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Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I went in over lunch to see what was new/old, and discovered they are closing for inventory for a few weeks, but when they reopen in May, they will only be open one day a week. The idea is that they will post stuff to a web page so you can see what's worth a trip down on the single day they do business. The guys who work there seem to think that management doesn't understand that stuff won't flow out as fast and they'll have a backlog. They figure the new hours will last as long as the floor space does. In the meantime, they had PowerMac 6100s for $5, 7100s for $10-$15 (I left them there; already have a 6100; just got an AV monitor from them for $5) I also saw a couple of A-sized HP pen plotters, a bunch of free 14" VGA monitors (probably to clear them out before inventory) and the usual desks and IBM Selectric typewriters and $10 laser printers. I did pick up a few things... Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2) DEST PC SCAN 2000 (free) NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the second one let out the magic smoke). Apple 20MB SCSI drive (old Mac or late Apple II) Misc Sun SCSI, video and serial cables (free - being a regular customer has its benefits, like knowing they allow you to take a dip into the large box of assorted cables when purchasing items (no sign above the box); they don't require a one-to-one match-up of cables to items, so I get a lot of Mac and Sun goodies that way. They just don't want to price the cables or keep them with the items for sale, so they all go in a big box if they are not attached to things). I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards on the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah, well. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

24 years

AS/400 and DATA General Stuff

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

At a auction today I was able to get a IBM AS/400 Advanced 36 for $37.50 but no terminal or keyboard with it. The black case is in pretty good shape and it powers on and gives a number code in the little reader on the front of the case. Got a Data General terminal model 5220 but no keyboard was it for 6.99 at a thrift. At the auction a also got Tandy VMT monitor and IBM mono monitor both for free. Got a MAC (128) kb and mouse both in the designer boxes with their foam containers. This is better good since someone jut paid over $500 for these same type of boxes with nothing in them on eBay. I got both for $4.98 at the thrift.

24 years

Does anyone have a live VT52?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Carlini, Antonio <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> > My quick check of the the VT102 and VT220 manuals > does not show "ESC /" as a recognised emulated > VT52 sequence. The VT100 manual makes it quite > clear how to react to random ESCape sequences. > It is pretty silent on VT52 emulation mode. I suspect > the VSRM is too (if we still have one in > the office, I'll check tomorrow). Vt100 and later were ANSI extended terminals. VT52 however was pre ansi. The behavour for unknown escapes in vt52 were generally no-ops or redundant decodes. The closest VT52 emulation for 80 char modes was H19 (it could not do the 132 wide and doublewidth). > When I wrote a VT102 emulator, many moons > ago, I know that since most VT52 escape > sequences were of the form "ESC x" then > I would have ignored "ESC x" for an > unrecognised "x" and displayed > "ABC" when fed "A ESC / BC". It seems > that real VT terminals do not do this. VT52 was very different from VT100 and later. many of the VT52 sequences were both constrained by 7bit ascii and it's very limited intelligence. > The only way to determine whether the VT1xx > is a faithful VT52 emulator is to see what > a real VT52 does. (Or read the schematics, > which I believe are online). True, though a real VT100 in VT52 mode is safe. Allison

24 years

Does anyone have a live VT52?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Paul Williams <celigne(a)celigne.freeserve.co.uk> >I think that in the case I described to Jerome, there is a difference >between a VT52 and a later terminal in VT52 mode. The fact that the >surmised difference is insignificant hasn't stopped me from being >curious about it! The difference should be small and on the more esoteric edges of the spec. The SRM was developed after the VT100, so some things may have exception cases but VT52 and VT100 capability in latter terminals were based on VT52 and VT100 behavour by actual testing and also known behavour. >The most diligent of terminal emulator authors will fall into large >holes left by the external specifications, so I'm doing some work to be >as precise as I imagine the Video SRM is. Is that the document >containing chunks of Pascal that make a reference emulator? No, never saw Pascal code in the SRM (it's about 2 inches thick!) nor have I seen it outside DEC. It was part of the some 203 DEC STDs such as VAX archectecture, packaging and all manner of other things. Allison

24 years

ADM-3A: choose your colour?

by celigne＠celigne.freeserve.co.uk

I've just acquired two Lear-Siegler ADM-3As and was surprised to find that one is brown and the other is blue. As trivial as this is, I was wondering whether any other colours were available and whether this signifies any difference in capabilities?

