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by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I'm sorting through all my computer supplies, getting ready to move into a house. I haven't actually bought a house yet, but I'm looking. I've got this huge MTI narrow SCSI case that I'd like to sell. It'll hold 4 full height drives. Each drive fits into a steel box that is removable from the main tower. One box is an open face making it perfect for a cd-rom. I did have some troubles with certain drives not liking certain positions in the tower. I'm not sure if it was the drives, the case, or what. After I got everything arranged, it worked fine. Also the scsi select switch needs to be replaced as one bay is stuck on ID#3. This thing is built like a tank, and I love the way it looks but I just don't use it anymore. I'd like to get $50 for it. It will need to be picked up, However. I do need to point out, that this case can not be easily converted to wide scsi, due to the removable steel boxes the drives fit into. No drives included, but I do have a few cables and a terminator or two that can go with it. I'm located in Southwest Michigan. Email me for a more complete location, or for answers to you questions. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 1 month

Free: older hardware, mainly PC

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > What I was commenting on (indirectly) is the idea that many > PC-users have > that you _can't_ replace soldered-in chips, and you can't I agree completely -- in principal, of course, that said, most PC-users shouldn't replace soldered in chips :) > upgrade a 16450 > to a 16550 if it's soldered in. Things like that. I don't > want those sort > of ideas polluting this list :-) As long as the replacement chip is compatible, sure, it really is generally that easy, but there are certainly cases where I wouldn't normally try it. For instance, a board with several layers, which has the chip "integrated" onto the top. Even then, if you're desperate enough, you might be able to cut a few pins and work that way. Anyway, the point is that (and you've made this point before) replacing things is becoming much less simple. I've seen some things on some boards which I would not consider "replicable," since my definition in this context would include "without robotic assistance, or a clean-room." ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... > > Herbert? or JEdger? (or both?) <Sigh> yes, J. Edgar... Senior moments come now by the truckloads... I'll have a drool cup installed soon. > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe > that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. Must... freeze... wages... and... prices... or... all is lost! > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Ford: zipper accidents Bush: mom, is that you? Carter: now Marilyn, isn't four times a year excessive? Reagan: Well darn, now you know why I wear baggy suits.. ;)

24 years, 1 month

Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. > > But interminable waiting with nothing happening IS 100% Windoze > compatability! "Sir, this computer I bought, the hourglass doesn't seem to work..." :)

24 years, 1 month

HP LJ 2 mobo -> Apple LW 2 NT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I've always rebuilt my own fusers. Take them to bits and replace just the >lamp and/or rollers as appropriate. It's cheaper (generally), and I know >it's been put together correctly with grease on the moving parts... Humm... I might just do that. The fuser looks to be in great shape (clean, nothing looks burnt or corroded) other than the main roller. The old wiping pad that was in there had been pressed pretty flat, and a bit of the plastic had been touching the fuser roller... as a result, there is a scratch that runs around the roller. The coating is now starting to peel off, and although it is working fine right now, I know it is only a matter of time before it stops fusing the toner correctly, and starts leaving a stripe of flaked toner. When that time comes... I will look into the cost of a new roller vs a whole new assembly. (I seem to recall having replaced the fuser on my IINT, and I think the whole assembly was only about $50... but I might be thinking of the wrong printer) I fully plan on keeping this HP running for some time. My IINT has been an absolute work horse for years, so I know the SX engine is a good one, easy to work with, can get parts fairly cheap and easily... and if cared for, will just keep on going. So I don't mind spending repair money as needed with it (unlike the Panasonic KX-P4420 that I am dumping rather than spend $200 to replace consumable parts... the Panasonic is an Ok printer, but nothing great, and parts are hard to get, and are expensive) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 1 month

OT: name that computer

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with > > their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our > > beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... > > the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just > > wait till Reagan's been gone a while... > > Most leaders are sexually active. > Was Clinton in the closet? Couldn't he do better than THAT? > How about Starr's obsessive voyeurism? > About the only exception was Nixon. I am willing to believe that he was > the only president EVER who couldn't get laid. > > It took a while before even Kennedy's sexual activities became widely > known, and Eiesenhower's affairs still remain "discrete". > How long will it take before we find out about Ford, Bush, Carter, > Reagan, etc? Personally, I'd be pretty worried about ANYONE with that much power who doesn't Get Some with some degree of regularity. I can see it now: "Welcome to CNN. Six countries were wiped off the map by US nuclear missiles this afternoon because the President hadn't Gotten Any in fifteen years. Leaders from nearly thirty countries are busily putting young nubiles on airplanes bound for Washington in hopes that this will ensure their countries' safety from the Wrath of the Horny President." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. > > Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high > voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually > use a HVD disk... I get a mailing from Paralan, a reseller of these adapters, at least monthly (just a post card, actually). Plan on spending US$300 for a new one... -dq

