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by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I went to their web site and searched for all stores in and around >Houston within 100 miles and got zero hits? There are NONE in Houston or the surrounding 100 miles?!? Man... I have 2 in Paramus and 1 in Ramsey... all within 5 minutes of each other! And other 3 more that I can think of within a 15-20 minute drive. You poor Texans must feel left out (now I see why my mother left TX and came to NJ) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

KeyStone 3 for 2

by krissyburke＠keystonelearning.com

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24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>Jay West wrote: > > I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server > checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam > out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In > the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only > subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because > fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have > equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the > list. I see two options: > > 1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts > or perhaps > 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the > list > > I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability > to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of > course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception. > So.... advice please? > > Regards, > > Jay Wests Frankly, I'm getting tired of the off topic posts, the spam, and the other trivial BS that is being posted. IMHO, the list should be moderated. If that means that you'd have first shot at some really cool gear... So be it. That's one of the reward's for hosting the list. My $.02 SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

24 years, 2 months

Radio Shack (Was: STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

The one nearest me is so bad... >1. You learn that the Radio Shack slogan, "you've got questions, we've got >answers"' is true. They have answers alright, it just may not be the right >ones! They don't have answers... their conversation skills are limited to chatting with other clerks, or trying to explain to me why I should drop my cell phone plan, and sign a contract with them. >2. The people that work there think you are trying to contact someone from >Mars or outer space, with all the cables, adapters, connectors, etc., that >you buy there every week. They don't know what any of them do... nor where (or what) Mars is. >3. You think of opening your own store, because with a name like Radio >Shack, they ought to sell lots and lots of amateur radio equipment. Nah... then I would be forced to employee morons. Oh wait... I do that now anyway. >4. You know your way around the store better than the employees that work >there. That is a given... and god forbid one of them TRIES to help... I end up wasting more time trying to explain that I don't need what they are saying, I know what I am looking for, get away (and NO I don't want a freaking cell phone from you!) >5. You spend so much time and money driving there, you think of buying one >of everything. The only reason I still go is because I am too impatient to wait 3 days for parts to be shipped to me (that and most dealers have a $25 or so min order... when all I need 99 cents of resistors) >6. The people who work there think you own one heck of a radio station, (in >a way it might be a little truth to that), or you're trying to build a bomb. And god forbid you try to purchase a portable auto dialer... if they think everyone makes red boxes out of them... WHY do they continue to sell them?!? (although, I'm not sure I have seen them recently... but now they have mini digital audio recorders... which are even easier to turn into all sorts of cool fun toys.) >7. You realize you know more about electronics and computers than they do. I think we have already established that cats know more about electronics and computers than any run of the mill clerk does. >8. You spend more money in a week at Radio Shack than you do on food. Humm... not recently, but I can think of a time in my life when I did (now I spend more on old computers, or odd Mac parts) >9. You know everyone who works there by their first name. Nope, that would require looking at them... only one clerk is worthy of looking at... and only because she is REALLY REALLY attractive (but once she starts pushing those cell phones... I want to choke her too) >10. You have your own private parking spot there. Its in a mall, so no luck on that one >11. When they call you for a stocking item because they are out. They can't call me... I still give them my parents info when they ask my name, phone number, address, zodiac sign, favorite color, and pets names just so I can buy a freaking battery.... and NO, I do NOT want a cell phone!!! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I've come up against a few companies that do that. It's the reason I'll >no longer consider Sharp products, for example. Odd... here in the States, Sharp will deal directly to the public... you don't even have to go thru a reseller (I have actually picked up Sharp parts by driving up the road to the Sharp factory and just walked in... I got a bunch of drive tires that way). Unless their policy has changed in the last 5 or 6 years (last sharp part I bought was a remote for a TV about 6 years ago). >Hmmm... Is there a PAL equivalent to this deck? Don't know... I'm not even sure how to check, as the TV/VCRs are OEM'd by Funai, but sold under the name Symphonic, and there is almost no info about them on the company web site (too old I guess) >There are also sets of felt washers available to >be used to rebuild worn-out VCR clutches if it's that type of device. Or >can you do the old kludgers trick of turning the friction washer over or >something? They are felt clutches... and I tried rebuilding them with new felts... no luck... I couldn't seem to get it exactly right (never found exactly the right thickness). It always ended up either too little friction and it ate the tape, or too much friction and it stretched the tape. At least the TVs still work fine... so I gave them out to family/friends to use as 13" remote control, cable ready TVs. I still keep my eyes open hoping some day to find a way to get the replacement parts so I can get the VCRs working again. Its actually about time for me to give Funai another call and see if they will sell me parts (I bug them about every 6 months, figure maybe one of these times I'll get someone who doesn't know any better and will sell me the stuff... of course, one of my pit falls is, they will only sell via part number, and the clutches aren't stamped, so they need to look up the part, which keys them off that I am not an authorized repair center, and they nix the order... so I guess if I can just find the part number I might be golden to sneak thru) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

