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by linvjw＠bedrocksys.com

Would anyone happen to have a spare of the card cage used to make the TRS-80 Model 12 able to accept expansion cards? I have one that I'd like to run Xenix on (with the help of a 68000 card)... Thanks! John

23 years, 11 months

Fw: Need Computer Hardware at up to 95% off Original list!

by rhb57＠vol.com

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23 years, 11 months

Instroducig myself - Apple II

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

As I mentioned in my PET message, my dad bought an Apple II while I was still an avid PET user in high school. I tinkered with the machine a little, but not a whole lot. When I was at U-Mass Amherst from 1981-1983, several friends had them in their dorm rooms, and I started to become familiar with Apple II software. While I was at college, my dad had gotten a contract to work on an Apple database system called CCA-DMS. This was a clunky system written in BASIC. The sorting function was especially slow, and my dad was contracted to write a new sorting routine using 6502 machine language to speed it up. Later on CCA-DMS was bought by VisiCorp (Personal Software bought VisiCalc, and changed their name to VisiCorp, and made a whole line of ?Visi? products). The new CCA-DMS became VisiFile, and was a real clunker. A friend of ours was doing a lot of mass mailing and wanted to put together a software program that would combine a database for maintaining name/address lists, and a word processor for writing letters, and a program to merge the data into the letters. He wrote the database and merge programs in BASIC, but there was no way he could write a decent word processor in BASIC. He had seen a program called ?Magic Window? which moved the screen back and forth (the Apple II screen was only 40 columns wide) as you typed so you could see your full page. He liked that idea, and wanted me to create a simplified version that worked similar. So I created ?The Letter Writer?, which was similar to Magic Window, but simpler, and it was integrated into my friends ?The Letter Carrier? mail merge program. I don?t think he sold very many copies. VisiFile was starting to get popular, but we hated how slow and clunky it was. My dad improved the sort routine even more, and make a separate program you could use instead of the standard VisiFile sort function. Another function of VisiFile that was really awful was the reporting function. The report generator was a huge program that could print a report from a variety of specifications. My dad wrote a program that would take the report specificiation, generate a BASIC program SPECIFICALLY for that set of specifications, and run it. It was faster to spend the time generating a BASIC program to print the specific report, and then run that program, instead of using the clunky VisiFile report generator. And the other advantage was that you could SAVE this specialized report generator program, and simply run it whenever you wanted to generate a new report from your data. My dad sold the sorting program as FAST SORT, and the reporting program as FAST REPORT. Another aspect of VisiFile that was clumsy was the data editing. You could see one record at a time on the screen, in a form layout. It worked OK for some applications, but if you wanted to see data from a previous record (or records) you couldn?t. We came up with the idea of showing data in a grid-like form, and in the summer of 1983 wrote MASS MAINTENANCE. It worked on CCA-DMS or VisiFile format databases. You could use it standalone, or replace the standard VisiFile data editing program with it. We wrote it in 6502 assembler, so it was fast. I don?t know if anyone else had used the grid metaphor before for showing data, but we certainly hadn?t seen it anywhere ? we just came up with the idea. Now, it?s the standard method for displaying tables, etc. VisiCorp contracted with us to modify VisiFile to be Apple //e compatible. They had a prototype Apple //e sent to us, which we used for the project, so that VisiFile was Apple //e compatible when the Apple //e was introduced. We were also sent a ProFile 5MB hard drive, and beta versions of ProDOS. VisiCorp wanted to know if it was possible to migrate VisiFile to ProDOS, and if so, could we do it. We started working on the project, and did get much of VisiFile working under ProDOS. In the meantime, VisiCorp went bankrupt and so the project never got completed, and we never had to return the prototype Apple //e. I do remember going to Apple user group meetings and everyone was talking about seeing pictures of a hard drive attached to an Apple II. It was awfully hard for us to be quiet, as we had one operational at our house. The ProFile hard drive had a head crash, and we lost our Mass Maintenance source code. By that time, the IBM PC started to take hold as a business computer, and the Apple II was used less for business purposes. I got a real job as a programmer for a company, and our Apple II software business quickly died out. The Apple II did continue to get used until I bought a Macintosh in 1985. My dad continued to use the Apple II for a few more years, but he didn?t do much in the way of programming. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA USA

