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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Mmmm, Windows user. Crunchy and good with ketchup. -Dave On April 15, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Has anyone seen this news posting? > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Goodbye VAX hello ALpha Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:13 -0400 From: Bill Gunshannon Organization: University of Scranton Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec References: <3Hmt8.2238$GS6.168438(a)bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Deane Williams <dwilliams296(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Hello > Just wondering is there a reseller/company that will take > VAXes in trade for Alphas?? I'm talking about 3100s and > even some 4000/XXX and 36/38XX series VAX. And after they get done rolling onthe floor laughing you could put them on a truck and send them up here. I can at least promise they won't be taking up space in a landfill. bill -- > > --- David A Woyciesjes > --- C & IS Support Specialist > --- Yale University Press > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu > --- (203) 432-0953 > --- ICQ # - 905818 > Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 > Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > -- Dave McGuire "Hush and eat your vegetables, young lady!" St. Petersburg, FL - Mr. Bill

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people > would use them vice UPS. Thankfully the SGI Indigo2 and 19" monitor> I was waiting on arrived today by UPS and appears to have come > through the ordeal at least physically intact. Don't count on FedEx either. My Indigo2 and monitor each came in large and small pieces. :/ FedEx Ground in St Louis. -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

23 years, 3 months

ForSale: WangTek tape drive...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Wangtek tape drive - Model No. 5150EQ - Assy No. 30551-20B Rev.G Wangtek ISA controller card & ribbon cable - Assy. No. 30475 Rev. C1 10 tapes (5 still in plastic!) - Global G6150 (DC6150 compatible) - I'll answer any queries about the chips on the adapter... - I haven't had a chance to hook it up and try it yet. - Best bid received in 48 hours (5:00pm Thursday, Eastern Time) takes it all. - Considering the weight of the tapes, shipping (from New Haven, CT) will likely cost around $10. - I can easily ship via UPS Ground (my personal preference), or I can do USPS... - I prefer PayPal, but I'll accept Money Order, or cash if you pick it up in person. *** More goodies to come as I clean out & organize the computer room in my house! (Won't my wife be so proud of me! :) - Would it be better to put up a little web page listing the other items I'll be selling, instead of a message like this? Or is this (the 'ForSale:' subject line) okay? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 3 months

Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from TimShoppa

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Jerome Fine replies: > > Add one more "m" to your "Hmm" and it will be the same response > that Hasimir Fenring manages to use in the Dune series. > > Seriously, I don't want to have to maintain my own internet system > since I am much more interested in RT-11. Also, since Ersatz-11 > runs under DOS/W95/W98, the W98 (Yeck) environment has become > a default last resort. Are/were you an Ersatz-11 beta tester, or are you rich? I thought it cost US$3K. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > From: Dave McGuire > > > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with > the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen > anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you in the eye. OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about it, too... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I think I mentioned it before relative to UPS but I once shipped a 19" monitor > from here (California) to Virginia IICRC. The monitor made it fine to the guys > driveway (He was watching as the UPS driver pulled up) > > It was being kicked off the back of the UPS truck onto the asphalt driveway > that destroyed the monitor. Pretty hard to pack anything (thats big or heavy) > to withstand that... Yup, I'd be in prison now for beating the UPS driver within an inch of his life.... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > First off -- can somebody explain the common problem with the > >> monitors going dim? Can I fix it? (How?) Is there an internal > >> "intensity" pot that I can adjust to get more life out of the > >> monitor? It is just bright enough not to strain your eyes at > >> the highest brightness setting right now... (It's B&W) > > > >I have always assumed that the electrons just kick the sh*t > >out of the phosphor, and the the phosphor just dies... but I > >hope that's wrong, and that something can indeed be adjusted > >or replaced (other than the daggone tube itself). > > The above basically sums it up. Those early B/W NeXT mono > monitors have very short lifespans. Couple that with not being able > to turn off the monitor seperately from the computer and you > can then see why most of them are pretty dim. This comes up on > Usenet quite a bit still. Once they're dim, they're dim. Don't got no Next stuff, but I figured whatever was true of them would be true of my Apollo (&HP) monitors... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

Huge Nortel Web Auction this week.

