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by tom＠sba.miami.edu

Is it possible to boot RT-11 on an 11/23 via MOP? If so, can it be done over ethernet or does it have to be a serial line? How would loading drivers and program execution work? Thanks, Tom

24 years, 1 month

KL10-E looking for a good home

by h.wolter＠sympatico.ca

After much consideration, I've decided to try to find a new home for my PDP10 KL-10E. I'm trying to get my collection size down to a more manageable state and concentrate on my PDP11s, Vaxen and Crays. Right now, I simply don't have the means to house and power the machine, and would rather see it go to someone that does. I've not yet decided if I will ask money for it (I've already invested thousands in purchase, shipping and storage costs over the last 5 years), trade for some PDP11's or just offer it for free to a good deserving keeper. Other interesting trades like an S/390s, Cray EL's, J90s etc also considered. Please realize that it's not a turnkey system. It lacks disk drives, so something will have to be done in that regard - either interfacing more modern drives or getting some massbus drives (18 bit set PDP11 drives etc). It does have the complete PDP11/40 front end system, RHs and 2x NIAs. The cabinets will have to be reconnected and the system tested and brought up in an orderly manner by someone familiar with this class of machine. Shipping will be the responsibility of the receiver- 4 wide cabs - ~700lbs each? Should go by air ride and crated if not carefully hand packed/tied to a truck/trailer. System is located in Canada approx. 2 hrs from Windsor-Detroit or 1 hr from Niagara Falls Buffalo. Preference given to millionaires able to afford to keep it running 24x7 and provide free online public accounts ;) Private individuals with knowledge of and respect for DEC equipment esp. 10's/TOPS or those wishing to set up museums/displays and actually run the equipment will be given greater consideration. I'm loathe to put it on ebay so some dot-scam lottery winner can buy it just to say they've got a PDP10, so I'm giving people on this list first dibs. This is definitely not a first come first served, or highest bidder/trader situation - but more like finding the best home for a beloved pet. I thank all respondents in advance, but I can only reply to a limited number of serious inquiries.Please respond off-list. regards, Heinz

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORtoYates

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> >On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Allison wrote: >> From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >> >> >Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is >> >it a national trend? >> >> Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro >> regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years >> and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. >> >> A big waste if you ask me. > >Not to mention the pollution factor. I'd find it hard to believe all these >trucks spew less pollution than the trains they are replacing... > >-Toth Yep! I meant ripping the tracks up was the waste! Allison

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Vintage Computer Festival > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the > truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he > rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer. > Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one > way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would > be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he > can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > -- > If I had the time, I would offer to fly out and drive the 'Burban for you. It would be a neat adventure for me... But yeah, I would rent the 24' truck, and have a friend drive the 'Burban. Also, like someone else mentioned, have CB radio in both vehicles. You can get fairly cheap 2 or 3 channel ones from Radio Shack. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 1 month

OT: RE: Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Most of these abandonments were in the 60's into the 80's. Railroads are doing quite well now (except for Union Pacific, which f****ed up royally trying to merge computer systems from its too-many and too-fast acquisitions), and it's the trucking companies that are crying. Trivia: the first "rail-to-trail" conversion (dq's greenways with joggers) was here near Chicago -- the Illinois Prairie Path, which converted the Chicago, Aurora and Elgin interurban right-of-way, abandoned in 1961, into a bike path in the mid-1960's. (How --why?-- do I know this? My daughter is doing a school history fair project on it :-) ). There are some groups trying to revive the Chicago, North Shore, and Milwaukee r.o.w. as an alternative to a 3rd airport in Chicago. The idea is to build a high speed rail link from downtown Chicago to Mitchell Field in Milwaukee. Bob P.S. to Sridhar. How do you ship partial boxcars of goods? Easy, it's called "LCL" freight (less-than-car-load). -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:05 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment > Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that > happening. Is it a national trend? Of course, I'm aware of it primarily through local examples, but the local newspapers have run articles about how this is happening throughout the nation.... the midwest probably has more miles ot track to rip up, though... Recently, efforts have been underway to try to reclaim some abandoned right-of-way and use it to create light rail (i.e. trolley) lines... Once upon a time, there was a B&O spur that ran in front of the home I lived in as a child (not far from here)... Dad and I would walk one direction as far as the floodwall, and the other direction usually only as far as a small drug store that sold hot mixed nuts. Remember hot mixed nuts, hot peanuts, etc? Just a short walk further (which we never did) you'd find the coal company who used to deliver the coal by which we used to heat that house (did a natural gas conversion in '64 just before we moved out). But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... :( -dq

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It is too bad one can't share the truck and have the truck move > across the country with computers. There must be a lot of computers > on the east and west coasts that have to move inland and from one > side of the country to the other. Too bad you can't ship rail anymore. You can, it's just that they've unfortunately ripped-up all the old rail in order to create greenbelts... I'm lucky that I've got a mixed-use railhead near my home (freight and newly-restored Amtrack service), but I'd still need a step-van or flatbed to bring it that last mile... -dq