23 years, 11 months

Introducing myself - VAX

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

At the end of 1983 I got a job working at a bank developing an accounting software package for the DEC Rainbow, and later the IBM PC. The bank was the Farm Credit Bank, which provided financial services to farms and farming co-ops. They marketed an accounting service for the clients whereby the client could fill out forms with their income and expense information, and other financial transactions, and mail it in. It would be batch processed, and they?d get various reports back in the mail such as check registers, income and expense statements, etc. The system was good, but cumbersome to use due to the mail factor. The bank decided they wanted to write a microcomputer version that could run on a computer in the farm office. Pretty far ahead of it?s time in 1983, I?d say. Although I was primarily working on the account project, the bank?s minicomputer was a VAX 11/780 (or two). We backed up our source code to the VAX system, so I had some limited contact with the VAX. I was intrigued, because I wanted to know how this VMS was similar, and different from RSTS/E. I became interested in working on the Technical Services team, which were the guys who maintained and did all the technical stuff with the VAX. Once we had a shipping release of the accounting software, they allowed me to work half-time in Technical Services, more or less as an apprentice. I latched on to a guy named Tom Vaughan, who taught me a lot about VMS. One of our projects was to write a printer symbiont that would allow one to submit a print job on one VAX, but have it print on a printer connected to another node. This was before VMS offered any such capabilities. The Technical Services department also had a VAX 11/730 which was designated to them for ?testing?. Well, it didn?t get used much, and Tom didn?t mind if I used it for learning purposes. He let me set up a privileged account on it, and I set up access so I could dial in from home and ?play? at night. I had always been interested in ?Talk? programs ? from the days of RSTS/E, where there were ?good? talk programs, to the huge Cyber system at U-Mass, to the programs of the online services like CompuServe?s ?CB Simulator? which was primitive, but cool because you could talk with people all over the country. I had used all these programs quite a lot, and had things from each that I did or didn?t like. One of my main pet peeves of almost every system was having other people?s messages come across while I was in the middle of typing something. I wondered about the VAX, and how I might go about writing a talk system for it. Tom told me there was something called ?mailboxes?, and at first, it took me a while to get over the term itself. I kept wanting them to be related to the MAIL system. After reading some documentation I had a few ideas of how I might implement a talk program using mailboxes. I decided that a server process should keep track of everything, and each user?s client would only interact with the server process. I put together a small prototype, and the concept actually seemed to work. This was definitely a part time project, and it was over a period of a few years (say, from 1985 to 1987) that I refined the program to a point that I considered to be usable. Unfortunately, we only had 2 or 3 dialup lines at work, and no one during the day was able to give the program a good workout. I didn?t want to create accounts for friends and give them access to my work dial-ups. The live testing was very limited. I decided to post the program on the VAXFORUM of CompuServe and see if anyone might want to try it out. One day, in the spring of 1988, I got a call from a guy in Houston Texas who was involved with a system called DATASEEK. At the time I thought he was in charge, but I later realized that he wasn?t, I think he was just a consultant. He said DATASEEK was a company that provided computer services to the oil industry (or something like that) during the day, but at night their computers weren?t doing anything, and they had a system where local people could dial in, get information about local restaurants, activities, etc. and it had a ?CB simulator? where they could chat with each other. He said the current CB software was awful and they wanted to replace it with something different. Could mine work? I asked if he could give me dial-up access, and he said yes. That night I uploaded the software to their computer, and we gave a few (maybe 2 or 3) users access. Testing quickly showed some bugs, and some desperately needed features. I made some code changes, and they picked a handful of avid users for beta-testing. Maybe 15 or 20 people had access to Talk. They suggested more features, and I programmed them as fast as people could request them. Eventually Talk replaced the old system, and it became quite popular. Lots of people called DATASEEK just to use Talk. The original intent of local information and advertising got obscured by the desire for people to use Talk. As Spring turned into summer, I was using the system a lot, and use it to talk to people as much as develop Talk (well, using it was a good way to learn what was good and bad). I made a lot of friends, and planned a trip to visit Houston in late summer. DATASEEK was starting to complain that their system was full all the time (they had 24 dialins, and they would be consistently busy from 7:00PM when Talk opened, until 2:00AM). They wanted some way to put limits on how much time users could spend on Talk. There were a few other things I wanted to add that would be a major change, so I planned to write them locally and bring the new version when I went on my visit. I had a wonderful week in Houston, and met a bunch of really nice people who went out of their way to make me welcome. Of course, I was their ?hero? because I was the author of the software they were addicted to. The installation of the new software went fine, although the time limits DATASEEK imposed weren?t all that popular. But it did help give more people a chance to use Talk. In the Fall of 1988 DATASEEK decided they wanted to make Talk into a subscription service. This didn?t go over well, as it?s hard to ask someone to pay for something they?ve been getting for free. Some people did subscribe, but the user base went way down. In the beginning of 1989, DATASEEK went away. I really don?t know what happened, and I was never clear what their ?daytime? business really was. I continued to play with Talk development locally for a while. I had some features I was working on, such as linking multiple VAX Talk servers together. I also had other ideas about making PC Talk clients, and fancy version for VT100+ terminals. Some of this work is started, but not completed. The node linking was hard to test, and I didn?t know of anywhere that it would actually be used, so I lost interest in finishing it. Without an avid Talk user base, it was less interesting to work on Talk. My last version is dated 1990. I did hear that a few other facilities were using Talk, although I don?t know for how long, or how popular it was. I have totally lost contact with everyone who used my Talk program at DATASEEK in 1988. I would love to hear from some of those people. In retrospect, Talk seems small in comparison to the networked IRC servers of today. The most users I recall on Talk was 31, that was all of DATASEEK?s 24 Dial-In lines, plus all of their local terminals. The main thing about Talk was its user friendliness and ease of use, and customizability. How does it compare with IRC and IM programs of today? It doesn?t have fancy colors or graphics, but to just sit down and talk with a group of people about whatever, I think it?s still a great program. I?ve recently set up a VAX system using SIMH, and Talk still runs under VMS 7.3 just fine. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA USA

