> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Doc wrote:
> > If it's "coke machine sized" and surplus, it's CISC.
> Thanks Doc!
I should also mention that I believe them to be relatively new.
While there is no proof of this, they're supposed to come from
a company that went out of business perhaps two years ago, and
wasn't _in_ business for that long, AFAIK.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> Hans Franke wrote:
>
> > Well, for stand alone machines i'd say yes. Alas you may
> > include necersary perhipherals. Like operators desk and
> > so on. But only necersary - a Zuse doesn't work without
> > the operator desk, while a average unix box quite well
> > boots without console terminal.
>
> > BTW: who cares about PC boxes ?
>
> My PC jumps up and bites you in the LEG. Down BOY Down DOWN!
Clearly, your PC hasn't been smacked with an Etherkiller lately...
Curb that dog, son!
-dq
At 11:14 PM 4/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Here in Houston, one place drills holes in them with a 1/2" drill. Another
>place dumps box loads of them into an industrial chipping machine. I can
>verify these...I've seen it, and it isn't a pretty sight :/
>-Toth
I wonder if that sort of treatment might get some beryllium oxide dust
airborne...
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
I recently received an Altair 8800 with an Altair disk drive
(Pertec FD514 innards).
In said machine is a Solid State Music 2/4k EPROM board with
2 proms: DBL and MBL. My understanding is that the DBL prom
is the boot loader for paper tape and cassette and the MBL
is the boot loader for the disk. Assuming the PROMS (1702s)
still hold data, I need to figure out the address of the
code. The board has two sets of four dip switches. One is
labeled T1 to T4 and the other A12 to A15. A jumper on the
board that allows settings between 2k and 4k is set to 4k
(1702s vs 1701s?)
Does anyone have a manual or a really good memory of how
these relate to the address of the on-board PROMS? I?m also
interested in finding out how the sockets are addressed.
The two proms are in the lower right sockets (the board has
2 rows of 9) and I?d have thought from the markings that the
upper left sockets were the first two to be addressed.
I?m not yet that familiar with S-100/Altair type systems,
but I assume if I know this address I can execute the code
to boot the machine (assuming the drive still works and the
disks aren?t bad. . . )
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Erik
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhb57@vol.com]
> Is this the black or beige series of AS/400? There should be
> 170, 250, 730, 740, etc. I don't know a hell of a lot about
> the older beige
> units but I think they are for OS/390 instead of OS/400 anyway.
Beige. Are you saying that you can run OS/390 on an AS/400? That
sounds odd to me.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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I know there are a few boatanchor fans here on the list, so I figured I'd
check here before spending yet another hour arguing with Google...
Basically, where are the good boatanchor related mailing lists and
resources at? I'm looking for resources on restoration and building home
brew tube based gear.
I have a National NC-2-40-CS receiver that I was given back around 1995 or
so, which needs its power transformer rebuilt/replaced, in addition to
lots of other minor repairs. Unfortunately, the former/original owner of
that receiver passed away before he could find the manuals for it that he
had filed away.
A couple of weeks ago, I was given an unfinished home brew 2 Meter
Receiver that is about 50-60% assembled. It was built by a friend of mine
who passed away about 2 years ago. Today, while cleaning out more old
parts and gear from his former shop, I found the faded plans for it and a
matching transmitter. Both appear to have been hand copied from the
October 1957 issue of QST.
I don't currently know when I'll have time to work on these projects, but
I'd like to have the resources and information I'll need available when I
find some free time.
-Toth
On April 19, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> There is no shortage of real PDP-11's around here, the biggest problem I
Huh? Where are you? I think it's time for a road trip.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
For those that want on line manuals, check:
http://www.pdp8.net/index.shtml
Near the end of the page, under other you'll find
ASR 33 Teletype. Besides these he has a great site
for PDP-8's
I was thinking, it might be a good idea to make
a mold of the print head I have. One could then
make one in the future to replace it. I'm not sure,
not having it right here, but I think the head is
some kind of metal over plasic. It could be nickel
or something that doesn't rust. It could also be
low temperature type setters metal of some type.
Dwight
>From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhb57(a)vol.com>
>
>Here's something I found in the ClassicCmp archives, noting that there is a
>person with a 3 volume set of manuals for the ASR33...
>----------------------
>Re: Printers
>From: Marvin (marvin(a)rain.org)
Hi I am from Argentina, and i have a complete deskpro
286 in perfect conditiions.
I wonder where i can find the setup software for the
bios setup.
I looking in compq and they dont hav'nt any old
software
thanks!.