24 years

ADM-3A: choose your colour?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@celigne.freeserve.co.uk] > I've just acquired two Lear-Siegler ADM-3As and was surprised to find > that one is brown and the other is blue. As trivial as this is, I was > wondering whether any other colours were available and whether this > signifies any difference in capabilities? I don't know, but mine is brown. If you find out about the blue one (or the brown one) I'd like to know :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Christopher Smith may have mentioned these words: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Craft [mailto:ccraft@springsips.com] > >> Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff? I need a >> keyboard and some >> cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together. > >This reminds me -- I have one of these IBM terminals with a twinax >plug on it. Is there a reason it couldn't be adapted to use serial? > >In other words, can I use it, or do I need to wait until an AS/400 >falls into my lap? (*ouch*) AFAIK, you'll need to wait for a broken lap... the AS/400 twinax runs at 1.5Mbit and I don't think that changes at all; besides, I thought that the AS/400 ran EBCDIC, not ASCII, which could make for some interesting looking login screens... ;-) But I've only worked a little bit here-n-there on AS/400's; for all I know I could be full of condensed milk. HTH, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

24 years

Does anyone have a live VT52?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Allison wrote: > >You can use any dec terminal, set it to VT52 mode >and then try the results. The Video SRM (dec internal) >made the behavour a standard for all VT52/100/220/320 >and all the rest. My quick check of the the VT102 and VT220 manuals does not show "ESC /" as a recognised emulated VT52 sequence. The VT100 manual makes it quite clear how to react to random ESCape sequences. It is pretty silent on VT52 emulation mode. I suspect the VSRM is too (if we still have one in the office, I'll check tomorrow). When I wrote a VT102 emulator, many moons ago, I know that since most VT52 escape sequences were of the form "ESC x" then I would have ignored "ESC x" for an unrecognised "x" and displayed "ABC" when fed "A ESC / BC". It seems that real VT terminals do not do this. The only way to determine whether the VT1xx is a faithful VT52 emulator is to see what a real VT52 does. (Or read the schematics, which I believe are online). Antonio

24 years

Native CP/M

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> >> I'm trying to build a development platform for my Imsai. > >> I've tried various CP/M emulators but haven't found one > >> I like yet. > >> > >> Has anyone sucessfully run CP/M on a PC without running > >> under dos and/or windows? > > > > Without using Windows or DOS, the only CP/M you're > > likely to run on a PC would be CP/M-86, and yes, I've > > done it with a Zenith Z-150/151. > > Actually you can run CP/M emulation under Linux/FreeBSD on it. > > Bill Well, he started out by saying he'd not seen an emulator he liked... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

Half on, half off -- New CD-R drive and 512-byte blocks

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > To: "Classiccmp (E-mail)" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Half on, half off -- New CD-R drive and 512-byte blocks > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:17:56 -0500 > > I just bought a new CD-RW drive -- a Sony CRX145s -- and am curious > about whether it may read the 512-byte blocks necessary for using it > as a backup boot device on my VAXen, Sparc, SGI, etc. > > Does anyone know whether this, or just for information, some other > CD-RW unit, will do such a thing? > > Note that I do know that discs are written in 2048 byte blocks, and > the answer won't affect its performance in writing disks on these > systems. I am also aware that doing this for the long term may > needlessly shorten the life of the drive. As I said above, it is > more for curiosity, and eventually I would like to know that in case > my RRD42 dies, I have a backup. :) A minute or two with Google led me to < http://sony.storagesupport.com/dlagreement.zulu?dlid=cdrw/downloads/Crx145s… > which is the manual for this drive. Looking carefully I see that it has 5 pairs of configuration jumper pins. Three for setting the SCSI ID, one for termination, and one "test block do not jumper". Your guess is as good as anyone else's. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

24 years

Does Anyone Have A

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Simon as shown on the Blinkenlights web site?

