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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 29, Loboyko Steve wrote: > I just completed the very nasty job of downloading the > operating system and a few BASIC programs to my "new" > PDP8, which is built from Robert Armstrong's design. > It only draws about 5 watts, so it isn't a problem to > keep on all the time, unlike others that people on > this list might own! ... > sloboyko.home.mindspring.com/pdp8e.htm HEY! That's a really REALLY nice piece of work! :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

24 years

Neat trick I just thought of!

by fernande＠internet1.net

I just bought a IBM PS/2 Model 9577 today for $10. It's got some areas of sticky sticker residue on it. Usually, I use "Goo Gone" to remove that type of thing. A lot of times I need to let it sit and soak. The Goo Gone tends to flow to other areas, However, which can make a mess, and waste the stuff too. I decided to use toilet paper to control the flow. Basically, I used a single sheet or even less, lay it over the desired area, and soak it with the Goo Gone. The toilet paper controls the Goo Gone by surface tension..... at least I assume it's the surface tension between the toilet paper, case, and the Goo Gone. Let it soak, then you can pretty much wipe the area clean :-) -- Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years

North Star Horizon c/pm machines cpm to dos

by ron＠yosemite.net

I just found the thread a few days ago, it looks like it lived and died in 1998? - but I'm hoping there's still life out there. I need to transfer cpm floppies to dos, hardsectored unfortuntely to dos soft-sectored, otherwise there is software I could use. I have ten years of work on cpm which I can't access, and being financially challenged I can't hire someone to do it. What I need is a northstar horizon that reads hardsectored 5.5" floppies, which I could borrow or buy at a low price. Thanks for any help you can give, -Ron

24 years

DEC Hardware design available

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 26, Huw Davies wrote: > > > Just a note that <http://www.alibris.com/home.cfm> lists two copies of > > > Computer Design: A DEC View ... for sale. One is $34 and one is $57. That's > > > cheaper than Ebay by a long shot. > > > >I have one up for $49 with no bids right now. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011505056 > > US$49! That's nearly $100 Aussie dollars. > > I know it's a good book (I have two copies, one of which I've read, the > other I just acquired and has never been opened) but I wouldn't pay $100 > for it. In fact, I don't recall paying for either copy, they were just > "Huw, have this book". Heh...does that mean you'd sell yours for US$49? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

24 years

UCSD P-System & "compile once, run anywhere"

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, A friend was claiming that with the UCSD P-System, one could "compile once" and then "run anywhere" (where "anywhere" means different kinds of computers running the P-System, not different instances of the same computer). Was this true? Did users commonly compile on system A and then take the P-Code to system B and run it successfully? I'd have thought that media incompatibility would have tended to limit this capability. Was any commerical P-System software sold that was a single binary, but the vendor expected the user to be able to install/run it on any brand/model of P-System? (Or, did vendors have to produce a version for every platform?) thanks, Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

24 years

A few old Commodores

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

I received a call saying there was a few old commodores to rescue. I called and he mentioned a couple of 64's, a vic 20 and a B128. I pick up several boxes, when I get them open there is a Pet 4032 inside one of them with the B128 keyboard. there is a 103 modem, and another bookshelf worth of games, programs and a bunch of old Popular Electronics and Radio-electronics including one with an article entitled 'Hobby computer Main-Frames'. Lot's of extra cables a few dongles, a D9090 hard drive, . A capture card 2 beat up 64's.

24 years

RK07 head lock???

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 29, Tony Duell wrote: > Err, that's it. The RK07 has a solenoid that locks the head carriage when > the drive is powered down. There it no manual parking bracket or similar. I distinctly remember a drive of a similar form factor in which there was a metal peg with a grab-ring on the end that you stuck into a hole in the positioner assembly to immobilize it...am I thinking of the RM02/03 (a.k.a. CDC 9762)? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

