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by torquil＠rockbridge.net

Hi guys, Sridhar showed me some VAXen today and i was hooked. I've gotta have one :). I was wondering if any of you have a MicroVAX 4000/VLC? Thanks, torquil

24 years, 2 months

Tru64 (was: Re: MicroVAX 4000/VLC)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] > Sent: 25 February 2002 23:35 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Tru64 (was: Re: MicroVAX 4000/VLC) > > > I've sort of been wondering, since we're on AXP anyway, is anybody > > at all still running Tru64 or NT on Alpha? > I am runing Tru64 5.1 on a PWS 500au. > > > Everyone I know who owns AXP runs either *BSD or Linux or OpenVMS, > > including me. NetBSD flat screams on the LX164. Our whole company is based on Tru64 and OpenVMS.......Tru64 whips the llama's ass for features and stability; it's filesystem capabilities are second to none and it's the only u**x that utilises *true* clustering in the same manner as VMSclusters. Plus, this week Compaq released record breaking benchmarks with a 4-way ES45, Tru64 5.1A and Oracle 9i which is good for us since that's what we do :) -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

24 years, 2 months

Archiving Apple II disks

by paul＠wccnet.org

The Macintosh can archive Apple II 3.5" disk with Disk Copy, but I prefer to use an Apple II native archiving format for all my Apple II disks. I use ShrinkIt v3.4 to create both 5.25" and 3.5" Apple II compressed disk images, and transfer the files over a serial link to a PC. There they can be recorded onto an ISO 9660 CD-ROM. The files can be transferred back to an Apple II and converted to a real disk again. I have transferred over 25MB of Apple II disk images this way. On the PC the ShrinkIt files can be manipulated with Nulib and Mapper to create .DSK images to use with emulators. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

24 years, 2 months

STAPLES STORES WILL TAKE OLD COMPUTERS

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>And the other >day I heard an anecdote from someone who works in a retail >clothing shop at a nearby mall - that franchise doesn't even >bother prosecuting shoplifting unless it's more than $1,000. When I worked in Disney World, we were specically told to ignore shoplifters from mechandise carts... the stuff wasn't valuable enough to warrant the hassles involved in stopping a thief. That is pretty sad when you consider that many of those carts carried items that sold for $50 and up (one near my attraction sold $100 pairs of sunglasses... I always wondered what kind of a markup Disney was making on them to not care about someone stealing them) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

Question for Tony or other Old-Chip Wizzards

by sipke＠wxs.nl

The 2147 that I thought I still had turned out to be MB2149-45 (Fujitsu). I vaguely recall that they are indeed compatible with the 2147 but their pin-outs are mirrored The datecode = 8204 45 = 450ns accesstime Can you confirm this (I can't find the databook right now) Regards, Sipke de Wal ---------------------------------------------------

24 years, 2 months

Rush! ( was: RE: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 25, Doc wrote: > The last time I saw them was in Lubbock in '92?, the tour with the 30' > bunny-rabbits on stage. The 5'2" teenybopper next to me, a total > stranger, spent the entire show standing tippy-toe on my motorcycle > helmet. One of the best rock shows I've seen since Black Oak Arkansas > broke up. Ahh, the Presto tour. I caught that one a couple of times. Was the 5'2" teenybopper cute? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 2 months

BBC story: Computer Dumping 'polluting Asia'

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

Saw a referemce to this BBC story on Slashdot about China's problem dealing with old computers dumped there: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1839000/1839997.stm

24 years, 2 months

Magnetic media and mold cleanup

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anyone know of a way to remove the mold that won't damage the > magnetic media? Also, does anyone remember the trick to opening the > shutter on these 8" cartridges? For floppies, I just break 'em open any way I can, and then use bare, clean hands with dish detergent. Let dry on a lint-free rag and you're through. For 9-track magtapes that had either mold or lichens growing (after a flood), I unspooled and manually cleaned about 100 feet of the tape using Formula 409. The tape was subsequently readable, recovering 100% of the data and programs on the last night my Prime was still operational; however, I was using my previously-discussed "wet read" technique. Regards, -dq

24 years, 2 months

Rush! ( was: RE: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 25, David Woyciesjes wrote: > 'Rush' is for up-tempo rock, Great programming music. > "Power Windows" is a good album to start with. > Their lyrics are written by the drummer, if that's any > indication. Ahh yes, Rush is my all-time favorite band. Wonderful stuff! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 2 months

Rush! ( was: RE: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: John Allain > > > For the others of us who may also lead sheltered > > lives, he's the lead vocal and Bass for Rush, the > > rock band. > > 'Rush' is for up-tempo rock, Great programming music. > "Power Windows" is a good album to start with. > Their lyrics are written by the drummer, if that's any > indication. > This may not help my argument here, but the cover art > from PW was used on one of those High Falutin' think > tank magazines recently, Wilson Quarterly IIRC, even > though the album was made nearly 20 years ago. > > John A. ---- Hmmm... Being quite the Rush fan (waiting for them to finish the albumn, and come around on tour!), I have to politely disagree with the Power Windows recommendation. My suggestion is to buy the Chronicles 2 CD set. It's probably on tape too, maybe even vinyl! You should be able to find it used. It covers Rush's first 20 years, and the style changes they've went through. If not that, I would recommend Rush (first albumn) for good classic rock, or Roll The Bones and Test For Echo for more modern rock. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 2 months