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Just ran across this in the Montreal Gazette. Nortel Networks Corp. has put up for auction untold millions of dollars worth of computers, test equipment, office phone systems, photocopiers and tool kits it once used in St. Laurent and Florida to build Internet equipment for which demand has evaporated. The auction will be Webcast - on http://www.dovebid.com - Thursday and Friday, starting at 9 a.m. A Montreal-area preview day tomorrow will allow potential buyers to physically examine the local assets, not just massive quantities of high-end electronic gear but also fork-lift trucks, heaters, air-compressors and more than 230 Dell laptop computers, PCs and servers. Nortel is conducting a similar preview day at another plant in Boca Raton, Fla. The St. Laurent plant builds Internet transmission equipment and had 6,000 people on its payroll in mid-2000, a figure Quigley estimated has been cut in half. Its gates, on the south side of the Trans-Canada Highway, will be open between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. "Please watch for auction signs," DoveBid's Web site instructs out-of-town buyers coming to see for themselves. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

OS/2 running under VMWare, or other emulator for Windoze

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

BOCHS won't even start on my Win2K laptop. Blows immediately with illegal opcodes. Oh well.... moving on...... - Matt At 04:36 PM 4/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com > > > > I was hoping to find a way to run trusty OS/2 on my laptop > > when I wasn't > > > busy with work...... > > > They stopped trying to support it in the 2.x days. I got Warp 3 to > > partially boot, but that's all IIRC. I'd say go find > > yourself a copy of > > partition magic (or fips) and dual-boot if you want to play > > with OS/2. :) > >Will BOCHS run on that version of windows? You may have a chance with >that too -- I've heard that it would boot OS/2, but that's second hand >information. > >Chris > > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I dunno, I think shipping UPS to a business address versus a residential address may have some effect, not sure.. I hate Fedex ground, they like to deliver my company's packages to Lewan & Assosciates, an office product-type company down the street from us. Gah! Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

23 years, 3 months

NEC V20 and Rainbow (was: NEC V-20 was: Native CP/M)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Lawrence Walker <lgwalker(a)mts.net> To: Mark Tapley <mtapley(a)swri.edu>; classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> I would be interested in seeing the mod documentation when you find it. I keep hoping I'll find a cheap stash of V-20s to use on about 3 or 4 of my boxes, altho they come up fairly reasonable on EPay from time to time. Hows the Stylewriter project going ? Lawrence What do you call cheap. They are commonly available from JDR and other for around $10 for the V20-10, and $9 for the -8{8mhz} version. Allison

23 years, 3 months

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002 > > because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply, > > and because it is not that offensive. > Your point is? Let me take a guess: you feel that your time is more > important than anyone else's time, disk space and bandwidth. As to it I don't have any say over anyone else's time, but I certainly do my best not to take much of it. If I can save them 20 minutes of work, at the expense of reading a poorly formatted email, why not offer the choice? As for disk space, you'll note (I hope) that even the most terribly formatted of my posts usually have all of the cruft clipped out of them. In addition you'll note that (yes, as a courtesy to anyone who might be reading) I tend to strip out other peoples' formatting mistakes when I reply too. My point is that even though I usually do these things, and even though I probably put more work into it than most other people due to this piece of microsoft trash that I'm using as a mail client, I don't agree that these rules ought to be enforced short of using social pressure when it's appropriate. Did you really not get that from my last post? (I'm not being condescending here, I'm really curious as to whether I missed the mark in trying to lay that out...) > not being offensive, let's just say that there are people in this > world who don't bathe or use deodorants who don't think they're > offensive to others. Indeed, and I generally wouldn't associate with them for the health of my own nose. If a poorly formatted post is that offensive to you, then certainly you're welcome to not read it, and you will either gain time, or lose one of a number of other things because of it. I won't say that it's right or wrong. > For many years most Usenet posts and e-mail did follow such rules, Most still do, at least the ones that I read. Some don't, and of those, most have no good reason not to -- I'll grant that. I still believe that because exceptions to that rule exist, enforcement of the rule ought to take that into account. > then, the 'net became "popular;" the world wasn't perfect back then > either, but most users of the 'net at that time were more likely to be > more intelligent, or at least better educated, than the average > person running loose in our society. It's a shame that's not the case any more, certainly. So how about that classic cmp UUCP network? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Quothe Christopher Smith, from writings of Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:48:39AM -0500: > > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > > Alas, it's illegal to properly fix such problems with an appropriate > LART. > > > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > > Why play by their rules? The more who do, the worse the problem will > become for all of us. Let the biz'droid lusers know that their > software is broken and that they need to pay an appropriate > professional to fix their minds as well. Dang, RD, I was ready to quote your reply to Marvin with a big uppercase DITTO MAN!, then you go and say something like this... Gotta respect ya, you sure don't mince words... OTOH, when we bought those 25 Dells at Christmas, I drew the line on new software; we got Win 2000, not Win XP, and I tried like hell to get Office 2000 instead of Office XP, even to the point of trying to get TPTB buy Office 2000 at a local Marketpro show. But they like that one-stop shopping... -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote: > He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; > with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing > a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those > guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you > in the eye. > > OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package > and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. All residential deliveries...but as far as being on the receiving end, I work from home and usually see the driver in person, and I *always* establish a relationship with the drivers for all the services that deliver packages to my house. > But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, > and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful > they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about > it, too... Fear. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

