I have an 820 I'll let go reasonably. Shipping will be a bit of a PITA.
Where are you located?
SteveRob
>From: Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com>
>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: RE: Z80 BigBoard ID Needed
>Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:34:35 -0600
>
>BTW, I am interested in either a z80 big board or a xerox 820 if
>anyone has one they want to find a new home for...
>
>--tom
>
>At 09:03 AM 3/16/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> At 10:03 PM 3/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >I've got what I was told is a BigBoard. Can someone check
> >> >out the picture at:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.dittman.net/z80.jpg
> >> >
> >> >and see if you recognize it?
> >>
> >> That is a Xerox 820, which is the same schematically as a z80 big
>board.
> >> The big board was a different form factor (the same size as an 8"
>floppy
> >> drive) and was usually a kit.
> >
> >If California Digital is still in business, I believe the
> >boxed CP/M they were (are?) selling is for the Xerox 820...
> >
> >If gone now, I have a copy...
> >
> >-dq
> >
> >
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While at a surplus place today I picked up a box for an Adaptec SCSI Raid controller card model AAA-131U2. There's no card in it but the docs and SW are there along with the original box.l If anyone wants it slip me a few bucks for beer and postage (book rate, right Doc?) and it's your's.
There's also a couple of manuals and a disk for something called Adaptec CI/O Management in the box. I don't know if it came with the card but I'm throwing it in anyway.
Joe
I know for a fact that the HIGH Speed card works wonderfully in a IIGS as I
have one in mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <mythtech(a)mac.com>
To: "Classic Computer" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: Apple Part # for IIgs SCSI card
> I have a lead on some Apple II SCSI cards, but the seller knows nothing
> about them other than the Apple part #.
>
> Anyone have a clue if any of these will work with the IIgs (or which
> systems these work with?)
>
> >2, Apple II High Speed SCSI Card #661-0499 USED
>
> >1, Apple II SCSI Card USED
>
> >1, Apple SCSI Card #661-0499 USED.
>
> Also, what are these worth? The seller doesn't know, so I have to offer a
> price if I want one, but I want to make sure I don't offer a ridiculous
> price (either too high, or too low)
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -chris
>
> <http://www.mythtech.net>
>
Your assumption was partially correct.
A DEC terminal such as VT340 is required IF your using a
serial connection. (some of the protocal info is in the tube).
There are clones that know how to as well.
Another connection could be an XZY generic terminal
through a latserver.
A PC running the required software to emulate a DEC VT340
or VT420. This software is SETHOST (runs under dos and
was part of pathworks package). NOTE: this can use either
a NIC (LAT) or Serial line.
DEC VT1200 (and others) support multisession via LAT.
OR... any combo of VAXen with tube/keyboard and maybe
mouse.
Some of those combos are like unix in the overal topology
others require a DEC multisession tube or a clone of same.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: More VMS
>On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Allison wrote:
>
>> Whats hardware dependent about the VMS version? The unix version
>> assumes a locally connected "head" or a Xserver/Xterm system.
>
> Sorry; I misread your original post, and thought that multisessions
>required a later model DEC terminal.
> The unix screen doesn't assume any TERM definition. I've run it from
>serial terminals, ssh sessions, and text-mode logins with a variety of
>term definitions. The Linux, *BSD and AIX versions all set the virtual
>terminal to its own termcap. It makes AIX almost convenient....
>
>
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com]
> Is this an example of VAX/VMS assembly language?
> And if so, what would a good reference be to learn it?
Looks like MACRO32 to me -- so yes, it's basically VAX assembly.
I don't know of a good place to learn it (don't know it,
myself), but I hear that there is a reference in with all
of the VMS manuals on the Compaq web page.
You may or may not be aware that you can get a MACRO32
compiler (Yep!) for Alpha VMS, and very likely VMS on Itanic
when that shows up.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com]
> > You can use spawn/nowait to run stuff "in the background,"
> > . . . you can even use SET PROCESS (I think) to switch
> > between foreground and background jobs,
> That may have been ATTACH {process} that you recall.
> Also, you could suspend foreground with a simple control
> key press. With mappable keys this could be a just a two
> key process. This as of 1986.
Yep, sorry, it's been a long day already.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Whats hardware dependent about the VMS version? The unix version
assumes a locally connected "head" or a Xserver/Xterm system.
The terminal can be others as I belive some of the later VT clones
also had it. Also if you running a DEC system that has a "head"
that implied terminal does both DECwindows and Multisessions.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: More VMS
>On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Allison wrote:
>
>> Yes, If you use a terminal like VT330, 340or later there is
>> what VMS calls multisessions. Some fo the LAT servers
>> also support this with more common VT220s or VT320s.
>> I was added late in VMS 4.mumble and later versions.
>> This is not decwindows which is GUI based.
>>
>> What multisession allows is several virtual terminals over several
>> virtual circuits using one terminal and physical circuit. I use it alot.