Packing materials

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Paxton <Innfogra(a)aol.com> wrote: > I should also mention The US Postal Service. If you ship Priority or Express > Mail they will give you boxes, tape and labels. Not only will they give you the boxes and other supplies, they will deliver the stuff to you. You can go to the PO and get an order form, fill it out, and mail it (postage paid). You can also go to www.usps.com or call their 800 number. The minimum order for most boxes is 1 bundle of 25 boxes. There is also a minimum on some other items. All this is listed on the form. IIRC, they send you a letter asking you to estimate future needs and also ask you to verify that you intend to use the stuff for its intended purpose. Yeah, right, like I intended to use them for my bottlecap collection. ;) So if you're constantly sending your small stuff to other packrats^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H collectors on this list, this may be a way to go. Probably as close to a free lunch as you can get these days. Mike

24 years, 2 months

10BaseT Friendlynet media adapter

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Anyone one in NJ care for 2 Asante FN10TA (free)? I bid on 2 EN/SC 10T >and they shipped the wrong stuff. They've said I could keep it and I'm >hoping they'll find the EN/SC's. If no one else wants them, I'll take them (I have an extra or two right now, so if someone else wants them, give them first dibs) I'm in Ridgewood (North-East NJ) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 2 months

MicroVAX 4000/VLC

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

> I've sort of been wondering, since we're on AXP anyway, is anybody at > all still running Tru64 or NT on Alpha? > Everyone I know who owns AXP runs either *BSD or Linux or OpenVMS, > including me. NetBSD flat screams on the LX164. I have a PWS500a with 3x4Gb disks ... two are dedicated to Linux and one is Tru64... I can boot whichever I want whenever. My other alpha is an AXPpci33 166Mhz CPU overclocked to 200Mhz, rock solid and running Linux (working on getting RHL7.2 on it to do some testing) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 2 months

OT: HP 9Track questions

by g＠kurico.com

Does anyone know the differences between the 7980S and the 88780A 9track tape drives? If you could only have one, which one would you keep? George

24 years, 2 months

SPAM - RFC from list admin

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the list. I see two options: 1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts or perhaps 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the list I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception. So.... advice please? Regards, Jay Wests

24 years, 2 months

Anyone have A TI Explorer ?

by aek＠spies.com

This site was down for a while, but it's back again http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/ They're attempting to get a TI Explorer simulator working, and they're looking for an Explorer I (looks like they have the disc image for an Explorer II) Pretty impressive effort, and I think it's worth helping these folks out, if you can.

24 years, 2 months

Calling all borgs!!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 18, 20:54, Ron Hudson wrote: > Please! > > I want your borg lines! I want them to create a new > file for "fortune" (of linux/Unix fame) will also > post compiled to the list! (I am also copying my > other list so they can help out too!) A few I saved years ago: I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. I am Dyslexia of Borg. Fusistance is retile. Your ass will be laminated. We are Heisenborg: You will probably be assimilated. Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will. We are Ebola of Borg: Vaccines are irrelvant. We are resistant. We are Rambo of Borg: Resistance is the disease. We are the cure. We are McCoy of Borg: He's assimilated, Jim! We are Fudd of Borg: Pwepawre to be aswimiwated. BorgerKing: We do it our way. Your way is irrelevant. I am Hamlet of Borg. You are to be, or not to be, assimilated. Calculus of Borg: Resistance is futile. You will be differentiated. Physics of Borg: Assimilation is futile. Resistance is ubiquitous. Chemistry of Borg: Resistance is futile. You will be titrated. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 2 months

ebay Item # 2004360621 (fwd)

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Well, this guy seemed to show some interest. -- Pat ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:57:42 -0500 From: rogerpcre <rogercarr(a)pcreanimators.com> To: Pat Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> Subject: RE: ebay Item # 2004360621 Brian, What is "IC". By the way, I really appreciate your email. Thanks, Roger -----Original Message----- From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:52 PM To: rogercarr(a)pcreanimators.com Subject: ebay Item # 2004360621 Just thought you might want to know what you _really_ have there. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:46:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: what the heck is THIS? On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Brian Knittel wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2004360621 > > Anyone know what this is? It looks like a test probe maybe, one of those > things that they press against an IC under test and which brings out all the > leads for probing? Or, what? Doesn't look like it has anything to do with > disk drives. Your assessment is correct. It's an IC test mechanism. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

