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by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Sellam Ismail wrote: > > // What about the "uses" directive? I didn't program in Pascal a whole > > // lot but I remember when I did need something like a graphics library > > // I "use"d it. > > Not in the original standard (from N. Wirth, may you pronounce him by > value or by reference or by whatever... ;-), so this must have been an > extension from your compiler's manufacturer. I believe Ken Bowles' team at UCSD first added that extension to their Pascal, which in turn begat Lisa Clascal and MPW Object Pascal. Which brings me to a good question: does anyone have any documentation for Lisa Clascal? I thought it might be in the two-volume loose-leaf Inside Macintosh, but it appears not. -dq

23 years, 11 months

free DEC M7555 card

by jfoust＠threedee.com

This is a RQDX3 ESDI hard disk controller. - John >Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 12:21:04 -0700 >To: MSA listserver <Microscopy(a)sparc5.microscopy.com> >From: Gary Gaugler <gary(a)gaugler.com> >Subject: DEC M7555 card > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > >Disclaimer: This is not a for sale posting. > >I ran across an LSI-11 bus M7555 card which >seems to be in good condition. No idea what it >is or if it works. It has a ribbon connector (1) >on the pull handles end. It is a DEC card. > >Free to a good home. > >gary g.

23 years, 11 months

Repair vs. replace (was Re: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > The guys who can't afford more than $100 are not a big part of the market. > However, it's not fair to ignore 'em. The reason most shops here croak after a couple of years is because they *do* ignore them. In fact, many send this sort of customer to me. > I just don't see how one can make a > living selling used parts when a replacement for the whole she-bang costs >$10 > like the one I snagged last week. Are people really willing to pay $100 to > repair something they could easily replace for $10 if they were to look? Yes. Many of these folks are using hand-me-down computers and wouldn't have a clue of what to buy if they were looking for a replacement. A number of my customers are SOHO, auto repair, day care, etc., and need to retain their data and applications, so for them to just buy a replacement would be disruptive to their business. As far as making a living doing this, I charge about $100 (*new* parts and labor) to replace a power supply, modem, or CD-ROM drive, or to wipe the hdd and reload Windows and the device drivers (which the customer almost never has). After 10 years in business we have a reputation for doing the job right, and for honoring the warranties we put on our work. Can you see how it would be possible to make a living doing 10 or 15 of these easy jobs every day? Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

Fresh Email Lists at Unbelievable Prices

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > Well, at least now I know who harvested my email address from the list... > no, not really > > > (I started getting massive amounts of spam a couple weeks after my first > > post here...) > I would wager my next paycheck that that is pure co-incidence > > Jay West Most likely a coincidence. This is a private list, after all. Did anybody submit this post to SpamCop? Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

Big Items today at Auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well I went and purchased a BIG International school bus today at a auction and plan on taking out the seats to haul all the items I still have up North in storage back here to Texas. It's a 1986 so it meets the 10 year rule. :-) Also picked up several needed Mac's for the collection a Workgroup 60, a DOS 6100, and about 10 others. Almost everyone there gave me their Mac stuff off their pallets (free). I had to leave a lot of stuff there as I filled half the bus and my poor van. After I get everything unloaded on Sunday I will put up a better listing. The best item I got was a Unisys rack system and two big high impact printers for it. On the front cover it says A Series Processor ? With a 3.5 FD (1.44), 150MB tape drive, CD-Rom drive (caddy type), I/O Channels unit, APC power unit, 520MB scsi hard drive, and several other items I have not figured out yet. Looking at some of the doc's that were inside the unit it has U6000/35 system board with 32 MB of memory on it. I also got the Unisys terminal with it (it powers up fine) model DS-1740 (mfg Nov 1990). Two Unisys keyboards (one cable) came with it also models T27-K5. More later, if anyone knows more about this box email please.