>
> Yeah, that's pretty much what I was talking about. The Unix screen
>tool is hardware-independent, though. The host manages the virtual
>sessions and display. I have an RS/6000 that's usually running with an
>IBM 3151 [1] terminal, and screen & su allow me to be several users or
>run several login sessions.
> An additional feature of screen is its "detach" function. You can log
>in remotely, start screen, start a job that doesn't support detach,
>detach the screen session, and log out. Log in later, reattach from
>screen, and watch your job. Yes, I'm familiar with nohup, but this is
>more convenient if I'm actually watching output.
>
>[1] - What am I missing here? AFAICT, the 3151 is the lamest, most
>featureless serial terminal of its time. No options, no usefull
>emulations, really bad CRT. Bleah!
>
>
> Doc
>
>
On March 27, Erik S. Klein wrote:
> I used to go to the Trenton swap meet in the early 1980s (I remember failing
> to buy a loaded Altair 8800 system w/ 2 8" drives, paper tape reader,
> terminal and other goodies all on a rolling rack because I couldn't figure
> out how to get it home) and enjoyed browsing the toys and discards.
Ahh, TCF was wonderful before it turned into yet another "buy your new
Taiwanese PC here" show. I went to all of them from about 1982
through 1990, selling for all but one or two years. I had a great
time, every time!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant,
St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar
"Erik S. Klein" <eklein(a)impac.com> wrote:
> Are there any similar swap meets in the NorCal area?
Yes, at Foothill College in Los Altos Hills and the Livermore Amateur
Radio Klub swap meet at Las Positas College in Livermore. See
<http://www.kce.com/junk.htm> for details.
Where are you?
-Frank McConnell
I have a lead on some Apple II SCSI cards, but the seller knows nothing
about them other than the Apple part #.
Anyone have a clue if any of these will work with the IIgs (or which
systems these work with?)
>2, Apple II High Speed SCSI Card #661-0499 USED
>1, Apple II SCSI Card USED
>1, Apple SCSI Card #661-0499 USED.
Also, what are these worth? The seller doesn't know, so I have to offer a
price if I want one, but I want to make sure I don't offer a ridiculous
price (either too high, or too low)
Thanks!
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> Saku Setala wrote:
>
>
>I have been also looking for this item, so if anybody willing to
sell/swap
>one in Finland or nearby, please contact..
I've not really followed this thread, but if this is
the Gordon Bell book you can pass the time
by reading the online version:
http://www.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/Saving_Bell_Books/
Not as convenient as a hardback copy,
but probably easier to obtain!
Antonio
Set term/
I forget the specific incantation It's been years since I had
to set it on my systems.
Yes, the vt420 supports it.
The F3 or was it F4 key selects between sessions.
Each session can be the same or a different account.
NOTE: the Vt420 supported both multisessions over one line
and multisessions over multiple lines(same for VT340).
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: More VMS
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net]
>
>> What multisession allows is several virtual terminals over several
>> virtual circuits using one terminal and physical circuit. I
>> use it alot.
>
>I haven't seen this yet. Can I do that on my vt420?
>
>Just how would I go about it?
>
>Chris
>
>
>Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
>Amdocs - Champaign, IL
>
>/usr/bin/perl -e '
>print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
>'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> Is there a "screen" app for VMS? Screen allows you to use "virtual
> screens" - that is have several sessions going on one terminal. You
> page through them by hotkey.
Have you tried screen? :) Seriously, It's a GNU app, maybe somebody
put conditionals in for VMS. It would take a bit of work.
I have considered trying that, myself, if it's not already done,
but it would have to wait until my Cthugha on IRIX is working
solidly, putting it somewhere ahead of TERM on the UnixPC in the
project pipeline ;)
You can use spawn/nowait to run stuff "in the background," somewhat
like the Unix "thing &" -- you can even use SET PROCESS (I think)
to switch between foreground and background jobs, and EVE will let
you at least run DCL commands in a window. I'm not sure whether
you can have more than one DCL command in different windows at
the same time, but I don't see why not.
At any rate, the best bet if you really want "screen" is to
try running "screen" on it. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
That's it all right; dual 5" floppies, 16K SRAM, OS in ROM, RS232
& Parallel, and lots of optional modules for developing, emulating
& programming R6500 stuff & the R6500/1 single-chip micros.
mike
---------------Original Message---------------
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:50:03 +0100
From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de>
Subject: Re: Rockewell System 65
> In digging around, I again ran across the Rockwell System 65. A google
> search didn't turn up any references except to a Forth system designed
> to run on that system. Anyone know anything about this thing? Thanks.
D'oh.
Wasn't that the 'big' development system from Rockwell
for the 6502 - before the AIM ? I think I remember something
like that.
Servus
H.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net]
> What multisession allows is several virtual terminals over several
> virtual circuits using one terminal and physical circuit. I
> use it alot.
I haven't seen this yet. Can I do that on my vt420?
Just how would I go about it?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
>> It sold for \pounds 399 in the UK.
Yup, paid my money ...and waited...and waited! Worth it in the end.