but at that precise time something will happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years exept for the time 11:11 11/11 1111. As the clock ticks over from 8.01pm on Wednesday, February 20, time will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry 2002, 2002, 2002, or to be more precise - 20:02, 20/02, 2002. and will never happen again. exept for the time 21:12 21/12 2112. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

24 years, 2 months

Honeywell 316 Question

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:21:05 -0800 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Subject: Re: Honeywell 316 Question > > >I suppose "picked up" was a bit of an understatement. However I don't think > >the reality of the fact that a Honeywell 316 is sitting in my sun room has > >quite sunk in. Thank you for the advice. I will certainly follow it. > > Which brings up the point of what I'm wondering. Just how big is a > Honeywell 316? What peripherals does it support, and what OS's? I'm only > familiar with DPS-6, DPS-8, and DPS-8000 systems, and of those, even the > DPS-6 isn't exactly small. Google is your friend. See < http://users.ids.net/~mikeu/h316/index.shtml > A contemporary of the PDP-11/20. the H-316 was about the same size. 19" rack width, about 30" deep. Somewhat taller, perhaps 8U (14"). carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 2 months

SCSI Terminator

by vance＠ikickass.org

Anyone know where I can find a VHDCI-68 SCSI terminator in the Tampa Bay area? I need it right away. Peace... Sridhar

24 years, 2 months

OT: Recent Sun acquisition...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

***Yes, this is off topic, but I know some of you can help a little, off-list that is... Well, I am the proud new owner of a Sun Ultra1 Creator machine ( p/n 600-4385-01). It came with 128 MB of RAM (2 pieces - 501-2480-78431410 and 501-2480-78431417), and a Creator video card. The video card has the 13W3 connector, and looks like a 1/8" jack. No drives included. But then again, what do you expect for $50? Couple quick questions, and yes, I do know about SunSolve online... - The info I found on the Creator card, (501-4127-061144) says the 1/8" jack is stereo. Okay, stereo what? Sound in or out? - I have the Sun/Hitachi 19 inch tube. It's safe to assume that the Creator can handle the weight, and the Hitachi can handle the video output, right? - Apparently, the Creator3D is listed as not supported in NetBSD, and the SBus cgsix is. I assume the Creator I have is lumped with the 3D. I guess I'll yank the video from my 1+ for now. Anybody working on the Creator support? This is my To-Do/To-Get list. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, or help out with parts... - Take floppy drive from SPARCstation 1+ - Install CD-ROM, need to find power wire harness (p/n 530-2176) - Need to find speaker and LED wire (p/n 530-2175), or at least a pinout... - Get a fan in the front there by the HDDs... Looks like a wrestling match to get that out. - Wait for the HDD spuds to arrive in the mail... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 2 months

OT (kinda) HP Laserjet 2 fonts

by jrasite＠eoni.com

You guys would know if anyone does... Is there any market for used HP Laserjet Font cartridges? I just fell into an apple box full of them and don't know whether to keep, sell or pitch. Jim