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colaborador de www.comsto.org
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> OK. I have a much better, more secure way to obliterate data from
>IDE/SCSI drives.
> Just
>
>1) Remove partitions
>2) Donate drives anonymously to local Linux/*BSD User Group
Install Windows, use Outlook, open Email.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>> Hard Drives are being reformatted with one of those secure wiping
>> programs and then opened and smashed.
>
>Here in Houston, one place drills holes in them with a 1/2" drill. Another
>place dumps box loads of them into an industrial chipping machine. I can
>verify these...I've seen it, and it isn't a pretty sight :/
The thing I and the guy who told me about it were laughing at is how
useless their "destruction" methods really were.
They are using an off the shelf secure delete program (Norton?) and then
opening the top of the HD and hitting it with a mallet to damage the
platters.
So what does this mean... well, I am sure one of those data recovery
companies could still extract the info from the drive if someone was
willing to pay the fee (which I would assume a rival company that really
wanted the info, and was willing to bribe the trash hauler would be able
to afford).
The computers are (were? they may be done now) under guard and only
accessable after the hauler has collected the contents of the dumpster
and driven off property... I do know this first hand... I tried to make a
midnight run to collect some of the PC remains since it was supposed to
ONLY be the mobo and HD being trashed, that leaves lots of good parts for
the picking... but I was stopped at the manned gate, where I could see
the dumpster and a poor guard sitting by it reading a book... in the cold
of winter... so he wasn't there for kicks... and no, the guard at the
gate wouldn't look the other way for $100 which was all I could afford to
offer (didn't try the garbage truck driver... too afraid it is a Soprano
Special company).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
The subject says the first part...
I'm seeking a source for the specifications for 7-track tape
heads. I'm thinking what I really need is just the mechanical/
physical specifications... that leads me to the second part..
Has anyone here have any experience with disassembling a
tape head and re-assembling it? I have in mind delaminating
a 9-track head stack and rebuilding it as a 7-track.
I can already see that a microscope with a precision
mechanical stage will be a must-have for this work.
The end-result of this project will probably involve
reading 7-track tapes in analog mode and digitizing
the analog data stream in order to use modern computing
power to reconstruct the data.
Yes, this is bascially what Tim Shoppa does now, but
I'm not going into business, this would be a labor of
love and once operational, would be used only to assist
other hobbyists/preservationists in their conservation
efforts.
And of course, this is the last-ditch effort, as I
continue to scan my purview for a working head or a
working 7-track drive.
Comments appreciated too, but especially pointers to
the requested info if online, and maybe an offer of
photocopies of not...
Tia,
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com]
> Chris, if you get the chance can you find out if they're CISC or RISC
> machines?
Sure -- here's what I know about them (it? We'll get to that) so far...
The first cabinet is marked "Application Server/400 9406" If I'm not
mistaken, that makes it a RISC model.
It contains two EMC SCSI arrays, a tape library of some sort, made by
Phillips, a <whatever that box with the power switch on it is...>, a
QIC-1000, or similar tape drive, and at least one card cage which is
mostly full.
There is a second rack, but I'm not convinced that it's a separate
system. It only says "Application Server 400" on the tag -- no model
number, no "system cabinet" label in the back like the other one has.
This second rack has (I think) some cards in the cage, and the unit
in the middle of the rack with the power switch on it, but nothing
else.
There are a few other things floating around with these. Twinax cable,
power cords, an (I wrote IBM 7206-002, but I can't find that model, and
I see that 7206 is a 4mm drive, which this is not... so I think...)
7208-002 external tape drive.
So does anyone know how to tell whether these are one system or two?
They're actually a bit smaller than I had been told. Each rack is about
the size of a relatively small refrigerator. I'm right around 6' tall,
and these are shorter than I am.
On another note, my fiancee has expressed some interest in it. I'll try
to find out over the weekend whether she wants it or not. Personally I
don't like AS/400s enough to have one this large ;)
The last thing is that the guy who has it will probably want some money
for it. As of now, I have no idea how much, nor does he, AFAIK.
Anyway, John, if you're still interested, let me know, and I'll see about
putting you in touch with the current owner -- assuming that the fiancee
doesn't decide she really needs a very large AS/400.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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Did I already mention that I will get a real (*1)
Zuse machine next month ? The machine is a spare
unit from the Leopard test facility and was used
to collect data from a bunch of analog computers
which where usedto measure various components of
the finished tanks.
;)
Gruss
H.
