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QBUS VAX and M7941 under VMS - info needed!

by dave＠naffnet.org.uk

Hi all, I have a MicroVAX (BA123 enclosure, KA650 CPU) that I would like to put to work... to this end I have two M7941 (DRV11) parallel I/O cards that I would like to bring into service. The Micronotes say that this card is compatible with the 22-bit QBUS, and I have the Field Service print set so I can set the CSR and vectors to appropriate values. Of course, VMS does not have a driver for these cards, but I am not too frightened by the prospect of a little code - here lies the problem! Can anyone tell me just how this card maps into the I/O space, given the CSR? I would like to know just where to read from and write to in order the drive the beastie... Thanks in advance for your help, Dave.

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"Toy" computers http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >I suppose such a product would be good if you need it. It could do >better than to run NT. Maybe they should "port CP/M" to the mainframe. It has been done. At one time you could get "cp/m processor" cards for VAX, PDP-11 and several other machines. Most had several Z80s for multiple users. Allison

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No subject

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

list classiccmp list classiccmp-digest

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"Toy" computers http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org] > A real box can total flood a bundle of gigabit fiber > the diameter of your right leg, its the I/O that sets > these monsters apart really, their CPUs are no > slouch, but not any faster than a common modern > PC chip. So, by "emulated," you didn't mean to imply that they were emulated in such a manner as to be replaced by the peesee -- that is the misunderstanding here, I'm sure. :) Anyway, I've always subscribed to the school of thought which says that the CPU should do only that which can't be accomplished with special purpose chips. It makes things much more elegant. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] > If you're saying that whether somebody is right or not, or whether > substantive matters of potentially great import hang on this, is more > important to some people than having their ass sucked, to the extent > that a Stallman's reasons don't even enter in, then you may > be right. So > what? It doesn't address the issues at all. Actually it's his presentation of those reasons that concerns me. I'm only re-iterating that he would find more sympathetic ears if he weren't so rigid about the whole thing. > Think we've reached the agree to disagree point here, Chief. > It's ceased > to be topical anyway. Suits me. There are certainly more important and interesting things to discuss. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] > > If you mean that the FSF deserves some credit and respect, sure, > > but that's not the way for him to get the former, and it certainly > > has lost him lots of the latter, even if the project may still be > > relatively well thought of. > I think you can make the case that he isn't entirely > unjustified. He and In wanting credit? No, he's not unjustified at all. Only in demanding that the credit take whatever form he likes. :) > the FSF have a lot invested in it. I don't see anything more > objectionable in it than the average corporate trademark claim. It Well, you should see what I have to say about most of those. > certainly annoys a lot of people, though. It might behoove > him to find a > better way of dealilng with the issue if he can. I'll go > along with that. I'll say that it shows an incredible lack of taste and social grace on his part to take offense at everyone who doesn't see it his way (right or not...) That said, he can do what he likes -- I just may not agree with it. > The snide attempts at ad hominems are unwarranted, though. I hope that's not directed towards me. I'll say now that I have nothing against Richard Stallman personally. Only against some opinions that it seems he'd like codified into law. Any "fun" made of him is simply caricature to drive the point home. I have, though, thought about making a BSD/Linux in protest. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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LJII Memory Cards

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Marvin Johnston > > I have two Memory cards for the HP Laserjet II, both with no > documentation. One is fully stuffed and looks to be 4 MB; the second is > partially stuffed and with what appears to be 1 MB. Best offer over > $10.00 for both plus shipping ($3.50 USPS Priority Mail) by Tuesday. > > If you are not going to follow through quickly, please don't make an > offer or say you want them. > - Does anyone know if these would work in a DEC Laser 2100? - If not, does anyone know of/have any memory for a DECLaser2100 that they are willing to part with? - I remember someone said they had an extra legal tray for an HP LaserJet II/III. That would fit in my (newly acquired) DECLaser 2100. Please e-mail me. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org] > Today that campus worth of hardware is emulated in the hercules > s360/370/390/ zSeries emulator http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules > running on a PC running linux or winbloZ I do hope Sridhar will take his time to address this. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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I'm getting sick of this shit! Re: BS al a Erlacher