23 years, 11 months

Fresh Email Lists at Unbelievable Prices

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> > I've had the same address for at least 4 years, with maybe 3 spams the > entire time up till now (those spammers paid dearly for it too...) How do you deal with spammers? Got any suggestions for dealing with probes? I am probed about every 12 minutes I'm online. Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

IBM Board and IBM PC/AT disks for shipping & handling

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

I have a number of original 5.25" disks I want gone. $5 plus shipping for some or all. Unknown condition, but I was able to dump the ones I tried in unix (to see if they were bulk erased, didn't save the dumps). IBM - Diagnostics for the IBM Personal Computer AT (v1.00) Lotus - 123 System Disk (relase 2) IBM - DOS V3.00 IBM - DOS V3.00 Supplemental Programs MS - Microsoft Word program disks (1-4) (V3?) MS - Learning Microsoft Word (192K memory, Dos 2.0 or higher, one double sided disk drive, microsoft mouse :) (V3?) MS - Learning Microsoft Word Keyboard version (V3?) MS - Microsoft Word program disks (1-3) (V2?) MS - Learning Microsoft Word (V2?) MS - Microsoft Word Program Disk Backup Copy (real MS disk) (V2?) MS - Microsoft Macro Assembler (V4?) IBM - Pascal Compiler V2.00 (PAS-1, PAS-2, LIBRARY) 3Com - EtherSeries User Software for IBM PC Version 2.4 Lots of copies of Gold Hill Computers 'Golden Common Lisp' (V1 & V2) maybe 4 V2, 12 V1, and 5 unopened disk packages (unknown version) plus one shrink wrap about 3/16" thick of documentation Also, one 8bit full length ISA ethernet board. Unknown mfg, PN NI-5010-02. Clint

23 years, 11 months

Yah!

by foo＠siconic.com

Well, I'm finally caught up with CC again. One thing I've been able to confirm after deleting through hundreds of messages is that you guys talk about a lot of irrelevant stuff. And Dick can be a pain in the ass. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by mythtech＠mac.com

> Are people really willing to pay $100 to >repair something they could easily replace for $10 if they were to look? Yes... because most people aren't willing to look, nor do they have any idea what they are looking for. Most people will take what is put in front of them, and if you tell them it is what they need, and it is the best option, they will believe you. This is why Windows has such a large marketshare. People don't know there are other options, nor for the most part, do they care. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

Fresh Email Lists at Unbelievable Prices

by tedharris＠datasurplus.com

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23 years, 11 months

MicroVAX 3 W/SCSI Available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

CC to CLASSICCMP and port-vax(a)netbsd.org, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SHIPPING NOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS ITEM -- LOCAL PICKUP ONLY! Hi, gang, I have for sale, for LOCAL PICKUP ONLY (Shipping is NOT AVAILABLE due to size and weight) in the Kent, WA area (southeast of Seattle), a MicroVAX 3 (KA650 CPU) system in the 'End table' cabinet (BA123). It was, as of seven months or so ago, fully functional on an older version of NetBSD (1.4, I think). It has been in protected storage since that time, and includes the following components: KA650 CPU 32MB RAM DELQA Ethernet Sigma RQD11S Dual-Function SCSI disk/tape drive adapter DHV11 eight-port serial MUX THREE 760MB Micropolis SCSI drives (two active/installed, one loose in its bag as a spare). The only thing you might need to replace is the memory battery. I will include as much in the way of hardware manuals as I can find (definitely the Sigma card's manual), and I'll also throw in a spare DHV11 and a couple of other boards (pretty sure I've got a Pertec tape controller I can get rid of). Asking: $125.00 or best offer for the whole package. Again -- NO SHIPPING AVAILABLE. Sorry, but it's just too big and bulky, and I will not break up a working system. NO DEALERS! I want this system to go to a good home with a "classic" computer collector, not see it scrapped out. Thanks for reading. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

23 years, 11 months

IBM Board and IBM PC/AT disks for shipping & handling

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Also, one 8bit full length ISA ethernet board. Unknown mfg, PN > NI-5010-02. The name "Interlan" comes to mind. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 11 months