24 years

Osborne 1 disk drives (was RE: 5.25" floppy model numbers)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Osborne also replaced the electronics on the drive with their own board. My O1 had Siemens FDD 100-5 drives. I have the cable pinout and disk controller schematics in my copy of the Osborne 1 Technical manual, if anyone wants a copy. Question: the tech manual says that with the double density option installed, the O1 could read/write IBM 40 track 8 (512 byte) sectors, Xerox 820 40 track, 18 (128 byte) sectors, and DEC 1820 DD 40 track 9 (512 byte) sectors. Can anybody verify this (Fred?)? -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 3:48 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 5.25" floppy model numbers On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Erik S. Klein wrote: > Before you scrap them? > > I'm looking for some old 5.25" drives to bring back a couple of Osborne 1s > to dual drive status. Be advised that the Osborne drives are not directly interchangeable with `normal' 5.25" drives. The ribbon cable to the card edge carries drive power as well as signals and is wired differently. You will need to conjure an adapter to use normal ones. - don > Does anyone know of a good source for old floppy drives? Or better yet, a > source for getting them repaired? > > Erik S. Klein <snip>

24 years

Osborne Floppy Drives

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>>Before you scrap them? >> >>I'm looking for some old 5.25" drives to bring back a couple of Osborne 1s >>to dual drive status. > >Be advised that the Osborne drives are not directly interchangeable with >`normal' 5.25" drives. The ribbon cable to the card edge carries drive >power as well as signals and is wired differently. You will need to >conjure an adapter to use normal ones. I have an Osborne 1 that has had dead video for a while. Since it is a spare anyway, I would be willing to disassemble the drives, and send them to the original poster (Erik, I think?). I'd also try to save any cables, connectors, screws, etc. One caveat... this O1 has had dead video since I got it, so I have never fully tested out the floppies... I suppose at some point I could have swapped them into a working O1, but I never had the time.... If the original poster could email me off-list, we can exchange shipping information. I will not charge for the drives, but because they're not light, I'd appreciate reimbursement for shipping.... Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

24 years

QL-Quality (Was: ZX-81 Question)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > >Anyway, I repair my PCs to component level as well.. > Doesn't everybody??? > > No. > OK, does _anybody_ (else)? Yes. In fact, I am at the moment endeavoring to become competent enough with electronics to make repairs like this (especially the simple ones). I'm not quite there yet. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

The Future End of Classic Computing

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:56:46 -0600 Owen Robertson <univac2(a)earthlink.net> writes: > on 3/29/02 12:47 PM, jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com at jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com > wrote: > > >> This will require lots of work to defeat, I think, as > >> the politicians have bought into the fantasy that a > >> pirated copy of something conctitutes a lost sale. > > > > Even if it does pass, there's nothing *anyone* can do > > about it. Everyone (who matters) will ignore it. > > Well I seriously doubt than anyone will go along with this, > even if it is passed. But didn't the people who came up with > this consult people who know something about computers > and software? Surely you jest. This is *LEGISLATION* remember? It has almost nothing to do with the real world. The only people lawmakers consult when writing legislation, are the people who sign the checks. > If they had, surely someone would have explained > to them that this is: A) total shit, and B) impossible to > enforce. Part "A" is actually true of *any* legislation made in the past twenty years (probably even further back than that). It's almost a requirement. Part "B" is irrelevant, because the whole legislative exercise in this country is about getting re-elected, and aquiring the money to achieve this end. Period. If it pleases the guys who sign the checks (and if the aforementioned checks have the requisite number of digits), it will become law-- one way or another. > I'm not very 'up' on intellectual property laws, but > how can they *force* programmers, both corporate > employees and individuals, to do this? That's just it: They can't, at least not without spending massive amounts of money (which we don't have) on enforcement. It's little more than a game. Geez, look what you've done-- now I need a beer! After that, I think I'm going to practise my kung-fu on this here soapbox . . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

24 years

NeXT Laser printers in Redwood City

by mtapley＠swri.edu

S.F. Bay area collectors, I assume and hope you are ahead of me on this, but: ------ From: ronfronberg(a)earthlink.net (ron fronberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,ba.market.computer,ba.market.computers,misc.forsale.co mputers.workstation,ba.marketplace.computers Subject: NeXT Laser Printers - Complete in Original Box $15 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:21:38 GMT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net I have access to a large quantity of NeXT Laser Printers. The printers are complete with all cables and trays. The printers are in original, not their own, NeXT Laser Printer boxes. The printer condition is unknown. The cost is $15 each. The printers must be picked up in Redwood City, CA the first week of April, thru Friday the 5th. The printers will not be shipped or held. The method of payment would be by PayPal. The printers would need to be paid for in advance. If interested, email me at ronfronberg(a)earthlink.net by Sunday. thanks ron -- ronald fronberg 650 - 366-2566 650 - 369-5665 fax redwood city, ca ronfronberg(a)earthlink.net -------- contact him, not me. - Mark

