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by meltie＠myrealbox.com

Hello all, if you've got a VAX 11/750 in running order, please could you contact me directly (I want piccies of specific bits of your VAX to help me getting mine running.) I've been through all the docs and bits I received with the VAX, and i've got a big box of TU58 tapes, ranging from VMS install 3.1 to 5.2, VAX Fortran, and a few tapes marked TU58 Demo, or some weird filesystem names (i'll remember them later), or "Property of DEC". I've also found a board marked "Property of DEC, Do not Remove", and discovered how hard it is to fit two- and four-finger cards into a six-finger backplane.

23 years, 2 months

expansion differences (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >> What software >> was there, that you could install and use? > >A "TOY" computer comes with software. With a REAL computer, you have to >program. No, A TOY is somthing for playing with. An APPLIANCE is a computer that comes with software that might be useful. An example of such an APPLIANCE is a sad affair as it could be a useful computer if you could program it. Allison .

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Did he also think that the 68000 was a copy of the 8086? I didn't ask, but probably. I imagine every chip is a copy of the Pentium, in fact. How would MS-DOS run otherwise? We all know that even the Great Bill Gates wasn't able to make his Wonderful Windows Operating System function without MS-DOS, so it must certainly be impossible for anyone else. ;) Those ENIAC guys are just lucky that Bill Gates was around to give them a copy of MS-DOS when they needed it! No, I'm not exaggerating; yes, I did say he was a "programmer." Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Sun help needed... [was: RE: open "dumpster" event in New Hav en, CT]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Christopher Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > > > Any tips, tricks, or other hints? Maybe something I missed? How > > about other options for getting this puppy running? > > I used an RRD42 to install SunOS <something> on a SPARC IPX. It > had a strange problem where the install program would see some problem > with the drive and abort. If you re-ran the install program a second > time, it would complete fine. You might watch out for that. > > Also, some versions of Solaris *hate* non-sun drives, and won't > boot from them. I don't know which ones, right off. > > Chris > Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I'll be installing the Solaris 8 Binary-Only deal... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 2 months

new server status and RFC on problem tracking database for all classic OS's

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Thanks a MILLION to all who have donated parts and/or money so far to get a separate dedicated classiccmp server. Many of the components are in (still missing a few critical things), but I'm still waffeling on whether to put in IDE hardware mirroring (and if so, whether to do it with a motherboard that supports this or an addin ide raid card). Decisions decisions.... if anyone still wants to donate to the cause, my paypal id is jwest(a)classiccmp.org On a different note - something I have been considering and wonder if people would like it or use it. I would like to put up a problem tracking system for all classic OS's. This would be off the classiccmp.org website, where anyone could put in a problem they have run into with a particular classic OS - be it a suspected bug, compatability issues, etc. An administrative type (volunteers who want to watch the section for a particular OS) can come in and post an answer, resolution, workaround, etc., or mark the problem report as "user error", "known defect", etc. This database easily supports someone searching for a list of problems, issues, etc. For example - "show me any entries for getting a cdrom to work on RT11", or "show me any problems with crashed BBL on HP21xx", or "what are all the known defects in {your favorite operating system here}". All accessible to the public via a simple web interface. You can think of this as a totally free hobbyist support mechanism open to the public. However, keep in mind that it is NOT meant to be used as a "discussion" forum. The very nature of the software used for the system prevents this from happening (ie. it's not meant to replace the classiccmp mailing list in any way). Just another way to find out if the problem you're beating your head against is a known bug. I have been looking at BugTrak, but am starting to lean towards the gnats system with the www.gnats frontend. Any thoughts? Jay West

23 years, 2 months

Vintage Comp Ads and Prices

by jpl15＠panix.com

Just found this: www.adflip.com a huge archive of print advertising covering many decades. Entering 'compter' into the search box returned hundreds of ads, starting with a full page National Geographic spread for the IBM 604 from 1951... many many other vintage systems from the 70s are there too, many with prices. Cheers John

23 years, 2 months

Sun help needed... [was: RE: open "dumpster" event in New Hav en, CT]