23 years, 3 months

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Then I guess you will have to deal with people like myself > reformatting > your emails when replying. I personally can't stand to see an > email thread > with mostly proper quoting where someone replies at the top. > Several email > lists I'm on have an enforced rule that email must be quoted > and threaded > properly. That's all good and everything, but I'm certain I'd have reservations about subscribing to a mailing list that enforced it. It so happens that it's quite a bit of extra effort for me to re-format mail so that it looks acceptable, and should I not have the time, yes, I will reply in a form closer to what this piece of $(*& mail client tries to shove down my throat -- I do that both because I just don't have the time to write a well-formatted reply, and because it is not that offensive. HTML is a different story, since most sane people, given a choice of mail readers, would pick one that won't display it. On the other hand, that can be stripped out automatically, leaving no trouble for the people on either end of the conversation. At any rate, removing a post, or a subscriber, because they put the quotations in the wrong place is completely idiotic; this is done, right, or how else would the rule be enforced? > To date, all of the email etiquette information I've read > states that a > reply should always follow the quoted text, with the authors' > names at the > very top. Quotes should also be trimmed down, sometimes to just one > author's text. Any extra or unnecessary quoted text (including sigs) > should be removed to save bandwith. Sure, in a perfect world, that's great, but I've seen some very informative posts that don't follow these rules. Would you just dump them? You're certainly not going to talk everybody into following all of these rules all of the time. > If the subject of a thread changes significantly, the subject > line should > be modified accordingly. A modified subject line should > typically include > _at least_ 1/3-1/2 of the original subject line text, > prefixed by 'was', > and surrounded by parentheses. The current subject line is a > good example. Indeed it should, but again, people forget, or just get lazy, and that doesn't mean that the text of the message is any less valuable. I suppose the point of this whole rant is that regardless of how good these rules are, people will not follow all of them all of the time, and there's really nothing you, or I, or anyone else, can, or should, do about it. (There must be a rule about the number of ,,,s in a single sentence.) That being said, and this being off topic (on top of the fact that it's a problem that can't -- or shouldn't -- be fixed), I'll shut up now. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

Explain the NeXTStation "dim monitor" problem, etc...

