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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote: > What Chris said said it best. I don't know her. She may or may appreciate > the attempt at humor that seemingly has run a little long. I know very few > women who are designers. And I know *alot* of designers. I'd hate to see > someone get turned away because of perceived attitudes. That would be beyond terrible, yes. > By my take it should have ended about the comment that was something to > effect of "Clone Jeri or the Commodore-1?". Fair enough. > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, besides being an > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is that some don't > know when to let something end. ...and some don't know when to relax. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > Next, can anyone tell me why, after booting into single user mode, > and changing the root password with 'nu -m' I might still be > refused a login next time I boot? ... > A) It's getting another password from somewhere and overwriting the > one I put in? (I hope not.. :) It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well, that might be the problem. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > > So, why don't you use a real mail client...? > > ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me > using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but > they really hate for people to put any software on their system > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are > even more broken than usual. Oh, ouch... :-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. > > Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't > know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of > this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it. > > That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and > continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this > is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in > many different social settings. It certainly does, though it seems to be worse in this industry. I've worked with many women in this business (indeed, the most talented programmer I've ever worked with is female)...the vast majority take stuff like this in the way it is intended (humorous and not disrespectful) and laugh about it, while a couple get offended. Those who take offense, well, us guys probably shouldn't say things like that to (or about) them...though I believe they need to relax a bit and find something different to get up-in-arms about. Now, if it interferes with the career progress or professional respect of the person in question, that's a WHOLE different story...that is wholly unacceptable and must not be tolerated. This is a JOKE, it is FUN, and the moment it steps beyond that (for either party) it needs to stop. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002; Enrico Badella <enrico.badella(a)softstar.it> wrote: Re: cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices??? > I ve this nice question for all of you... what are the best ways to > cure boxes that were out exposed to the weather for an unknown amount > of time. > Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco > MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300 > and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the > moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven > at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time. I've seen both done. A few years back, a tree fell into the back of my garage. The main hole in the roof was directly over and IBM workstation and its 19" monitor. Many gallons of water funneled down through that hole and into the monitor. In addition to the water, there was the the gravel off the roof shingles as well as small pieces of tree branches, leaves, and bark that got into the monitor. Since the priority was the garage, the machine and monitor got moved to the barn where they sat for almost a year. That meant they went through a fall, winter and spring before I dealt with them again. Since the insurance covered the workstation, I decided to just not mess with it. With full knowledge of what had happened, a friend of mine said he would like to have it. I gave it to him and after a little clean up he gave it the 'magic smoke' test. AFAIK, he is still using the machine. OTOH, I used to work for a Federal agency and they had a supply depot & repair facility. I toured it once and watched them dunk a 100 watt UHF tube type transmitter into a tank of cleaning solution. They then put it into a huge oven for a period of time. I have no idea for how long nor at what temperature, but the units went back out into the field and worked fine. Mike

24 years

CDROMs and RT-11

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I suspect that I have found a way to set-up a dual file structure CD for RT-11. It would initially be started under Windows 98, although that is not required. I have yet to actually test my concept in practice since I don't think I have the required hardware on my Windows 98 system and I don't have a working CDROM on my real PDP-11. However, in principle I don't see why it will not work based on the information I have been able to gather during the last couple of months since I acquired a CD-RW CDROM drive. If you are interested, please contact me and I will write a full report. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

24 years

Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 program >preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at I think you'll find he's running a much older version of BSD called W98 : Someone seems to have kindly backported MD5 to that platform: http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/freeware/console/ Antonio

24 years

The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the orders. I'd probably > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. Hmm, can I place an advance order? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

24 years

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Dave McGuire > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > -Dave > > -- > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years

Edge of OT: Quotes [was: FWD: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Cameron Kaiser > > > Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. > > .sig dibs! > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. -- Dave McGuire > --------- > > Well, the way I like it is... "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." I don't know who the author is, but this web page seems to say that it was derived from J.R.R. Tolkien.. http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/m/meddle.htm ... which leads to... http://ftp.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/u/unix.htm ...which brings it back around to being on topic, I hope :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

24 years

cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > > Using a small area of the board where you could correct any damage > > that this substance might cause, try a little CLR... it's a mixture > > sold throughout the midwest (U.S.) that dissolves Calcium, Lime, and > > Rust deposits. Phosphoric acid is one of its components... so be real > > careful. I've never used it on PC boards before, but it can't be beaten > > for removing corrosion off metal parts. > > I've thought about picking some CLR up, but don't really have a current > use for it. You mention that it will remove corrosion, does that include rust? I use CLR for: * cleaning the coffeepot (rinse with vinegar afterward) * decalcifying the showerhead * removing rust from nuts, bolts, etc. hardware. * removing rust stains from the clothes washer * making copper pennies be shiny again As others mention, after you clean rust off metal, it will begin to rust almost immediately. I usually use a lubricant made by BG Industries called 'HK' afterward, to prevent corrossion, but sometimes settle for WD-40. If you leave ferrous metals in too long, some ionization process starts to leave a dark film on the parts. It looks ugly, but so far, those parts don't further rust (but the dark film looks like corrosion itself though I don't think it is). hth, -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