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > Any tips, tricks, or other hints? Maybe something I missed? How > about other options for getting this puppy running? I used an RRD42 to install SunOS <something> on a SPARC IPX. It had a strange problem where the install program would see some problem with the drive and abort. If you re-ran the install program a second time, it would complete fine. You might watch out for that. Also, some versions of Solaris *hate* non-sun drives, and won't boot from them. I don't know which ones, right off. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Ebay alert, Pacific NW, DEC gear

by fernande＠internet1.net

It's not my auction, and I wish I was close enough to investigate further. The auction says he has 3 pages of components that he'll fax to a potential bidder. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2019918462 Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 2 months

suggestions on BBC Micro, voltage converter, PAL monitor (in US)?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Tony, Second processors _are_ hard to find. The 6502 and Z80 ones are just about possible to find. The 32016 and ARM1 ones are very rare. I've got a few of the Torch Z80 and Torch 68000 type along with an 80C286 board that fits internally to the BBC. I have no documents or software for any of these and both the 68000 and 80C286 boards have had nearly all the socketed chips pulled. Any ideas where I can get info and/or software for these. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 2 months

Sun help needed... [was: RE: open "dumpster" event in New Hav en, CT]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Bill Pechter > > > Anyway, to my point... This is off-topic, so taking it off-list is > > appropriate I believe... I have a Sun Ultra1 Creator. (170E, Open Boot > 3.1, > > 128 MB RAM, 4 GB Quantum, 1 GB Conner, floppy disk... old 19" Sun color > > monitor, type 5c keyb, optical mouse w/proper silver pad!) Well, now > that I > > finally got the Creator framebuffer replaced, it's time to load Solaris. > > Except that all the CD-ROMS I have aren't even seen by the console... > And I > > tried the sector size jumper both ways. > > > > -- > > try to describe the scsi bus and termination. > do a probe-scsi and a probe-scsi-all... > > let me know what that does. > - Termination was tried both ways on the CD drive. The 2 HDDs are SCA-80, and it looks like those are in the middle of the chain. probe-scsi shows _only_ the 2 HDDs, never the CD. probe-scsi-all will have to wait until I get home from work... > Great machine... I've got some Sun Parts if you need them including an > external disk and cd. > - Hopefully the DEC RRD42 will work, like people say it should. Could that external CD be mounted in the Ultra1? I'd hate to clutter up my desk _more_... :) > Plextor and Toshiba CD's and CD-R's have worked for me on them. > The old 2x toshibas are $3.50 at www.compgeeks.com. > > My Teac's also have the 512 byte jumper as do IBM's. > - None of which I have... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 2 months

Sun help needed... [was: RE: open "dumpster" event in New Haven, CT]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This may be an off-topic post, but Chris is nuts for old HP laser printers and old Macs! A 2 hour drive, out of the blue, during the week, just for two printers... Well I guess that fits just about everybody on this list though... Anyway, to my point... This is off-topic, so taking it off-list is appropriate I believe... I have a Sun Ultra1 Creator. (170E, Open Boot 3.1, 128 MB RAM, 4 GB Quantum, 1 GB Conner, floppy disk... old 19" Sun color monitor, type 5c keyb, optical mouse w/proper silver pad!) Well, now that I finally got the Creator framebuffer replaced, it's time to load Solaris. Except that all the CD-ROMS I have aren't even seen by the console... And I tried the sector size jumper both ways. - Matsushita CR-503-B Compaq spare... - Smart 7 Friendly CD-R 4012 - Apple CD300 plus (found the Sun CD list that said these didn't work afterwards) I have a DEC RRD42 external CD drive here at work that I'm gonna "borrow" this weekend. Any tips, tricks, or other hints? Maybe something I missed? How about other options for getting this puppy running? Thanks to Sridhar and DaveM for trying to help last might... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: Chris > > >> 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex > >Covet covet. > > > >*sigh* I'm in Qu?bec. > > That is sitting in the back of the van sitting in my driveway :-) > > In the morning I will see what it's status is (Dave believes it works, > but doesn't know 100%... worst case, I will probably canabalize my LJ 2 > to get the IIID running) > > Sorry, had to rub it in (isn't often I have toys others want) > > -chris