> My view is that had it sold for \pounds 600 or so and had a real disk
> drive, real serial ports, and a useable keyboard then it might have sold
> rather better in the UK.
>Maybe they should have had a 'professional' version with an
>external keyboard and disk drives, to satisfy both markets.
>Anyway, history.
Can't remember - did Sinclair license the technology to ICL and *cough* BT?
Would the Merlin Tonto and ICL OPD (one per desk) have covered off the
professional market perhaps?
For those of us that were serious about computing, that didn't have access
to the kind of money a PC or Mac cost, the QL was a godsend. 68k assembler
was a bit of a jmp after Z80 though!
//Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> Sent: 27 March 2002 15:41
> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
> Subject: Re: More VMS
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Alan Pearson wrote:
>
> > As an aside to the current VMS discussion, does anyone know
> > of an equivalent to the Unix "su -" command for VMS?
>
> > At the moment I'm using an ST running UNITERM hooked up to a
> > 3100/30's console port so I'm stuck with just the one login session
> > at a time - occasionally I'd like to be able to flip over to SYSTEM
> > without having to mess about with logging out of AL and into SYSTEM
> > and back :-) Any ideas?
>
> Is there a "screen" app for VMS? Screen allows you to use "virtual
> screens" - that is have several sessions going on one terminal. You
> page through them by hotkey.
Yup. NDC Multisessions does an excellent job of that, but it's not
cheap......
a
Y'all,
I was at a thrift store this evening and they have the aforementioned
still in the shrinkwrap for $10. Oh, yeah, it's the CD-ROM, not
floppies (did Connect even come in floppies?). I already have the blue
version, so if anybody wants it for $15 + shipping, I'll go get it.
First ask gets it. Don't forget, it weighs a couple of pounds....
Shipping will likely be $6-$10 stateside.
That's right, I intend to make the lordly sum of about $4 for the trip
into town. :)
Doc
I saw this over on comp.sys.m6809. I was hopng someone here could help
this guy.
Begin message:
> From: Mike <ipscone555(a)msdsite.com>
>
> I know this is a long shot but I have a nice 6800 based single board
> computer, with keypad and LED display. It is mounted in a 2 slot
> chassis that has a smoked glass cover and wood sidings.
>
> It's very nice and works well. Problem is that I don't have a
> schematic and don't know how the memory and I/O are mapped. It also
> has a couple of 16 pin devices that are not installed. I guess I can
> buz it out and figure out what is there but that is a massive amount
> of work
>
> The system is marked: ASCI u68, System-X.
>
> I have tried an internet search but can't find anything on it. I
> think it was used in a class for learning microprocessors back in late
> 70s.
>
> Anyone have any leads on were I might find a schematic?
>
> photos a: http://www.msdsite.com/comp/u68.html
>
> Thanks,
> Remove 555 from email to email an answer.
--
tim lindner tlindner(a)watermarkpress.com
"Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android
> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
If anyone has a copy of Turbo BASIC with manual I'd like to buy one . . .
> For a while I used Turbo Basic under MS-DOS. It was an
> incredible development environment... for a BASIC ... running
> under MS-DOS... Ok, so it was "passable." Still :)
No, it was incredible. Removing the constraints of using line numbers was
a huge improvement on its own. Allowing variables local to a function or
procedure was a nice bonus as well.
> Both of the above examples are compilers, though, I think.
Turbo BASIC also has an interpretive mode.
Glen
0/0
Hello, all:
I'm looking to start a software project for the Palm platform and
was wondering if anyone on the list had recommendations for a good beginning
to intermediate book. Amazon lists quite a few but I haven't gone to the
physical bookstore yet to preview them.
Thanks.
Rich
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> For those of us that were serious about computing, that didn't have access
> to the kind of money a PC or Mac cost, the QL was a godsend.
Too right, I still remember the day I wandered past Currys
in Banbury and saw they'd repriced QL's at ?199! Wandered
home in a fret thinking "can I afford it?"... agonised over
it for a week or so then bought it anyway :-) Best box I ever
bought - within a week or so I had the Lattice assembler and
a copy of the Technical Manual and was digging around QDOS,
and soon after that I'd got a 3.5" disk drive (whoa, a whole
"1440 sectors" on one disk!) and a C compiler. That was it,
my metamorphosis into a complete "dalek" was complete :-)
Al.
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:54:13 -0500 Douglas Quebbeman
> <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> writes:
> > I was talking about the DEC BASIC that made BASIC famous,
> > the BASIC from TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 on the DECsystem-10.
> >
> > > VAX BASIC V3.8-000
> >
> > Looks like some kind of vacuum cleaner to me...
>
> Hey, as far as I'm concerned, it isn't BASIC unless it's
> BASIC-PLUS running under RSTS/e.
>
> Sorry, you guys resurrected and old (and very fond)
> memory . . .
Hey, Jeff, it's ok... someone will eventually post
MY COMPUTER LOVES ME WHEN I SPEAK DARTMOUTH BASIC
;)
