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Good luck on New finds the last two days.

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

1. Model 100 in black plastic briefcase style carrying case from Radio Shack. In it was a Model 100 with a black leather case, a Radio Shack cassette player in it's own black leather case model 26-1209, half dozen different cables, 2 cassette tapes in cases, a two piece acoustic coupler (25-3805) for the model 100. Pretty cool little setup. 2. Apple LC580 all-in-one unit 3. Tandy 4000 cpu only 4. Apple III monitor 5. Radius Color Pivot monitor 6. Mac 6500/250 tower with built-in Zip drive 7. Tektronix type 561A Oscilloscope comes with a type 3A6 Dual-Trace amplifier and type 3B3 time Base. Guy let me have it for $2 8. Unisys flat tape drive 9. Atari LYNX unit with ac adapter 10. Manual for the Black Mac TV And more items than I can list due to their age (less than 10).

23 years, 11 months

[not OT]Anyone with an SMD rework station

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

willing to do work on classic (read not easily replacable) machines? Specifically I'm interested in adding SOJ RAM to some proprietary SGI SIMMS, and possibly SOJ RAM to a SPARCBook2 CPU board. The chip spacing is such that a soldering iron is not a viable alternative. Thanks! Bob

23 years, 11 months

Windows V3.2?!?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhb57@vol.com] > I remember a patch or add-on that was referred to as Win 3.2 - added > supposedly 32 bit features to the old WIn3.x and I think was > just really a > tinkering project in the development of 95. One of the things that I > remember in it was the first signs of SolFree but since I > rarely play games > it never really grabbed me that much. Sure. You're thinking of "win32s," which was an add-on to kind of poorly retrofit windows 3.1 with some "nt features." It is very similar to the later windows 95, in fact, and some versions of the microshaft development products would allow you to produce apps that used a somewhat limited subset of the win32 api, which would work on any of the three systems. I seem to remember that win32s may have been rather limited in what it could draw to the screen -- being still only able to really use windows 3.1 widgets, and that there were a few file handling conveniences that weren't added in. It has been a while, though. FWIW, many windows programs (understandably -- things like mpeg players, Mosaic, etc, etc...) used to require this. It was distributed, and may still be distributed, for free. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Classic Computers vs. Micro$oft 'droids (was: What other list s...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Over the last 25+ years, I have known quite a few people who > have worked > at MICROS~1, who were nevertheless good people. (fewer and fewer now) Oops! I wanted to reply to this point too. Since it's only arguably topical, I'll keep it short. I agree. It's certainly possible, given the size of their organization, that some of them are fine, intelligent people. They obviously don't run the place, but they may be there, nonetheless. I have no personal problem with any one of their employees, no matter what the company as a whole does. I'd hope that everyone else thinks that way too, but obviously that's not the case. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Classic Computers vs. Micro$oft 'droids (was: What other list s...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > they will be appropriate. They did PLENTY of stuff to > complain about that > is ON-topic! The Windoze 3.10 Beta program (August 1991) Yep, and the complaints I have mostly regard the quality of their work in general, and are timeless ;) > 'Course for us old farts, it's hard to accept that even Amiga > and Mac or > on-topic. Were they really THAT long ago? No (not that I consider myself an "old fart," you understand...), they weren't. Ten years isn't long. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

CoCo

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > On Thu, 9 May 2002, moog53 wrote: > > Isn't coco a code for smartcard..if so, how does one > acquire the code..?? > On THIS list, Coco is short for the Radio Shack "Color Computer". > All you need to do is disassemble the 6809 code in the ROMs. Yep. Hmm... You "aint from around here," are you? ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

This week's find

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

That's a good lesson for we scroungers. I ALWAYS check for unusual parts when I go to a new electronic parts place. I almost always find something interesting. I went in a place a few weeks ago and found a NIB Intel bubble memory. I check for HP-IL cables (surplus places NEVER know what they are!), Intel 4xxx parts, etc etc. Joe At 06:18 PM 5/8/02 -0500, Toth wrote: >This certainly has to be one of my better finds to date. I'm now the proud >owner of 6 brand new i8008 cpus (sorry, not for trade, as I have plans for >these.) Finding them the way I did was kinda strange... A couple of days >ago, on a whim, I called a local electronics dealer and asked if they had >any i8008 chips in stock, and much to my amazement, he had 6 in the parts >bin. :) > >-Toth > >

23 years, 11 months

So-Called Real Programmers and FORTRAN

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >It was in UCSD Pascal (on an Apple ][). As did the Z80 version and the NS* implmentation. >Anyway, Pascal blows. I disagree. The UCSD version was an excellent teaching tool but slower than sludge due to the P-code thing. Later implementations namely JRT and Borland were very useful tools. If Pascal did one thing it whetted the appetite for better languages than Dartmuth Basic or worse Integer basics. My own $0.02, Pascal is a good language and well suited to what I call fairly big tasks like databases and other fairly complex tasks on data structures. I also use Assembler, C, DCL, PAL and even QB45/dos for various tasks depending on the platform and task. Other than that, computer HLLs are like religion, hold the evangelism to a dull roar as the music section may not listen and the non believers have left the room. ;) Allison

