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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This is the whole list. The room has to be emptied _today_, so I can bring stuff home with me, if you want to get it later in the day. I'll try to take home any of the smaller unclaimed stuff to store. Again, everything is in unknown, untested condition; as-is. Let me know by around 5:00 pm eastern time... > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > We're cleaning here, and got some stuff being tossed. > > Free, Come pick it up... > > 12 old modems - Gandalf LDS125 (?) > about 12 (?) dozen tape reels. 12" diameter. They're in 4 15" monitor > boxes... -1 box is probably taken... > 2 HP LaserJet IID, with duplex - Taken? > 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex - taken? > some long comms(?) cables > Epson line printers > CSU/DSU > -- > And here's more stuff... 2 Topaz Powermaker UPSs 1, maybe 2 Datability Vista terminal servers 1, maybe 2 Delnis Digital DECRepeater 350 DeskJet 500 DeskJet Plus VT220 VT420 Radius 21" (?) monchrome monitor -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 2 months

dec Lab Modules

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Doug Salot <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: dec Lab Modules > In-Reply-To: <200204240417.g3O4HZQ23049(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > > I think he's asking about "laboratory modules" -- the *original* DEC > products from 1957 or so. You snapped the lab modules into a power > backplane (power supply was one of the "DEC Building Blocks") and > connected the logic elements via patch cords. > > The power pins aren't documented in my 1960 dec logic handbook, and they > don't seem to be documented in Bell's "Computer Engineering" either, so I > assume you need to find a "DEC Building Blocks" technical bulletin or > reverse engineer one of the lab modules -- this might help: > > http://www.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/Saving_Bell_Books/Computer_Engineering/00… I have here in my hands a 4-page "Specifications/Prices" sheet that is titled "DEC Digital Test Equipment" and covers the building blocks. But not in enough detail to determin pinouts. It is dated November 1958. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > Most of the software in use in the UNIX world is free. Of course > > there ARE commercial packages, but...with very few exceptions, for > > every commercial package there's at least one free one that does the > > job as well or better. It's possible that I'm preaching to the choir > > here, but one of the common misconceptions that really bugs me is the > > notion that "unix == expensive", when in reality it's just the > > opposite. (The same goes for "pc vs. real computers" in the "I use a > > PC because I can't afford a Sun or an Alpha" case...) > > That's not been my experience. In fact, until LINUX, which I don't presently > use either, I had never seen any software of any use at all other than for > software development for UNIX. (This response is going to sound snotty, but I don't mean it that way) This is likely because you've not been looking in the right places, and have been (ahem) solidly mired in the world of commercial proprietary Windows stuff. > The EDA stuff I saw was not terribly useful, > but some folks managed to beat it into submission. I can't forget the There is a shortage in that area, but there are useful tools. I'm using some of them in another window right now...I'm designing a battery charger for a portable microcontroller-based system in one window and have a PCB layout tool ready to roll in another window. And I have the source code for all of it, even the operating system they're running under. And I paid $0 for the software and maybe $150 for the hardware. One can pay through the nose for functionality. One can even pay list price for all of one's hardware and buy it all brandie-new. It's just not very smart. ;) > tradeshow when I ruled out UNIX in my mind. A vendor had > essentially the same software for DOS and UNIX. The UNIX version > cost 50x what the DOS version cost, and the hardware also cost over > 10x the cost of an adequate PC. The two software packages "looked > and felt" as well as worked, indistinguishably once one was inside > the application. Oh, I don't doubt it for a second...but again you're speaking of commercial software. UNIX and commercial software don't get along very well, because commercial software goes very much against the whole UNIX thing. It's like using a PC as a network server...you *can* do it, but it won't work very well, it's not a very good idea, and you'll look like an idiot in the process. ;) > The FPGA/CPLD vendors would like to support everybody who's likely to use > their products. However, support is a problem under UNIX, since there are > numerous versions (I've had several) that lack compatibility. The size of the > market doesn't justify working up a freeware version for every UNIX version > though, so I think they're wise avoiding the expense. LINUX is getting some > support, though. Writing the software portably eliminates that problem completely. The world of Windows software development completely ignores portability. The common software in the UNIX world doesn't have a "version for every UNIX version". That's just not the way it works. > and, for the most part, the freeware is often better than the commercial > products. I've seen little "source-available" freeware that was very good, > however. The LINUX stuff is a good example. Much of the code sits, full of > ugly hacks and undocumented modifications, among comments relevant only to the > original code that was abandoned six or seven revisions back, though it's not > obvious. It's a wonder any of it works, but it seems it does. It's unlikely > there'll ever be UNIX/GNU freeware that's as useable as the comparable > DOS/Windows stuff, though, since what looks to be the case is that nobody > wants to document the UNIX/GNU freeware. Linux is a mess no matter how you slice it, mostly thrown together by script kiddies with no experience whatsoever...it's a bad idea to judge the entire UNIX world on the cleanliness (or lack thereof) of Linux, because as even the Linux people are fond of pointing out, Linux isn't UNIX. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, and I respect your experience...please understand that I'm trying to point out that the world of computers is very different from the world of Windows computers...things are, well, just done differently. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

