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anyone with an old national memory databook ?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

I am looking for info on a National Semi 4916944-2 memory IC in a 16-pin 0.3" DIP package. I am assuming that it is some variant of the 4164, but am not sure. --tnx --tom

23 years, 2 months

Specifications Sought for 7-Track Tape Heads

by aek＠spies.com

> I'm seeking a source for the specifications for 7-track tape > heads. I'm thinking what I really need is just the mechanical/ > physical specifications... that leads me to the second part.. OK, a quick session with my calipers confirmed the spacing is the same as 7 track instrumentation recorder heads (which are weird two stack things with every other track on a separate head) http://jcs.mil/RCC/files/xappxd.pdf for details. >from that spec: track width .050" +/- .005 track spacing .070" track tolerance +/- .002 track number 1 (reference) .000 2 .070 3 .140 4 .210 5 .280 6 .350 7 .420

23 years, 2 months

new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for all classic OS's

by mhstein＠canada.com

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!! Maybe with time there could be systems for classic hardware, languages & applications as well. I've just about had it with the increasingly inane signal/noise ratio here and would very much welcome a place to just find or be a resource when I don't have the time or inclination to be amused or irritated. My C$0.02 worth. mike ---------------Original Message------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:53:13 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for all classic OS's I would like to put up a problem tracking system for all classic OS's. This would be off the classiccmp.org website, where anyone could put in a problem they have run into

23 years, 2 months

Quadram drivers?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'm working on restoring an old 64k IBM PC and I'm putting a Quadram card in it but my driver files are corrupted. Can someone send me a copy of the files? Thanks, Joe

23 years, 2 months

Unix versions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 24, 13:13, Bill Pechter wrote: > A yes... That explains my current state of mental health: > > Alliant Concentrix (4.2 BSD) > Coherent (v3, v4) > Concurrent/Perkin-Elmer OS/32 > Concurrent Xelos > Concurrent RTU > DEC RT11 > DEC Vax/VMS (v2.x, 3.x, 4.x) OpenVMS 7.1 > FreeBSD (v1.x, 2.x, 3,x, 4.x) > HP-UX (v9.x) > IBM AIX RS6000 (v3.2,4.1.x) > Linux (Red Hat, Mandrake, Caldera, Slackware, SLS, Suse) > SCO/Caldera Open Desktop/Server, SCO/Caldera Unixware 2.x, Xenix86) > SunOS4.x > Solaris2.x,7,8 > Pyramid OS/X > Pyramid DC/OSx > Unix System III (UnipLUS > Unix System V (Release 0,2,3,4) Mine is approximately BSD 2.11 BSD 4.3 Vax/VMS 5.something RT-11 RSX-11M RISC OS (Acorn, not MIPS RISCOS) Acorn MOS CP/M 2.2 NeXTStep 3.3, OpenStep 4.2(?) Solaris 2.3, Solaris 7 Linux (Slackware, RedHat) IRIX (5.3, 6.5) Windows NT (OK, I know, but it's only used to decode or print Word docs) Those are the ones I've used recently. If you want to count the others here, there's AIX, other Windows, OS/8, 7th Edition Unix, XXDP, and too many more to remember. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 2 months

ISO a mid-70's Cipher tension-arm tape drive

by aek＠spies.com

Thanks to a pointer from Doug Q. I now have a brand new Cipher 7 track head assembly. I had thought this was just going to be the head, but it is the whole tape path, with a date code of Jan, 1976. Does anyone have a mid-70's Cipher 9 track that I could get to attach this to? My original thought was to put what I thought was just the head onto a 9 track transport, but since this is already aligned, it would be MUCH better to put it onto the drive it was designed for. I will be on the road for the next few weeks, so if you have one and are near SLC, Denver, St Louis, Dayton, Chicago, or Buffalo, I could pick it up.

23 years, 2 months

"R.I.P. for D.I.Y."

by marvin＠rain.org

I got this URL for an article in Scientific American that seems appropriate for this group :). The last paragraph reads: "Evidently, the something-for-everyone model epitomized by Heathkit and the Amateur Scientist column can't compete anymore. Specialized sources and Internet newsgroups cater to each skill level. But much of the mentoring and serendipity that the diverse community of amateurs offered has been lost. It is hard not to regret its passing." http://www.sciam.com/2002/0502issue/0502scicit4.html

23 years, 2 months

suggestions on BBC Micro, voltage converter, PAL monitor (in US)?