23 years, 2 months

Unix versions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 25, 18:20, Bill Pechter wrote: > > On Apr 24, 21:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > > > > > Isn't it a bit much to call XXDP+ an OS. > > > DECX-11 is closer... XXDP's pretty dumb. > > > > I've always thought of XXDP as the OS that DECX-11 runs under. > More like the program loader for the OS... 8-). > > At least CP/M had better editors available than XXDP... Yeah, you mean EDLIN :-) TECO in XXDP is not my favourite editor! I'm slightly puzzled by what you say about DEC X-11, though. My exposure to it and XXDP is only in the form of the diagnostics available to end users and third-party service organisations, and I suspect there's more to it than that. The reason I think of XXDP as the OS and X-11 as the, well, application in a way, is that all I see are the X-11 modules to run build and series of tests, whereas XXDP includes the monitor, system handlers etc (as well as the diagnostic programs and utilites, of course). To me, that's the OS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by carlos_murillo＠epm.net.co

At 02:08 PM 4/25/02 -0500, you wrote: >I had a cop-rogrammer at one point who insisted that MacOS was based on >MS-DOS. :) >Needless to say, he didn't rogramm very well, and was fired eventually. >Chris Copro-grammer fits. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

23 years, 2 months

Mains voltage & frequency

by PeksaDO＠Cardiff.ac.uk

>From 1981-1992 our Honeywell Multics (120V 60Hz) was attached to the grid (240V 50Hz) via an motor/alternator set which was about 6' (long) x 3' (high) x 2' (wide). Doug.

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

6bits was the "byte" size for the PDP-8 (swap acc halves). 9bits was the byte size for the PDP-10, I believe IBM360 and CDC6600 12 bits was link-8, PDP-8 and PDP-12 (likely others). 9/18 the pdp7 (first home of unix). -----Original Message----- From: Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner <spc(a)conman.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format) >It was thus said that the Great Ben Franchuk once stated: >> >> Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: >> >> > As for using non-8 bit byte based CPUs? Not really; I don't think I've >> > ever even come across any 9, 12, 18, 24, 36, 60 or 66 bit systems >> > *anywhere* and I'm one of the few programmers I know that's even *heard* of >> > such CPUs. Most programmers I suspect are only aware of the x86. >> What computer systems did you have in mind? >> 9 bit ???? >> 12 bit ???? > > I might have gotten a bit confused there. I know of systems that have had >9 bit characters, and some that have 12 bit address spaces but I'm sure that >if there were indeed, such things as a nine bit or twelve bit computer, >they'll be mentioned soon enough 8-/ > > -spc (But I do want to say the PDP-8 was a 12 bit system for some reason ... ) > > >

