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by vcf＠siconic.com

Jim, in Knoxville, Tennesee, has an IBM 5155 apparently that is seeking a new home. Reply-to: CriggerJ(a)rsipd.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:02:32 -0400 From: Jim Crigger <CriggerJ(a)rsipd.com> Subject: Old Computers Would you be interested in an IBM luggable ? A semi portable pc. has 2 floppy drives. Still boots and works. Just sitting in my garage. Jim Crigger Robertshaw Industrial Products Division Criggerj(a)rsipd.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> wrote: > >Usually gets tossed as the reels are removed from the box as it has > >no further function. Unless, of course, your operators are > >fun-loving sorts who like to throw write rings at each other and > >relish the opportunity to throw something that looks similar when > >it's moving fast but is a bit less flexible. > Like AOL cds. :-) This was the 1980s. Plans to dominate the computer room based on accumulating two solar masses of AOL CDs weren't yet feasible. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Usually gets >tossed as the reels are removed from the box as it has no further >function. Unless, of course, your operators are fun-loving sorts who >like to throw write rings at each other and relish the opportunity to >throw something that looks similar when it's moving fast but is a bit >less flexible. Like AOL cds. :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>They are 9-track tape write-enable rings. They fit into a groove >around the hub-hole of 9-track tapes. At one time, these used to >be all over the place. Since the demise of 9-track tapes as a >common media, they seem to have become scarce Ok... that makes sense, I am sure they ended up in the drawer after the tapes were used. I don't think I have any tapes left, I think they all got pitched with the Zebra (I recall them being in a white plastic clip on case). The rings would have too had I known they were there (yep... that's right, no one has opened this desk in something like 15 years... I found a VERY old Half & Half creamer in a drawer... the stuff inside appears to have turned into some goo like substance... I plan to open it later to see... the gross nature of it has gotten the better of me) I think the orange style ones are all claimed but I have 27 of the yellow ones if you want them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

What is it?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022409053 > > Anyone know what this is? Looks like a DECwriter with only > numeric keys. Wow... and additionally, the right-hand bank of switches and LEDs doesn't match those of my LA120 (DW-III), but of a DECwriter-II (LA-36)... "EARLY CIRCUIT BOARTD PRINTER" Is that supposed to mean "early circuit board, printer" or was somebody using this to do PCB artwork? Talk about the hard way (yes, I know about 4x art)... -dq

23 years, 11 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > > Now, if you need a rock-solid system, rather than just a > passable one, > > then you can use VMS, but Unix works most of the time, and > better than > > windows and MacOS, in my experience. ;) > However, until I can > rely on being able to take the typical drug-impaired, > femto-brained, at best > quasi-literate, high school graduate and setting him down in > front of a *nix > box, when he's never even heard of *nix or VMS or whatever, > and reasonably > expect to get at least half-a-day's work out of each day he > spends at that > box, beginning with the first day, knowing that he can't read > and extract > information from the process, I'll stick with Windows, thank > you very much. > Even a moron can manage that under Windows. Well, let's first dispense with the next argument, which would be that any system can be "easy to use" if you configure it well. Let's assume that we're talking about an out-of-the-box system. What you want, then, is Apple's Newton OS, or PalmOS ;) Anything that one can do with an out-of-the-box windows can also be done there with much less trouble. It's the closest thing to "idiot proof" I've seen. Software availability is the killer, there, though. Honestly, though, if you'd like a system that a monkey can use, it must only do things which a monkey would like to do. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> wrote: > Does anyone know what these are for? <http://www.mythtech.net/rings.jpg> > Excuse the 2d scan, my digital camera is at home, so I just tossed them > on my flatbed scanner for the pic. Top (yellow) one is a "write ring": you stick it in the back of the reel (around the outside of the hub...the reel is slotted to accept it) if you want to permit writing on the tape. Bottom (orange) one is a shipping insert doohickey that gets stuck inside the reel hubs between the reels for shipping. Usually gets tossed as the reels are removed from the box as it has no further function. Unless, of course, your operators are fun-loving sorts who like to throw write rings at each other and relish the opportunity to throw something that looks similar when it's moving fast but is a bit less flexible. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