23 years, 2 months

Bytesize (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I figured it might be IBM as they did some odd things over the years. Another that comes to mind is Interdata (not the 8/32), any one know on that one. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Bytesize (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)) >> 9bits was the byte size for the PDP-10, I believe IBM360 and CDC6600 > >Na, the /360 was a plain 8 Bit/Byte machine, but I think you're >right about the CDC. AFAIR there was a Bull machine using 9 Bit Bytes, >and 18 Bit integers. > >Gruss >H. > >-- >VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen >http://www.vcfe.org/

23 years, 2 months

Emulex UC04 SCSI controller for MicroVAX

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Florian Mayer > > Hi folks, > > I've got an Emulex UC04 and would like to use it in my MicroVAX II. Where > can I find documentation for it? > > Greetings from Germany, > > Flori > > Which reminds me. I have an Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel" sitting on my shelf here. Anybody want it? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 2 months

Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Nobody wants to deny or minimize that. Most of us recognize > that he has > become an egotistical, inflexible loon. Thanks Doc. I'm not sure I could have put that any better. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > Minis excluded, I guess the TRS-80 ;) > > > Err, graphical web browser ? (Wave on the Cpmmies). > > Actually, I was joking around. That aside, I wouldn't be > surprised at all. Have you seen Tandy's "Deskmate" on the > CoCo? It's not GEOS, but it's pretty nice for the time, > with half decent graphical file management, etc, and runs > over the OS/9 kernel. For the truly devoted, I have a copy of PC-LINK for Deskmate. Copyright 1988 by America Online, Inc. -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 2 months

1961 Vintage Computer Memory Book Item # 2018895703

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

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23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format )

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: blacklord [mailto:blacklord@telstra.com] > > Minis excluded, I guess the TRS-80 ;) > Err, graphical web browser ? (Wave on the Cpmmies). Actually, I was joking around. That aside, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Have you seen Tandy's "Deskmate" on the CoCo? It's not GEOS, but it's pretty nice for the time, with half decent graphical file management, etc, and runs over the OS/9 kernel. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

dec Lab Modules

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Do the modules look like they'd plug into a Q-Bus or Unibus backplane? If so they can't be much older than about 35 years old I believe (if that). DEC itself I was started in '58, IIRC. Joe's book might have some of the info you need, there are a whole slew of Logic Handbooks from the late 60's through the late 70's (towards the end they changed the name). Zane > > John, > > This is a hell of a coincidence! I JUST posted the message below to a >fellow CC Lister. The book is dated 1971 so it may not cover what you're >looking for IF your modules are really 45 years old. Unfortunately the >book is really more of a catalog so there's little pin out info except >for some of the flip chip modules. > > > "I found a copy of "Digital Logic Handbook 1971" while cleaning around >here today. Digital as in Digital Equipement Corp. Need it? It seems to >be a data book of modules (M series Logic Modules, W series Special Purpose >Logic Boards, A series Analog modules, Lab Series and K Series Control Logic >modules, etc." > > Joe > > > At 10:46 PM 4/23/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Anyone have information on this product series? > >The 'dec Lab Modules' are 45 years old so on > >topic. What I'm looking for is the pin assignment > >for the backplane (only 5 jacks at this stage) > >All I know is that -15v,+10v,+10v and -3v are > >supposed to go in (I think) but I don't know where. > > > >John A. > > > > > > >