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> > It has been my mission for some time to bring a BBC Micro back from > England. I would need some way to adapt British plugs to US sockets > and convert the voltage Why not just make a PS to fit? > and I would also need a PAL monitor. PAL to NTSC converters are available for < US$100. Please reply off-list if you need pointers. I fixed a friend up with one and the results were excellent. > Yes, I could bring a montior back from > England along with the computer. I'm not sure if I want to do that. Absolutely not recommended due to the chance of damage en route. Glen 0/0

23 years, 2 months

DEC3000 Model 500

by truthanl＠oclc.org

What is a Dec 3000 model 500? Has a cd rom. and a SCSI port out the back. Looks Like an Alpha Processor system. What OS? Peanut 2.2? on handwritten CD. I am a digest subscriber. Sincerely Larry Truthan

23 years, 2 months

Unix versions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Heheh. I run a bunch of IRIX machines used for scientific > computing :) It's > really not so bad, if you ignore the more horrifying examples of > brain-deadness (what? 16 CDs for an OS install?!...) One of the great mysteries of the universe is the ability of windows <insert some version number here> to take up more space than IRIX once installed, but only fit on one disk. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Cheap tools (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > > >Now, a real neat example did come to my mind: Isn't MS like >one of these 500 parts for 49.95 tool boxes at K/Wall-Mart ? >You realy get the oddest bits you ever seen and a good selection >of tools - tools where each single one costs you 20 bucks if >you buy them at a tool store. Now, would a serious craftsman >ever buy and use this 49.95 tool box ? No. He'll rather spend >ten times the money on a tenth of the tools to buy exactly the >quality he needs for his job. > Hi Having made the mistake of buying the $49.99 tools in the past, I can tell you that you should have bought the $250.00 set from a good source. The sockets split open, the Philips screwdriver points rounded and damaged the screws and the ratchet busted without even using a cheater. It had a life time guarantee. I found the replacements just as useless. Worse still, the plating from one of the replacement sockets peeled up and slashed my hand. It is better to have tools that don't break or damage your hardware than to have guaranteed junk. Dwight

23 years, 2 months

Looking for MicroVAX 3100 model 20E comm parts

by msspcva＠yahoo.com

Hello all: I've got a problem finding some parts and I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out. I'm looking for a DSH32-YA second synchronous serial card option P/N 54-17230-01, and especially it's cable P/N 17-02298-01. These go with a DSH32-BA combo controller module for the MicroVAX 3100 Model 20E systems from DEC. Please email or call me at the number below if you've got the -YA module and the cable, or just the cable. Thanks, Frank Helvey ===== = M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S P. C.= Clayton Frank Helvey, President Montvale Software Services, P. C. P.O. Box 840 Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com ============================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> It was thus said that the Great Douglas H. Quebbeman once stated: > > > > The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts > > a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described > > a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in > > Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path > > of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the > > wrong one... > > Would you happen to remember the magazine and when? It was around 1987, and it was one of those controlled- circulation magazines, many of which are excellent and not mere advertising rags... "Mini-Micro Systems" may have been it... whatever it was, it underwent a name change while I was subscribed, and I have been searching for the article since about 1990. I've thought about asking Ed personally, but he's a corporate big-wig now, possibly succumbed to PHB disease, and so on... The article galvanized me into buying OS/2 1.0 (Zenith version). I was *very* disappointed when I got the docs on programming the system, and discovered I'd once again suffered from bait-and-switch... -dq

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/24/2002 2:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time, erd_6502(a)yahoo.com writes: > Right... remember "OS/2 for the PS/2 - half an OS for half a computer"? > > -ethan > > > ah, but those of us who use both know that that couldnt be further from the truth.

23 years, 2 months

linux in 6gb

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > > >"Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the >disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than >10M, with five for swap. My first pass was Minix2.0 {very fast on a 386/16 with 5mb) and used that to download Linux. The first linix install frm CD was on a 8mb 486slc/25 with an 80mb IDE disk. The current Linux toy is 486/133 with 16mb and a 2.1mb disk from the Caldara Openlinux 2.3 CD. Most of the bells and toys are installed and it's big but useful. A bare bones install still fits on a small disk with useful room if you forget all the packages and Xserver. Allison

23 years, 2 months

anyone with an old national memory databook ?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Uban" <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > >I am looking for info on a National Semi 4916944-2 memory IC in >a 16-pin 0.3" DIP package. I am assuming that it is some variant >of the 4164, but am not sure. > >--tnx >--tom > > Hi Tom This is most likely a OEM number. What machine did it come out of? It looks like it might be a HP number or something. A lot of places have their own part numbering system that several manufactures will make labled parts for them. You may need to check what parts were listed for that application. Of course, if the power lines are correct, you can always try the part you think it is. Dwight