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > It's been many years since I ran NeXTSTEP, so this might be > useless...but does "nu" modify the netinfo database? If not, well, > that might be the problem. Um... I have no idea. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/16/2002 12:12:37 PM Central Daylight Time, dquebbeman(a)acm.org writes: > > > > > From: Dave McGuire > > > > > > On April 16, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > > UPS delivered my Burroughs tape unit model BU4180 yesterday but it was > > > > destroyed. They must have dropped it from a high place as this thing > > > > weighs in at almost 80 pounds.. > > > > > > I'm wondering how UPS manages to stay in business anymore. I've > > > shipped about four things via UPS in the past year, and EVERY ONE OF > > > THEM arrived damaged to some extent. WTF?? > > > > Meanwhile, I personally have never had a problem with UPS, and with > > the volume of packages coming & going in this building, I've never seen > > anything bad either. Maybe just a moron for a driver? > > He didn't mention whether it was residential or commercial delivery; > with commercial/business dleivery, you usually end up establishing > a relationship with the delivery person; as a result, I think those > guys are more carefully because they're going to have to look you > in the eye. > > OTOH, residential delivery drivers just dump the package > and run... so in that case, I might suspect a delivery person. > > But I've seen videotapes of UPS employees offloading planes, > and with one guy "going long" you can tell how respectful > they are with stuff. And they were being quite jolly about > it, too... > > -dq > I ordered a NIC from a company and it shipped inside a bigger box shipped UPS. One corner of the box was crushed to 50% of its original height. Thankfully the NIC was far from damaged. I should have taken a picture of that box just to show what UPS does. They don't give a *(&* about the packages.

23 years, 3 months

The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > But then, one thing I have noticed about the list, > besides being an > excellent wealth of information and intelligent people, is > that some don't > know when to let something end. You can count me in that category. I wonder whether it's typical of the kind of person you'd find on this list? As a general observation, technical types tend to push things further than most people appreciate in several cases. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

OT email response format (was Re: TTL computing)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > > > So, why don't you use a real mail client...? > > ... because restrictions here are such that they don't mind me > using their pipe for personal things in a limited manner, but > they really hate for people to put any software on their system > (typical windows-using mindset, but let's not get into that :), > and I'm really trying to play by their rules. They have no > real mail client, in fact their installations of lookout(!) are > even more broken than usual. My requirement for mail clients that would be used here at work includes most importantly that they be MAPI-enabled e-mail clients. If you have to ask why, the answer is: our line of business application is a Windows-only application, and we find that by sticking exclusively to Windows-based applications, we achieve a high rate of integration between all our systems, and more importantly, between all our lusers, er, users. The shorter version of that ansnwer is: groupware. I'd be interested in seeing what e-mail clients Dave and others use *THAT ARE MAPI-ENABLED*. Not a criterium for most of you perhaps, but it is for me. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 3 months

Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Carlini, Antonio wrote: > > Any reasonably modern BSD-based system should have the md5 > program > >preinstalled. If not, you should be able to find it at > > I think you'll find he's running a much older > version of BSD called W98 : Hmm. Well, that's a problem that's easy to solve. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mythtech＠mac.com

> If FedEx dropped their price a little I think more people >would use them vice UPS. I don't do heavy FedEx Ground shipping (although I do heavey FedEx Express shipping, so the discount may carry over, I don't know), but in my limited uses of FedEx Ground, they are between $5 and $25 cheaper than UPS Ground depending on distance, weight, and size. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 3 months

The CommodoreOne is near!

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Chris Wren [mailto:jcwren@jcwren.com] > Jesus. And people wonder why women have a hard time in the industry. Um, I think this is getting pretty bad. On the other hand, I don't know (nor have I any idea whether anyone does) the target of all of this jest well enough to predict whether she'd have a problem with it. That said -- I will assume that "the industry" is on topic here and continue along those lines for a minute -- I don't know whether this is really an industry specific problem. It strikes me as occurring in many different social settings. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