Documation M200/DEC CR11 card reader manual/info needed

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm trying to interface a DEC CR11 (a.k.a. Documation M200) card reader to an Apple ][. I need the pinouts of the card reader interface. Does anyone have this information? Is the service manual available online (in some nook I haven't looked into yet)? Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] Knowing this it probably more rhetorical: > I haven't looked at the insides of the COCO2 I've got sitting > here, but I > don't see any place for a FDD or a HDD. Are there serial Yep, that's a problem. Mine had a Floppy controller that plugged into the cartridge slot. The tape setup wasn't bad either, for the time. > ports anywhere that Yeah, I'm certain there was a serial port, but I can't tell you about it. It's been a while. > I can use? How much R/W memory does it have? How do you R/W memory? It has up to 64k of RAM if that's what you mean. If it were a CoCo 3, it would have up to 512. > expand it to do > something useful? It's not bad with _only_ the computer, and a disk setup. > ... see what I mean? You have to do so much to the thing > that RS sells you > that it takes up a whole tabletop just to get to what's in > the PC's box, and You didn't mention that the PSUs were external on many peripherals too ;) > if you compare the price of a typical PC Clone available the > same year the > COCO2 was offered, how do they compare in price, avaialble > software base, etc? There's lots of software for CoCo, but I don't have numbers. > With the COCO, you're better off starting from a wirewrap > panel and a bucket I think that may be an exaggeration. :) > of parts, since the video on the COCO is not "up to snuff," > i.e. 80x24 > characters-capable. It uses that ridiculous 6847, IIRC, and Actually, there are applications that do 80x24 in some high-res video mode, for word processing and the like. I ran at least one on my CoCo1 with 64k of RAM. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Televideo Systems

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Just pinging out there... I was wondering if anyone had a Televideo TS 806 or TS 816 they would be willing to give to a 'good home'. I have a bit of an attachment/longing for one, it was that computer at my Dad's office (he's an Optometrist) that I never got to play with until it broke and (since I was rather young at the time) I took it apart. The pieces have since been tossed by my parents in the interest of 'cleaning up'. I'm just curious if there's any still out there right now - I'd be interested in just seeing pictures even... a nonworking or working system would be pretty cool. -- Pat

23 years, 11 months

Pricing info needed

by francois＠auradon.com

Hi all, I'm looking at selling my IBM 5110 with the 8" disk drive and printer most of the documentation and a box of floppies. What should be the asking price? Anyone interested? Unit is in Twin cities Minnesota. THanks Francois

23 years, 11 months

So-Called Real Programmers and FORTRAN

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > When you opened the box with your COCO, what useful work would it do with the > > $399 you had just spent? Could you write a letter? Could you write and > > compile a Fortran program? > > A REAL programmer can write a FORTRAN program in ANY language. > There was a fairly good (even though Microsoft) BASIC interpreter in ROM. > A REAL programmer could write a FORTRAN program with it. Harrumph! My Data Structures prof lamented the fact (by his observation) that most people write Pascal in its FORTRAN subset... My first computer language was ALFIE, Algebraic Language For Interactive Environments on the CDC 6500 at Purdue. It was a superset of BASIC that most notably inluded FORTRAN FORMATted I/O (READ & WRITE when issued with a line number reference were FORTRAN style, the line number cntaining a FORMAT statement). Good Morning! <ding><ding> This is ALFIE! <ding><ding> <ding> Teletype ASR33 bell. -dq

23 years, 11 months

Anyone need 2112 RAMs

by mhstein＠canada.com

>From: Arlen Michaels <arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca> >Subject: Re: Anyone need 2112 RAMs <snip> > 5 for a dime? Why didn't they just hand them out for free to anyone who >wanted them? Or bag them as kitty litter? ------------ Well, they'd mispriced them, and they even insisted on issuing one of their large expensive invoices; no tax either :) So, does anyone know if these chips fit anything? Murphy dictates that as soon as they disappear, someone will need some. And Arlen: What happened to you last November? I thought you were going to take a Cromemco or two off my hands? Looks like a new address there, talk to me off-list if ya like. mike

23 years, 11 months

Shameless Ad: LSI-11 Service Manuals up for auction

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Still cleaning up, still finding things. I just put a three-volume set of DEC service manuals up for auction for the LSI-11 series. Here's the link if anyone's interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022286247 Opening bid is $20 for the set. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

23 years, 11 months

Documation M200/DEC CR11 card reader manual/info needed

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>I'm trying to interface a DEC CR11 (a.k.a. Documation M200) card reader to >an Apple ][. > >I need the pinouts of the card reader interface. Does anyone have this >information? Is the service manual available online (in some nook I >haven't looked into yet)? You seem to have the tech manual now. The engineering drawings are available at: http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/dec/pdp11/ Antonio

