On Apr 15, 14:24, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not
> into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the
> bottom of the page...
> "Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut"
> http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html
DEC (and Sun, etc) used something like that but with a real nut welded (?)
onto the clip, like the diagrams at the top of
http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/utypenrcat.html
I've always known the ones DEC used simply as Tinnerman nuts. The other
type used by DEC is like a strip of spring steel wrapped round the nut and
then formed into a springy clip that clips round the rails (sorry, can't
find a picture). The correct size for rack screws is 10-32 UNF, rather
smaller than any of the ones on the PalNut page.
> > From: Carl Lowenstein
> >
> > You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine
> > screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have.
> > There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at
> >
> > < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html >
The picture of a retainer nut (which happens to be made by Tinnerman in
this case, but isn't what I'd call a "Tinnerman nut") at the top of that
page is of what everyone over here calls a "caged nut". They're used on
european racks, which have square holes not round ones; the normal size
takes an M6 screw (DEC screwss are 10-32 UNF, which is very similar to M5).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years
and some of the other related companies. I still have and use
PALASM and PALASM90.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from
MMI back
>when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology.
>
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM
>Subject: Re: TTL computing
>
>
>> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number
>> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else
>> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help
>> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them.
>>
>>
>> Allison
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: TTL computing
>>
>>
>> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA
>> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended
for
>> the
>> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series.
>> >
>> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series
>> bitstreams?
>> >
>> >Dick
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>> >Subject: Re: TTL computing
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> OLD tools, as in dos based.
>> >>
>> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990)
2064's,
>> >> don't
>> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series
parts
>> >> (which,
>> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured
out a
>> >> way to
>> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
>> >> software.
>> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased
out
>> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
>> >>
>> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool
based,
>> I
>> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> From: Hans Franke
>
> > Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the
> > messages that I post to this list?
>
> I'm not shure if this is originated in the Mailinglist server.
> Over here I have some 20 seconds to 3 minutes (a few times up
> to 10 minutes). Looks more like your providers infrastructure.
>
> Gruss
> H.
>
> --
> VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
> http://www.vcfe.org/
>
It probably is Yale's fault, but what makes that hard to believe is
the fact the this list is the _only_ e-mail (list or person-to-person) that
has such a delay... Oh well, such is technology... :)
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VMware stopped supporting OS/2 (it was supported in a 2.x beta) around
the time they started selling VMWare bundled with Windows. They claim
there's no connection and that support was removed because of lack of
demand. Insert conspiracy theory about a deal with Microsoft to get a
sweet OEM license deal in return for killing OS/2 support here.
It never ceases to surprise me how many ancient terminals are secreted
away at work. On Saturday I found a Motorola EXORterm 155 which had been
put out for the skip. There is no keyboard unfortunately, just a ribbon
cable protruding from underneath the main body, which is about the size
of a VT52. It appears to date from 1980, but I have no clues about how
we used it.
Google doesn't turn up many references, apart from a 1997 listing of
Herr Franke's collection from our archives and a company called RA
Ventures, who developed it for Motorola.
So, any other info?
At 09:52 AM 4/13/02 -0500, pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote:
>Looks like I'm getting my DEC 5-letter scrambles confused. I don't
>remember what it was called, but it has a pair of AUIs on the back, DEC
>and its name on the front, and that's about it. Network bridge of some
>sort? I didn't see any other ports like a console or anything.
That's the DEBNT. (10 Megabit ethernet bridge).
-Rick
Hello,
I'm sorry if this is a double post; I didn't see my message when the digest
came out.
I put together a site with information and software for the Central Point
Deluxe Option Board and related things. If anyone is still looking for the
software, documentation, or whatnot, here's your chance. :)
http://dbz.icequake.net/oldskool/dob/
There is also some tidbits at the top that are requests for information on
various topics related to the Option Board; I'd appreciate it if anyone with
a board would take a second to look it over and see if they can help.
Thanks!
--
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|= system administration =|= computer science =|
Carl ---
That's close, but what I'm looking for clips around the rails, not
into the hole, which is round. This looks almost exactly like it, at the
bottom of the page...
"Palnut Multi-Thread U-Nut"
http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/retaining/palunut.html
..that's it, I think...
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> ----------
> From: Carl Lowenstein
>
> You would be happier with the type of fastener that uses real machine
> screws rather than the sheet-metal type screws that some racks have.
