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by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

If I understand it well, I could use one tabletop TK50-GA I have :-) That's right ? Oh, another more thing: Could I take one complete image of one backup tape to put it in a "virtual tape image" format ? I have one backup of Oracle for VMS (very old) and I'd like to recover it and mount under one simulator like SIMH or so. Greetings Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: "Greg Elkin" <beermat(a)bouncy-castle.demon.co.uk> Fecha: Martes, Abril 16, 2002 11:32 am Asunto: Re: Assorted goodies & TK Question > > Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to > work with > > any 'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something? > > > Yup, got a stripped one sat on a desk at the moment ; > TK50 (ver E4) from a different system > the SCSI-TK50 drive adaptor board from the (scrap) enclosure, set > to ID5 > PC AT PSU to drive the adapter board & TK50 drive > PC with Adaptec AHA1540CF, running DOS6.22 & Adaptecs DOS driver > (ASPI4DOS.SYS) loaded. > > Using the ST program (v1.1, by John Wilson) I can read & write > images from/to > TK50 catridges happily. > > I have the thing nekkid as I need to clean the TK50s head using a > Qtip with > IPA on every few tapes I play with as they get gunked up from > reading the old > tapes quite quickly. > > Now, if someone happens to have an image of the Mvax-II full > diagnostics that > could be usefull... > > > greg > >

23 years, 3 months

NEC V20 and Rainbow (was: NEC V-20 was: Native CP/M)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Lawrence wrote: > On the Rainbow I saw mention of either an EPROM mod (it's documented >according to www.old-computers.com) or choosing the OS on start-up. I can't >remember the boot-up choice on my 'bow and it's buried right now. Boot-up choice is made by telling the system which disk to boot from. But you don't get to that choice unless you modify the boot PROM (I think not EPROM) to account for the V20's faster (fewer cycles) execution of a timing loop. The modification is documented, I think it's in Rainbow News and I can dig it out in a couple weeks if anyone is interested. For purposes of the original thread, modifying a Rainbow is needless, because it already includes a Z-80 (4 MHz) in addition to the 8088 (4.mumble MHz), and will run Dec CP/M-80/86. It probably makes a pretty good platform for anyone wishing to cross-develop from MS-DOS (up to 3.10b) to CP/M. For hot-rodding purposes, the V-20 mod is recommended by Rainbow News as a good way to get more speed out of the Rainbow. - Mark

23 years, 3 months

More 11/750 PSU Qs

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

but it won't help with the current distribution problem. The PSU who's output after the diode drop is the highest voltage will end up sourcing all the current. Not what you really want. -tony Not quite, the forward volt drop of the diodes will even out the current between the individual units. Even shottky barrier diodes have a vf of >0.4v at the curents that would be involved. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 3 months

Assorted goodies & TK Question

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

Has anyone ever gotten a "TK50-Z" in a 'TK SCSI' encosure to work with any 'normal' scsi controller on a PC or something? I picked one up for a few $$ today, and just realized the enclosure has a 220V power supply... Also, how do I get the disk out of an RRD40 without a computer attached? If anyone's interested in this stuff, reply off-list: DEC RRD40. I don't have anything but the drive and whatever is stuck in the drive with the CD in it. In a 110V external enclosure. DEC TK50-Z. In a 220V external enclosure (IEC power connection) DEC RZ55. In a 220V external enclosure (same one as TK50-Z) DEC DEBET. 110V/220V switchable ethernet 'bridge' I think. PowerMac 6100/66 PowerMac 7100/66 PowerMac 7100/66 'chipped' to 80MHz - i don't know the specs off the top of my head for these, will have to look. mostly 250M-500M hard drive and 8M-24M of RAM Quadra 660av Quadra 610 Mac IIci Mac SE Sun SparcStation 1 - 40M RAM, 240M HDD, CG3 video Sun Sparc IPC - 40M RAM (IIRC, will check), NO HDD, builtin video 2xNCD 19r XTerm, upgraded memory. One with AUI/10B2, one with AUI/10BT. 2xIBM 3191 terminal (going on EBay if I cant find a buyer this time around) 2xApple //e, one with 128K and DuoDisk, one with 64K and single Disk ][. -- Pat

23 years, 3 months

Looking for a particular piece of hardware...