24 years

The Future End of Classic Computing

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Well, they could send in the police to confiscate all of your computer equipment and software, and then not give it back until after the court has thrown out the case, which could be a year or more. Try writing much real software without a computer. -----Original Message----- From: Owen Robertson [mailto:univac2@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:57 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The Future End of Classic Computing <snip> I'm not very 'up' on intellectual property laws, but how can they *force* programmers, both corporate employees and individuals, to do this? -- Owen Robertson

24 years

The Future End of Classic Computing

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:52:46 -0500 (EST) "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dougq(a)iglou.com> writes: > The End of Classic Computing, and in fact, the end > of Computing as a hobby for almost all of us, is on > the table in the U.S. Congress in the form of The > Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion > Act (CBDTPA). This insidious bill would strike at > the very heart of this community, the software that > keeps our ClassicComputers running, unless we or > someone incorporates anti-pirating measures. I say fuck 'em. Any software that complies with this probably won't be worth using anyway. History has proven time and again that 'anti-piracy' measures don't work. If the 'protections' are too cumbersome, no one will use the product. Conversely, it is also possible to implement 'protections' that don't pose a serious obstacle. > Now, if that sounded inflammatory, it should. It's > not quite accurate either. The bill will cover only > software created from the time of the bill's passage > and on into the future. The stuff we play with now > would therefore be exempt. Yeah, it looks like it's written to cover all of the M$ crap. Don't need it. Don't want it. > There appears to be a loophole for stuff you do that > you never distribute. There also appears to be a loophole > for computers that do not contain microprocessors. RIght. 'We'll never distribute this version of Linux' (wink, wink). It will just ram a whole bunch of creative people underground (but maybe we'll see a rebirth of CPUs implemented in discrete logic :^). > But there would be a horizon coming soon. If the bill > is passed, computers and software being developed now, > once 10 years old, might be on-topic, but you'd be > breaking federal law to share software. Like I said, fuck 'em. If they come after one guy, you know they'll have to come for about 1,000,000 other guys who are doing the same thing. There ain't gonna be no budget for this . . . > Sponsored by someone who must surely be certifiably > insane, one Senator Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, > if you want more information, see: Certifiably insane? I don't think that's open to debate: It's a job requirement, and has been for decades. > This will require lots of work to defeat, I think, as > the politicians have bought into the fantasy that a > pirated copy of something conctitutes a lost sale. Even if it does pass, there's nothing *anyone* can do about it. Everyone (who matters) will ignore it. My $0.02 Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