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I agree, I don't much like having 20 or so e-mails like that in my inbox... especially because hotmail will start deleting stuff when the mailbox is full enough! I personally junk apple IIs also, though I pitch the power supply and take the boards to the scrapyard. I have nothing against Dick, he's given me lots of neat stuff, and while I'm sure I don't share all of the same opinions that he does, what he does with his property is his own perogative. That's my 1865 2 cent piece worth, Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote: > > OS, DOS, MVS, VM ... running on your pc, serves x3270 > > terms over the network etc etc. > Ow! You're killing me! Heh -- I was hoping for a more verbose reply, but that's ok. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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BS al a Erlacher

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: r. 'bear' stricklin <red(a)bears.org> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > The year I got my first PC/AT (I used 'em at work all the time, but didn't get > > one at home for a while.) I bought a 25 MHz clone (NEAT architecture) with 8 > > MB RAM and a pair of 700 MB ESDI drives for $1080. That was with a 1kx768x16 > > VGA display board. I hacked it to work with a fixed-frequency (sync-on-green) > > monitor I had sitting around. It was WONDERFUL. That was in early '89. ['bear' replied:] > This struck me as being blatantly wrong, since it seemed to me (if I > recalled) that in early 1989 your 8 MB of RAM would've run nearly $1k by > itself. > > So I checked the January 1990 issue of "Byte". These are directly from the > cheap ads at the back, and representative of prices a year (loosely) > after your conjectured purchase date: [snip prices] > I admit some margin of error is to be expected, but these prices---sampled > fully eight or nine months after your stated date---do not come close to > corroborating your statements. In consideration of this, I must humbly > submit that you are totally full of shit, or at the very least have made a > grave typographical error. >From my files, an invoice from 1990: 25 MHz 80386, motherboard, case, power supply, 4MB RAM, 1.44 MB FDD, 100MB HD, no i/o, no video, no modem $1450, which is exactly in line with the prices you quoted. Ah, but we must remember that Richard buys Windows for $2. He never pays what we have to pay, nor does he stoop to using bullshit systems like we do (Apple, C64, Unix, Amiga). Richard Erlacher is simply a troll. Or an Alzheimer's victim. Or both. Yes, he has some "stuff" which he will sometimes share, but it's hardly worth the amount of crap we put up with here, not to mention that his crappy posts are deliberately formatted in a way which most classiccmpers find hard to read. > As for the rest of you honking geese Just a minute here! Some of my best friends are geese! http://members.aol.com/gusggoose Glen 0/0