23 years, 11 months

Documation M200/DEC CR11 card reader manual/info needed

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

V.C.F. wrote... -------------------------------------- I'm trying to interface a DEC CR11 (a.k.a. Documation M200) card reader to an Apple ][. I need the pinouts of the card reader interface. Does anyone have this information? Is the service manual available online (in some nook I haven't looked into yet)? -------------------------------------- Dang! Where was that link (from a following message) a couple of years ago when I was trying to do something similar??? <G> Using an Altair for a card reader controller to connect to a PC... <snicker> One thing to watch out for that bit me REAL hard when doing this, is that the data lines on the connector are the raw, unlatched outputs from the phototransistors, and the mechanically generated 'column strobe' signal has a significant amount of slop/jiggle/window (pick your favourite) in it and needs some 'processing' in order to insure valid data. I ended up recreating a circuit that I found detailed in the DEC CR11 Interface Board docs. It used a couple of monostables to delay the 'column strobe' signal by an amount, and then stretch the signal for reliable triggering. (or was it the other way 'round? - stretch then delay?) Anyway... without the 'processing' of the strobe signal the data was completely unreliable. To the point of appearing totally random! Hopefully someone has this doc at hand (or it is covered in the reader hardware manual) for reference. Mine is still buried somewhere in the chaos! Good luck! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

23 years, 11 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > With the pace at which obsolescence has been creeping up on > everybody, I'd say upgradeability is of no consequence at all any more. A lot of my customers can afford $100 for an upgrade or repair but can't afford the $300 you quote below for a basic tower, so for them upgradeability is relevant. > Systems bought three years ago don't use the same drives I haven't seen any real change in fdds or CD-ROM drive in the last three years. Besides capacity, what's different about today's hard drives? > NEW 1 GHz monitorless systems > with 15 GB HDD's (WAY too small to be of interest to anyone nowadays) and a > DVD + FDD, a modest (64MB ??) of RAM, and the usual stuff including mouse and > keyboard, sporting a 4MB on-board video expandable to 16 MB, on-board sound, > and 4 USB ports along with a V.92 modem and all the other usual bells and > whistles are advertised on the local late-night TV for under $300. At prices > like that one can't afford to upgrade. By the time the warranty runs out, > they'll be obsolete again. Obsolete? Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

Found Half a apf MP1000

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

While cleaning at the warehouse today I found the top half of a apf MP1000 console with the two controllers attached. Now I have to hope somewhere in this place I have the bottom? Awhile back I picked up 4 cartridges for this thing and at this rate I should have a complete working unit by August. :-)

23 years, 11 months

Mentec hobbyist licenses?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know recent news about the status of Mentec releasing their hobbyist license / cd-rom program? Last I heard from them was February, and they havent responded yet to mail I sent a few days ago. Here's what they responded with in February: > Dear Bill, > > The quick answer is yes we are. We are at present proposing to release a > Hobbyists License Agreement with CD-ROM containing the software for the > various PDP-11 Operating Systems. Our Website is been updated, the new > website will have a Hobbyist page given all the relevant information on > the Software, CD's,Licenses, and how to obtain them. There will be a total > of 3 CD-ROM's covering all the Operating System available. > > If you have any please do not hesitate to contact. > > Careena.Fitzpatrick(a)mentec.com > or 603 883 7711 Bill -- Bill Bradford | "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. mrbill(a)mrbill.net | Hate leads to using Windows for mission-critical Austin, TX | applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say

23 years, 11 months

"Televideo Systems"

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Just pinging out there... I was wondering if anyone had a Televideo TS 806 > or TS 816 they would be willing to give to a 'good home'. I have a bit of > an attachment/longing for one, it was that computer at my Dad's office > (he's an Optometrist) that I never got to play with until it broke and > (since I was rather young at the time) I took it apart. The pieces have > since been tossed by my parents in the interest of 'cleaning up'. > > I'm just curious if there's any still out there right now - I'd be > interested in just seeing pictures even... a nonworking or working system > would be pretty cool. Wasn't the 816 the 8086/8088 version? The TS-803 had a Z-80. We had 25 of the TS-803 at RETS, and I've been haggling for the only one I know is left from the guy who has it, so far, to no avail. I have manuals and lots of software for it, including TELE-WRITE and TELE-DRAW. We had a MouseSystems optical mouse on ours that worked with TELE-DRAW. These were nice CP/M machines. I was really comfortable using them, except the keyboards were *very* springy. -dq

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