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > > such as when Bill Gates said, "The 80286 is brain-dead." ? > > > > > > Did he really say that? I can't imagine what he'd have meant. Perhaps he was > > > mad at the Intel folks. > > > > Yes, he did. > > Also, Gordon Letwin (author of OS/2 at Microsoft) compared mode > > switching of the 286 to having to shut off your engine to change gears > > on the freeway. > > Interesting you bring up Gordon Letwin...I picked up a copy of his book > _Inside OS/2_ last Friday at the annual library book sale. I haven't > started to read it yet, so I hope it was worth the $1 it cost me. OS/2 is/was a nice OS, but it embraced some architectural flaws that persist in Windows and are part of of makes Windows a sucky operating system. Gordon is obviously very proud of his many pronoucements in the book, such as his belief that GPF indicates a program bug and your program must therefore be terminated. GPF is just a fault condition, and can be programmically used to implement OS features. What OS/2 and Windows call dynamic linking isn't dynamic linking at all, for example. The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the wrong one... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 2 months

linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a Mine was a 16Mhz 386SX, with 3MB of RAM. (One SIMM, and a strange XMS ISA card from a slightly older system. :) > pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from Single 40MB IDE disk. > the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the Softlanding from a local BBS... ;) > UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; "Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than 10M, with five for swap. > I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). Used LILO. > My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, > I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. I don't remember, actually, I used to start them running, and just leave them. Never build a kernel on that machine, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

linux in 6gb

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > > > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything I really use > > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. > > I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few > apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a > 95MB zip disk. My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. Eventually, I copied that system to a single 120MB Seagate IDE drive and ran that on a 486 for a while. One day, on a whim, I brought that drive into work and installed it in a 233MHz Pentium (one). Kernel build time: 15 minutes. ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> For some time now, the gaming console market has been where the real > technological advances in consumer/PC computers have been made. Most PC > users in the business world could get along just fine with a '386 if the OS > and software weren't so bloated now. > > Bob (who is still trying in vain to get MS WinWord to behave and who uses a > WordStar clone on the HP palmtop he carries) The secret to making this work is pretty simple... you just need to drop back to Word for Windows 2.0... it's fast, stable, and even has VBA (albeit they called it WordBASIC back then). -dq

23 years, 2 months

Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This has been taken... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > > > > Which reminds me. I have an Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel" sitting on > my shelf here. Anybody want it? > > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes >

23 years, 2 months

Cenbtral Florida JunkFest

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi All, Eric is plannng on arriving here at about 5 PM on Thursday the 16th and leaving the next day to go to Jacksonville (he has a dinner date there that night). Therefore I'm planning on having the JunkFest on Friday morning. Glen has already aggreed that we can hold it at his store in west Orlando. I know it would be better if we could hold it on a weekend but it didn't work out. I was also thinking of trying to get everyone together and going out to dinner on Thursday evening. That would give us some time to chew the fat before the junkfest. I'm not planning on anything fancy, just someplace where we can all pile in and sit around and talk. Let me know what you think. Joe >Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:43:56 -0000 >From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >To: Joe Rigdon <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: travel plans > >The plan has firmed up a bit. I expect to arrive in Orlando on Thursday >May 16 at 4:51 PM, on American Airlines flight 244 from Los Angeles. > >I'll depart for Jacksonville on Friday the 17th. It looks like I'll >either take a bus which departs Orlando at 3:30 PM, or a train that >departs Orlando at 3:53 PM. > >I'd like to figure out the travel and accomodation details. I hope you >won't think me too rude if I ask whether I might be able to sleep on the >floor at your place. I'll have an Aerobed with me. However, if that's >not convenient for you, don't feel pressured; just let me know of an >inexpensive motel nearby. > >Mapquest says that you're about 22 miles from the airport. Do you know >if there is any shuttle service that will get me to your place (or to the >motel)? > >If it's not too much trouble, could you please measure the outside >dimensions of the IBM 5100? I may be able to borrow a suitable transit >case, but I need to make sure it will fit. > >Best regards, >Eric >

23 years, 2 months

linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything > I really use > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a 95MB zip disk. I'm sure I can do better, too... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Windows 2 (Was: Re: "Windows V1.0)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Windows 2 was what they shipped so you could run Excel, which had grown > popular on the MacIntosh, on the PC/AT. That's where much of the prejudice > against "smartdrv" came from, since that first release didn't work very well. > I don't think there were many other app's for it. Windows 2.0 came to me bundled with my Microsoft Mouse (the Dove Bar version with the steel rollers). As far as apps, Micrografix Draw was somewhat popular; but you're right, there weren't many... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

23 years, 2 months

Looking for documents of IMS - boards

by Fritz_Chwolka＠t-online.de

I got an help for some IMS board , hope that someone here have an answer >Subject: Thanks for files >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just want to thank you for making the old manuals and image files available on http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/ I found things here (like the IMS information) I have been hunting for years. I am still looking for documents etc for some other IMS S-100 boards dating from around 1980-84: - A862 Z80 CPU - A930 Floppy Controller - A821 Winchester Controller - A1100 Winchester Controller - A1021 64K RAM You don't by any chance have files for these, do you? :) Best wishes, Arlen Michaels arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Thank you @ classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org . I like this group. PLease answer only to arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca Thanks Greetings from Fritz Chwolka - Duisburg / collecting old computers just for fun at www.alterechner.de \

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