24 years, 2 months

OT: cleaning pots on my vintage audio amp

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello People, I just set up a new shelf unit from InterMetro for my TV and my audio/video system in my living room. My Amp is an old Onkyo from the early 70's. I need to clean the switches and pots. I get reduced sound output occasionally and I can usually fix it by wiggling a few of the switches, so I'm thinking a good cleaning is in order. I tried once before, but used an electrical cleaner, probably not meant for fine electronic use. Also, I didn't remove the faceplate, so I didn't have very good access. What can I buy, hopefully at Radio Shack, that I can clean the switches with? Also, is there some sort of lubricant I should spray into the switches afterwards? I like my audio/video system as it's a mix of new amd old, but I need it to sound good besides look cool! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > about some relatively new Windows bug, slamming AOLers > because they are > such "losers", and pot shots at Bill Gates. There are plenty of other > places to rip these people to shreds. On this list, it is > just plain old > _noise_. I guess I can agree there. The impression I got was that that you'd like not to see any of it. I might even agree with that, but given the topic of the list, it's bound to come up, and that was my point. > > PeeCees (I assume in the IBM sense) older than 10 years, are, > > according to the FAQ, and no matter how much you or I may dislike > > them _on topic machines_ > The term "PeeCee" generally means cheap clone. Real IBMs get better > respect that that. I am talking about crappy 386plus > machines. Talking > about them really dilutes the interest in this list. I agree, except (I'm not good with chronology) that I think some cheap generic 386 clones may be on topic these days. Again, according to what I've read about the topic of this list, they can't be considered off-topic. I don't like them, but I'm sure some people do. > With this argument, almost _anything_ electronic can be > related to classic > computers. You have to draw the line somewhere. Are digital watches Ok, so I was on a roll ;) > included? Microwave ovens? Alarm systems? Radios and Radars? > CD players? > Audio amps? All of these _could_ be called "computers", simply because > they have some sort of analog computation or digital electronics, but > I think that might really be going over the line. Seriously, though, I think at least any digital computer should be considered (and perhaps analog computers). That's personal opinion; take it for what it's worth. I'd also note that I haven't seen any spark computer (as opposed to sparc computer) discussions in the old car threads. > The problem here is that _almost_invariably_ the threads turn > to "Linux is > so great, Windows sucks, I have Linux running on True, though, again, strictly speaking, a thread on the historical ratio of bugs in windows vs. linux may be on topic. > such-and-such Pentium". This, of course, wouldn't. > This is NOT classic computing at this point, and should be moved to an > appropriate forum (and there are several hundred of them, at > least). This True -- the minute you remove the "classic" stuff from the discussion, it becomes off-topic. > is _not_ a Unix sysadmin list. If you want to run Linux on an > old machine > - great (although I don't see why - the fastest way to > cheapen a VAX is > to have it run Unix - personal opinion) - but keep the topic FWIW, I share that particular opinion too. > focussed on the old machine, _not_ the newest version of Linux. Linux > _itself_ is basically off topic, as only a tiny percentage of the talk > about it refers to the early releases. In that sense, yes, but there are plenty of 10+ year old computers that will handle running it, so if the discussion were on how to get one of these computers to talk with linux, I'd consider it on topic. > It just might be common sense, however. I am _not_ saying that these > threads should be nipped off at the bud. If a moderator was > to exercise a > little control when the threads get out of hand, perhaps throwing the > offenders in the "penalty box" for a short amount of time, I'm not a big fan of "penalty boxes," but you're right in saying that it might help. My original beef with the idea was only that the subjects you mentioned as off topic were sometimes very plausibly "dead on." Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>MCM Electronics, amongst others, carries various clutch felts. I don't thik >it's so much the thickness as the density and possibly some sort of additive >to make them stiff. I have tried MCM (actually, that is my supplier of choice), and using assorted different premade clutches that are similar... as well as just buying assorted felts, and even a clutch rebuild kit (comes with a dozen different felts)... I have just struck out on getting it right. It has gotton to the point that I am not willing to just randomly try parts anymore... I have sunk around $50 into "trying" and struck out... and we are talking about bringing back to life, cheap, low quality, 2 head, mono VCRs... in my book... not worth the continued experimentation costs. When/if I find the correct part... I will buy a dozen of them, and fix the 5 units I have (and keep the others as spares)... but until then... they have been religated to plain old TV duty. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

Honeywell 316 Question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > > My understanding is that it ran a small single-user disk-based OS > > and possibly a realtime OS... Bill Poduska and David Udin & Co. > > worked with these a bit and based the architecture of the first > > Prime Computers on the Honeywell 316. I always assumed that the > > early Prime DOS and RTOS were made to resemble something they'd > > used before (they weren't ready yet for their magnum opus). > > According to what I've read in preparation for picking one up, > later Prime systems also have the instruction set(s) for these > in the core. Oh yeah, they've got the same sector-zero-relative addressing mode; I mostly worked with the later 50-series instruction set, but I did a little disassembly of some older code, and it was an enlightning experience. -dq

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I would like to see some reasonably strict moderation, so we can cut out > > all of the off topic stuff before it (always) gets out of hand. Off topic, > > meaning Microsoft/AOL bashing, PeeCees, cars (antique or otherwise), > > Not to be picky, but: > > AOLs early (still bad) software ran on _on topic machines_ > > Microsofts early (still bad) software ran on _on topic machines_ > > PeeCees (I assume in the IBM sense) older than 10 years, are, > according to the FAQ, and no matter how much you or I may dislike > them _on topic machines_ Bill wasn't complaining about dull topics, just flamewars: * AOL SUX! * MICROSOFT SUX! * COMMODORES RULE! * MY PET WILL SMOKE YOUR 11/23 &c. -dq