24 years, 1 month

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There are some groups trying to revive the Chicago, North Shore, and > Milwaukee r.o.w. as an alternative to a 3rd airport in Chicago. The idea is > to build a high speed rail link from downtown Chicago to Mitchell Field in > Milwaukee. CSX (Chessie, PennRR, NYCentral, etc) abandoned significant local right-of-way, which provided a local opportunity that couldn't be passed up. Now we have a local RR company who uses the red keystone as its logo (the line was originally PennRR). They're doing pretty well, too... -dq

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

...and yes, I do read the list. B^} * Recently, Zane wrote: > How many trips is he looking at? One. more is really not an option. > Has he already gotten the stuff he had in his house out there? Yes... that was the first three 26' trucks and a 28' semi-trailer. (A major contributing factor to the cash crunch) > He had enough stuff in the garage to probably fill a 24-foot truck, > and that doesn't even cover what was in the house itself! Probably a good time for a brief outline, since I've been rather quiet over the last few months. Currently what resides in Oregon are the (physically) larger (and most significant IMHO) components of the Computer Garage collection. The PDP8 and PDP11 systems, the VAX 11/780, and various boxes of supporting equipment and documentation. Overall, about 16 to 18 six foot tall DEC racks of gear, plus the boxed items, and various unknowns stuffed in there by the (supposedly helping) relatives after I departed. By numbers, I would say that apx. 60% to 70% of the overall collection made the move with me. The remaining items are sitting in a 10'x 20' space, so should fit into a single (large) truck. One with a lift gate hopefully... More of the story later... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

24 years, 1 month

Write only programming

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > few time...) then again there's no way to include comments... > > Sure there is -- just don't run them ;) > B4 02 B2 44 EB 11 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 29 61 20 > 63 6F 6D 6D 65 6E 74 CD 21 > Or for the disassembly challenged: > MOV AH, 2 > MOV DL, 'D' > JMP over > DB 'This is a comment' > over: INT 21h In fact, that appears to be precisely what I had in mind. The obvious problem being that it takes up space in the image... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... But all that line is *now* greenway.... <sheesh>, gotta learn to type...

24 years, 1 month

Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11/34)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:21:24 +0100 (CET) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_H=FCbner?= <hans(a)Huebner.ORG> writes: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com wrote: > > > > > I sure hope this is the last word on this, as > > > I'm not experiencing Farfignugen here folks . . . > > > > You mean fahrvergnugen? > > He means Fahrvergn|gen (or Fahrvergnuegen for the Umlaut-imparied) > :) > > -Hans Ya! Ya! Danke shoen! (Okay, I flunked 1st year German. So sue me. :^) Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

24 years, 1 month

Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11/34)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Aw, okay: Auf English-- 'Station Wagon'. And to think there was a time when I was *convinced* a 'Kombi' was a 'crew-cab' (four-door pickup truck). Then I surmised it was a van, or something similar (like a volkswagen bus, for example). Both wrong! I sure hope this is the last word on this, as I'm not experiencing Farfignugen here folks . . . On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:14:22 +0100 (CET) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_H=FCbner?= <hans(a)Huebner.ORG> writes: > One of the classic "Kombi" style german cars is the Volkswagen Passat > Variant, > which you can see at > http://www.autobischof.ch/autobischof-vw-passat-variant-600x359.jpg > > -Hans > > -- > finger hans(a)huebner.org for > details > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

24 years, 1 month

Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11 /34)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Douglas Quebbeman > > > > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 07:21:29PM +0000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > > > > > How the HELL do you fit a Symbolics machine in a trunk??? > > > The car was a "Kombi", sorry I don't know the english expression. > > > _________ > > > | \___ > > > |o_________o| (front) > > > How do you call this type of car? > > > > Lines & O's? An ASCII-mobile? ;) > > I think you have a "station wagon". A very important piece of > > equipment for the collector. > > Actually, the Kombi stands a bit taller than a station wagon, > but doesn't sit as high above the road as an SUV... IIRC... > sort-of a cross between them, with some genes from a VW Microbus > and Land Rover thrown in (although Kombis predate the Microbus)... > > I'm told many are outfitted for camping excursions. > > -dq ----- Sounds like a minivan... I must say though, the better option for the collector is... ___ ______| \___ > |_o___|____o| (front) > ...you can some pretty tall items in the back, since there's no roof to stop you. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years, 1 month

RK Stuff (was: Symbolics rescue)

by aek＠spies.com

> I seem to recall that the 11/20 PSU doesn't provide some voltage needed by > the RK11-D, and that you have to rig something up to provide it yourself. The power distribution in 11/20's is though paddle cards that plug into the slots, instead of using AMP connectors underneath, so it will take some harness mods to use an RK11-D in it.

