfectly good... and WANTED machines, get scrapped all the time. I could continue to give you examples if you want... like the pharmaceutical company up the road that is tossing working Pentium II PCs and 17 inch monitors, because they are upgrading to P4's and flat screens. The PCs are being junked under contract to have them destroyed because the hard drives may contain sensitive info, and they didn't want to take the time to remove them, or securely wipe them (a friend works at the site, I had him look into it). Should I give you MORE examples of machines being scrapped that are wanted, or useful, or interesting? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

Fiche scanning redux

by aek＠spies.com

If someone on the east coast is interested, the company that I bought the TDC microfilm scanner from contacted me that they have another one that they'd be willing to sell for $500. It would be a non-trival effort to get working, but it would be a good place to start if someone was thinking about building an auto-indexing device from scratch. Phyllis Miller (703)550-1994 Diversified Equipment Co., Inc. 7213 Lockport Place Lorton, VA 22079

24 years, 2 months

Programmeren van de 6502

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, William S. wrote: > > > Although I am in the Netherlands I am not a native > > speaker. I will begin my Dutch language course in > > April but doubt I will be reading Nederlands > > very proficiently too soon. :) > > Where else do they speak Dutch besides some rural parts of Pennsylvania > where they generally shun technology? :) FYI- Dutch as in Pennsylvania Dutch is Deutsch ie German not Hollandische... -dq

24 years, 2 months

Programmeren van de 6502

by ceby2＠csc.com

Please allow me to second this emotion. I'm originally from York, PA -- about as Pennsylvania Dutch as anyplace. While I intensely disliked it growing up -- 'technological backwater' would be wrong. Backwater would be right. Don't think of it as picturesque farms with no electric. Think of it as aging trailer parks with abuntdant rent-to-own electronics, and plaques above the toilets reading 'If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be sweetie -- wipe the seatie'. It the sort of place where the peeling paint from bent-over farm-girl lawn ornaments blend nicely with the recycled tire flowerbeds and crab grass. I don't know about taste, but the Pennsylvania Dutch are as technologically adept as poor white trash anywhere in America. Colin Eby (escapee living on the Massachussets coast) At 01:01 AM 2/16/02 +0000, you wrote: >On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, William S. wrote: > >> Although I am in the Netherlands I am not a native >> speaker. I will begin my Dutch language course in >> April but doubt I will be reading Nederlands >> very proficiently too soon. :) > >Where else do they speak Dutch besides some rural parts of Pennsylvania >where they generally shun technology? :) The "Pennsylvania dutch" are actually german, for all I know. Seems that like a case of one person saying "deutsche" and another hearing "dutch". At least that's the explanation that I heard from a native. This native was born in a farm, then went to Drexel university, and now he's a phd and a top programmer of web applications for research purposes. So not all "Pennsylvania dutch" are technology averse. His dad, still a farmer, uses a Mac. So they even have taste in technology. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

24 years, 2 months

FA: IBM 3270 PC Operations and Maintenence manuals

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Last 3 hours. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2002097255 This is the IBM documents to support the IBM 3270 PC. It covers all of the odd 3270 PC cards

24 years, 2 months

Fujitsu/Amdahl Bubble Memory System?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/15/02 7:08:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, ken(a)seefried.com writes: > The drive is roughly 3"w x 2.5"h x 7"d, and consists of a 3-board sandwitch. > > It uses FBM-C128GA bubble memory cartridges. Interestingly, many of the > cartridges that I got have "Amdahl" stickers on them. > We got in several 100 units that had a drive installed that sounds similar to this. They were remote power monitoring stations, kind of like an electric meter but with a bubble memory drive with a bubble memory cart plugged into it. We got lots of carts, too. This was about 10 years ago. They came from the State of Washington IIRC. I was surprised to see them. Before that the only bubble stuff we had seen came from Intel. IIRC they were of Japanese mfg., I don't remember if they were Fujitsu but it is possible. They used a removable 128K memory module, about 3/4X1X2 inches in size that plugs in and out of a socket on the drive. They were remote power loggers. Someone showed up, pulled the bubble cart, replaced it with another and took the just pulled one down to the office and read it. Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 2 months