They are 9-track tape write-enable rings. They fit into a groove around the hub-hole of 9-track tapes. At one time, these used to be all over the place. Since the demise of 9-track tapes as a common media, they seem to have become scarce. Shurely someone needs some? (I could use a few, but not a whole lot...:) -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 4:15 PM > To: Classic Computer > Subject: Tae Rings? > > > Does anyone know what these are for? > <http://www.mythtech.net/rings.jpg> > Excuse the 2d scan, my digital camera is at home, so I just > tossed them > on my flatbed scanner for the pic. > > I think they are rings for the tapes used on my old Zebra > system (IIRC, > it had some reel like tape canisters that fit in the top of > it, but this > is going WAY back). > > I found them in a drawer of a desk that was in the room that > housed my > Zebra. > > > I don't want them, and am planning to pitch them, but before I did, I > figured I would see if anyone knew what they were for, and if anyone > wanted them. > > I have about 2 dozen of the yellow ones, and 5 or 6 of the > orange ones > (although not all orange, some are white/clear). > > Anyone that wants them, they are yours for postage. > > -chris > > <http://www.mythtech.net> >

23 years, 11 months

[marlonf@cablesbyacc.com: RE: Excess PDP11]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

PDP-11 stuff available in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Please contact Marlon directly. Bill ----- Forwarded message from Marlon Fleming <marlonf(a)cablesbyacc.com> ----- From: "Marlon Fleming" <marlonf(a)cablesbyacc.com> To: "Bill Bradford" <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Subject: RE: Excess PDP11 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:14:31 -0600 The heats been turned up and these things need to go quick. Here it is: 10x Serial terminals, mostly Qumes with a few DEC VT220s - all working. 3x PDP 11/23, I'm not sure about the internals - all appear to have RL02 drives. I believe they are all in working condition with OS. I'd probably need to charge some token amount to keep accounting quiet, but the real expense of these things is shipping if you're not local. Nice sig. Marlon Fleming - IT Coordinator, ACC Inc. marlonf(a)cablesbyacc.com 1-800-661-8564. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 11 months

IRIX on Personal Iris

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 7, 20:38, Robert Schaefer wrote: > > You can upgrade a 4MB SIMM to an 8MB one very easily -- just add the chips > > and change one (? IIRC) SMD resistor. > > Verrrryyyy interesting. Are these the PI 4D/35 specific SIMMS you are > refering to? I do have at least four 4MB SIMMS installed. I meant Indigo SIMMs, but I *AFAIK* the 4D/35 uses the same SIMMs. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

What is it?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Wow... and additionally, the right-hand bank of switches ^^^^^ Left. left. "And he knew not his hole from an ass in the ground..." [0] [0] ObFiresignQuote

23 years, 11 months

TI3100 laptops?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I have seen some discussion on the list recently regarding > the Toshiba 3100 laptops... > > I was just curious - is there some reason that these are sought after? I > believe I know where a pretty decent sized stack of them is (about 15 or > so). If they have plasma screens, I'd say that's your answer. The first such screens with a wide audience were the Magnavox-produced PLATO IV terminals. I'd yield up a body part in trade (no organ meat) for one of those... Anything else with a plasma display had my interest, but not to the point of trading precious me away... ;)

23 years, 11 months

2.11BSD kernel probs

by pdp11＠bellsouth.net

> I've been trying to build a kernel with TCP/IP & DEQNA support for the > PDP-11/93. After reassigning some of the overlay inclusions, the kernel > builds OK, and will boot, up to looking for the root filesystem. The > boot fails with an error that there's no root fs at major, minor (5,0). > I've verified that my root filesystem is indeed at that device. I would guess that if the generic kernel is able to find the root fs, but your custom kernel can't mount root, you may have an object that needs to be in a different place. Looking at the kernel Makefile for 2.11BSD on my 11/83, I see that I have ra.o in the BASE. When the kernel first starts to load, you should see something like: <5>ra0: Ver 4 mod 3 ra0: RD54 size=311200

23 years, 11 months

What is it?

by univac2＠earthlink.net

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022409053 Anyone know what this is? Looks like a DECwriter with only numeric keys. -- Owen Robertson