24 years

DELQA/DEQNA Cab Kits question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I should know this, but can't remember, are the Cab Kits for the DEQNA and DELQA interchangable? I was up in storage today and I seem to have more DEQNA Cab Kits than DEQNA's and the only DEQNA I could find was in a system, and I've got two DELQA's and no DELQA Cab Kits. On a possitive note, the Palm Pilot "Field Guide" I asked about last weekend came in very handy as I couldn't remember what boards I had (and of course my inventory list was at home). I ended up bringing home a lot more than I planned on as I found a couple of cool boards :^) Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

24 years

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Christopher Smith wrote: > Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail > client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/ So, why don't you use a real mail client...? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > [mailto:pat@cart-server.purdueriots.com] > I know some people aren't great typists or use funky (eg. > Outlook) email > clients, but to me it helps make the message much more readable. Sorry -- I, for one, would jump at the chance to use a real mail client. It would keep me from having to wrap my own lines (!) :/ Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Assorted goodies & TK Question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] > I've no idea how easy it would be, I've never tried to take > my drive apart. > As for making a 'sleave', I don't think you could without one > to go by (even > then I'm not sure). The worst part is the caddies for this > drive are rare > as hens teeth! Well, I haven't tried taking it apart either, but it may be worth mentioning specifically that when you put the clear "sleeve" back into the drive, it almost certainly releases some kind of catch which allows it to lock onto the "cd-holding-insert-thing" and pull the whole thing back out. I would try to find that catch, which is most likely off to the one side or the other (just a guess, since that's probably where I'd put it...), or directly above or below the disk. (like built into the spindle that turns the CD somehow...) If you can get to it, and release it, you ought to be able to pull the disc out. Otherwise, yes, the caddies are kind of difficult to find, but I have two (one for each drive), so you can probably get them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > It took a week of trying, but I have finally downloaded all three CD > images for RSX-11 and RT-11 from: > ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ > Note also that the file MD5SUMS seems to contain checksum > values, but I don't know how to use these values or produce them > myself to check if my files are correct. Can anyone help? $ cat > /tmp/foo blah ^D $ md5 /tmp/foo MD5 (/tmp/foo) = 0d599f0ec05cebda8c3b8a68c32a1b47 $ Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 program preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/. See http://www.cert.org/security-improvement/implementations/i002.01.html for more information. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

The CommodoreOne is near!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Got a little humor impairment problem there, John? -Dave On April 16, John Chris Wren wrote: > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. > > --John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle > > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:45 AM > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: The CommodoreOne is near! > > > > > > > > > > I'd say the biggest problem will be filling all the > > orders. I'd probably > > > > > > be looking for a contract manufacturer in her place. > > > > > > > > Give her time ... Cloning is not quite up to speed yet. > > > > > > > Hmm, can I place an advance order? > > > > > > I do hope you're referring to the *computer*. > > > > > Well that depends. Does the computer come with a Life-Like(tm) Jeri doll? > > *GD&R* > > > > > > g. > > > > > > -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years

VAX-11/785 available, act immediately (fwd)

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I saw this on another list, thought there might be interest here. On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > Subj: Vax 11/785 > Date: 4/15/2002 10:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: PPSJM(a)prodigy.net > > Hello, > > I just wanted to throw this out and see if anybody has any interest. > We have an opportunity to pick up a complete VAX11/785. > With all the boards in it, it's actually worth a decent amount as scrap > metal. It is currently queued for the scrap heap. > I would buy it and resell it if anyone has an interest. I guess if > anyone is interested make me an offer and I'll see if it's worth it for > me to pick it up.

24 years

simh V2.9-5

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I just downloaded and built simh V2.9. I was able to boot the > RA90 disk image I created for Charon-VAX. No timeout, full Just to be nit-picky, that would be V2.9-5. > source, with Ethernet support coming. There's supposed to > be a couple of bugs, but I haven't found them yet. Ethernet is coming?!?! When? I could really use ethernet support for the PDP-11 version of SIMH! BTW, how does the speed of the VAX version compare to real hardware? Zane

24 years

HP old computer

by mcap＠ns.sympatico.ca

I am looking for the specs for a Hewlett Packard Vectra Vi series 4 5/90 computer. Someone gave me this machine which works fine however getting the darn thing open so I can install a cd rom is another matter. Its like a vault or something. If anyone can find specs for this computer could you please email me the URL to fenwick(a)ns.sympatico.ca Thank you Robb Fenwick

24 years

Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing weighs in at almost 80 pounds. Things inside are pretty bad but I would like to try and get it looking nice again, since the boards inside are damaged I do not think I can get it to work again. Does anyone on the list have repair manual for this model? I would like to see how he belts go around the pulleys inside the case. Thanks