23 years, 11 months

IRIX on Personal Iris

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 9, 0:28, Tony Duell wrote: > > > To upgrade Indigo 4MB SIMMs, you need to find eight 514400 (or equivalent) > > > 80ns DRAMs in 26/20-pin SOJ package, and eight SMD decoupling capacitors > > > (sorry, don't remember the value but such caps are usually about > > > 100-200nF). The capacitors are fitted in positions marked C3, C4, C8, C9, > > > C12, C13, C17, C18 on the DRAM side, before the DRAMs (which cover them). > > > > Sounds easy enough. Now all I need to do is find someone with an SMD rework > > station. ^_^ This'd be a good time to see about upgrading my SPARCBook2 to > > For something like this you could probably use a fine-tipped soldering > iron and fine silver-loaded solder. You'll have to work slowly and > carefully, but SMD soldering is possible with normal hand tools... Indeed it is, and that's what I'd often do, but in this case the DRAMs are very close together and I don't think it's possible to get even the finest tip in between, certainly not at the angle needed to get to the pads under the J-leads. I used a hot air gun last time -- similar to the type used for paint stripping or heat-shrink tubing, except that mine is thermostatically controlled. Use lots of flux, or tiny amounts of fresh SMD rework solder paste, keep the board level and firmly supported, and practice on a scrap item first. Given the lack of space between the ICs, if you do know someone with a proper SMD rework station, that would be safer. It's worth mentioning that last time I showed this to someone who does this sort of rework periodically, the first reaction was a sharp intake of breath! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >Usually gets tossed as the reels are removed from the box as it has > > >no further function. Unless, of course, your operators are > > >fun-loving sorts who like to throw write rings at each other and > > >relish the opportunity to throw something that looks similar when > > >it's moving fast but is a bit less flexible. > > > Like AOL cds. :-) > > This was the 1980s. Plans to dominate the computer room based on > accumulating two solar masses of AOL CDs weren't yet feasible. heh... Does anyone recall how environmentalists were in a tizzy about write-enable rings? Seems that like six-pack rings, they were being found washed up on shorelines, and birds were getting caought in them or something like that... I recall a photo accompanying an article in Time magazine showing a guy knealing down a picking one up out of the sand... -dq

23 years, 11 months

Windows V3.2?!?

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

> I remember a patch or add-on that was referred to as Win 3.2 - added > supposedly 32 bit features to the old WIn3.x and I think was just really a > tinkering project in the development of 95. You're thinking of Win32S, which was the first attempt at a 32-bit extension to the Windows API. Not Windows 3.2. :) I think OS/2 can run Win32S programs natively through Win-OS2. -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

23 years, 11 months

T3100 laptops?

by mhstein＠canada.com

Nice keyboard and gas plasma display, makes a good semi-portable terminal and/or text processor. 12 (6) MHz 286, 1MB RAM, 640x400 (25x80) orange display, 3.5 HD FDD, 20/40MB IDE HD, 1 8bit 1/2 length ISA slot (or proprietary T3100). AC only, external RGB & Kbd, Cen Par or Ext 5 1/4FDD, 2xRS232. Have owned one since new & have manuals & system utilities if anybody needs anything. mike ------------Original Message--------------- From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> I have seen some discussion on the list recently regarding the Toshiba 3100 laptops... I was just curious - is there some reason that these are sought after? <snip>

23 years, 11 months

T3100 Memory

by mhstein＠canada.com

Speaking of T3100's, has anybody found any expansion memory for these babies? Normal 30 pin doesn't seem to work. mike

23 years, 11 months

OT: Windows V3.2?!?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

A couple days ago, while dumpster diving I ran across a CD that had "MS Windows 3.2" on it. Unfortunatly it's Chinese, so I doubt I'd be able to make much sense of it :^) Was this a Chinese only version, or was there also an English version? I think this is the first I've ever heard of such a version. Zane

23 years, 11 months

VCF East 2.0 2002?

by vaxzilla＠jarai.org

Are there any plans for a VCF on the east coast of the US this summer? -brian.

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>especially if it has >a cross section in the shape of a sideways "T". Yes, has that cross section... it would have been much easier to tell that if I wasn't forced to scan them on the flatbed scanner. Lucky for me, my mini digital camera comes in tomorrow, so I can start keeping it at work for these types of things. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

OT: Windows V3.2?!?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/8/2002 11:28:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu writes: > > I was just using Calmira, makes windows 3.1 look like windows 95. > > Calmira is indeed very neat. I use it on my lone Windows machine (the only > other Windows machine in the apartment is the Macintosh! under VPC, natch). > It makes the W3.1 interface more contemporary, at least. :-) > There's also an update that IBM made that makes 3.1 have an OS/2 WPS appearance. So much better that way!