23 years, 11 months

Introducing myself - Commodore PET

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

In late 1977, I began to hear about small computers that could fit on a tabletop. My grandfather, who was a very generous man, used to take me on Saturdays to various places, such as shopping, to the airport to watch the planes, etc. and one day I suggested we might go check out a new ?computer store? that had opened in Windsor Locks, CT (about 20 miles from my home). We went there several times, and marveled over the computers they had for sale (I believe they initially had Altair computers, and eventually started selling the Apple II). The Apple II seemed quite interesting, but was also quite expensive (for a 14-year old). Somehow we heard that a local store (called NEECO, which stood for New England Electronics Company, and primarily sold calculators) would soon be getting a new ?computer? in that was made by Commodore. Each week or so I?d stop in and see if they had it yet, and each week the answer was ?not yet, we?re still waiting?. Finally, they got one, and they gave me a demo of it. I couldn?t believe how compact the whole thing was, with the built-in monitor, keyboard and cassette drive. And it had a BASIC programming language that I liked. Yes, the Apple II also had BASIC (only Integer basic at that time, I suppose) and one of the main reasons I really felt at home with the PET is because the prompt it gave was ?READY?, which was like the RSTS/E prompt ?Ready? which I was familiar with. It sounds crazy, but that one little word gave me a warm feeling about the PET and made it so that I could identify with something I already knew. The Apple II ?>? prompt seemed very foreign to me. I spent many Saurdays down at NEECO talking with the others who came to marvel at the PET. The owners of the store were very generous in allowing us to congregate there, and chat about computers in general. I guess it was sort-of like a computer club, but we never formalized it as such. May of 1978 came. My grandfather came one Saturday, and I planned to go on our usual trip to NEECO. But, my grandfather opened the trunk, and out came my 15th birthday present, an 8K PET 2001 of my very own. One of the things I really liked about having a PET was that it was MY computer. I didn?t have to listen to some privileged system manager tell me what I could or couldn?t do. If I wanted to try something that might crash or lock up the computer, that was just fine. I felt in control of the system. NEECO did very well selling the PET computer. I believe they were one of the main sellers in New England, as they had a printed catalog which they mailed out, showing the systems, and software they had for sale. I don?t know for sure, but I think they did a fair amount of mail order business. Some of the people who spent their Saturdays at NEECO started writing software that went into the NEECO catalog, and the author would get a commission on every copy sold. One such program I fondly remember was Hal Wadleigh?s ?WAR GAMES? package, which had 4 games; one was an anti-aircraft firing game, one was a depth charge game, and I don?t remember the other two. These were interactive games which made good use of the PET graphics and I was awed by how someone could write a program in BASIC to make these games work. My dad and I wrote a game we called ?Masterbrain?, which was basically the game Mastermind. We put that in the catalog for sale. I wrote a shooter game I called ?Star Wars?, where fighter ships would come into your screen, and you?d have to align the gun onto them and fire. I was only 15, and I was very na?ve about things like name copyrights and trademarks. I probably made a couple hundred dollars total on commissions for the Star Wars game, but for a 15-year old in 1978, that seemed like an awful lot. One of the guys who spent some time on Saturdays at NEECO was Ted Scott. He was not only a good software developer, but he was also an electrical engineer and knew a lot about the hardware side of things. He developed a device for the PET which he called the ?Music Box?. It connected to one of the external ports, and had a speaker, and special software. One of the programs actually displayed music on a staff and played it on the Music Box. It was only one note at a time (monophonic) but this was quite a while before people starting using the ?CB2 line? (I think that?s what it was called) for sounds. The main difference between the Music Box and the later CB2 approach was that by poking a memory location, you?d only get a ?Click? out of the speaker, and you had to write timing loops to get different pitches. The CB2 approach used the 6522?s internal registers to determine what frequency to generate ? just set the frequency, and turn it ?on?, and then back ?off? when you wanted the sound to stop. One of the things the PET allowed me to do was go beyond BASIC programming. I started to learn about things like 6502 assembly language, and direct screen writing by store data into ?screen memory?. I did a little hacking with the Music Box to figure out what made it work. I then started writing my own 6502 routines which made sound effects from the speaker of the Music Box. I incorporated some of these sound effects into a newer version of my ?Star Wars? game and advertised it as supporting the Music Box for sound. As I