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BS al a Erlacher

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com> > > Dick, do you actually have any interest in old machines or > are you just > If you'd read my earlier post, you'd know that my interest > was in giving away > the hardware I had available. The reason was that, while I > still use some of > the old boxes I have from back in the '70's, and while I > still use the ones > that do something the newer ones don't, or simply do it more > conveniently, I Sounds fair to me, though, I go further, and preserve hardware for the sake of "example," among other things. > don't have any interest in keeping non-functional or > redundant hardware lying > about. Just in case somebody complains about this response, I have to say that it sounds like a proper use of this list as far as I can tell. > number of replies instead that simply said, "I'll take it > all, ship it to ..." > with no offer to participate, say, by paying for the packing > and shipping. Normally if I were to tell somebody that, I'd be assuming that I'd at least have to pay the shipping, but if I ever write to you about something like that, I'll try to be clear on it. > itself. I wouldn't say I toy with 'em however. I hot-rod > the things from > time to time, just to see what sort of speed could have come > from them, under > circumstances that didn't then exist, but I certainly don't > pretend I see them > as being in any sense better than what's out there today. Better is, however, very subjective. :) > their grammar, > syntax, and orthography are clear evidence they've not even > read their own > writing, I can't possibly take them seriously. A pet peeve of mine too; you can't get away from those people, either. Some of them are even great people, but their writing is terrible. One thing I've wondered for a while -- and don't take this as an insult -- is, are you aware of the possible slang connotations in your user-name? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] > Nah, I understand that Stallman and the FSF are under > constant probing > for any sign of a capitulatory mood, for any sign of Ok... > tolerance for being > made irrelvant, since they are using IP against itself, and a lot of > people stand to gain at everyone else's expense if they can > crack that Ok... > wall. That's the grounds for the GNU/linux controversy, and > no doubt why > he makes demands that are taken as overreaching to UG's that Huh? There's nothing in the license that says you have to give GNU credit in the popularly accepted name of your software. Trying to change that after the fact by throwing your weight around, so to speak, is certainly in poor taste. Richard "I won't talk to you unless you call your project by my pet name" Stallman has lost much of my respect over all of this. Of course, this is just my opinion, and you can certainly disagree. > want him to > speak. I don't envy his position. He has a point, too, even > if you think > it's overblown. Enough so that a lot of people would prefer If you mean that the FSF deserves some credit and respect, sure, but that's not the way for him to get the former, and it certainly has lost him lots of the latter, even if the project may still be relatively well thought of. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Jan 82 article abt the IBM PC

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org] > Linux is making computing CPU agnostic however > and with a system that runs on anything, all that > matters for the hardware is price/performace. I thought NetBSD was about making computing CPU agnostic, and Linux was about giving it huggable plush mascots? ;) > In this new climate, perhaps the dark/ice age of > winblows dumbing down mankind will abate. I've been wishing for this to happen, but I see the world being no closer now that it has been. However, if you have any ideas as to how we can deliver the gospel of computer literacy to the unwashed masses, I'd love to hear them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Jan 82 article abt the IBM PC

by rmoyers＠nop.org

For those interested http://www.nop.org/misc/pics/ibmpc Im one of those that still has many of his old mags going back to the altair days. In the collection is the Jan 82 issue of Byte this article is about the IBM PC, and perhaps some may get a kick out of reading from scans of these yellowed pages Raymond

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I'm getting sick of this shit! Re: BS al a Erlacher

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 11:56 PM 4/28/02 -0500, Pat wrote: >Since I haven't seen anyone ask this yet, I'll bite: > >Dick, do you actually have any interest in old machines or are you just >trolling the list? Pat, If you read the messages on the list you'd know better than to ask that question. All of the messages I've read from you lately strongly >imply that you have no real interest toying with or using the systems we >normally talk about on this list. If you're referring to him having no interest in preserving Apple IIs then I'm guilty as well and I'm sure that many people on this list are too. I might not remove the power supplies and pitch to rest but OTOH I don't save any either. Things like Apple IIs, IBMs, etc are just too common. If I saved everyone that I saw I'd not only fill my house but my entire property as well. If Disk can use the power supplies instead of throwing the entire Apple into the trash (or just leaving it in the trash) than I say good for him! Personally I'm getting sick of this flame war and I wish you guys would drop it. Joe > >I'm not trying to start a war, I'm just trying to ask an honest >question (and perhaps giving you a chance to redeem yourself from the >last round of flames). > >-- Pat > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> Looks as though someone's p*ssed because he doesn't read and can't write and >> spell. >> >> Dick > > >

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Apology {RE: Sun help needed... [was: RE: ...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Oh boy... Looks like I managed to make myself look like some dumb-ass schizophrenic with a computer. When I really _only_ just a dumb-ass with a computer... Made the mistake of trying to send e-mail through an Exchange server >from Netscape using IMAP. The server lied and said it didn't send the message (that bastard!). That's why I tried two other ways... Many apologies to all for my screw-up. Please respond off-list... But does anyone have a better e-mail client recommendation? I have sub-folders on the server, which I'd need to get to... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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M0006

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

On closer inspection, the VAX 11/750 board that I have marked "Property of DEC, Not For Sale" is an M0006 - a Remote Diagnosis board. What can you people tell me about it? Alex -- My computer's heavier than yours.