24 years, 2 months

3M Super Strength Adhevise SUCKS!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 18, 20:53, Tothwolf wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, John Allain wrote: > > > > Methylene Chloride > > > > Sounds like a contact toxin. Want SI to get THAT on his hands? > > *shrug* It's sold in hobby shops for bonding different types of plastic. I > certainly would avoid getting the stuff on my hands, just to be safe. It's not especially dangerous, as solvents go. "Hazards in the Chemical Laboratory" describes it as a "Colourless volatile liquid with chloroform-like odour; B.P. 40C; immiscible with water. Harmful vapour. Irritating to eyes. [these two are standard hazchem warnings] Avoid breathing vapour. Avoid contact with eyes and skin. TLV 100ppm. Toxic effects: The vapour irritates the eyes and respiratory system and may cause headache and nausea. High concentrations may result in cyanosis and unconsciousness. The liquid irritates the eyes. Assumed to be poisonous if taken by mouth." For comparison, the TLV for iso-propyl alcohol is 400ppm, for MEK, 200ppm, and for the methyl methacrylate in superglue, also 100ppm (TLV is "threshold limit value" -- think of this as a concentration to which a normal person can be repeatedly exposed, daily, without adverse effect, but be aware that accepted TLV's vary from country to country). Methylene chloride is commonly used in paint stripper (the kind that doesn't have caustic soda etc is typically 80% methylene chloride), as a propellant in aerosol sprays, and in shampoo. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 2 months

OT: RE: Packing materials

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

The USPS has started printing identifying markings on the _inside_ of their boxes, because so many people were turning them inside out to use for other purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:05 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Packing materials People like turning them inside out and sending them Fedex, UPS, overseas, etc. I only do that if the box is second hand to me. Although, I rarely ship with someone other that USPS, anyway. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA <snip>

24 years, 2 months

chip 82s100

by zahid_56＠yahoo.com

i have a a chip 82s100 it is programmed, i have it using it with 8o86 processor, i dont have the truth table of that prorammed chip,now i want to read its table or copy the same chip ,what is the procedure for it __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

24 years, 2 months

Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Ron Hudson wrote: > > For the others of us who may also lead sheltered > > lives, he's the lead vocal and Bass for Rush, the > > rock band. > No, no, no, no! > The appropriate description is: > "Ohhh, woww, man! Geddy Lee, yeahhh........" I also feel compelled to point out -- for those who may not know of it -- that Rush had a sort of "concept album" called "2112," which is how we got into this in the first place. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

OT Vinyl to MP3

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > I think you'll find this depends more on your definition of > "wonderful" which > may be "acceptable" even to me, fussy as I am, but anything > powered with the > PSU of a PC, even in its own enclosure, will not give > signal-to-noise ratio > worthy of the designation "audiophile." You might get 20, or > even 30 db, but > you should have at least 80 db and preferably 120 db of SNR > and less PSU > feed-through than that. I've seen only one card that came > anywhere close to > that and it was encased in a copper-plated steel shield and > powered with a > battery that it charged when it wasn't in use. It was not a > commercial unit. FWIW, there are also high-end PCI audio subsystems which accept direct digital input (and provide output) to an external rackmount DAC/ADC, which usually has several 1/4", RCA(?), and XLR connectors. Those would probably qualify, since by the time the audio got to the point of being affected by the noise of the PSU, it would be in digital form. I suppose that you could also do the same kind of thing with a normal (relatively cheap -- like sound blaster live) board, by using only SPDIF connections, and getting a set of speakers, or separate amp that will accept SPDIF in (for playback). There are even a couple of record players with SPDIF out (I've always wondered why, and this seems as good a reason as any) -- that would solve the problem nicely. I have a set of Altec-Lanseng powered speakers which have a somewhat OK frequency response, and accept SPDIF in. They work very well with my dedicated hard disk recorder. So, um, anyway, this is starting to diverge from on-topic. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 2 months

PDP11 Redux, or Behind-The-Scenes Bull

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Doc --- I, and everyone (well, almost!) can understand your anger, but whatever happens, don't leave us! Whenever I'm looking for info on a possible deal, whether I'm the buyer or seller, I always kept the details about the other parties an locations quiet for just this reason. It always made me feel a little bad, not quite honest, that I shouldn't do that. But every time I hear about this kind of crap, it gets easier for next time. Shouldn't be that way, not among friends. As for the culprit, since it was an offense against Doc, it's up to him as to whether or not the name should be revealed. I trust he'll come up with appropriate revenge. Personally, I'd drop some hints, then the name, and watch the f***er fry in the ensuing flame war. But that's just me. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Doc Shipley > > Y'all, > I posted a couple of days ago with questions concerning the value of, > and locating info for, a PDP11/93, for which I'm negotiating . I got > some good responses on-list, and a couple of very helpful suggestions > off-list. > > And today, one enterprising soul, a long-standing list subscriber, > found MDR's website from my email address. He both emailed and called > my boss today trying to buy the machine out from under me... >

24 years, 2 months

Packing suggestions (was Re: PDP11 Redux, or Behind-The-Scene s Bull)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > I'd recommend people who reuse peanuts _not_ mix the two > types together. > Biodegradable peanuts go bad, and must be removed from a batch of the > styrofoam type before they are dumped into the peanut bin or hopper. > Removing a few 100 biodegradable peanuts from a box of > styrofoam peanuts > is a very tough chore... Nah -- just dump them in a bucket of water, and wait a minute ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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