VMS Question

by pat＠purdueriots.com

OK, now that I have a bunch of 9-track tapes, how do I dump a copy of the tape to a file? I've found "mount /foreign mua0:" and "dump /out=bleh mua0:", but I'd rather have a binary copy of the tape end up in a file. I've seen the MKD program, but that requires a library that I don't seem to have: -CLI-E-AMAGEFNF, image file not found DUA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE; Any suggestions? -- Pat

24 years, 2 months

Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, as Murphy would have it I just threw out a thick folder of Protec docs & literature. But, if it's the same Protec in Quebec who did indeed make Z80 SBCs in the old days before they specialized in KVMs, they're still very much alive; why not try a phone call or e-mail. www.protec.ca Protec Microsystems Inc. 297, Labrosse, Pointe-Claire, Quebec H9R 1A3, CANADA Tel.: (514) 630-5832 -------------Original Message----------- From: "Robert Collier" <rdcoll(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info Hello all, I did a little more reading and found out that the model number for the computer was PMS 100. I could still use any information anyone might have - and hopefully, the model number might help. The machine is the Protec PRO-83 z80 Single Board Computer. Thanks.

24 years, 2 months

seek info for Ciprico Rimfire 3200

by red＠bears.org

Howdy. I'm looking for any information I can find on the Ciprico Rimfire 3200 VME SMD controller, and ideally drivers for it to run under SunOS 4.1. Actually, I know what it is so perhaps I should amend my request for "configuration information" in preference to "information". (; ok r.

24 years, 2 months

HP Calculator on ebay

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 16, Tothwolf wrote: > #1705353697 > > Who was it here who collects these? Lots of us, myself included. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 2 months

HP Calculator on ebay

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

#1705353697 Who was it here who collects these? -Toth

24 years, 2 months

X-10 (was: A *real* classic)

by mhstein＠usa.net

You may find that interfacing to X-10 is a little easier today than it was then, with friendlier stuff >from X-10 and also Micromint's PLIX chip/kit (the same folks who brought us the elsewhere-mentioned 80C52-BASIC). http://www.micromint.com/chips.htm mike -----------Original Message---------- From: Chris <mythtech(a)Mac.com> Subject: RE: A *real* classic <snip> Some day I will get an old interface and hook my X10 system up to a Mac Plus or SE or so that I have kicking around.

24 years, 2 months

DECpc labeled MS-DOS diskettes on EBay

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

One of the disks pictures says 'DECpc MSDOS 5.0 supplemental drivers' Item #2003139722

24 years, 2 months

OT Microsoft Mail & News (was Re: OT: But too funny...)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > If people are still using MS Outlook inspire of all the viruses and crap > that have plagued that pathetic piece of shit in the past few years then > they not only deserve whatever damage gets done to their system via such > vehicles but they shouldn't be allowed to use e-mail at all since they > only end up contributing to the greater problem by running it! I'm using (please don't puke, at least not in my direction) MS Mail & News, simply because it's *there* and I've never heard of any Outlook-like holes in it. Has anyone out there ever heard of any major vulnerabilities in this program? Glen 0/0