24 years

DEC 3000-600

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On 2002.03.27 22:29 pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote: > Also, I didn't get a keyboard > with it and didn't see one there. What kind of keyboard does it use, And Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote: > You need a special break out cable like on the DECstation 5000 2{0,4,6}0 > machines. It has a 15 pin D shell connector on one side and a litle box > on the other. Keyboard (any DEC LK{2,4}01) and Mouse (DEC VSXXX) are > connected to this box. And then pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com also wrote: > Does anyone have the pinout for this? Or even better, does anyone have a > pinout for both this and a Framebuffer Console cable that works with a > VAXstation 3200 and 4-plane mono framebuffer- a BC18P? OR should I just > try to plug it in? I want to get some sort of confirmation that it won't > blow up my keyboard or DEC3000 first. I am under the impression that the same cable used for the DECstation 5000 series is also used with the DEC 3000 series of machines. Given that, a BC18P (or BC18Z) is not compatible. Although I don't have a complete pinout on the BC18P, I do know that pin 3 of the BC18P (pins 1,2,3 of the BC18Z) is used for video. For the 5000 (and hopefully the 3000) the first few pins are used for the keybaord. And Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> added: > The kbd/mouse dongle pinouts are posted on the web somewhere. Try > Googling "dec 3000/300x pinout" or something. I looked briefly last > night and can't find it, but it's out there. Having not found the 5000 cable pinout myself, I did a pinout for it some time back. I will paste it to the end of this and we will go from there. Mike DECstation 5000 keyboard/mouse cable and related info --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- The DECstation 5000 has a 15 pin (male) D connector on the back for keyboard and mouse connections. There is a cable that plugs into the 5000 connector and has a keyboard socket (RJ-11) and a mouse socket (7 pin mini-din) on the other end. I am under the impression that the same cable is also used with the DEC 3000 series of machines. The part number for the cable is 17-02640-01. For a keyboard, use a LK201 or LK401. For a mouse, use a VSXXX-AA (round hockey puck) or VSXXX-GA (rectangular). CABLE INFO The cable pinout (from the DECstation 5000/240 manual) is: Pin Signal Desc. 1 GND Ground (to keyboard socket) 2 KEY.TX Keyboard transmitted data 3 KEY.RX Keyboard received data 4 +12v Keyboard power 5 GND Ground 6 MSE.RX Mouse received data 7 MSE.TX Mouse transmitted data 8 GND Ground (to mouse socket) 9 GND Ground (to mouse socket) 10 NC 11 NC 12 NC 13 +5v Mouse power 14 -12v Mouse power 15 GND Ground (to mouse socket) I have also verified the above info with a VOM. KEYBOARD INFO As for the keyboard, I had a couple of them open a while back (to clean out the cookie crumbs) and traced them out somewhat. Looking into the end of the plug on the cable coming from the keyboard. |------------| | o o o o | | B R G Y | |___| |___| |____| B - Black - Data from keyboard R - Red - +12v to keyboard G - Green - Ground Y - Yellow - Data to keyboard And looking into the socket on the end of the 17-02640-01 cable: (also applies to the keyboard socket on a terminal such as a VT420) |------------| | o o o o | | Y G R B | |___| |___| |____| Pin Y to pin 3 of the 15 pin D connector on cable 17-02640-01 G to pin 1 ... R to pin 4 ... B to pin 2 ... I do not include pin numbers for the keyboard connector because I have found on-line references to some of this info and in some cases the pin numbers differ. Your mileage may vary. MOUSE INFO As for the mouse, you will find the pinouts below and the signals. Please note that the pin numbers may not be the official DEC numbers. Here again, I have seen on-line references to some of this info and the pin numbers differ. Looking into the plug coming from the mouse: 5 6 7 o o o 4 o === o 1 o o 3 2 1 - -12v 2 - Data to mouse 3 - Ground 4 - Data from mouse 5 - +5v 6 - nc 7 - nc And looking at the socket on a machine or end of the 17-02640-01 cable: 7 6 5 o o o 1 o === o 4 o o 2 3 Pin 1 to pin 14 of the 15 pin D connector on cable 17-02640-01 2 to pin 6 ... 3 to pins 8, 9, & 15 ... 4 to pin 7 ... 5 to pin 13 ... 6 nc 7 nc

24 years

DEC field veterans: what's KA64A's self test #21?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Ethan Dicks wrote: > >--- "Carlini, Antonio" <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> wrote: >> To verify (for sure) you should have >> the yellow LED off (self-test failed) >> and the red LEDs below that >> reading OFF, ON, OFF, OFF, OFF, OFF, ON >> (which is 21 in BCD - no, I don't know why!) > >What doesn't make sense? The use of BCD ... what's wrong with good old binary! I guess they were trying to make it easier for the hard of counting. Antonio

24 years

Free Cipher M990 manual

by pcw＠mesanet.com

Came upon this manual and dont see I'll ever need it This is for a Cipher M990 9 track tape drive manual has complete schematics and maintenance info interesting machine, has both a Zilog 8002 and a 16 bit bit-slice processor in it... Free for shipping costs Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics

24 years

Sneakernet: Osborne SSSD to Commodore 128

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I was wondering if there is a simple way of tranfering cp/m files from the original Osborne 1 format to something a Commodore 1574 drive can read. I see it does Osborne SSDD, but not SSSD. I'm also wondering about downloading software of the net on my Linux box, as I can get either a 360k or 1.2M 5.25" floppy (MS-DOS format???) i'm open for suggestions . . don't want to do a serial poert transfer. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