recall, I don?t think I ever asked Ted Scott for permission to do this ? I just did it. But, I didn?t use any of his code ? just used the hardware if it was there ? so I may have sold some Music Box units for him. I wrote an awful lot of other programs for the PET. Many of them were just tinkerings, but they helped teach me many concepts about programming and computers. I got very interested in writing 6502 routines that could be called from a BASIC program, to do things faster than BASIC could do. I didn?t have a 6502 assembler that I liked ? the only one I had was tape based, and very cumbersome to use. So I learned to hand-assemble 6502. At one point, I had a good portion of the instruction set memorized. I could disassemble 6502 instructions in my head, and have a good idea of what a routine might do just by looking at the hex opcodes. One of the things the PET did not support was ?blinking? text on the screen, yet it had normal, and reverse letters. One of my neatest routines I wrote (in my mind, anyway) was a routine that would create blinking text. There was an area in memory where you?d POKE in the start row/col and length of the text you wanted to blink, then activate the routine, and it would cause that area to blink steadily (?in the background?). The routine hooked itself into the video interlace interrupt on the PET. You could change the flashing areas simply by POKEing new values into memory. One of the other programs that I wrote and sold through NEECO?s catalog was a word game called ?PROBE?. The basic idea was that each player (the human and the computer) would pick a word, and then try to guess the other player?s word. I entered a whole bunch of words from the dictionary for the computer to use, and also did some analysis on these words to give the computer some smarts when making guesses. For example, if the opponent had a ?T? showing with nothing before it, the computer knew what the most likely letter to precede ?T? is, and it would guess that. If that failed, it might try the second-most likely letter to precede ?T?, or see what other letters the opponent had showing and try to guess a letter before or after that. The logic worked quite well, and many games were evenly matched. One of the neatest things I recall is that Ted Scott took apart a Texas Instrument ?Speak & Spell? game and created an interface between it and the PET. He created some software that would access the Speak & Spell?s vocabulary and the computer could cause it to talk. He loaned me this modified Speak & Spell for a few days, and I modified my PROBE game to speak the letters as they were guessed. Could this possibly have been the first TALKING game? My dad and I worked on a Backgammon game. We devised a routine for the computer to make educated moves. I was the ?graphics guru? and my dad was the logical thinker, so we worked well on this project together. Unfortunately, the 8k PET memory didn?t give us enough space to refine our backgammon playing strategy as much as we wanted. Fortunately, a company called CompuThink was coming out with a memory expansion board that you could mount inside the PET to expand the memory up to 32K. NEECO ?loaned? (that?s what they said, but I often wonder if my grandfather purchased it) us a 24k expansion board to refine our Backgammon game. The CompuThink board also had 2 expansion ?slots?, and they soon came out with a floppy disk drive that you could plug into the board. This drive was out before Commodore?s floppy disk drive. I got a CompuThink disk drive which made my life much easier. Many ended up buying the Commodore disk drive, but I much preferred the CompuThink dual drive system for the PET. My dad got frustrated with not being able to get enough time for himself on the PET, and ended up buying an Apple II for himself. At first, I didn?t pay much attention to the Apple II, but over time I became intrigued with it?s graphics, capability to run a modem (which I couldn?t do with the PET), and a friend asked me to write some software on the Apple II for him, so the PET started to get less use. NEECO moved their store from Springfield to Needham, MA (near Boston) and our little Saturday informal group more or less broke up. I still have my PET, although I?m sure it is not operational. I did have some power supply problems at one time, which Ted Scott fixed. It ran fine for a while, but I believe the problems came back and that?s when I finally stopped using the PET. It has probably developed other problems that would keep it from running now also. I don?t think the CompuThink memory board is installed anymore, but I probably still have it. I know I still have the CompuThink disk drive. I can take some pictures of this equipment if anyone is interested. I?ve been able to restore some of my games that were saved to tape into a current PET simulator program by playing the tapes into a PC soundcard, and having a decoder program decode the sound on the tapes and store it in disk files. Unfortunately, most of my later (and better) PET work was saved on floppy disks. I believe I still have the disks, but have no idea if they still contain data, or how to go about getting them read into a PC. The programs I know I have recovered are PROBE, STAR WARS, and some version (I?m sure not the ?latest and greatest?) Backgammon. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA USA