24 years

Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Craft [mailto:ccraft@springsips.com] > Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff? I need a > keyboard and some > cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together. This reminds me -- I have one of these IBM terminals with a twinax plug on it. Is there a reason it couldn't be adapted to use serial? In other words, can I use it, or do I need to wait until an AS/400 falls into my lap? (*ouch*) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Half on, half off -- New CD-R drive and 512-byte blocks

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > It's likely that if your CD-RW drive is a SCSI type, you'll > be able to do what > you want. If it's an IDE type, you'll probably best forget it. I should have mentioned that -- it's SCSI, of course. > However, I'm not a CD-RW fan because of the media cost. BEGIN off-topic-moment The only reason I'm particularly interested in the RW capability of this drive is for some experimentation with Linux on a Sega Dreamcast. I have it booting from CD-R, but if the Dreamcast will use an RW disc, it may save me money and coasters in the long-run. END off-topic-moment Perhaps it may also be useful for transferring data between two systems with these drives (...or mine is an external, so the drive could be carried), in the absence of a better removable media solution. I must admit that last time I saw them, they were megabyte-per-megabyte cheaper than any other common re-useable removable storage. > If the drive manufacturer can profide the command set and you > can figure out > how to create a driver for it for the target environment, you > can do what you > want. However, there's lots of learning curve. We struggled > for three years > just getting a standard adopted for bootable CD's. I suspect > this may get to > be even more tangled. I think that I should have been clearer here too -- what I'm wondering is not whether it will work with the environment, since I'm sure that cdrecord will compile and drive it in nearly any environment I'm likely to need. The question is -- in the case of my other drives going out, would it be possible to use this drive as the primary boot device for one of these systems. That, of course, requires the slightly odd (for a CD) block-size. It's likely that I'll just plug it into the VAX and try booting VMS from it -- that would answer the question pretty quickly. :) I was just hoping that somebody knew right off... Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Does anyone have a live VT52?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

You can use any dec terminal, set it to VT52 mode and then try the results. The Video SRM (dec internal) made the behavour a standard for all VT52/100/220/320 and all the rest. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Paul Williams <celigne(a)celigne.freeserve.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Does anyone have a live VT52? >Does anyone have a live VT52 to hand? I'm working on a patch for xterm, >and I have a query about its behaviour that could be answered by having >someone type five characters in local mode and reporting the results. >Unfortunately my VT52 is dead and I haven't spent the time to discover >why, yet. I promise that these five characters won't kill yours!

24 years

hp64000 (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Can anyone help this chap? It is not my field. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:56:35 +0200 From: Ciril Prevc <Ciril.Prevc(a)iskrasistemi.si> To: donm(a)cts.com Subject: hp64000 Hi. We have a problem with files on HP64000 system with password protection. We lose even MgR password. So we need a help. Do you know somebody who have a solution for our problem. Best regards ciril

24 years

need the use of a scanner with sheet feeder (near Seattle if possible)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:27:01AM -0400, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have one? I have borrowed two large manuals. > > > I'd like to scan them, as opposed to photocopying, but > > > it would have to be quick and reliable (so I can get > > > good results the first time and return the manuals > > > in good shape). > > > > I don't know what Al does, but CDC manuals have "taint", > > a small piece of paper that forms the outside edge of > > that center, long-oval-shaped hole. The taint gets torn > > by sheet feeders... so if you want to return them in the > > same condition as you borrwed them, I'd have to recommend > > against the sheet feeder. > > Hopefully Al will explain his methods soon. Sheet-fed scanner for most stuff, he does use a hand-scanner for bound stuff. Like Eric, I'm pretty sure he does most pages as 600dpi line art. I just got doing the same for a section of a CDC manual that's in hot demand; then used Kodak Imaging to create a multi-page TIF from the individual TIF pages. Then print to PDF using Adobe Acrobat 4.05's PDF Writer. Yields a 367kb PDF, whereas multipage TIF was 2.1MB. > I don't see any taint on mine -- all the holes look the same > shape to me. Can you give example titles? Perhaps they changed > their methods after a certain date. http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/6000front.jpg Should be obvious over on the left, center... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