24 years

The Future End of Classic Computing

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/29/02 12:50:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, menadeau(a)attbi.com writes: > The classic computing hobby aside, The CBDTPA is stupid on a number of > levels. Most electronics manufacturers are against it, for example. They say > it will discourage innovation and slow the development of new products. > Civil libertarians oppose it for potential privacy issues and its likelihood > of impeding the free flow of information. > > By all means, contact your Congress critter if you want to express your > opposition. I suggest, however, that you bring up some of the more high > profile arguments against the bill as well as its impact on the hobby. > > The CBDTPA is not a done deal. Powerful forces are lined up on both sides, > OK, I just read the CBDTPA.. It'll never work even if it were to be passed and here's why... The act specifically says the security measures *shall not* prevent a legal owner from making a personal copy (presumably for backup perposes,etc..). If you can make a backup, you can trade it, etc, just like it is happening now... The second good reason it'll never work is they can't possibly enforce it. You can't subject other countries to US rules policies, and the act doesn't have any provision for open source or freeware, or PD goodies. The US nor any other country can effectively poliece/control the internet. Thirdly, you can't use a hardware decryption because there is no feasable way of that method working on all available platforms (and imagine the US saying to companies that they can't make such and such a product unless they install "our pre-approved security gizmo"), so you would have to use software.. There's no way a software encryption/decryption would work because you could not possibly keep the code from leaking out or being reverse engineered. Lastly (at least how I see it) the act would invariably violate freedom of speach by dictating how and where we could express information. -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

24 years

The Future End of Classic Computing

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

>From reading the Wired article, it looks like the biggest backers are the big movie studios and record companies, so it makes sense that the bill is clueless about open source and PD software. Scary nonetheless. -----Original Message----- From: LFessen106(a)aol.com [mailto:LFessen106@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:29 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The Future End of Classic Computing <snip> OK, I just read the CBDTPA.. It'll never work even if it were to be passed and here's why... <snip> the act doesn't have any provision for open source or freeware, or PD goodies. The US nor any other country can effectively poliece/control the internet.<snip> There's no way a software encryption/decryption would work because you could not possibly keep the code from leaking out or being reverse engineered. <snip>

24 years

RK07 head lock???

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Mitch Wright wrote: > >Does anyone know how to park(lock) the heads on RK07 drives for moving? The RK06/RK07 User's Manual is available at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm I don't see anywhere that mentions locking or unlocking heads, but I only skimmed through quite quickly. Antonio

24 years

(Fwd) pdp-11 availalbe

by dougq＠iglou.com

Forwarded from alt.sys.pdp8,10,&11: (contact the originak poster, please) From: "Betty Sparks CIRT-IRC" <bsparks(a)unm.edu> To: <bsparks(a)unm.edu> Subject: pdp-11 availalbe Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:21 AM Is there any interest in a pdp-11...maybe an e with all the associated DEC documentation? Also, any other group that you migh know of that would be interested and I will send info to them thanks Betty -- -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (dougq(a)iglou.com) [Call me "Doug"] "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

UCSD P-System & "compile once, run anywhere"

by dougq＠iglou.com

> A friend was claiming that with the UCSD P-System, one could "compile once" > and then "run anywhere" (where "anywhere" means different kinds of > computers running the P-System, not different instances of > the same computer). > > Was this true? I've never seen it contradicted. > Did users commonly compile on system A and then take the P-Code to > system B and run it successfully? It wasn't likely common. > I'd have thought that media incompatibility would have tended to > limit this capability. Serial ports and modems would more or less get around this problem. > Was any commerical P-System software sold that was a single binary, > but the vendor expected the user to be able to install/run it on > any brand/model of P-System? (Or, did vendors have to produce a version > for every platform?) The Smalltalk-80 System also used an interpreter, called the bytecode interpreter, and it was in fact common to take an application compiled on, say, a Xerox Dorado and run it on a Xerox Magnolia, or even a Tektronix box. I've seen references recently to an Alto version of Smalltalk-80 2.2, so the apps crafted at XSIS (Xerox Special Information Systems) like The Analyst(tm), might have been worked out on Altos then run at the The Company on Magnolias. -dq -- -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (dougq(a)iglou.com) [Call me "Doug"] "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

UCSD P-System & "compile once, run anywhere"

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] > We all know there's only one real high level language :) German? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Infoserver 150 DEC

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I could use the link too. I just ran across one. Paxton

24 years

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