23 years, 11 months

New Toy - VAX 4000-710

by m_thompson＠ids.net

There were two versions of Futurebus. The original version dated from the early 1980s and was described in the IEEE 896 standard. It used standard 9Ux280mm euroboards and three 96 pin DIN connectors. Tektronix used this in their 3000? series workstations. The second version, Futurebus+, used improved backplane connectors and hard metric packaging. This is the version that DEC included in two different VAXen. Futurebus+ was a great intellectual exercise but was a market failure. Lots of Futurebus+ technology has made it's way into otehr products. Michael Thompson E-Mail: M_Thompson(a)IDS.net

23 years, 11 months

newport serial card

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Does anyone have any drivers for a Newport systems solution, 8 ports serial ISA card ? its based on a cirrus logic cl-cd180 and has a NEC V50 cpu with onboard. Google does not find anything usefull. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

23 years, 11 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > muscle, to use to do the "standard" sorts of things. > Moreover, Windows isn't > that expensive. The updates cost about $85US. Of course, given microsoft's somewhat -- um -- aggressive "bundling" deals, nobody knows what an initial installation costs. :) > I've heard lots about what "you can get" but all I ever hear > from the guys who > use Linux every day is that they "don't have that." Some of What don't they have? > Not all college graduates are in computer science. Most, in > fact, are not, > and a computer is just a tool, like a screwdriver, not a > deity. Most folks > just want to get their work done, and don't care to worship > at the shrine of > M$ or *nix. ... but to have gone all the way through college using the things and not have picked up any fundamental knowledge of them? Sure, this happens, but I can't fathom how someone could possibly do it. (I'm sure I can blame microsoft, but let's not get into that again :) > with, he'll be done > by 3:30 and have $100 in his pocket, still, if he does the ... if you say so. :) > obvious. If he > tries something else, what does that say about his ability to > get the job > done? (see what I mean about disparate views of the same thing?) That depends on whether it works better, doesn't it? > The thing about the "standard solution" is that it's a solution. Possibly a solution to the wrong problem. > That's a different problem. I don't understand it either. > People, in > general want to do as little as they can "get by with," > saying nothing about > doing a creditable job. I'm sure most of us will agree on this, at least, then. > If someone gives you a Lear Jet and all you want is to use > the installed > flashlight, why should you have to learn to fly? You shouldn't. Sell your lear and get a $5 flashlight from a department store, pay your mortgage, and maybe get a new car ;) So I suppose if someone give you a computer, and all you need to do is type letters, you should get a word processor, and keep the rest of your money. If you want to web browse, there are things floating around for that now too. You certainly don't need a desktop (or notebook) computer for it. > (1) Windows would not be one of those, and (2) most of the > *nix users I know > enjoy the long cryptic command lines more than anything else. Personally I like that most of the commands are shorter, though, I also get along find with systems that have longer commands. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

HP Jetdirect EX

by marvin＠rain.org

I've got an HP Jetdirect EX, Model J2383 for Token Ring available for $5.00 including US Shipping ($5.50 if paid by PayPal to cover their fees.) to the first person who wants it. It does not have a power supply with it, and since I have never used it, I can't guarantee it works.

23 years, 11 months

The HP Compaq Merger, True 64 and VMS

by cvisors＠carnagevisors.net

Hi peoples, sort of off topic but just saw this http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/07may02b.htm True 64 is being dropped and HP-UX will be hp/compaq's UNIX product, and then this HP also will deliver on the previously announced Compaq OpenVMS. roadmap, including the port to Itanium. Benjamin

23 years, 11 months

What other lists are there?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Did I miss that? I don't recall him publicly bidding the > list farewell? There certainly is a considerable amount of > experience that left with the people already mentioned that have > unsubscribed. He did unsub -- many days ago. It was not exactly due to arguments, but due to his objection to some peoples' positions in them, I believe. I won't speak for him, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

I'm gone (WAS Re: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Sorry guys and girls, I'm outta here..... While on this list, I have met a lot of really cool people, and I have obtained a lot of neat stuff, and I've gotten a lot of help... I also have gotten sick of all the advocacy crap, the off-topic stuff, the tirades, and sifting through 400 KB digests (Yes, that's 400KB PER DAY) just to get a few nuggets... I'm actually at the point where I'm afraid to ask certain questions for fear of starting a flame fest... While I severely doubt I'll be missed, I will miss Tony, Allison, Jeff H., Joe R., and all the others who have helped me with information, or hardware... Please reply by private email, because my next message will be to unsubscribe.... Bye all, Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 11 months