24 years, 2 months

Slashdot: Installing Debian GNU/Linux on Alphas

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

As seen on Slashdot: Debian Planet: Installing Debian GNU/Linux on Alphas: http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=605 This article makes reference to an article on Sellam's website titled 'Finding Vintage Computers - A Primer'. -Toth

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > 1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts > or perhaps > 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I > send them to the > list > I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give > me the ability > to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of > the list. Of > course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception. > So.... advice please? Personally it bugs me more when nobody takes these machines than it does when I'm not the one who takes them. :) In other words, go ahead and use the approval process, and if that gives you an occasional edge over everyone for picking up this or that, then so be it. Honestly people see these things that we all collect as garbage anyway, so anyone who waits long enough and looks hard enough will probably find exactly what they're looking for -- and with little or no money required, usually. Well, that's my opinion. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

Honeywell 316 Question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > My understanding is that it ran a small single-user disk-based OS > and possibly a realtime OS... Bill Poduska and David Udin & Co. > worked with these a bit and based the architecture of the first > Prime Computers on the Honeywell 316. I always assumed that the > early Prime DOS and RTOS were made to resemble something they'd > used before (they weren't ready yet for their magnum opus). According to what I've read in preparation for picking one up, later Prime systems also have the instruction set(s) for these in the core. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

Not As OT As Driving Rants....

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > THERE on the BOX! 'Windows95 certified!" Jeez. "Linux??? Is that a > game?" Tell them "Yes." Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- My vote is for Roger's idea, and if that's not feasible for some reason, go with #2. Maybe have two people be the authorizing agents (someone else has volunteered a couple times for this position) to provide an honesty balance? Also, what about attaching an identifier to the subject line for not subscribed addresses? Like, there's "FS" = For Sale, "FA" = For Auction, etc... Something like [UNK] --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that Jay West may have mentioned these words: > > >2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to > the > >list > > Jay, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I've been doing > listserver & mail server admin for ~~7 years, so if you do need some > advice, lemme know. > > There is a 3rd option, and it's called TMDA, or Tagged Message Delivery > Agent. (or pretty darned close) It can go right with your list, and > automatically whitelist anyone who's subscribed, but anyone who's not > subbed to the list, the message is held in a seperate queue for around 48 > hrs. or so (it's configurable) and a confirmation message is sent back to > the original sender. If the confirmation is replied to, then the original > message gets submitted to the list. If it's not, after the timeout period > the message just falls into the bit-bucket behind the server. ;-) > > >I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the > ability > >to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of > >course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception. > >So.... advice please? > > TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early browsing", as you > wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were > combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch > the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.) > > TMDA can be configured to automatically whitelist anyone who confirms > their > first message, then is trusted after that so the only time they'd see a > new > confirmation message is if they mailed from a webmail address, or it can > be > set up to confirm every time an email arrives from a non-subscriber. > > Check here: > http://software.libertine.org/tmda/ > > Oh, it can also be set up in a "blacklist" configuration as well.

24 years, 2 months

OT: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

And 12:11 11/11 1121, etc. And 22:12 21/12, 2122, etc. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:51 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever Rumor has it that Joe may have mentioned these words: [snip] > >The last time there was such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days >of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock - at 10.01am on January 10, >1001. What about 11:11 11/11 1111? > And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that >will never happen again. Bzzzt. Wrong again. What about: 21:12, 21/12, 2112??? <snip>

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early browsing", as you > wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were > combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch > the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.) Jay- Either your choice number two, or Roger's TDMA suggestion... But if you go with #2 and the volume gets excessive, I see no other choice but option 1. -dq

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/21/02 9:44:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, jwest(a)classiccmp.org writes: > 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the > list > > I think this would work fine Jay. -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I think that moderated non-subscriber posts seems to provide the best balance so long as the volume of non-subscriber messages is relatively low. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:32 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: SPAM - RFC from list admin I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the list. I see two options: 1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts or perhaps 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the list I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception. So.... advice please? Regards, Jay Wests

24 years, 2 months

OT: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Subject: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever... unless we adopt a new calendar. 8.02pm on February 20 this year will be an historic moment in time. It will not be marked by the chiming of any clocks or the ringing of bells, but at that precise time something will happen which has not occurred for 1,001 years and will never happen again. As the clock ticks over from 8.01pm on Wednesday, February 20, time will, for sixty seconds only, read in perfect symmetry 2002, 2002, 2002, or to be more precise - 20:02, 20/02, 2002. The last time there was such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock - at 10.01am on January 10, 1001. And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again. --Tim VanSant

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