IIT is around 33rd Street, near the White Sox ball park; MSI is at 57th
street, 3 miles to the south and just east of the University of Chicago (8
hundreds, e.g. 32nd Street to 40th Street, is a mile) The MSI is about 2
miles _east_ of Michigan Ave. Best way to get there is by Lake Shore Drive.
You can get to IIT from the Dan Ryan Expressway.
Neither area is that safe at night. During the day, the IIT campus itself is
OK, but the area around it has a number of housing projects. The area north
and west of the University of Chicago/MSI is a bit dicey, also.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:48 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Interesting places in Chicago area?
Russ Blakeman said:
<snip>
>
> On the BW map you'll see where Ill Inst of tech is (known as IIT) - that's
> the general area where MSI is at - it should be just east of IIT on 55th.
Of
> course there are other ways too, like going downtown when you dome into
the
> city on I-290 then going south on Michigan Ave (less of "the hood" to to
go
> thru, a lot longer trip)
Yeah...but don't go visit IIT. seriously. the museum is on the museum
campus
by the lake, which is pretty safe and nice, but you REALLY don't want to go
much west of there, especially if you're not from the area...
<snip>
>The 26 pin connector is for an Apple AV monitor. Kind of like the
>Commodore 1084S, only with Apples usual proprietory greed it has a
>different connector. Cant remember the name but it is possibly HDI-26 or
>maybe HDI-45. Most of the AV Power Macs also had another card which
>would take the Apple 15 pin monitor as well as having 4 S-Video ports.
>
> With the AudioVision monitor this would allow you to use 2 monitors at the
>same time, as well as sound systems perhaps. No I've never tried it.
You are describing a different thing that I was talking about.
I was referencing the DB 26 on the back of the DOS card. You are talking
about the video connectors on the Mac itself.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
On March 13, Bill Richman wrote:
> As previously posted, I recently finished building a Mark-8 computer
> (8008-based). It works great - in fact, I just added an EPROM board so I
> can run demo programs and eventually bootstrap from paper tape last night.
> The problem is, I only have 256 bytes of RAM. I would like to find 3 more
> banks (24 chips) worth of 1101 RAM chips. If anyone has any they'd like
> to trade for a brand new Harris 1802 microprocessor (build your own ELF!)
> or other chips, or cash, please let me know.
Hey! Let's see some pics of that Mark-8!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
On March 10, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> Not really. "I Dream of Genie" was a popular show way back when. I
> used to watch it in reruns in the afternoon when I was a kid in the
> 80's.
Me too. Mmmm, Barbara Eden. She runs around in that little skimpy
outfit calling that guy "Master"...what do YOU think is going on
there? ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
>The video dongle looks like a simple cable, but it must have some sort of
>electronic switch in it as well.
>It switches the monitor between the PCs video output and the Mac's video
>output.
>
>As a workaround, however, I remember that you CAN plug in two monitors
>simultaneously -- one that shows
>what is going on on the PC and another, the Mac...
I don't think there is a switch in the cable, but rather I think it loops
some signals back to the PC card, which causes the switch over.
And yes, you can plug two monitors in, and run both at the same time...
BUT... you still need the dongle to do that... as the dongle is the only
way to get the video OFF the older DOS cards. If you want to run two
monitors, you just don't plug the loopback portion into the Mac's video.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I finally got my Grid 1520 , which was locked
Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net
Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad
he goes to his death and in death is made wise.
Robert Graves
>Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some
>external device to plug in to. What is this?
Looking over the fact that it always hangs at the same place... I think
what is happening is, it IS booted into the PC... only that 26pin
connector is for the video dongle, and without it, you just aren't seeing
the PC screen.
There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then
have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to
go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port.
It looks like the card you have is just like all the others... without
that dongle, the card is useless. FINDING a dongle is next to impossible
without getting a whole new card. Some day I will have to sit down and
pinout one of my Dongles, so that I can at least make available a wiring
diagram for others to make new ones.
>Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's
>folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software
>archive except for patches.
Apple reorganized their software archives a while back... and they made a
total mess of things. Some stuff is located in odd places, some stuff was
moved but links not updated... ugh... its a mess for anything in the old
discontinued software.
>One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to
>click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it
>gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. Make
>sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to
>an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file
>sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care
>about that problem...right?
Yeah, this is only for hosting a shared folder between the Mac and PC. It
is a VERY nice feature. Basically, you assign a folder on the Mac side,
and that becomes a drive letter on the PC side... so anything in that
folder is read/write accessable from both worlds. But it needs a driver
installed on the PC before you can configure it. That driver is part of
the PC half of the installer software (I'm not sure it is available on
Apple's web site... if not, let me know, I'll send you an image of one of
my disks... although, you SHOULD be able to use the PC drivers that come
with the 1.6.4 version of the PC Setup software, and those I believe are
on Apple's site).
I would expect you to see the error you are seeing right now, as you
can't assign a drive letter until AFTER the PC is up and running
properly, and the driver is installed.
I would check with the person that gave you the mac, see if they still
have the video dongle. If they kept the old monitor, they may have left
it connected to the monitor (I have seen that done a few times... people
don't realize the dongle goes to the computer, they figure it is part of
the monitor and try to keep it). If you can't find one, let me know...
maybe I can pinout one of mine so you can build a new one (anyone have a
suggestion on the best way to pinout an odd cable? Or am I just stuck
using a continuity tester and going from pin to pin looking to see what
connects where?)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hello,
This is what I still have left. You pay shipping. Please reply off
list.
-IBM 68X3815 MFM hard drive controller from AT with original cables
-various mfm cables
-IBM PC Network Baseband Adpater/A (new in the box, Microchannel)
-Microchannel 4 port serial board (uses 16450 uart chips, but they are
replaceable, with cable)
-Intel 386dx-33 with glued on heatsink
-386dx compatible or upgrade chip, maybe Cyrix, I glued the heatsink on,
can't tell exactly what it is anymore :-)
-IBM keyboard cable for PC or XT, I think, maybe AT. It's not from a
Model M
-db25 to db9 convertor
-1/2 height faceplate for Seagate ST225
-IBM PC (5150) full height block off plate for unused second drive bay
-Fellows EMI glare shield for 14" to 15" monitor
-2 internal narrow scsi cable with external centronics connector (ask
for measurements)
-long 5 device narrow scsi cable (generic)
-3 two device narrow scsi cables
-1 two foot single device narrow scsi cable (folded for low cross
section)
-several vary short narrow scsi cables, some with connectors like you
would find on a card
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
On March 14, jwbirdsa(a)picarefy.com wrote:
> Who was looking for HP-IB cards? I found three genuine HP 82335 cards
> (8-bit ISA) this morning. Condition unknown but they're almost mint out
> of the box visually. Available to whoever wants them for postage ($3.50
> each in the US).
Does anyone have programming info for these? If so, I'm interested in
one or two...might wanna try to write a NetBSD device driver for them.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
>IMHO, CP/M is unquestionably a direct rip-off of RT-11.
Killdal did say that DEC OSs (TOPS, OS8 and RT11)
were the inspiration. However, one place where CP/M
was not like RT-11 was the file system as CP/M did
dynamic allocation with fragmentation where RT-11
does not support fragmented files. All RT-11 files
(OS8 too) are contigious. In that respect RT-11 file
system is most identical to NS* DOS but the NS*
dos command structure and IO are must unlike
RT-11.
Internally RT-11 and CP/M are very dissimilar save for
some underlying concepts such as an overlayable
monitor, a modular resident IO subsystem and file
handler.
Allison
One of my previous employers builds industrial security and facility
management systems. A friend from the company told me the other day that a
customer's site (a jail) has some old PDP-11 equipment that they will likely
no longer need when their new system is installed. The friend said that the
jail people said there was a 11/70 there, but he wasn't certain that they
were certain.