> There is a nice picture of them on the Tinnerman Web site at
>
> < http://www.tt-ec.com/showcase/nutbolt/nutretcat.html >
>
> Of course, now that I think of it, DEC used something like that.
> It was another brand of racks that used the sheet-metal screws.
>
> carl
> --
> carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
> clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
>
>
On April 15, Carlini, Antonio wrote:
> > Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
>
> Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called
> the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking
> name change (KD32->KA610) caused
> the confusion in the various docs, but
> I wasn't there and I don't know
> anyone who was.
Ahh, ok. I'd never heard the KA610 designation before.
I'm getting my old VAXstation-I back in a few days; I haven't seen
it for nearly ten years. A reunion! :-)
I've got a nice Emulex MSCP ESDI controller for it...now I need to
find a decent-sized (300MB-1GB) ESDI drive for it.
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
On April 15, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> Even on a MV II / KA630 the QBus is not the system bus. The QBus is
> attached through a bus bridge to the on board system bus. The console
> SLU, TOY clock, ... reside on this bus too. So, by this definition,
> no VAX is a QBus VAX. Hmmm. Maybe the MV I / KA610 can be a real QBus
> machine, as it uses QBus RAM.
Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
-Dave
--
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St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
> Isn't the MicroVAX-I CPU called "KD32"?
Sometimes. But then sometimes it's called
the KA610. I'm assuming a late-breaking
name change (KD32->KA610) caused
the confusion in the various docs, but
I wasn't there and I don't know
anyone who was.
Antonio
>If you could give me ANY information on who might deal in such
>vintage computer games, or even where I might look to try to find
>someone, that would be great. Any leads would be much appreciated.
>Thank you very much,
A few seconds with google produced
a possible C64= version (but I'm assuming
it's not an entirely legit site ...
http://www.c64.com/search.php?com=search_detail&search_year=1982)
The next few hits were similar looking sites
for Atari machines (just guessing from the
hostnames) and an auction with
what might be a relevant manual:
http://www.bidville.com/listings/index.cfm?category=416&listing=current&sort
by=date_desc&group=1
Surely *everyone* knows about search engines?
Antonio
> Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
The original poster may well be. The
responder isn't (you only have to read a
few of his posts ...) ... he's got the
right idea, he wants them for himself !
Antonio
>Has anyone seen this news posting?
Yes. Nothing particularly surprising
about it. I doubt that anyone would pay
very much for VAXen that old. It's
probably not worth a reseller's while
trying to make a business out of selling
them on ebay.
The only businesses that might be interested
are those that have such a machine in a
mission-critical environment and they want
one for spares or theirs just blew up and they
need a replacement *now*.
The only VAX 4000's that might sell would be
the very latest -705As and maybe a -700A.
VAX 7000's might sell too. Good luck
with anything older.
Why buy a VAX now when an Alpha can almost
certainly do the same job (for most jobs, that
is) and run rings around it too?
Now my point of view as a hobbyist, is
entirely different. I want *both* VAXes
and Alphas :-)
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]
> Isn't Geo Works the only legitamate choice? ISTR, that it's
Well, what do you consider legitimate? If you're talking about
"piracy" problems, no, minix is not only still available but
is also available now under a free-to-use license with source.
> been renamed
> and is still available with a lot of extra apps. I believe
> that a 286 is
> now the minimum requirement.
Exactly why I'd go with an older version ;) ... but you're right,
he could use the newer one, which is now called "New Deal Desktop."
(I like "Geo Works" better)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
Has anyone seen this news posting?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400
From: Bill Gunshannon
Organization: University of Scranton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello
> Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take
> VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and
> even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX.
And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them
on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be
taking up space in a landfill.
bill
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> From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com
>
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> > You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a gender bender and get
> > anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the
> > DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it.
>
> They have a bunch of these over at Purdue Salvage. I think I might grab
> one for 'fun'. Let me know if anyone else wants any. If not, is there
> anything 'useful' inside? If they aren't wanted by anyone, I'd rather
> scrap them for parts then see them in a landfill.
>
> -- Pat
>
Well, the shipping would probably be fairly cheap, since they don't
weight too much. Grab me one if they're free, I'd toss it in my DEC rack...
:)
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Yeah, I wonder what this Deane guy has exactly to get rid of...
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> ----------
> From: Dave McGuire
>
>
> Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup.
>
> -Dave
>
> On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> > Has anyone seen this news posting?
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400
> From: Bill Gunshannon
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take
> > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and
> > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX.