23 years, 2 months

ScanPlus Gray 300 scanner - what type of interface?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Thanks for this first info. The scanner does not bear the Plustek name or logo, but their web site lists a "Scan Plus Color 3000" (possibly color variant of mine), for which they still have a driver. The bottom of my scanner has a label on it with two checkboxen, "ScanPlus Gray 300" next to the checked and "ScanPlus Color 3000" next to the unchecked one, so obviously the used at least the same housing. Unfortunately, they only describe setup procedures for parallel port scanners (which have a second connector for the printer cable) and USB scanners, so I'm still lost as to which kind of interface I need to connect mine. I had already found and downloaded the files from the Italian site. Sincerely yours Arno Kletzander Arno_1983(a)gmx.de -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: > You can get the same software for UNIX, if you don't mind the $250K pricetag. > You won't get the source code there, either, of course, but I doubt you'd > expend 200 man-years developing a piece of software at your expense and then > give away the source code. If you did, your shareholders would tar and > feather you. Most of the software in use in the UNIX world is free. Of course there ARE commercial packages, but...with very few exceptions, for every commercial package there's at least one free one that does the job as well or better. It's possible that I'm preaching to the choir here, but one of the common misconceptions that really bugs me is the notion that "unix == expensive", when in reality it's just the opposite. (The same goes for "pc vs. real computers" in the "I use a PC because I can't afford a Sun or an Alpha" case...) > People like the software for FPGA's and CPLD's because it's either free or > under $100 US. There are so many high-quality 805x compilers that are FPGA and CPLD stuff are some of the exceptions that I mentioned in my paragraph above. For that stuff we're pretty much stuck with Windows due to the shortsightedness of the vendors. There's nothing we can do about that at this point, as far as I can tell. :-( I curb that problem by using Windows (under an emulator of course) ONLY for the stuff that I can't run under a real OS. > "freeware" or "shareware" that I can't see any reason one would want one of > the $2000 types, unless he was convinced he could make his work easier by > spending that money. If people would keep after the producers of the > purportedly faulty software, it would get fixed. Vendors of shoddy software > rely on the fact that people buy their products under the mistaken notion that > it will do their work for them, knowing that, when the end-user finds out it's > not so, he'll be too embarassed to complain that the product doesn't work any > better than the comparable freeware product. I agree 100%. Needless to say, we're trashing this compiler after this project. :-) The fancy GUI is nice, but frankly I can be more productive with xemacs and make. > There is a demo version of nearly every high-cost ($2000 isn't that high, btw, > though the Windows environment has made it so.) Get a comparable product for > UNIX, and you'll get no improvement, nor will you get source. All you'll get > is a bigger bill. Not necessarily...I've used at least four FREE 8051 C compilers under UNIX, nearly ten years ago! $2000 *is* high, when most of the 8051 compilers I've used cost $0. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Richard, > were not great, but at least they were adequate. Frankly, if one > considers the competition, the Commodore people picked the video > toy market to > play in rather than the home computer market, because they > couldn't compete > with Apple and Radio Shack, though they attempted to compete with > RS' low-end. So just what is it that classifies the C64 as a "toy" computer ? When it was released, it was far more capable than the existant Apples, Ataris & Radio Shacks (& a damn sight cheaper too). Indeed, out of all the machines then in production, which one still in use now is still capable of (more or less) doing what modern machines can ? cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

23 years, 2 months

Call for Chapters for Microscopy book

by micro＠formatex.org

Dear colleague This letter is to remind you that if you are interested in submitting a chapter for our forthcoming edition "Science, Technology and Education of Microscopy: an Overview" the deadline for submitting them is JUNE 30, 2002. Please note that a first list of accepted proposals/chapters has been also posted on the Call for Papers' website: http://www.formatex.org/micro2002/callforpaper.htm For any enquiry or suggestion, please contact us. Best wishes from Spain. J.A.Mesa Gonzalez Formatex Secretariat A.Mendez Vilas Physics Department University of Extremadura Avda. de Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz SPAIN E-mail: amvilas(a)unex.es Editor

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > reliable and less troublesome. One of them told me that there was no > difference between BSD and Linux, and he firmly believed that BSD was > based on Linux! Another one insisted that I switch to M$-Word from I had a cop-rogrammer at one point who insisted that MacOS was based on MS-DOS. :) Needless to say, he didn't rogramm very well, and was fired eventually. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Vax 3100/80 among other things.

by cvisors＠carnagevisors.net

Hi All again. I have to say the Vax I got last week has been heaps of fun, picked up a couple of bits for it today, like about 20 backup tapes (unfortunatly not TK50 tapes) And a Nice VT420 Terminal. Anyway decided to let VMS wait for a little before I try and learn this odd but interesting system, (I am going to be joind decus so I can get new VMS media as the machine didn't come with any) so I have had a look at the other avalible OSes that are avalible for the VAX. A quick question was ULTRIX ever avalible for the uVAX 3100/80? The two "free" operating systems that seem to be avalible for the 3100/80 are NetBSD and OpenBSD (there seems to be a version of linux but it seems to be quite imature.) I now have had a play with both (and If anyone ever needs a hand setting up either of these just give me a yell.) The NetBSD install was realy easy, I booted the vax via the network, and then did a [ctrl] + [z] and then using ftp pulled the .tgz files to the vax and installed the os from the local hard drive. The only issue was that the NetBSD install was sparse to say the least, and after compiling a couple of things (which was quite slow, but no where as slow as my first linux pc ;) I decided to give OpenBSD a go. OpenBSD is great, still it doesn't have all that I want, but has a lot more than NetBSD. The install is a little hairy in places, and it took me a while to configure the FreeBSD i386 box I am using for a boot server (the OpenBSD net boot process is a little differnt that NetBSD) but the install went painlessly. To sum up, and sorry if this is a little off topic. If anyone is looking for something other than VMS to run on their Vaxes, I would reccomend OpenBSD over NetBSD. I Hope I havent bored you too much.... Benjamin