23 years, 2 months

WordStar (was RE: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

By the time WS for Win came out, it was hardly the same company, and certainly not an equivalent program to WS 3.3. The program I use is NewWord, which was written by some of the main WS programmers after they were fired by MicroPro and started their own company to provide a WS for Morrow computers. NW was written in assembly language like the early WS versions. http://www.petrie.u-net.com/wordstar/history/history.htm -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:33 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format) >Well, there's always WordStar for Windows or Lotus SmartSuite or >WordPerfect Office. I was always a Wordstar fan, and have a couple of versions here still, but Wordstar for Windows was horrible! Jeff

23 years, 2 months

Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Underwood [mailto:nemesis-lists@icequake.net] > It's not just "garbage". There is a reason for it, that the majority ... and the reason is completely political, which makes it garbage in my book. Not that I mean any disrespect to the Debian people; they have probably the best Linux distribution going, and I recommend it to anyone who asks. > of the Debian community agrees with, or it wouldn't be done. > Plain and I hope that's correct. Since I have probably less exposure to "the Debian community" than you, I'll take your word for it. > simple. I'm sure you are already aware of the reasons, but > reject them. I am aware of the reasons, yes, but not the reasoning. That is, I've heard the arguments, and they make no sense to me. On another note, I'll all for giving recognition to the GNU project, but I find Stallman's demanding it in that form to be tasteless. > What you label "garbage" are the very attributes that many > Debian members > hold dear. Probably exactly why I stay away from "the Debian community," so to speak. > If you don't like Debian, you are free to either attempt to > improve it, > or join the ranks of others who use a different system. It's > a personal > choice. Debian is different for a reason. I have just said several times that it's my favorite Linux distribution, possibly not in so many words. What I don't like are politics. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] > I came home one day to "I tried deleting this file 'cause I > didn't think I > need it, and it won't let me." IIRC, it was the /lib directory... Well, in fairness to her, it's possible that she didn't need one of the files in the /lib directory ;) Especially Linux distributions are bad about just installing garbage that you don't need and will never use. > ObClassicCmp: Anyone ever get OS-9/68K running on a Palm yet??? :-) Wow, I was just thinking that I might be able to get Mach3 for MIPS running on my palmtop... ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Let's make a deal -- attn Richard Erlacher

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Hey Richard, since you are able to get such great bargains, let's hook up and both make some Big Bucks: > From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > Of course, I do buy it whenever I see the CD's at the thrift store. Windows > typically costs $2 there. I'll take all you can get (Win 95 and higher) for $10 each. > Office 2K cost $5, last time I saw it. I'll give you $15 each for as many as you can send. > Typically, > a nice ~200 MHz Pentium box with a little (32MB) of RAM and <10GB HDD and a > small (15") monitor, plus the usual keyboard and mouse, costs around $75. $125 plus freight. I could use a couple of dozen of them. Whaddya say? Let's cash in! Glen 0/0

23 years, 2 months

Cheap tools (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] > $250.00 set from a good source. The sockets split open, > the Philips screwdriver points rounded and damaged the screws > and the ratchet busted without even using a cheater. > It had a life time guarantee. I found the replacements just > as useless. Worse still, the plating from one of the replacement > sockets peeled up and slashed my hand. Hans is right, windows is just like that. :) > It is better to have tools that don't break or damage > your hardware than to have guaranteed junk. Yep, not to mention that I prefer to deal with more reputable organizations, like the IRS, or the DMV, or the mafia. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Linux handheld

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

REVIEW: ZAURUS HANDHELD DOES MORE THAN LOOK SHARP Sharp Electronics Corp.'s Zaurus SL-5500 marries a flexible, Linux-based operating system with a slick, ingenious hardware design to provide a compelling alternative to Microsoft Corp.'s Pocket PC-based handheld devices. To read the eWEEK Labs review, click here: <http://eletters1.ziffdavis.com/cgi-bin10/flo?y=ePhW0BzN6x0DUm0mWn0Ak>