23 years, 11 months

Introducing myself to the list

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

Hello, I've recently found this classic computers mailing list and I'm pleasantly surprised at how active it seems to be. I've been browsing sites related to computer history, classic computers, and emulators for a while now and have found a lot of interesting information, but this is the first active discussion group I've encountered. I am going to send several messages to the list regarding my experiences with various systems. These messages will in a way, introduce me to other list readers, and hopefully spark some discussion. I will try to keep the messages at a higher level describing who I am, where I came from, what I've done, etc. but would be happy to discuss anything in more detail either on the list, or privately via E-mail if it doesn't seem appropriate for the list. I?m also hoping these messages might lead me to some long lost ?friends?. I'll break my experiences up by computer system so that if you're not interested in a particular system, you don't have to read the message. I?ve tried to recall everything as best I can, but sometimes there are gaps of things I just don?t remember, or didn?t recall exactly right. It?s been a long time? My E-mail address is: bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com; please feel free to write me on any topic that may stem from my messages. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA USA

23 years, 11 months

looking for 44c256 chips.

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

only place i've found with a stock so far is jameco, and they want $2.50 a piece for them :(:(:( I need to fill out some old HP laserjet memory boards..... any suggestions on sources?

23 years, 11 months

IBM System 23

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I already have a S/23 but what I am really, really desperate for is the >I/O card for the 5246 external dual floppy disk drive. If >you have the drive, you have the card. Do you have the drive? I don't believe so. If I am correct, all I have are the all in one units, and one tower unit. All of which have built in dual floppies, no external floppies. The only accessory I ever had for them was the printers. >Also, do you have any software applications for the S/23, or more >importantly, any games? I will dig thru my software and see. I doubt I have any games, but the accounting program we were running was a custom written application, so I might have some kind of development system for them. The programmers were on staff, so I would think if they used anything special, the company owned it, and so I might still have it kicking around. I'll try to take a look this week (I need to make a decision on the systems soon anyway... the landlord is due in town, and he gets REALLY pissed when he finds I am blocking the hall with computers, so if I can reduce clutter by these monsters, I am all the happier). I at least know I have a few people on this list interested in them if I can't find buyers (I will probably try to eBay one of them and see what happens... I have to think out shipping logistics, I don't want to ship to a buyer and have it be trashed when it gets there). But no matter what, it looks like they won't have to hit the trash, so I am happy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