Native CP/M

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I'm trying to build a development platform for my Imsai. > I've tried various CP/M emulators but haven't found one > I like yet. > > Has anyone sucessfully run CP/M on a PC without running > under dos and/or windows? Without using Windows or DOS, the only CP/M you're likely to run on a PC would be CP/M-86, and yes, I've done it with a Zenith Z-150/151. -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

DWBUA woes

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Ethan Dicks wrote: > >communication with the UET. Before anyone asks, there is nothing on >the Unibus except the UET and a full boat of double-grant cards. What's on the VAXBI bus? >At this point, I suspect the DD11DK, the M9313 UET and/or the cables. >I have three M9313 modules. One consistently generates a 12, two >generate an E. What's not clear to me is if the tests are performed >in numerical order - i.e., the "12" UET is working "better" than the >two "E" UETs. I cannot guarantee that any of the UETs are fully >functional. Judging by the diags I see for the XMI<->BI equivalent widget, my guess is the diags do something like: "test I can see the VAXBI side", "play with the VAXBI side a little", "test I can see the UNIBUS side", "do data transfers". Since that's roughly the order the tests are numbered in for the XMI widget, if the same logical sequence is true for the VAXBI widget, I would guess that 0E means an "earlier" test failure that 12. >Anyone with any substantial DWBUA experience? Not me. I never broke mine :-) >I have the tech manual, Is it scanned - it may help :-) >but in the past, I just plugged it in >and it worked. Didn't have to >go at it step-by-step. Remind me what processor you are running this on. A Scoprio of some kind IIRC? Which backplane: 12 slot or 24 slot VAXBI? What exactly do you have in which slots of the VAXBI? The 8200 Owner's and Installation Guides are available at: http://208.190.133.204/decimages/moremanuals.htm (or they will be when it comes back up ...) Nothing obvious leaps out at me from the Installation Guide. There is a bit in bold that means "plug the cables into the M7166 the right way round, and mind they are delicate". There's another bit that says M7166 in first slot, UET in last slot and grant cards all the way along. And another bit that says "don't snag the cables when closing the UNIBUS cab" It doesn't say "make sure the four cables go to the right places" but the diagram on p4-28 shows how they should go. The DWBUA needs a transition header installed (but I presume you would not even have got this far into the tests without one!) Finally it says read the Tech Manual if the T1010 yellow LED does not light!! Antonio

24 years

Simon & Merlin

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

--- John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> wrote: > There was also a 10 key "Merlin". I haven't seen any of those. > > John A. I still have mine from 1978. Still works. -ethan Me too, though the battery cover is now duct tape. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

24 years

DWBUA woes

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

So... the 8200/DWBUA saga continues... I got a replacement T1010 module. It passes internal tests unlike its predecessor. It does not pass all diagnostics (no yellow LED). The two error codes I see in GPR0 (General Purpose Register 0) are 12 and E. Code 12 means that the DWBUA could not cause the M9313 UET to respond to an interrupt cycle. Code E is a register-communications issue. The DWBUA won't pass diags unless an extensive set of conditions are met, including full communication with the UET. Before anyone asks, there is nothing on the Unibus except the UET and a full boat of double-grant cards. At this point, I suspect the DD11DK, the M9313 UET and/or the cables. I have three M9313 modules. One consistently generates a 12, two generate an E. What's not clear to me is if the tests are performed in numerical order - i.e., the "12" UET is working "better" than the two "E" UETs. I cannot guarantee that any of the UETs are fully functional. I have no Unibus VAXen (out of storage and set up) to test an M9313. I could set up an 11/04 to tweak at the registers, but that's simple CSR poking, not full diagnostics. If there's anything related to XXDP and a UET, I guess I could try that (I'd have to either dig out my RUX50 or get XXDP onto 8" floppy somehow, unless I can get it on an RL01 or RL02 pack - I have an RL02 and RL11 right here). Anyone with any substantial DWBUA experience? I have the tech manual, but in the past, I just plugged it in and it worked. Didn't have to go at it step-by-step. Ideas? Source of working UETs? Thanks, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