>
> And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them
> on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be
> taking up space in a landfill.
>
> bill
> --
> >
> > --- David A Woyciesjes
> > --- C & IS Support Specialist
> > --- Yale University Press
> > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
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> > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST
> 2001
> > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> >
>
> --
> Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
> St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
>
>
Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number
but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else
right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help
with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: TTL computing
>Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA
>development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended for
the
>2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series.
>
>Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series
bitstreams?
>
>Dick
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM
>Subject: Re: TTL computing
>
>
>> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>>
>>
>> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison?
>>
>>
>> OLD tools, as in dos based.
>>
>> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) 2064's,
>> don't
>> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series parts
>> (which,
>> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured out a
>> way to
>> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation"
>> software.
>> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software.
>>
>>
>> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased out
>> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago.
>>
>I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool based,
I
>think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O.
>>
>
>
A number of Compaq portables require special software to do the setup. I
don't remember if the SLT286 is one of them, but I emailed the guy directly
with a link to the SLT group on Yahoo (compaqslt(a)yahoogroups.com), where
someone should be able to help him out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:05 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: OP SYS SETUP
> >>WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286?
> >>IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1?
> >>I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!!
>
> >Alternatively, find
Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, ..
Does anybody know what the f he's asking about?
Is his machine broken?
Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it?
Is it the machine that he's writing with?
Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher
priority.
<I'm fighting back the temptation to reply in all caps with <b><i> s
all over the place....>
Tried Minix? It would probably really scream on that machine, being
a 286... If you belive that it had windows at one point, I'll assume
you have a hard drive (Minix doesn't require it, but it's nice to
have)
I have used Minix on a Leading Edge XT clone with 512k or RAM. It
runs perfectly well there. :)
Alternatively, find yourself a copy of Geo Works, which will like your
286 fine, and has a much better GUI than windows 95.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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-----Original Message-----
From: mikeykmc(a)hotmail.com [mailto:mikeykmc@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:58 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: OP SYS SETUP
WHERE CAN I FIND A FREE WIN OP SYS SETUP SOFTWARE FOR MY COMPAQ SLT286? IT ALREADY HAS DOS/WIN INSTALLED BUT I CANNOT ACCESS IT- WIN? WIN3.1? I DUUHHHH DUNNO....!!!
> From port-vax-owner-clowenst=ucsd.edu(a)netbsd.org Mon Apr 15 08:53 PDT 2002
> Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
> From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu>
> To: "NetBSD/Vax Mail List \(E-mail\)" <port-vax(a)netbsd.org>,
> "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org \(E-mail\)" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:00:59 -0400
>
> Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n
> heavy!
> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so
> you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> racks used the same thing.
> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
Tinnerman nuts. Google search returns 1350 hits.
carl
--
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clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu
Does anyone have the pinout for the db25 console port? Assuming that
the 25-pin bulkhead connector marked "Console" is a serial console port?
Also, I understand that a M8981-AA is a 2M board and a -BA is a 4M
board. How do I find out which? This one just shows M8981 with no
suffix, and "KDJ11-E CPU" on the processor side.
It is without a doubt the prettiest processor chip I've ever seen.
Doc, trying VERY hard not to brag or gloat.
On April 15, John Foust wrote:
> At 07:13 PM 4/14/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >However, how is it better than desoldering the LED on the card, soldering
> >a connector in its place, and running a couple of wires to the LED on the
> >front panel?
>
> Uhm, "better"? On this side of the pond, we usually go
> for "easy" or "well-marketed". :-)
Well, *some* of us do.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!"
St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill
> From: James B. DiGriz
>
> Dave McGuire wrote:
> > On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> >
> >> Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those
> >>clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails,
> so
> >>you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC
> >>racks used the same thing.
> >> And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave
> >>me funny looks.
> >> Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount
> >>sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called?
> >
> >
> > These are called "tinnerman clips" (not sure about the spelling).
> > Suppliers like Grainger or Newark Electronics will likely have them,
> > but don't expect them to be cheap...just a plain 19" rack from places
> > like this can run over $2000.
> >
> > I get mine from surplus dealers, usually attached to racks. :)
> >
> > -Dave
> >
>
>
> An auto parts store or auto body shop should have them. Look through the
> Dorman fastener assortments if nobody knows what you're talking about.
>
> jbdigriz
>
Thanks! And an auto store would probably have them at a better price
too...
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