24 years

BIE model 4410

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

Does anyone know what this is or want it? It looks somewhat collectable... I'm asking $25 for it, that's how much it'll cost me for the switches and LEDs if I build my own frontpanel instead of re-use this one's. Here's a description, pictures to appear soon on http://purdueriots.com/imgs/ called bie*.jpg >From the date on the back, it looks to have been purchased in '78 or '79. It's a 6800 based system that I picked up at Purdue Salvage for a couple $$. It has 3 IO cards each with a 6821 on it, a MPU card with a 6800, a ROM card, a front-panel card and some other card with (i believe) RAM of some sort on it (chips are Intel P5101L's 22pin DIPs). Front panel has 24 toggle switches w/LEDs (persumably for the IO), a 6digit 7seg display labeled TIME, 7seg labeled FAULT and a pair of 7seg's labeled STEP. On the right, a 2x6 matrix of pushbuttons labelled 0-9 and a pair labeled "S". Next to that, a 2x6 matrix of PBs with LEDs next to them, labeled: STEP BRANCH STEP NO. PROG. START INST. TIME ABORT MASK OUTPUT ABORT ON/OFF INPUT MASK ABORT STEP NO. INPUT ON/OFF CLEAR STEP Along the bottom, there's a row of switches, left to rigth: POWER: Red push-on push-off square switch AUTO/MANUAL: SPST keyswitch EXAM LOAD/RUN: SPST keyswitch PROGRAM: Set of four 'interlocked' buttons (only one is set at a time) 1-4 START: momentary PB RUN, HOLD: interlocked PB's JOG: momentary PB RESET: FAULT, SYST: momentary PB, ALARM: push-on/push-off ABORT: momentary PB The case is rackmount, about 5U or 6U. On the back: 50pin "Amphenol" scsi-style connector. Connected to three IO cards. Power inlet, outlet, fuse SONALERT beeper.

24 years

cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > Last week I managed to get my hands on 2 vaxstations 4000/60, a Cisco > > MGS, a HP Apollo 700 workstation, Sun Sparcstation 20 (WOW), a VAX 4000-300 > > and a Panasonic 7330. All have varying degree of dampness 8-((. At the > > moment I have them in house dry and warm... should I stuff them in the oven > > at low temperature and force a drying or best let them settle for some time. > > I would carefully rinse them off, taking care not to soak anything that > would be damaged by water. Then I would pat dry with a paper towel and > let dry. I wouldn't stick anything electronic in the oven. Actually it works quite well, at *low* temperatures. Electric ovens work best for this since gas ovens produce tons of moisture. Trouble is, many ovens can't go low enough (~200F or so). I've had good results from sitting stuff atop floor-mounted heater vents in the winter. This obviously works best when the equipment in question has air vents. Over the past ten years or so, I have gotten a *large* quantity of equipment (literally hundreds of computers) that has been out in the rain, sometimes for months. Some of it I use daily even now. Computer stuff (except for floppy and hard drives) tends to deal with it fine, even monitors. Analog stuff like test equipment tends not to fare so well, nor does mechanical stuff like scanners (though my main scanner was indeed out in the rain for about a week; after a little TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

24 years

cure equiepement that was in the rain... best practices???

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 15, Doc wrote: > > TLC it performs flawlessly). The water doesn't seem to do any harm at > > all, even with long-term exposure...it's the crap that the water can > > carry into the equipment, and sometimes corrosion later on. > > So what can you do with accumulated mineal salts around component > legs? Looks like tin "rust". I tried firm-but-gentle with a stiff > toothbrush, and didn't get anywhere. > I have that MV3100-90 board that I think just needs the corrosion, > which I suspect is conductive, removed. I use Alconox, a trisodium phosphate based cleaner that's very effective. I have a big pile of acid brushes...those little pencil-sized brushes that go for about a dime a dozen. I think they came from MSC, but I don't recall for sure. Their bristles are about 1" long by default, but you can easily trim them down to make them much stiffer. They're good for scrubbing stuff like that...similar to a toothbrush but easier to deal with. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

24 years

Classic monochrome phosphors?

by dbp＠phosphor-technology.com

Hi, The phosphor compositions are not secret, only the way they are made! The old monochrome green P39 is made of Zinc Silicate activated with Manganese and a trace of Arsenic to extend the persistence,(Zn2SiO4:Mn:As) which is the main difference between that and P1 (Zn2SiO4:Mn). The old monochrome orange "LA" phosphor is made of Cadmium Chlorophosphate activated with Manganese (Cd5(PO4)3.Cl:Mn). There are not always equivalents between the two codes. We stopped making LA phosphor for the far eastern market in the mid 90's because of environmental issues and the rise of colour monitors. I hope this helps David Pendrill Head of Research and Development. Phosphor Technology

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