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically a 2-channel 80+Mbps Mylex RAID controller. Peace... Sridhar

23 years, 3 months

Looking for OS/2 software.

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically, I'm looking for Digitalk Parts Workbench for OS/2. Peace... Sridhar

23 years, 3 months

Kinda OT?: Looking for rackmount screw sets....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I just acquired a 5' x 3' x 2' IBM AS400 drive cabinet. F--n heavy! Now, to mount equipment in it, I need to find some more of those clip-on T-nut kinda things, which clip on around the hole in the rails, so you then use the supplies screws to mount your equipment. Some older DEC racks used the same thing. And, as you can guess, the guys at the local Home Depot just gave me funny looks. Anybody know where I can get a dozen or two of these screw mount sets? For a reasonable price? And what are they called? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 3 months

simh V2.9

by dittman＠dittman.net

I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 3 months

HP 13215A (Power supply) Info Needed

by ngallaher＠deepthought.org

I recently acquired an HP 13215A PS (power supply for a 7900A Disk Drive) from the local university (they junked an entire system and sold it for scrap piecewise). I can see that one of the terminal strips is labled with the output voltages (I assume) but other than that, I have no idea what this unit provides or requires. I would like to use this PS to power a FC array I have, but I don't know how to energize the PS, nor do I know the current ratings. Thanks, Nathan Gallaher

23 years, 3 months

TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yep, and old and well known program. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >Well Palasm4 v1.5 is the last version of that, and I use it all the time. It >was still a freebie on the LATTICE website last time I looked. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:39 PM >Subject: Re: TTL computing > > >> Entirely likely, I did get a lot of stuff from MMI over the years >> and some of the other related companies. I still have and use >> PALASM and PALASM90. >> >> Allison >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> >> >It may, in fact be about the same as my old version. I got mine from >> MMI back >> >when THEY were the ones pushing FPGA technology. >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:13 AM >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing >> > >> > >> >> Xact, and older, much older version. I'd get the version number >> >> but the termcap file is OTL and I'm working on something else >> >> right now. That and a few bits provided by Tim olmstead to help >> >> with simulation. He was the one that got me into using them. >> >> >> >> >> >> Allison >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >> Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:46 PM >> >> Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> >> >> >> >> >Do these tools have names, Allison? My old DOS-based tool for FPGA >> >> >development, from MMI, was called XACT, and that's what was intended >> for >> >> the >> >> >2000-series devices. A later version supported the 3000 series. >> >> > >> >> >Which tools do you use for developing both 2000 and 3000-series >> >> bitstreams? >> >> > >> >> >Dick >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >> >> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:28 PM >> >> >Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Which tools are you referring to, Allison? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OLD tools, as in dos based. >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've found that the tools I once used with the old (pre-1990) >> 2064's, >> >> >> don't >> >> >> >work with the 3000-series, and, though I have some 3000-series >> parts >> >> >> (which, >> >> >> >back when I bought them, cost about $200 each) I've not figured >> out a >> >> >> way to >> >> >> >program them using the old XACT or the more recent "Foundation" >> >> >> software. >> >> >> >They clearly are no longer supported with current software. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Neither have I. I also have the Synario package too. They phased >> out >> >> >> the tools for the 2064s a long time ago. >> >> >> >> >> >I have Synario for the Atmel devices. It's a Windows-based tool >> based, >> >> I >> >> >think, on a tool set originally cooked up by Data I/O. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >

23 years, 3 months

DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> They are? I'm pretty sure I used a DEQNA cabinet kit with a > DELQA on a MVII for years. It would also help explain why I've got 2 DELQA's without cab kits, and an extra DEQNA Cab Kit. On a positive note, the VAXstation II/RC I stole the DEQNA from needs a DELQA if I ever get it running and the PDP-11/23+ can make do with a DEQNA. Zane

23 years, 3 months

DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Doc wrote: > > > I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and > > > DELQA interchangable? > > > > In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change > > to reflect the card change on the other side. > > Even though the pinouts are quite different? I have used unmodified DEQNA cab kits on DELQAs with good results...how do the pinouts differ? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

23 years, 3 months

OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Chris, I'm going to try BOCHS. I'll report what I find...... - Matt At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > > when I wasn't > > > busy with work...... > > > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > > yourself a copy of > > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > > with OS/2. :) > >Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with >that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand >information. > >Chris > > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 3 months

OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > when I wasn't > > busy with work...... > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > yourself a copy of > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > with OS/2. :) Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand information. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> >> If you buy a moderately cheap CPLD, e.g. the XILINX 95108, in a PLCC84, it >> costs about $20-30 U.S. at DigiKey. Combine that with a socket, ($4 tops) and >> a few wirewrap socket pins, ($.10 each) that's another $8.40. Now find a >> cheap wirewrap board to which you can solder ... and then use the free >> software and build the ~$5 ISP adapter. >Has anybody done that? I've done this with other similar packaged devices and it flies. >I have a nice FPGA prototype kit, (altera) but I am having problems >getting A PROM for it. I may go to using smaller chips like the XC-9572 >(72 macro cells) ? $12 canadian. They don't make wire wrap PLCC sockets What prom are you looking for? I'm still playing with some 2064s and 3030s and 3050s, yes they are old but the tools were free, the parts cheap and easy to load up with a 2816/64. Allison

23 years, 3 months

FWD: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. > > .sig dibs! Heh, go for it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

23 years, 3 months

The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably > > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. > > > Hmm, can I place an advance order? > > I do hope you're referring to the *computer*. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

23 years, 3 months

More 11/750 PSU Qs

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>> I was wondering if any of you know of a good power supply rebuilders in >> the UK? > >Never needed one ;-) I hear the sound of a volunteer :-) >> order a new industrial PSU to supply these voltages/currents (plus > >Well, I'd rather keep the machine as original as possible (if only to >make repairs easier in the future), not to mention the cost of a custom PSU This machine used to at least power up without exploding at least two owner's ago. It seems to be the same machine reported as having a 2.5V REGFAIL about four years ago ... so it's not been powered off for a *really* log time. OTOH, the PSU blocks do need to be plugged back in correctly otherwise something *will* go phut very loudly. I'll go read the printset as soon as I dig it out, it may have details of what goes where. >NO!. SMPSUs do not like being run in parallel (unless designed to be used >like that). One PSU will end up attempting to supply all the current and >the other PSUs may not like having voltages applied to their outputs. And once the first one drops dead, the next most "powerful" one repeats the process. Proof by "induction" left as an exercise :-) Antonio

23 years, 3 months

OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Guys, Anyone have any luck running OS/2 under an emulator on Windows 2000? Just wondering. I tried installing OS/2 Warp 3 on my copy of VMWare 3, and it (VMWare) got mad and won't allow it to install. The web site says VMWare will not (and has no intention of) support OS/2. I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop when I wasn't busy with work...... Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 3 months

OP SYS SETUP

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Before we get into arguing about "better" configurations, .. > Does anybody know what the f he's asking about? > Is his machine broken? > Is it working perfectly, but he doesn't know how to "access" it? I assumed he was asking for free system software to use with it since he for some reason couldn't get the original installation of windows to work. Hence my original answer, but you're right, it's incredibly ambiguous. :) > Is it the machine that he's writing with? > Perhaps fixing the shift key on his active machine should be a higher > priority. Indeed. I suppose it could be worse -- his message could have read: PLZ SEND ALL CODES!!!! Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

One assumes all the producs of corrosion are salts . Some however will be oxides and van be very conductive. I've also seen new boards contaiminated with fungal materal {assembled and washed in old mehieco} that had all manner of seemingly intermittent problems until rewashed in clean water and dried. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Sridhar the POWERful <vance(a)ikickass.org> To: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices??? >On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Doc Shipley wrote: > >> > The salts that are the endproduct of corrosion usually aren't conductors, >> > but that wouldn't prevent them from interfering with the operation of the >> > board. >> >> Well, something's interfering. I get a persistent B_CACHE failure on >> startup. > >It might be something like corrosion int the middle of a contact, if you >have any socketed chips. Or omsething like that. > >Peace... Sridhar >

23 years, 3 months

DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:32:05 -0700 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Subject: DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and > DELQA interchangable? In one word, yes. Of course the little label on the panel won't change to reflect the card change on the other side. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

23 years, 3 months

PDP-11/93 Console Pinout and model rev.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > Amazingly enough, you can do this with the *nix mkisofs program by > specifying the files to burn on its command line. The order that you > type them is the order that they get put into the ISO image IIRC. > Amazing how easy stuff becomes when you drop Windoze :) I _suppose_ you could port mkisofs to NT if you like... ;) Honestly, I wouldn't trust even the most stable version of windows (that would be NT 3.51...) to burn CDs for me. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