If I'm lucky, I may get to do some, um, contract work removing the old
PDP-11. I'm sure I could quote them a very reasonable rate.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please
send off-list mail to roach jay ess ess at wasp subatomix beetle dot com.
You may need to remove some bugs first.
If any of you get MediaTelevision (a Canadian program) you can see a
segment on the VCF sometime this week. There's a blurb on the segment on
their website:
http://www.mediatv.net/
After the Flash intro, there's a link called "VINTAGE COMPUTER" you can
click on.
I'm getting a copy of the taped segment sent to me.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
I may be wrong but I thought that it had to be N+1.
Joe
At 02:46 PM 3/13/02 -0600, Mike wrote:
>
>...
>
>Which were (and are) trivially circumvented by flashing the switchhook
>the n times, where n is the digit you wanted to dial, and pausing a
>second or two in between each digit.
>
>--Mike
>
Hello,
> Nice find! I have a couple of these and ONE keyboard. It took me four
> years of serious searching to find it!
About two months ago I noticed a complete HP-85 (tapes, manuals and a 19" rack
with HP-IB equipment) at a local industial recycling facility and told this to
a friend of mine. He immediately wanted to buy this, but when I asked, it was
already sold...
So this weekend I was at a HAM market and saw some manuals with HP-85 printed
on them and underneath was the 9915a, which I didn't recognize at the moment. I
talked a bit to the guy selling it and got it for EUR 20 (about $20), which I
hope is a good price.
> AFIK this is the only keyboard around. They are EXTREMELY rare!
Am I correct in thinking that with the keyboard I can use the 9915A as a HP-
85? Or is the keyboard just a row of digital inputs which can be read out by a
basic program?
Can I do anything usefull with a HPIB terminal? Somebody on the sunrescue list
mailed me this, but then I've tried a terminal with the serial card and that
didn't work..
> The tape approach is the easiest to use EXCEPT just about all the 9915 and HP
> 85 tape drive rollers have gone soft with age.
Aha, I also haven't gotten any tapes... Are these still obtainable somewhere?
> I've made a schematic of it. I'll try to find it but I'm not promising that
> I'll be able to. The "keyboard" connector is also used to output some
> status and control signals so be carefull if you start experimenting with
> it. I've been looking for a long time but I've only been able to find a
> couple of manuals for the 9915 and they're not very helpfull.
Those schematics would be nice if you found them, I haven't tried hooking up
anything to the keyboard ports yet in fear of breaking something. The manuals I
have are:
HP-85 Owner's manual and programming guide (2x)
Printer/plotter owner's manual
I/O programming guide
HPIB installation and theory of operation manual
HPIB peripheral installation instructions
registration and warranty cards :)
regards,
Michiel
On 2002-03-13 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl
>Has anybody actually gotten a NetBSD boot tape to work?
>Doc
There is an image of a bootable tape of NetBSD 1.4.3 which works well.
It is in
ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.4.3/vax/installation/
The install docs in the vax directory explain its use.
Kees.
--
kees.stravers(a)iae.nl My site about the DEC VAX computer
Geldrop, The Netherlands http://www.vaxarchive.orghttp://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/
Member of Insomniacs Anonymous
Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered
Yes, that IS the answer.
The video dongle looks like a simple cable, but it must have some sort of
electronic switch in it as well.
It switches the monitor between the PCs video output and the Mac's video
output.
As a workaround, however, I remember that you CAN plug in two monitors
simultaneously -- one that shows
what is going on on the PC and another, the Mac...
It is actually pretty cool -- just requires lots of desk space ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [SMTP:mythtech@mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:42 PM
> To: Classic Computer
> Subject: Re: Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS
>
> >Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some
> >external device to plug in to. What is this?
>
> Looking over the fact that it always hangs at the same place... I think
> what is happening is, it IS booted into the PC... only that 26pin
> connector is for the video dongle, and without it, you just aren't seeing
> the PC screen.