23 years, 2 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Have you noticed some of the really odd structures in the > DIRectory of the > early Mac formats? > (linked list table (MICROS~1 calls theirs a F.A.T.) made up of 12 bit > entries!) Could that be coincidence? No. just a severe shortage of > competent systems programmers resulting in a number of programmers and > ideas in common. Atari's TOS wasn't based on MS-DOS either, and it used the exact same filesystem. To answer your rhetorical question, actually, I hadn't noticed. I did notice that it was significantly different from ODS-2. :) Perhaps I need to be more clear here -- this guy really thought that somewhere underneath the Mac GUI, there was a copy of MS-DOS on every Macintosh. He had nothing to offer as proof, except that no computer could possibly function without it. (I'm really serious here...) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 2 months

Mark-8 Starter Set for sale

by MTPro＠aol.com

This set includes the circuit boards reproduced (actually produced-retro) >from the original plans, and the front panel with lettering, and the red lens. I purchased these directly from the man who produces them and he has assembled a number of Mark-8's in the past and is very knowledgeable on their assembly. He includes an excellent CD with reprints of the original Radio Electronics articles and his own very helpful notes. Here are a couple of pictures: http://www.classiccomputing.com/mark8.html Here is more info: The First Hobbyist Computer! The remarkable Mark-8 computer was described in the July 1974 issue of Radio Electronics. A landmark in computer history, it was the first hobbyist computer. At this point in time, most engineers didn't, or couldn't believe that a real computer could be constructed with the new fangle Intel chips. But Jon Titus proved them wrong with the affordable Mark-8 computer. The Mark-8 is a .5 Mhz 8008 based computer that preceded the Altair 8800 by about 6 months. The 8008 was Intel's first 8 bit processor and was developed along with the world's first processor, the 4004. Only plans and pcb boards were available from the creator, Jon Titus, everything else had to be provided by the builder. More on the CD from the creator: Also included is a CD that I put together containing a copy of the original Radio Electronics article and supplemental 47 page construction article; a 50 page manual I created detailing my experience and hints debugging this computer (with many photos and full scans of completed boards); aboueers informed before Byte came out, its a treasure chest of historical information about the Mark-8 and other early computers, the January 1975 issue is especially interesting, this is when the Altair was introduced) I paid $180 for this set and I have come to realize that I do not have the talent needed to do the precise soldering, testing, etc. and there is the task of locating the remaining parts for the computer. This is over my head I believe, so I want to pass these on to someone else. $150 plus shipping, an excellent deal. Don't miss your chance to build this classic kit. Best, David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

23 years, 2 months

open "dumpster" event in New Haven, CT

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex >Covet covet. > >*sigh* I'm in Qu?bec. That is sitting in the back of the van sitting in my driveway :-) In the morning I will see what it's status is (Dave believes it works, but doesn't know 100%... worst case, I will probably canabalize my LJ 2 to get the IIID running) Sorry, had to rub it in (isn't often I have toys others want) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 2 months

Open source -- non computer topics (Debian)

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

Doug: > Never had a problem with Debian, other than its name... > Is it an acronym for something? It's rather lame, but: "Since many people have asked, Debian is pronounced 'deb ee n'. It comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra." <shrug> :) However, you can get Linux-based Debian distributions such as "Corel", "Storm", "Progeny", and such. The Debian package system and architecture is not tied explicitly to the official Debian project (and debatable policies) alone. Chris: > the Debian people have better things to do with their time than debate, > argue about, and perhaps eventually fix it. This is possible, but if you offered a reasonable and serious rebuttal to their policy (or portions thereof), I would doubt that anybody would think twice before taking it into consideration. In other words, if you have something to say, it would help to tell it to the people who can do something about it! :) -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

23 years, 2 months

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