TTL computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

RE: 2114s Over the years i'd seen A higher than normal {2102 as comparison} failure rate. So I had the opportunity to do some checking on why. NOTE: the 2114 never had as good a failure rate as say 2102 or other 1k designs and the next generation of 16k static parts were substantially different with better failure rates. 2114s common failures: Delayed stress damage due to ESD. Common failures are address inputs. Missing bit, usually a failed output due to either ESD or excessive IO loading. bond failures (works when hot or cold) most of those are plastic cases and likely due to cleaners causing internal plastics to expand and lift a bond {usually during board production}. Other likely causes, heat! Ceramic devices seems and generally were more reliable. The CMOS versions 6114 (nec D444) were more relaible, though ESD induced stress failures were a major factor. In the early 80s it was not uncommon to visit a site and NOT see proper ESD protocal used when handeling MOS or CMOS devices. In most cases getting the production people using would often see a substantial drop in early failures{infant mortality}. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: TTL computing >> >> That doesn't seem to me as a failure of the 2114, but, more likely, a failure >> in the update logic in the refresh memory circuit, possibly in a buffer enable > >I was about to point out that the 2114 is an SRAM and doesn't need >refeshing, but then I realised you were talking about the video refresh >circuitry. > >> or a shortage of hold timing on the data with respect to the write line. >> What, exactly, do you mean by "dud" character? If it appears exactly in the >> middle of a 2Kx8 memory array, it could, indeed be a stuck bit, and if it runs >> from the middle to the top/bottom that would be a candidate for a failed >> memory bit also. If, however, it moves horizontally, or moves outside the >> range residing in a single device, it's clearly something else. Have you >> tried moving the device around in the video memory array? It seems to me that > >Last time I had a problem with a 2114 in a video RAM array, it appeared >that the RAM had lost an address input. Writing a character to a location >in RAM would affect the top 4 bits (IIRC) of a character 2 locations >away (or something like that). It was clearly the RAM because swapping it >over with the one next to it caused the fault to move to the bottom 4 >bits. And a new RAM cured the problem. > >> there have to be at least two of them, and the "dud" character, whatever that >> is, should follow the device. >> >> 2114's are just about as plentiful as any device of the era could be. You >> should not have a problem replacing it. I don't know what the problems of >> sending hardware from the U.S. to the U.K. are, but I'm willing to send you a > >Very few AFAIK. I don't think I've ever had a parcel declared as >'obsolete computer parts' even inspected by customs. Of course this might >have changed now with the increased risk of terrorism (although we've had >terrorist activity for years over here :-(). > >One tip I was once told. Pack chips in transparent anti-static bags (and >put an anti-static warning label on them. Customs officers are not >totally clueless and won't open such a bag if they can clearly see what's >inside (and provided the contents are what they're supposed to be, like >'computer parts' (chips)). But if you pack the chips in an opaque bag, >they might open it (to ensure it doesn't contain drugs, say), and might >not know how to handle the chips without damaging them. > >-tony

23 years, 3 months

list server computer hardware will change

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Would this improve the ~1 hour time it takes for me to see the messages that I post to this list? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: John Boffemmyer IV > > Jay, I've worked with Endymion's MailMan 3 - great setup and very > flexible. > You will really like it once you have it in place. Plus, you can even > customize all of the buttons/images, etc. This way, if you don't like that > > default layout, in a few minutes, you can have it look any way you want. > It > also allows for integration of images into posts, etc. for realistically > handling the common need to include an image or two of whatever is being > discussed (IE: RS6000 board specs/traces, C64 diagram, etc.). > - John Boffemmyer IV > > At 12:42 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > >Greetings; > >...... > >In order to address the previously discussed issues of [offlist] tags and > >html rejection, as well as because of a lot of other nifty features, I'm > >also considering using mailman. It gives a wonderfull web interface for > >those that want to do their subscribes/unsubscribes & the like on their > own. > >Yes, it still supports email subscribtion requestions. Basically, it > gives > >me a lot of flexibility and options that majordomo doesn't. Not sure > about > >this all yet. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Jay West >

23 years, 3 months

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