>
> There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then
> have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to
> go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port.
>
> It looks like the card you have is just like all the others... without
> that dongle, the card is useless. FINDING a dongle is next to impossible
> without getting a whole new card. Some day I will have to sit down and
> pinout one of my Dongles, so that I can at least make available a wiring
> diagram for others to make new ones.
>
> >Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's
> >folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software
>
> >archive except for patches.
>
> Apple reorganized their software archives a while back... and they made a
> total mess of things. Some stuff is located in odd places, some stuff was
> moved but links not updated... ugh... its a mess for anything in the old
> discontinued software.
>
> >One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to
> >click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it
> >gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available.
> Make
> >sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to
>
> >an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file
> >sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care
> >about that problem...right?
>
> Yeah, this is only for hosting a shared folder between the Mac and PC. It
> is a VERY nice feature. Basically, you assign a folder on the Mac side,
> and that becomes a drive letter on the PC side... so anything in that
> folder is read/write accessable from both worlds. But it needs a driver
> installed on the PC before you can configure it. That driver is part of
> the PC half of the installer software (I'm not sure it is available on
> Apple's web site... if not, let me know, I'll send you an image of one of
> my disks... although, you SHOULD be able to use the PC drivers that come
> with the 1.6.4 version of the PC Setup software, and those I believe are
> on Apple's site).
>
> I would expect you to see the error you are seeing right now, as you
> can't assign a drive letter until AFTER the PC is up and running
> properly, and the driver is installed.
>
>
> I would check with the person that gave you the mac, see if they still
> have the video dongle. If they kept the old monitor, they may have left
> it connected to the monitor (I have seen that done a few times... people
> don't realize the dongle goes to the computer, they figure it is part of
> the monitor and try to keep it). If you can't find one, let me know...
> maybe I can pinout one of mine so you can build a new one (anyone have a
> suggestion on the best way to pinout an odd cable? Or am I just stuck
> using a continuity tester and going from pin to pin looking to see what
> connects where?)
>
> -chris
>
> <http://www.mythtech.net>
On March 13, Marion Bates wrote:
> --- Chris and Martin K?ser both wrote:
> There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then
> have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to
> go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port.
> --- end of quote ---
>
> Wow, ok. She had me convinced that it "always worked" in this configuration, but that's clearly not true. She must've forgotten all about the Mega-Dongle.
*snort*
*chuckle*
BWAAAHAHHAAAAAA!!!
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
--- Chris and Martin K?ser both wrote:
There should be a cable that plugs into that port. That cable will then
have an RGB video connector to go to a monitor, an RGB video connector to
go to the Mac's video out port, and a PC Joy stick port.
--- end of quote ---
Wow, ok. She had me convinced that it "always worked" in this configuration, but that's clearly not true. She must've forgotten all about the Mega-Dongle.
I have emailed her to find out if she still has it somewhere. Fingers crossed... :)
Thanks for all the help, everyone!
-- MB
People even used to put key-switch locks on the phones that were wired
to disable the dial so that someone couldn't make unauthorized calls if
they had physical access to the phone.
...
Which were (and are) trivially circumvented by flashing the switchhook
the n times, where n is the digit you wanted to dial, and pausing a
second or two in between each digit.
--Mike
From: Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net>
>
>What is RT-11 most like?
CP/M-80 was modeled after it, or DOS on PCs.
Internally the file system is simpler but other aspects
are more sophisticated. For IO it's more sophisticated
than either DOS on pcs or CP/M though.
>Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator?
Yes.
Allison
On March 13, Joe wrote:
> >> > -Microchannel 4 port serial board (uses 16450 uart chips, but they are
> >> > replaceable, with cable)
> >>
> >>I am just wondering what a non-replaceable 16450 chip is..
> >
> >Soldered in?
>
> Potted?
Heh...no, that was Sridhar last night.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