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > Did someone say power cords??? I got a box of about 4 dozen if you need > any. > > Heh. I can get you about 4 dozen boxes of 'em.... > > Doc > Geezuz Kirsti.... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Commodore PC-20-III

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> > The BIOS identifies itself as (C)1986 Commodore Electronics Ltd and seems > to be a Phoenix type. I can't figure out how to get into the BIOS setup. > Neat feature: all the devices are identified with their detected port > addresses. Cameron: I have a generic Phoenix BIOS utility which I have used several times on PCs where I could not enter the BIOS setup program via keystrokes. Please * remind me* to send you this utility if you think it will be helpful to you as it is very late here and I will forget . . . Best regards, Glen 0/0

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"Toy" computers http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules

by rmoyers＠nop.org

On Sunday 28 April 2002 13:06, you wrote: > > Actually, its sort of unexpected that you haven't been > > pointed to this project or found this on your own. > > I found it long before you did, I guarantee you. Some of the code in that > project was written by yours truly. Then why the feigned ignorance then ? and I feel some tugging at my lower extremities. In fact... hmmm afu:/data1/OS/herc/mirror/Mail-archive-html/hercules-390-2000-Q1-Q3# grep -l "nop.org" * 0058.html afu:/data1/OS/herc/mirror/Mail-archive-html/hercules-390-2000-Q1-Q3# grep -i "date" 0058.html <strong>Date:</strong> Wed Mar 01 2000 - 19:43:55 GMT Ya know, ive been on the Herc mail list for a while and ... afu:/data1/OS/herc/mirror/Mail-archive-html/hercules-390-2000-Q1-Q3# grep -l "ikickass.org" * grep: att-0581: Is a directory afu:/data1/OS/herc/mirror/Mail-archive-html/hercules-390-2000-Q1-Q3# cd ../ afu:/data1/OS/herc/mirror/Mail-archive-html# grep -sirl "ikickass.org" * You are not in my archives mirror at all I think you are blowin smoke up my Butt. > Come back when you know what you are talking about. And my error was where ? non-seq tosser too i see. > (BTW, from your previous argument, I was *on the team that ported Linux to > S/390 at Marist College* Linux was not ported at marist, it was a skunkworks project @ IBM itself ( with much work done @ IBM Germany) Marist had the first starter kits. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/25/2151204&mode=nocomment&tid=23 At age 28, Boas Betzler is known at IBM as the "grandfather" of Linux on the mainframe. In mid-1998, he began a port of Linux to the IBM zSeries, and he's shepherded the Linux mainframe project from the beginning to the first shipments. In porting Linux to an IBM mainframe, Betzler went against the grain both internally at IBM, where many saw Linux as a competitor to IBM's own mainframe operating system, and among many analysts outside of IBM, who suggested the port wasn't possible without a huge investment. Betzler's "fun" project has helped IBM record double-digit revenue growth for the first time in more than a decade You are not talking out of your usual orifice it seems, or perhaps you are. Was: Error in Marist large filesystem: Library symlinks Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:20:24 -0600 From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers(a)nop.org> To: Linux on VM Port <LINUX-VM(a)VM.MARIST.EDU> Hmm seems ive deleted some of my older posts grr, o well they have a list archive too, and im in it, been on that list from near day one ... i dont seem to recall you there either. You are not talking out of your usual orifice it seems, or perhaps you are. you sound as if you had been locked in a glass house with an old 360/67 for 20 years and suddenly came out and spent the last day or so cramming for your last post. Common man, it isnt my aim to get in no pecker fight here, its just the exchange of experience projects and ideas, so why go to an extent of putting your integrity in question. bad move imo. > -- Linux is *not* the best thing to happen to mainframes. IBM sales sure says otherwise, it has reversed a downward trend in sales in market conditions where the field elsewhere is not climbing. IBM gives direct credit to Linux on the 390 for this. > I know the capabilities of the hardware, I know the capabilities of the > OS, and I know that the OS is not the best choice for the hardware > in most cases). Unix given a persona, being more GP than anything before seen on earth, would not claim to be "best" at anything. it would claim provably beyond all doubt, running on devices from wristwatch ( demoed by IBM ) to the mainframe, that it is good at more things than any other system can claim. Linux on the s390 bare metal would sure be incomplete, it dont have all the support from all the user written tools dealing with the specifics of that hardware, it still really needs VM under it to fill in it functional gaps. Thats the argument you could have made, so why am i the one making it. ( i dont see that condition existing forever tho, VM was no utilitarian cornacopia on the hacked 360/40 it was born on either, even VM370r6 cant run XEDIT because the full screen support is missing, but hey, VM got better and so will linux390) This last post from you was in the flavor that it seems you think i was attacking you or something, relax man, that isnt the case. Leftist moonies always translate disagreement with them into personal attacks, they call you racist, or go into their shout you down mode or .. Is that what this is ? Raymond -------------------------------------------------------