TTi tape drives

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Doc Wrote quoting Richard E.: > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ... > > Actually, the disk I'm looking at, as well as the 2940 I have in my > hand, both say "adaptec" :) > > > Are any of those mfg's still in business? > > BusLogic >> Mylex > NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM I am fairly certain that Adaptec is still in business, while NCR is often the source for the chipsets, I think Adaptec is probably the largest seller of SCSI interface boards in the PC market. -dq

23 years, 11 months

An appeal to Richard E.

by mhstein＠canada.com

Richard, I'd like to ask for your help: Although many of your posts are way outside this list's frame of reference and they do tend to be somewhat, umm, long-winded, especially when you quote in full, I must admit that overall they are better written and show more maturity and even open-mindedness than some of your respondents; I'm also amazed by how Pavlovian that reponse often is and that some people can not resist replying and arguing with you, even in spite of themselves. So I'm appealing to your maturity and to this power you have to start controversial threads, and asking you to please take those discussions off-list once they get rolling. With judicious use of CCs you and those people who enjoy these discussions can have the same lively exchanges among yourselves, while those of us who don't share that enjoyment are spared dozens if not hundreds of man-hours of scrolling and/or deleting. Jay's efforts past and future notwithstanding, I really think that at this point you are the only person who can actually do something about this, and hope that you do. Thanks in advance (I AM quite sincere; there's no sarcasm intended in this at all.) And this latest thread has demonstrated at least one thing, the surprising lack of knowledge about installing/using/maintaining Windows among some of the people dissing it, which would at least partially explain why they dislike it so (just like the people who don't like linux or whatever for the same reason). OEM and scripted installs, accessibility options, use of the Windows and Application keys, remote computing, these all seem to be less than completely understood by some people. Maybe we could all ask, listen & learn a bit more instead of offering statements and opinions which are often incomplete or even wrong. BTW, ten years ago, Win3.1 had just been released last month, and it would be quite a stretch to call linux 0.95 an operating system. mike

23 years, 11 months

TTi tape drives

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Adaptec is still in business, but they did spin off some their software (Easy CD Creator, etc.) as Roxio. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:47 AM To: ClassicCmp List Subject: Re: TTi tape drives <snip> I am fairly certain that Adaptec is still in business, while NCR is often the source for the chipsets, I think Adaptec is probably the largest seller of SCSI interface boards in the PC market. -dq

23 years, 11 months

OT: FW: Jornada 560 dies, takes Corvallis tradition with it

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Apologies that this is a bit OT, but does relate into some areas that are of interest to people on this list. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Hal Goldstein [mailto:hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:01 PM To: HPLX-L(a)UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Jornada 560 dies, takes Corvallis tradition with it You heard it first here. We just got word, thanks to the merger, HP will no longer produce its 560 series! (It will most likely continue the 720 Handheld and successors). They will product "HP iPAQs" out of Houston. Frankly, I find it a total bummer as a long time HP watcher and supporter. This marks the official end to the tradition started by the Corvallis division, which invented the calculator. Yes, the division moved to Singapore and it was never the same. Still there were brilliant, innovative products that came from Singapore. With the new keyboard-cover HP Jornada 560, I finally, had no regrets leaving the HP 200LX. In my mind the 560 with longest battery life, fewest bugs, and removable battery was the best Pocket PC 2002. Now dead! The HP 200LX -- no successor, and from this list's point of view the best PDA ever. Dead. The OmniBook 800 -- efficient design, built in mouse, truly portable. Dead. The OmniBook 300 -- could actually run it on 4 AA batteries! OS in ROM. Built-in mouse. Dead The HP 110 and Portable Plus -- 1985 -- DOS portable with 9 hour battery life. Everything in ROM. Wonderful machines. Dead. Now we have HP Houston (who outsources the manufacture and much of the design of the unit). Good bye any sense of HP as we knew it. YUK! We will have info as we receive it at www.pocketpcmag.com Hal at Thaddeus ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml

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