IBM System 23

by mythtech＠mac.com

Does the IBM System 23 hold any value these days? We FINALLY are off them (had one last application still running up until about 2 months ago). So I can now start unloading the ones I have. I am trying to decide if I should eBay them, or just give them away, or <shudder> throw them in the dumpster. I have 3 or 4 of the "all in one" units (screen, keyboard, dual 8" floppies all in one box), and I have one "tower" unit (dual drives in a tower box, screen and keyboard are seperate parts). I also have 3 or 4 printers. Beyond the above descriptions, I know almost nothing about these things, and almost as little about how to operate them... so they aren't something I really care to "collect". I will probably hang onto the tower unit and one printer (at least for the next 7 years, just in case the IRS comes knocking and we need to get info off the old software)... it was the last unit in service. The others were being held as spares in case the tower died, but since we finally got our one accounting application migrated to another system, I can afford to get rid of the spares. Anyone have any idea if I can got money for them, or should I just be happy to find a home other than the big metal box the "dustcart" (<- too much GTA3) collects twice a week. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

My trip down to Bath - Part 1

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

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23 years, 11 months

IBM System 23

by mythtech＠mac.com

>How heavy/large are they? Considering the 8" floppy drives, they're >pretty large I'm sure, but does someone have a guestimate? 50lbs? 100lbs? >200lbs? (specifically the all-in-one units) I just left work, so I can't put one on a scale, but I am going to say off memory, in excess of 50 pounds. But not in the 200 range (one person can carry one, but they are heavier than your average workgroup laser printer). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

IBM System 23

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I don't think there's much money in them. The problem is size. Things >that big and heavy don't generally fetch much on eBay, and they're not >compelling enough to overcome that problem. That's kind of what I was thinking would be a problem. I haven't put one on a scale, but I know the all in one model is a heavy beast (I'm going to guess in the range of 50+ pounds... light by the standards of many of the machines discussed here, but heavy when looking at shipping it somewhere) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

List of interesting stuff was RE: Time to share a source - W.J.Ford Surplus

by comproaz＠earthlink.net

Hello! While doing a Google search i found your page. Am looking to find information on HP 88140C 16 track tape cartridges for the HP 9144. Can they be used for anything else? Do they have a market other than the 9144 as I have a box of Sealed 5 x 600ft tapes and don't quite know what to do with them or how to market them? Any ideas would be appreciated! Susan Gonzales' Compro Data Networks comproaz(a)earthlink.net

23 years, 11 months

FREE: SGI IndigoR3K 2M SIMMs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 10, 0:08, Jochen Kunz wrote: > On 2002.05.09 22:37 Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > You shouldn't put a PSU from an R3K Indigo inot an R4K > Uuuups. To late. The R4k PSU is already dead an replaced by a R3k one... :-( Didn't anyone think of/try to repair them? Did they fail spectacularly or quietly? I could use a spare... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

Recent Spam and new classiccmp server status

by r.stek＠snet.net

Jay- First, thank you for taking on this task. I only read the posts every few days using the digest format, so I am VERY supportive of your two list solution if it can be worked out. I am sure that as I scan the digest and quickly skip over the OT posts I am missing some stuff of interest, but there are only so many hours in the day. Your proposed solution will make my reading much less time-consuming and more enjoyable and possibly allow me to respond and post a little more frequently myself. FWIW, I would support a more actively moderated single list, but that is just my preference. Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

23 years, 11 months

VAX VMS 7.2 hobbyist CD

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this, so please forgive me if I have made an error. I am looking for a copy, or a downloadable ISO image of the VAX VMS 7.2 hobbyist CD. This CD was previously available for order, but is now sold out. I E-mailed to the link on the VAX hobbyist page, and they told me that I can still obtain my own hobbyist license (which I have done) and borrow someone else's CD for installation. To me, this means that they don't mind the media being copied (as it's no longer available anyway) as long as each user still registers their own license. I don't expect anyone would be willing to make an ISO image of it available to the public. But, if someone could put it on a server somewhere and E-mail me a private link for download, that would be super. Or, if you're willing to snail mail me a copy, I'll pay your media and shipping costs. Thanks. - Bob Lafleur Springfield, MA

23 years, 11 months

Has the list gone dead?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Sellam wrote: > > Ignore me. Internet problems (again). > Yeah, I got a bounce from something sent to your usual e-mail address... Its timeliness has passed, so no worries... -dq

23 years, 11 months

Question about Data General One power

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is the power connector on the Data General one a DC input? Judging by the icon next to it, I think it is: - - - ----- Just wanted to make sure. If so, does someone have a spare power supply to trade, or know what the specs are? Thanks. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