24 years, 1 month

DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Previously, I wrote: > > 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988 > > With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I only > > have the one tape of a multi-tape set. And then "DOUG PEKSA - COMPG" <PeksaDO(a)Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote (amidst all the HTML flotsam): > IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP and UNSUPP. > SUPP (which you have) is the only one you require to get going. Great! Hey Chris, you hear that? > > What are you considering new? I am looking at the Ultrix 4.x Basic > > Installation guide dated 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's, > > VAXservers, and VAXstations. > I have seen an: > ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) CD from September 1992 > and note that a VAX CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4 > documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was supported by ULTRIX until > ULTRIX expired (can't remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5) Yes, there was an Ultrix 4.5 and it was the last version. I don't know the date on 4.5, but the date on 4.4 is May 1995. Thanks Doug. Mike

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: jismay(a)gkar.unixboxen.net [mailto:jismay@gkar.unixboxen.net] > To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right > adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had > 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. > The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive > to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper > left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. Great. I had no idea they even made HVD to NSHVSE (not-so-high voltage single ended? :) adaptors. Not that I want to actually use a HVD disk... I'll probably attempt to pick up a 18G or so ultra-scsi disk, in that case. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > I've got a Mylex PCI 20mbit adapter (DAC960[PL?]) I'll trade you > cheap. It's my opinion that on a non-server box, the gained speed is > minimal compared to the lost storage capacity suffered with > any reliable > RAID, unless you really need to mirror your data. Well, I've got a Mylex EISA RAID that would probably have a better chance of working. :) This machine has no PCI bus, but has EISA and GIO64... Even if it did have the bus for it, though, there would be the problem of finding an IRIX driver for that board. IRIX supported hardware isn't exactly plentiful. Anyway, shouldn't a decent RAID allow you to select the mode so that it only does striping ? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Free SMD disks: Eagles and Super Eagle

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Chris Craft wrote: > SMD drives hook up to a KDA50, yes? Nope...a KDA50 is an SDI controller, for RA-series drives. I don't know of any SMD controller made by DEC, though many other companies made SMD controllers for DEC machines. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 1 month

DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

<body> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 2) Ultrix-32 V2.2-1 Supp TK50 1988</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">></span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> With this tape marked 'SUPP' I suspect that I</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> only have the one tape of a multi-tape set.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">IIRC there were only two tapes in the set - SUPP</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">and UNSUPP. SUPP (which you have) is the only one</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">you require to get going.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> What are you considering new?  I am looking at</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> the Ultrix 4.x Basic Installation guide dated</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> 1990 and it lists over a dozen uVAX's,</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">> VAXservers, and VAXstations.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">I have seen an:</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">ULTRIX AND UWS V4.3 SUPP/UNSUPP (VAX) </span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD from September 1992 and note that a VAX</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">CD-ROM for Ultrix is mentioned in ULTRIX V4.4</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">documenmtation. So it looks like VAX was</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">supported by ULTRIX until ULTRIX expired (can't</span></font></div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">remember - was there an ULTRIX V4.5)</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><font face="Courier New" size=3><span style="font-size:11pt">Doug.</span></font></div> <div align="left"><br> </div> <div align="left"><br></div> <div align="left"></div> </body>

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by jismay＠gkar.unixboxen.net

To answer your question, yes as long as you have the right adaptors any drive should world in an Indigo2. I have had 68pin,sca, and HVD drives in Indigo2's without any problems. The only thing you have to do is make sure you set the drive to the right SCSI ID. the lower left is (i believe) 1, upper left is 2 and the 5-1/4 bay is 3. -- Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad he goes to his death and in death is made wise. Robert Graves

24 years, 1 month

Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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24 years, 1 month

Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 1 month

Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: Marion.Bates(a)dartmouth.edu [mailto:Marion.Bates@dartmouth.edu] > The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint > Windows system beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports > that "PC is running") but I can't switch over. When I hit > "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, the cursor > disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but > nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. Sounds like maybe the Mac drivers for the card need re-installed. Not that I have any more experience with this stuff than you, probably... > I mounted the PC disk image on the Mac side and poked through > it, and it looks like there are some major filesystem issues > -- open a folder and it contains the whole top level > directory listing, including itself -- open a subfolder, same > thing, etc. probably to infinity. It needs a complete This "folder" isn't named '.' is it? ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Doug Carman wrote: >Gunther Schadow wrote: > >> I guess so. I personally have a uVAX-II in the small cabinet, but >> I take anything, I don't care about the larger metal pieces, what >> I care about is the cable to the card and the SDI connectors. Those >> should be the same. I need the picture so a guy who doesn't know >> these things but may have the cables in a pile of stuff can recognize >> it. > >I have the cable kit for the BA200 series cabinets as well. You are >right, it will work in a BA123 if you just route the pigtails out a hole >in the rear bulkhead. The part number for the one I have is >17-00951-03. It has a 32 pin Berg connector on the module end with a >funny flat plastic retainer that holds it in. The pigtails are about 30 >inches long and each has the metal 8 pin connector that mates to the >disk drive cables. The KDA50 User Guide is at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm The BA23 cab kit is pictured on p2-2. It's basically a rectangular panel with two connectors for SDI cables. The internal cable just plugs in on the inside (and the external cables - somehwhat thicker) plugs in externally. You need two bulkheads if you want to use all four possible drives. The internal cable is four tails connected to a single flat head with a plastic cover at the KDA50 end. (It's not *that* clear from the picture unless you already know what you are looking at). More pictures on pp 2-14, 2-15 and 2-16. I cannot find a picture of the BA213 arrangement. The KDA50 board pair sits behind a three-wide metal panel (the third slot is occupied by the cabling). The internal cable is the same and heads up and to the top left drive bay. There is where the bulkhead lives ... a recessed four-way connector. I expect I'll find a picture as soon as I hit "Send" ... Antonio