23 years, 11 months

can someone tell me?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

What is the damm incantation to turn off this time suck list? Allison

23 years, 11 months

IRIX on Personal Iris

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 8, 15:24, Robert F Schaefer wrote: > I'll spend a little more time looking into that. I believe the ealier PIs > take standard parity SIMMs, but I thought the 4D/35s take a differrent SIMM > from everything else. Be nice if I could bump them up to 8 MB. Yes, the early PI's take standard 30-pin SIMMs. To upgrade Indigo 4MB SIMMs, you need to find eight 514400 (or equivalent) 80ns DRAMs in 26/20-pin SOJ package, and eight SMD decoupling capacitors (sorry, don't remember the value but such caps are usually about 100-200nF). The capacitors are fitted in positions marked C3, C4, C8, C9, C12, C13, C17, C18 on the DRAM side, before the DRAMs (which cover them). I thought I remebered changing a resistor on the other side (ASIC side) but I just compared a 4MB to an 8MB, and they have the same resistors, so I must have been thinking of something else. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

What is this? ATM Cell Data Generator

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Just got back from an auction. One of the things that I got in my lot was an Adtech AX/3000 Cell Data Generator. A quick Google search revealed that this is for generating and testing ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) data on T-1 through OC-3 networks. Can somebody give me a better expanation (in plain english!)? Also any suggestions of what I do with it? Joe

23 years, 11 months

CoCo

by moog53＠bigpond.com

Isn't coco a code for smartcard..if so, how does one acquire the code..?? >from Gypsie

23 years, 11 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by mythtech＠mac.com

>The MAC, for example, I have been ignoring this, but I just can't any more. Mac, as in Macintosh, as in the computer made by Apple Computer, is not MAC or MacIntosh, or otherwise. It is either "Macintosh", "Mac", or "mac". MAC (all caps) means something entirely different. (Media Access Control). I know you like to make sure your grammer and spelling is correct, so I figured I should point out the painfully mistake you have been making thru all your conversations. And now I return you to the regularly scheduled thread. >If it were so bad, would people really buy it if something >better, or even close to equal were offered anywhere? Yes. Window IS perfect proof of this. You will be hard pressed to find people that use multiple different OSes including Windows, and honestly believe Windows is the "best of the bunch". There are some, but then for any idea, you will always find some that believe the idea is the best. (I am discounting all arguments regarding having to use windows or any OS by neccessity. If the app you need is only for one OS, you use that OS regardless of if it is great or a peice of crap). And of course you are missing the fact that most people are too ignorant, and/or don't care enough to educate themselves to the fact that there ARE viable alternatives, many of which are far superior. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

IRIX on Personal Iris

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

The 4D20 and 4D25 used standard pc-type simms (w/parity), the 4D/30, 4D/35 and R3K Indigo used an SGI proprietary simm, identifiable by the large interleave controller chip on one side of the simm. Did someone already mention that you can only have 1 bank of 4Mb simms in a system, due to a prom bug? There is no restriction on the number of other size simms. -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert F Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:24 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IRIX on Personal Iris > > > > On May 7, 20:38, Robert Schaefer wrote: > > > >> > You can upgrade a 4MB SIMM to an 8MB one very easily -- > just add the > > chips > >> > and change one (? IIRC) SMD resistor. > >> > >> Verrrryyyy interesting. Are these the PI 4D/35 specific > SIMMS you are > >> refering to? I do have at least four 4MB SIMMS installed. > > > > I meant Indigo SIMMs, but I *AFAIK* the 4D/35 uses the same SIMMs. > > I'll spend a little more time looking into that. I believe > the ealier PIs > take standard parity SIMMs, but I thought the 4D/35s take a > differrent SIMM > from everything else. Be nice if I could bump them up to 8 MB. > > > Thanks for the info! > > > > > -- > > Pete Peter Turnbull > > Bob >

23 years, 11 months

The HP Compaq Merger, True 64 and VMS

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> cvisors(a)carnagevisors.net wrote: > > Hi peoples, > > > > sort of off topic but just saw this > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/07may02b.htm > > > > True 64 is being dropped and HP-UX will be hp/compaq's UNIX product, > > > > and then this > > > > HP also will deliver on the previously announced Compaq OpenVMS. roadmap, > > including the port to Itanium. > > Started to post that last night, but never got around to it. It's not > that off-topic, and I sure hope the new company keeps tabs on the stuff > that gets dropped. Several other people besides myself would like to > know the copyright status and location and accessibility of technical > info and any remaining parts for the TI DSG assets HP acquired in '92, > for example. Unfortunately, Bob Supnik's been unable to get them to budge on some HP2100 software, and effort by others to get them to free up the Apollo copyrights have also seen no success. Sad to say it, but it's always easier to say "no". Less research involved... -dq

23 years, 11 months

Tae Rings?

by mythtech＠mac.com

Does anyone know what these are for? <http://www.mythtech.net/rings.jpg> Excuse the 2d scan, my digital camera is at home, so I just tossed them on my flatbed scanner for the pic. I think they are rings for the tapes used on my old Zebra system (IIRC, it had some reel like tape canisters that fit in the top of it, but this is going WAY back). I found them in a drawer of a desk that was in the room that housed my Zebra. I don't want them, and am planning to pitch them, but before I did, I figured I would see if anyone knew what they were for, and if anyone wanted them. I have about 2 dozen of the yellow ones, and 5 or 6 of the orange ones (although not all orange, some are white/clear). Anyone that wants them, they are yours for postage. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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