24 years, 1 month

TRS-80 Model 16

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Oops, meant to be private.... :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:56 AM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: TRS-80 Model 16 > > > Mike- > > Is that Model 16 you're selling the Xenix-capable > dual-CPU (Z80 & 68K) machine? > > Regards, > -dq >

24 years, 1 month

TRS-80 Model 16

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Mike- Is that Model 16 you're selling the Xenix-capable dual-CPU (Z80 & 68K) machine? Regards, -dq

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to , Yates Cen...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Besides shrinkwrap, which is excellent for holding doors closed and drives in cabinets, I would recommend that one buy a large roll of large bubble wrap at Carton Services on 33XX Front Street in Portland. 2 foot wide by 250 feet, perfed on 1 foot, is $56.00. 4'X250' is about $85. I like perfed because it is easy to rip off the length you want. Great protection for monitors. I have no interest in the company. I use it because I like it and it gets equipment to their destination. Beaverton is close to Portland. Also use cardboard panels between cabinets, saves the paint. I bet with careful shopping one could buy a truck in Oregon and sell it for more in Kansas. Oregon is economically distressed at the moment and I think you could find a cheap truck. You would want to find out what is in demand in Kansas first. It would be a lot more work. I know people who have done this for moves. It works. Boy, how far OT can I get. Paxton

24 years, 1 month

Symbolics Pursuit Vehicle

by allain＠panix.com

My choice would be the Volvo XC: http://new.volvocars.com/models/xc/images/cc_gallery_ext5_lrg.jpg Converted to a Spectrum Saloon Car. (That's Sedan in the US) http://members.tripod.com/chris_bishop_ca/img204.jpg (changed) John A. Oops, doin' that OT thing.

24 years, 1 month

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Cente...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Well, some of that stuff came from me, now it is moving across country. I suggest renting a 24' or 28' truck from a Farmer in Kansas. Or you might find one from an independent used truck dealer. Look for a cheap truck rental that doesn't go by mileage but weekly or monthly rates. Offer a farmer a lump sum. Ryder has two rates usually. One with a high daily charge and a low mileage rate, the other with a low daily rate and high mileage costs. Commercial accounts can be cheaper and they do issue discount coupons sometimes. At least the one in Portland, OR has. I have negotiated long distance rates PDX-LAX and back with Budget. We asked for a discount because of the high mileage the trip entailed and got one. I think this is up to the individual agencies though. If Jim has enough to fill a 24 foot truck then it will not fit in a trailer. If you have to rent a truck that has to go back, rent one in Kansas. One ways are considerably more expensive. Look for a company that has an imbalance of trucks in one place that matches your trip. Then you can negotiate a special rate. Good luck Jim and those helping. Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 1 month

MOP booting RT-11

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

> Is it possible to boot RT-11 on an 11/23 via MOP? If so, can it >be done over ethernet or does it have to be a serial line? How would >loading drivers and program execution work? Network booting requires some knowledge of the network boot process by the OS you are trying to boot. RT has no knowledge of network booting, so although you may be able to download a primary boot image, there are no network device drivers (RT handlers) which have any code which could then load the secondary and tertiary bootstrap. I'm sure it could be made possible with a suitable development effort. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 1 month

Xyplex, Raylan ?'s

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Hi! Does anyone have any info/manual/docs for a Raylan fiber concentrator w/ SNMP card? I have a nice chassis full of 10bFL cards, including the SNMP card, but I don't have any docs for it. Some of the revisions of fiber cards (as well as some AUI ports) have a jumper labled `RAYLAN MODE' and `IBM MODE', or sometimes `A' and `B'. I'd kind of like to know what it does. Also, the SNMP card has an IP set, which of course doens't fit into my network all that well, I'd like to chage it if I could. I had a few hits googling when I first received it, but that was all just people complaining that the 10b2 ports were unreliable. :( I'm also looking for someone who's had a lot of experience with Xyplex 1600 terminal servers, or even still has one in service. I've got one with the memory expansion, but no flash card to boot it from. I have what is supposed to be the latest firmware, but I can't seem to get it to boot properly. The image is tftp'd, and then the box seems to reboot again-- starts the self test over, and fetches the image again. This too has someone's old config set on it, which might be part of the problem.

24 years, 1 month

Mitsubishi MP286L

by dadam＠mn.rr.com

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

24 years, 1 month

Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11/34)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Actually, doc, it looks like they used a VAN: The Kombi is the Volkswagon equivalent of the 'Chevy Van'. Yes, every collector should have one . . . On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:19:22 -0600 (CST) Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> writes: > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Jochen Kunz wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 07:21:29PM +0000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > > > How the HELL do you fit a Symbolics machine in a trunk??? > > The car was a "Kombi", sorry I don't know the english expression. > > _________ > > | \___ > > |o_________o| (front) > > How do you call this type of car? > > Lines & O's? An ASCII-mobile? ;) > I think you have a "station wagon". A very important piece of > equipment for the collector. > > Doc > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

24 years, 1 month

What is the 'official' name?

by jss＠subatomix.com

What is the 'official' name of the thing we call 'rack-top panel', 'rack header panel', 'maroon/red panel', 'logo panel', 'marquee', etc.? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

24 years, 1 month

Schematics of HP 9845b

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a 9845B in my storage locker, without monitor. I will see if I can get it out tomorrow. I could be talked into parting it out, whole or pieces. Contact me at whoagiii(a)aol.com for further information. Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 1 month

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