24 years, 1 month

Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:59:04 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > X-Accept-Language: en > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Lawrence LeMay wrote: > > > > > > > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > > > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > > > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > > > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > > > Since the punching speed does limit paper > > > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > > > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > > > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > > > tape ... 20 minutes. > > > > > > > Well, a good optical reader can read 400 characters per second. Correct me > > if i'm wrong, but that seems like 4096 bytes takes 10.24 seconds to read > > in. Assuming its not a 30 year old tape that vaporizes at that speed ;) > > > > -Lawrence LeMay > > The TTY is the LOW speed punch/reader ... 10 CPS. > The high speed reader is 300 CPS for the PDP-8. > The problem with paper tape > on the PDP-8 at least is that you had to read a character at a > time. Read char... process ... read. This meant the paper tape > had to stop the tape on every character. Reading the tape is > not the problem ... stopping was. You know, at 300 char/sec there is more than 3000 microseconds between characters. Plenty of time for even a PDP-8 to execute a thousand or so instructions. The next challenge is to write a program to duplicate paper tapes, high-speed reader at 300 c/s to high-speed punch at 50 c/s. Keep the punch running at full speed while reading in bursts to keep ahead of the punch. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 1 month

Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:42:30 -0700 > From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.) > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Loboyko Steve wrote: > > > > The DSI punches punch their own sprocket holes. Funny, > > I don't remember prepunched tape. Wouldn't that be > > punched tape prepunched with NULL's (ha ha). > > It is a know fact that Santa's Elves will pre-punch your > paper tape for you on their days off. You have a choice > of white,red,or green paper tape. > > A low speed punch 10 cps vers a high speed punch > 50 cps could be a important cost factor. Now if you > had black paper tape one could zap out the holes > with a laser giving you a very high speed punch. > Since the punching speed does limit paper > tape to a practical limit of about 8kb was there > any really large paper tape programs? 4K focal on > a TTY was as long a program that I ever loaded from paper > tape ... 20 minutes. Once (only) I loaded PDP11 DOS from paper tape onto an RK05 disk. My memory is that it was about a cubic foot of folded paper tape in trays. Fortunately I had a 300c/s tape reader, and a 9-track magtape drive to make a disk backup afterwards. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 12, Christopher Smith wrote: > Since this is arguably an on-topic machine, I think I can probably > get away with asking here. I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

24 years, 1 month

Someone can make a picture of a KDA50 cab kit please?

by schadow＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, would somebody here be so kind an give me a digital image of a KDA50 cab kit? A part number would also be nice, but the picture would be better. Doesn't need to be very good quality, just to roughly see how it looks. Thanks, -Gunther PS: even a detailled description would be helpful. Thanks!!

24 years, 1 month

Microchannel and Redhat?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/10/2002 10:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: << Will factory Redhat work with MicroChannel? I'm having trouble loading anything but Windows on this computer!! >> ive heard that slackware will. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

24 years, 1 month

New DEC manual scan

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all who may be interested, I am starting to add scanned DEC manuals to my web page www.webwirz.com. They will all be in PDF format. The first one was added today and is the maint manual for the LA30 DECwriter. "Woo Hoo" I'll add a few more this week and then I have to give up the Kodak scanner to a different department at work for a while. Thanks, Brian.

24 years, 1 month

Barely classic

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:43 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, Pat Finnegan wrote: >I think this one just squeaks by the 10-year rule... >Today I visited the high school I used to go to, and walked out with an >Amiga 2000 with a Video Toaster. In a pinch, Amiga-heads took a hacksaw to a DB25. It might be easier to find a true Amiga cable. You'll also want separate "program" and "preview" composite monitors if you want to play TV studio. If there's a "TIO" directory there, I wrote that stuff. That's the "Toaster I/O" set of translators to handle Mac PICT files and various 3D formats into Lightwave. - John

24 years, 1 month

Altos 580

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've been looking for info on an Altos 580. It's pretty thin. The > little I've found shows the db25 connectors as rs232s, and mentions > terminals. Does that mean I can get a console on my trusty MicroTerm? > If not, are there any peripherals anywhere? Display, keyboard, an OS > maybe? If this is the squarish box, it ran MP/M-II... let me check, one we used to have where I worked ended up in the hands of a local fellow collector (hey Russ B., do you know Chris at Nomad Radio on Bardstown Road?). I saw Chris at a party two weekends ago, he's *real* hard to get hold of. But I'll see if I can, and see if Tom or Crutch gave him the manuals and software... Worst case, since MP/M-II is now freely downloadable, source and all, you'd just have to re-port it to the 580... -dq

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