Champaign trip (aka DEC Galore)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I took a little trip over to Champaign, IL yesterday (Mon) and met up with fellow list member Chris Smith. Chris: Just to let you know, I made it home, hot & tired, but ok. It was good to meet you and visit for a while. No doubt, Chris spent yesterday evening going through the carload of stuff I took over to him. I'll let him tell about that. Don't let him get away with calling it his 'latest haul', because he didn't, it was 'home delivery'. :) After that I went to a little town about 12 miles southwest of Champaign. It is named Sadorus and has a population of around 400. It just occurred to me, this town probably holds the record for DEC per capita. Anyway, I stopped at a place called C-U Digital. There I found a warehouse, roughly 8,000 sq. ft., filled with nothing but DEC. A summary of what I saw: Stacks of 5000/2xx DECstations, boxes of LK201/401 keyboards, piles of DECserver 90's, several RAxx drives, several StorageWorks cabinets, a mess of RF7x DSSI drives, a few Alpha servers, several RAID cabinets. This is just the short list. I'd go on but I don't want to be the cause of excess drooling. :) Chris: IIRC, they have VT100 keyboards, and a few still in original packing. Kevin Craft, the owner, was away on a fishing trip, so I talked with this brother Keith. It seems they are still doing a good business, supplying die-hard customers with DEC hardware. He related one recent story where a customer wanted to replace a couple dying VR260 monitors, only the customer insisted that they be new units. I did get a few prices and as expected they are a lot higher than what we list members would prefer. IIRC, an RRD42/43 for around $75, or an RF73 for around $50. About the only good price I heard was around $10 for about any DEC drive mounting bracket. Granted I have found them for less than half that, but those deals are getting fewer and farther between. I guess I can't fault these two for the prices, after all, selling DEC is their livelihood. Keith did mention the amounts of stuff setting around that has not sold in years. For example, a pallet full of DELNI's. I brought up the the subject of this mailing list and hobbyists who are always looking for various items. I then mentioned that selling a mess of DELNI's for a few bucks to hobbyists was better than setting on a pallet gathering dust. He went defensive on me, stating that as soon as he does that, he will get a call from a faithful customer wanting dozens of them. Of course that was Keith talking and Kevin is the boss. I know from past dealings that Kevin is a little more receptive to some ideas. I did get an agreement that sounds promising. I know where this a local cache of DEC, removed from service and setting dormant. The place has a habit of letting stuff set for around five years and then just tossing it. Even with that, I can't seem to talk them out of anything now. I suspect that is because 1) I am cheap, 2) I am just some individual who wandered in. I told Keith that I would get an inventory and he can make an offer, and if it goes through I would like a couple of the machines as a finder's fee. He agreed. The big sour note, I recognized some single drive expansion boxes. However, the DEC badge had been replaced with a Compaq. Compaq actually went to the trouble of having the plastic badge inserts remade in their image. Fortunately, I had not yet had lunch. Well, I have rambled enough. If there is a DEC item that you just absolutely, positively have to have regardless of the price then you might want to contact them. Kevin Craft C-U Digital 100 W. Market St. (the main drag thru town) Sadorus, IL 61872 (217) 598-2424 kaccudigital(a)aol.com (Kevin's or Keith's, I don't know which) Mike

23 years, 3 months

TTL computing

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Last month, I had to build a programmer for a microcontroller. It required > only three components other than the MCU. There was an oscillator, a MAX232A, > and a 74HCT125. I had no trouble getting a suitable oscillator, and I > generally have a few MAX232's around. It took weeks to find the HCT125, > though, given that I didn't want to pay $10 for shipping of a $.25 part. In > the meantime, I'd built the thing with a GAL16V8. Overkill, well, true, but I > didn't have to deal with the widespread search. Hmm, Mouser has 74HCT125s in stock at $0.40. They're in SO-14 packages, but they've got 'em. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

23 years, 3 months

UPS was Re: Need Burroughs Tape Spec's

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 16, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: > The 'missing packaging' photo is essentially what things looked like when > I opened the box. The rest of the photos detail the damage done. Clearly > this is not the fault of UPS. I couldn't have filed an insurance claim, > and it would've been unreasonable of me to have done so. The entire burden > of the damage was on the bonehead shipper who didn't pack the thing. To > the shipper's credit, he took responsibility and shipped me another one > (again, in an otherwise-empty box (grr!) but which arrived, mercifully, > intact). Hmm, does that vendor have any more of them? :) > The point is, UPS publishes packaging guidelines. Use them and be happy. > > Based on my experience, I'd have to say that your gripes with UPS > destroying packages might better be placed squarely on the inadequate use > of packing materials. My experience has been just the opposite, unfortunately. I rarely if ever receive anything that's been poorly packed, and I nearly always have problems with packages destroyed by UPS. I guess I'm just unlucky. :-/ -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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