24 years, 2 months

STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > What's happening more and more, though, is a long pseudotechnical > mis-explanation of the part's function. I was looking at digital I love those. :) See my previous comment about the composite video input. > cameras last year, and asked the salesperson at the camera > counter what > 3.2 megapixels translates to in terms of resolution and color > depth. He I always assumed megapixel was referring to the number of pixels at a fixed color depth (probably 24-bit)... I'm certain that it's just a manufactured slang term to make digital cameras sound more impressive and annoy people who know what they're talking about. Chances are that we're either talking about 1024 * 1024 pixels, or 1000 * 1000 pixels, in which case 3.2 megapixels gives one a resolution of something like: 3355443.2 (?) pixels -- that's using 1024, so it's probably incorrect :) (The .2 of a pixel makes me wonder) 3200000 (Sounds better to me, so it's based on 1000s) A square picture of 1789 * 1789 would be slightly larger than this. You can probably assume some kind of a rectangular aspect ratio, though. I would guess that a normal camera is something around 1.5 (wide) to 1, but I don't really feel like calculating that. ;) > explained to me at length that megapixels was a measure of "how many > pictures you can take on one smartcard" > Not being busy that day, and being unduly irritated by his > condescension, I made him repeat himself in front of the > store manager. > I don't know if the manager cared at all, but it made _me_ feel much > better. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

Drive inventory

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > IOMEGA again. I've still got about 500 lbs of useless IOMEGA > hardware in the > basement ... Speaking of iomega hardware in the basement... :) I have a 1/4 length 8-bit ISA board that looks like a SCSI controller, and is stamped with the iomega logo. Anyone know what it might be, or where to get drivers? I can try to get the numbers from it over the weekend, but all this talk of iomega stuff has made me curious as to what it may be... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

Drive inventory

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:59:40 -0500 (EST) > From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Drive inventory > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Carl Lowenstein wrote: > > > The only Data/DAT drives I ever used (Gigatrend) were hardly ever > > compatible from one drive to another. In fact they were seldom compatible > > on the same drive from month to month. > > FWIW I have one of those drives. The mechanism was manufactured by JVC, > and I have not had much luck with it. I recall it being extremely > persnickety about errors on tapes, and even when I managed to get a whole > backup onto a tape without the drive going into fits, I was never able to > read that tape back to verify the data. Yes. I have a box of unreadable backup tapes and data tapes that someone else made while under the impression that the Gigatrend was really a working tape drive. :-( > OTOH if the tapes had to be formatted before use and were block > addressable, that might tend to explain why I had such terrible luck using > that drive as a normal tape device under unix. What was the prescribed > method for using a tape in this drive? Scrabbling around in the back room, he finds the Gigatrend 1230 Operators Manual. From Appendix B: Press ONLINE to go offline Press TEST to get to menu -- you want level 1. Press SETUP to increment displayed digit Press ONLINE to enter that level In level 1 you want function 1 Cycle through digits with SETUP Press ONLINE to select format function using default values. Lights will blink "FFFF" Insert tape and press ONLINE to activate format operation. Simple, isn't it. I think I got it all correctly summarized from the manual. If you want a copy of Appendix B TEST PROCEDURES it is only 8 pages. Send me a postal address. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 2 months

Radio Shack

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > How can you possibly squeeze the system into a DeLorean? > There isn't even > enough room for a REAL computer! Well, provided you could fill some of it up with boards and disks, in such a way that it would function as a computer, the DeLorian itself may be considered a REAL computer, since it has wheels, and a sufficiently large case. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

Fiche scanning redux

by aek＠spies.com

> There is a Canon MS500 microfiche scanner on e-bay right now. Read the description carefully. There is NO computer interface with it.

24 years, 2 months

Fiche scanning redux

by aek＠spies.com

> But overall, why not just buy a real $4,000 fiche scanner The pro imaging market is very pricey and proprietary. 4K won't buy you much more than a microfiche reader with a scanner back. Something that can do auto-indexing is closer to 20K. I have a mid-80's indexing fiche scanner that I've not been able to get any info on, and a 3M 7710 with SCSI interface that I've been trying to find software for about 6 months. Most of the companies have either been bought by a pretty non helpful company that I've been unable to get any info from, or have gone out of business.