(*1) Well, it is a Siemens 404/3, but that's just
a rebadged Zuse - Siemens bought Zuses company
in 1967-69
--
VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> cubic-foot-BTU/Hr-lb-amps per KByte-MIPS.
> ........
> What's _your_ "best" machine?
I like this!
Since all analog computers have a KByte*MIPS
equal to zero, I have few computers with an
infinite zuse.
--Doug
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Doug Coward
@ home in Poulsbo, WA
Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center
http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog
Analogrechner, calculateur analogique,
calcolatore analogico, analoogrekenaar,
komputer analogowy, analog bilgisayar,
kampiutere ghiyasi, analoge computer.
=========================================
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
>
> > > > German(*), but rather because there is still no basic
> > > > or derivated SI unit starting with Z, so Z would give
> > > > a prety good symbol. There is already the Bq (Bequerel),
> > > > so Babbage wouldn't be so nicht - the same is true for
> > > > Calcula (C -> Celsius) and Ambit (A -> Ampere).
> >
> > > Since when has 'Celsius' been an SI unit? And since when has the
> > > abreviation for it been 'C'? C _is_ used for an SI unit -- the Coulomh.
> >
> > It is a derivated unit, as Coulomb, but you'r right, the
> > name is Degree Celsius (C), and youre right, C is Coulomb.
>
> Coulombs aren't derived.
Well, the 'erg' is derived... it's also sick...
That is, it's a dyin' centimeter...
And in what it pleases me to think of as my mind, that's a
joule of a pun...
;)
Hi
I was just trying to think of what I could
use to replace the hammer of a model 33. Mine
had turned to crumbs. I think one of the stick
on rubber feet for projects boxes should work.
Dwight
> I saw that, and I have my doubts about its "uniqueness." Tempest versions of
I'm pretty sure it's not unique, and wouldn't be surprised if Sellam has
one.
> originals. (GRiD did this for years.) And if this really was such a top
> secret system, why did it end up at a salvage dealer?
The disk drive used removable disk cartridges, as long as you didn't include
the cartridge (which would have to be destroyed) the system can be used for
unclassified work, or disposed of.
Zane
That is very cool. Thanks a lot.
==========================
Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:28 PM
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: RE: AIM-65 displays
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Cini, Richard wrote:
> Dick:
>
> No, I don't have a machine-readable version of the listing. I
> scanned the pages directly to PDF (using Acrobar Writer) but I never got
> around to taking those scans and OCRing them to a text file (it was on the
> RSN list).
>
> I did the PC BIOSes and the VIC Kernal ROM, The KIMs were done by
> others.
>
> Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:04 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: AIM-65 displays
>
>
> You wouldn't happen to have a machine-readable (non-PDF) just text file of
> the
> monitor listing, whould you?
>
> Dick
Adobe has been kind enough to solve this little problem for us. See
following.
- don
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now submit multiple URLs in a single e-mail message as well as submit
PDF files to Adobe as MIME attachments. See below for more details.
There are three e-mail options you can use to convert Adobe PDF
documents to a format that is more accessible to screen reading
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you want, plain (ASCII) text or HTML, and whether the PDF is on the
Internet or local media.
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address) of the PDF in the body of an e-mail message to
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HTML). The convertor will mail back the translation of the PDF file.
You can submit multiple URLs in a single e-mail.Tip: Some URLs are
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the mail message will save you some keystrokes.
Option 2
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message. All converted Adobe PDF documents will be sent back to the
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You can either mail the URL of the Adobe PDF or attach the Adobe PDF
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pdf2html(a)sun.trace.wisc.edu (for HTML). The convertor will mail back
the translation of the PDF file.
Hello, all:
Last night I refreshed my Web site a bit, moving the Altair article
and IBM PC BIOS listing to the main pages.
I also posted two more AIM ROM sets, courtesy of Bill Dawson --
Forth and PL/65.
Rich
==========================
Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
On further thought I added to the idea.
From: blstuart(a)bellsouth.net <blstuart(a)bellsouth.net>
>In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204180631001.27156-100000(a)siconic.com>, Sellam
Ismai
>l writes:
>>How about calling it a Babbage?
>
>That was my thought as well, with possible runners up of
>the Zuse, the Aiken, the Eckert or the Mauchley.
>
>Brian L. Stuart
Why not use them all!
A box is Cubic_volume=HeightxWidthxDepth, so why not computers measured
in Zuse?
Zuse = VonNeuman x Eckart x Aiken x Mauchley
With the possible corrosponding dimensions in real terms of memory, speed,
storage, wordsize or some such.
Allison