24 years

NeXTstep 3.3 minimal developer setup

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

I'm looking into ways of setting up a "poor mans 3.3 developer toolkit" up on a NeXT slab which currently has 3.3 user installed on a 100Mb hard disk. Before I get too into the idea I thought I'd better ask if anyone on the list has already tried and failed :-) I'm guessing that all I *really* need are the includes - the libraries are already installed, and IIRC I can cross-compile GNU tools on a Linux box (any idea what versions of compiler etc were supplied with 3.3 Developer?). I'm happy to archive apps to floppy to free up a bit more space if required. Any thoughts, NeXT fans on the list? I know it's probably easier to trawl for a copy of 3.3 Developer and just install a bigger hard disk, but this way seems a bit more fun :-) TIA Al.

24 years

Does Anyone Have A

by allain＠panix.com

> they still make em, in a mini version. Type +simon+electronic+memorize into Yahoo, pick the first link (Amazon), get this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN2/B00000IWGW/ref%3Dpd%5Fsim%5Ftoys/104 -1881300-0590301 Electronic Handheld Simon by Milton Bradley Our Price: $12.99 Type +"milton bradley"+simon into Yahoo and you can go nuts all day long. You probably shouldn't, it's not good for your health. John A. and then there's "Trivial Pursuit"...

24 years

probing HP-IB devices on the HP-IPC

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

Hi, For those of you following the saga of my attempts to resurrect my HP-IPC here is the latest update. I have managed to create diskettes that the IPC can read by using an original 720kb PC compatible diskette drive and original double density diskettes. I used OpenBSD (any Unix-like system should also work) and the command dd if=IPC-IMAGE of=/dev/rfd0c to copy the images I downloaded >from the network to the floppy. Although some of the images did not work first time (and OpenBSD refuses to write to IPC formatted diskettes) I eventually managed to get most of the usefull files to IPC formatted diskettes (by going through the IPC). My next step is to see how to address HP-IB peripherals from the ROM BASIC. I tried to use the following Series 80 program from the SERIES 80 HP-IB Interface Owner's Manual Original program: 10 S=7 @ ! Variabe S is select code 20 SET TIMEOUT S;500 30 ON TIMEOUT S GOTO 100 40 FOR I=0 TO 31 50 DISP "SPOLL DEVICE # ";I 60 S1=SPOLL(S*100+I) 70 PRINT "DEVICE ";I;" PRESENT" * 80 NEXT I 90 STOP * 100 ABORTIO 7 110 PRINT "DEVICE ";I;" NOT PRESENT" 120 GOTO 80 130 END To get it to run on the IPC I added the following 2 lines 12 MASS STORAGE IS "/dev" 14 ASSIGN 7 TO "hpib" Now the program runs but reports all 32 devices as present(!) I only have an HP-9122D dual diskette drive at address 1 and an external printer at address 5. Any clues? Thanks **vp

24 years

Video Card

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 8, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > Ok, well, "video subsystem", if you like. And isn't a 3AT actually a > 7030-3AT? Would you consider kicking that GXT1000 my way? What would you > want for it? And if any of those 3ATs need a new home... 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

24 years

Video Card

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 8, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > > > Yeah but I'm quickly learning that these machines are *cool*. My > > > > new 3CT with its 66MHz clock is *screaming* fast! These processors > > > > are *incredibly* clock-efficient. Now I want MORE! 8-) > > > > > > MUHAHAHAHA. My evil plan is working. > > > > FREAK! > > I'm the RS/600 drug dealer. "The first one's free!" -Dave -- Dave McGuire "I thought it would go quickly, St. Petersburg, FL that rubberized bottom..." -Sridhar

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