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CP/M-86

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I've been playing around with cp/m-86, and was wondering if anyone knew if > a multiuser (like MP/M) version was available somewhere? My next step is > to try making it work under Dosemu on Linux if I cant... Yes, it's called MP/M-86: http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/os/MPM86-21I.ZIP or http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/os/MPM86-21E.ZIP hth, -dq

23 years, 11 months

Serendipity

by r.stek＠snet.net

Doug - You asked about Lee Felsenstein turning the intelligent terminal into a computer. From an article he wrote in 1977, (found on Jim Battle's Sol site) he stated that they were requested to design an inteligent terminal for Popular Electronics. He had already designed the VDM board and wanted to use it for his so-called Tom Swift terminal. He and Bob Marsh worked out designs and Bob's used an 8080 whereas his did not. They eventually realized that they had a whole computer, but downplayed that until after the article was published. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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FW: Free chips to good home (gone!)

by jcwren＠jcwren.com

Thanks to everyone who showed interest (which was a lot more than I expected). The chips have found new homes, and will be winging their way their Monday. Based on the replies, I guess I should have put them on eBay with "L@@K!" "RARE!", and made my retirement money. This is actually something that really gets me wound up. These people gut an old XT, and list every chip they can yank off the board as "RARE!". So it has gold flashed pins. So what? It's ceramic? So what? A 27C128 is not "L@@K RARE!". And there are a couple of particular offenders. I've though about writing a CGI script that trolls for that, and automatically sends an e-mail every day to the effect of "Hi! You're an idiot, and couldn't recognize a RARE! chip if it bit you on the ass. Please stop polluting eBay with your useless crap that you can't even identify. How can I tell? Because you put RARE! and a part number, and no part description what so ever. Moron". --John > I've got some chips sitting around that may (or may not) interest the > classiccmp'ers. > > 2 MC68010LC10 (10Mhz "aircraft carrier" (DIP-64) 68010s) > 1 MC68010R10 (10Mhz PGA 68010) > 4 AT&T DSP-16a > 2 Acorn chip sets (VL86C010 + VL86C410 + VL86C110) > 1 AMD 9511D (DIP Arithimetic Co-processor) > 4 COM9046 (SMC voice scramblers)

23 years, 11 months

(crystals) Re: R.I.P. for D.I.Y.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >Could someone point out a catalog/website that gives good complete >solutions? (IE the crystal needs some support components which I have >no clue). Apparently two crystals of equal spec from different >manufacturers will require diff. support, so... help. thanks. The most direct place to go is the PIC chip vendor. They will specify the crystal and related componenets. Allison

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