24 years, 2 months

Drive inventory

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:34:53 -0600 > From: Dan Wright <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Drive inventory > In-Reply-To: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1A1A3952(a)cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com> > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Christopher Smith said: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) [mailto:vaxman@earthlink.net] > > > > > DAT is the same as DDS except for the identification holes on the > > > case, and I would assume a royalty to the recording industry... > > > My Maynard/Archive/Seagate drive won't take DAT tapes. Irritating > > > because I wanted to write music to them at the time. > > > > Well, if you mean that you wanted to write it in standard DAT format, > > very few drives will handle that... most, though (every one I've > > used, at least), will write DDS data to a normal DAT. > > SGI is one company that makes sure the DAT/DDS drives they sell do audio DAT > too... I know that you can read/write audio tapes on an SGI you get if you > buy the tape drive from them, and possibly using a drive from another > manufacturer too. I imagine they do this since their machines are often used > in high-end multimedia type things...sill, kind of a cool capability and all > :) Two comments. Nearly all current DDS cartridges have an optically-sensed pattern at the beginning of the tape itself. This is termed MRS or Media Recognitions System. A DDS drive is usually configured by switch setting to treat tapes without the MRS stripes as read-only. DAT tapes sold for audio purposes don't have MRS. Back in the early days of DAT, there was a second competing tape format besides DDS, it was called Data/DAT. This required pre-formatting of the tape cartridges before use, and had the advantage that the tapes were block-addressable and block-replaceable, like a disk drive. The only Data/DAT drives I ever used (Gigatrend) were hardly ever compatible from one drive to another. In fact they were seldom compatible on the same drive from month to month. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 2 months

Dumpster in the alley, Part II

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Damn! If I could've, I'd skip right out of work for that puppy. But New Haven, CT is a little far... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Feldman, Robert > > Well, Harold Washington College is at it again this morning. However, I > have > saved something that someone here might want: a Digital Prioris HX 5100 > MP/2. Don't know much about it, and it looks to be less than 10 years old, > but it is DEC. Appears to be clean and complete, except it is missing the > left side panel. Has four FR-PCWVR-AZ 4.0GB drives. Free for pickup _only_ > in the Chicago Loop (35 E. Wacker). Email me at > robert_feldman(at)jdedwards.com if you want it. > > Bob > >

24 years, 2 months

Re-finding more items as I open boxes

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Found the following while unpacking in the warehouse: 1. Commodore 1700 Ram expansion unit - not tested yet 2. Heathkit H8 missing 3 keys - not tested yet 3. Pet CBM 2001-32B - tested not powering on will need repair. 4. Heathkit H9 - not tested yet 5. Atari Lynx models I and II - both tested fine from the trip. 6. Radio Shack m100 - tested last night and works fine 7. Found a cartridge for the TI99 called Ant Eater 8K - not tested yet 8. Unpacked the black metal Kenworth Playstation tractor trailer - looks good on display with the other ad items. Now if I can just get some of those old oval display signs. 9. Tested the six Vectrex cartridges I found at the shop and they all work fine on the console. Took some other goodies home to play with like the 20th Annv. MAC, SEGA Nomad, and others.

24 years, 2 months

Protec PRO-83 Computer - More Info

by rdcoll＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I did a little more reading and found out that the model number for the computer was PMS 100. I could still use any information anyone might have - and hopefully, the model number might help. The machine is the Protec PRO-83 z80 Single Board Computer. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 2 months

Fiche scanning redux

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/15/02 7:33:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, tony.eros(a)machm.org writes: > I like the resolution, but need to find a way to expand the field of > view. I'm sure I can rig up a scanning frame, but don't want to have to > stitch multiple captures per frame. If I can get this to work, it would be > > a very affordable way to do high-quality fiche scans. > I think you have a good idea Tony, nice experiment with the QX3. I wish I had one. >From looking at the images It appears to me that it is a Fiche that should be read at 24X. You might try photographic close up lenses with the 10X magnification. I suspect distortion from getting too close would be a problem but worth trying If you had one, a simple concave lens in front of the 60X might be worth a try. Is there a published optical path plan for the microscope? If so one might be able to figure out correction optics. Good luck and keep us informed. Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 2 months

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