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > I find it interesting that the gaming market is one of the > > > main defining markets for current PC hardware...the very market that > > > PC users used to scorn. I've always thought it was stigma that was > > > unfairly applied to the Amiga, even if it was better at it than the > > > PC's of the same time period. > > > > Good point -- name something that the Amiga didn't do better... > > > > The Amiga was doing "desktop publishing" *before* the term > was coined! In what year do you place this revisionist history? People were casually using the term "Desktop Publishing" in 1985, the year the Commodore Amiga A1000 was launched... Regards, -dq

23 years, 2 months

Calculating VUP values

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 07:29 AM 23/04/2002 -0700, Carlini, Antonio wrote: >It's amazing DEC went to such >bother calculating VUPs by running >a set of real benchmarks on a finely >tuned system and then reporting a >measure based on some weighted >sum when this procedure would have saved >**sooo** much effort: I didn't expect the command procedure to be as good as the real benchmarks but given that the benchmarks are hardly likely to be available for end users I was just interested to see if this command procedure was of any use. At least you can run it on any VMS box. >According to this proc, the machines >I can reach right now report: > >VAXstation 4000-90A: 26.0 bogoVUPs (should be 32+ VUPs) >VAX 4000-700A: 30.8 bogoVUPs (should be ~40 VUPs) >VAX 4000-705A: 34.4 bogoVUPs (should be ~45 VUPs) >Alpha 2100 4/200: 35.2 bogoVUPs >Takara (EV56@500MHz): 87.2 bogoVUPs Well it's in the ball park, though it looks like it's giving only about 75% of the accepted VUP rating. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

23 years, 2 months

Windows V1.0

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > I don't recall any "Windows 2.0", but rather Windows 286 and Windows > 386. The floppies said Windows 286, but the box said Windows 2.0... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 2 months

Emulex UC04 SCSI controller for MicroVAX

by flori_m＠gmx.net

Hi folks, I've got an Emulex UC04 and would like to use it in my MicroVAX II. Where can I find documentation for it? Greetings from Germany, Flori

23 years, 2 months

Futuredata System

by flori_m＠gmx.net

Hi, I've got an old FutureData 2300 System. It has an 8085 CPU and two 8 Inch floppy drives. What is it? What is it good for? What operating systems run on it? Where can I find Software/Manuals/... Would also trade it with an SMD Controller for my MicroVAX II Greetings from Germany, Flori

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Dick, > > Good point -- name something that the Amiga didn't do better... > > > > Chris > > > Survive ... that's something it didn't do better. > Still alive, kickin' & new machines are about to be released :-) cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

23 years, 2 months

Apple //e card

by pat＠cart-server.purdueriots.com

I've got an ALS Z-Card for my Apple //e, and was wondering if anyone had CP/M or MP/M for it. Any info on it would be greatly appreciated. I've tried using google, but haven't really found anything of much use. Also, has anyone tried making a 'soft disk' using SRAMs or an EPROM? I've now got a bunch of EPROMs that would be nice to be able to dump a 'disk image' that I could perhaps boot off of onto them. Any ideas from anyone on this? OR... perhaps something I could use a PC to emulate the disk... just throwing some ideas out there. It'd be nice if it emulated the Disk ][ card so that I could use it as a drop in replacement - is there any easily accessible docs for that? -- Pat

23 years, 2 months

New Museum Finds for the Week

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> 1. Tandy Portable wordprocessor WP-2 with the manual. I bought one of these New on closeout, boy what a waste of money since I've never really used it. I've even got the cassette recorder and cable to hook it up. > 2. A AlphaSmart Pro wordprocessor like the WP-2 except it links up to > PC's, Mac's and IIGS's using cables. Actually the WP-2 should link up with anything with a serial port, if it's got a comm program with the right protocol. I did this once, it was a royal pain as I recall. Zane

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Chris, > The VAX. :) (You did say all machines) Unfair! Not the same class! > > Minis excluded, I guess the TRS-80 ;) Err, graphical web browser ? (Wave on the Cpmmies). cheers. Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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