Madge ISA Token NICs

by mythtech＠mac.com

>OK, this is on topic since the technology is over 10 years old, ISA is over >ten years old and the cards are more than likely also over ten years old. I >am looking for at least one, possibly more, Madge ISA Token Ring NICs - >hopefully of the Blue series. Anyone out there know where I could get some? >I really don't want to deal with eBay where they are about $8 US plus $6 >shipping (kinda excessive per card). I have the following Token Ring cards still in inventory: 11 - IBM, Auto 16/4 Token Ring, ISA, RJ45 DB9 08 - IBM, Auto 16/4 Token Ring, ISA, RJ45 13 - IBM, 16/4, ISA, RJ45 DB9 08 - IBM, 16/4 Token Ring, Microchannel, DB9 04 - IBM, 16/4, ISA, DB9 03 - IBM, Turbo 16/4 Token Ring, ISA, RJ45 DB9 01 - Intel, M#770400331 16/4, ISA, RJ45 DB9 01 - Madge, Smart 16/4 AT Plus Ringnode, ISA, RJ45 DB9 I used to have more than the one Madge, but I gave the others away to someone on this list already. You can have any or all of the above for the cost of shipping (and if you want to toss me a few bucks as well I won't object, but it isn't a requirement). All the cards are untested. They were removed from machines that were never under my care, so I don't know if they work or not, but I would guess they do, since they were removed during a mass migration to Ethernet... but like I said, they weren't under my control, and I haven't tested them, so you get what you get. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

Too much off topic

by bob＠copenhagen.cuug.ab.ca

My 2? worth: There is often too much off-topic discussion here for me to trawl through. If someone wants a forum to discuss politics or whatever there are many options that do not involve this mailing list. May I suggest: Usenet newsgroups (a HUGE number concerned with politics) Yahoo! groups or equivalent elsewhere Any number of newspapers and TV network web sites Setting up a separate mailing list (majordomo, or whatever) Politics is endlessly fascinating, frustrating, and fractious, but not here *please*! Let's all be happy nerds together. And on that note... I've got a couple of Xerox 1108 (DandeTiger) machines of which I am very fond and for which I would like to find more maintenance information. Anyone got a set of blueprints about their person? | the digital divide is an issue of poverty; Bob Bramwell 60 Baker Cr. NW | if we can eliminate the information ProntoLogical Calgary, AB | barriers, we'll all live in a safer, +1 403/861-8827 T2L 1R4, Canada | more prosperous world. | - John Gage, Sun's chief researcher.

23 years, 11 months

HP9100

by jrengdahl＠safeaccess.com

There's an HP 9100B on eBay. I learned to program on a machine just like this. It was the first computer I ever saw. My high school got one in 1971 when I was a senior, and life has never been the same since. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352137422 -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl jrengdahl at safeaccess dot com "The things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18

23 years, 11 months

Madge ISA Token NICs

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

OK, this is on topic since the technology is over 10 years old, ISA is over ten years old and the cards are more than likely also over ten years old. I am looking for at least one, possibly more, Madge ISA Token Ring NICs - hopefully of the Blue series. Anyone out there know where I could get some? I really don't want to deal with eBay where they are about $8 US plus $6 shipping (kinda excessive per card). -John ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

23 years, 11 months

JunkFest! Sneak Peek.

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just want to remind everyone that's interested about the JunkFest here in Orlando next Friday. We'll meet at Glen's shop (Acme Computers) at 9AM. (Hint, it's getting HOT here early so don't be late!) Contact me if you need directions. I'm still digging stuff out but here's a list of stuff that I've got laid out to bring so far; four heavy cloth bags that appear to be for KayPros, a TRS 4P computer with a stack of manuals, a DATA IO model 19 EPROM programmer (with both Expanded and Extended memory cards) with a GangPak and 2708 personality module, a bunch of Multi-bus cards, SGI Indigo case, (possibly) a HeathKit SweetP plotter, (possibly) early clean IBM PC with 48k RAM & monochrome monitor & keyboard, a couple of PAL programmer modules (303-11A plugin and the Logic Pak) for the DATA IO model 29 programmer, (possibly) a HP 85 with two serial interfaces and three ROMs (plotter, Matrix & IO). If anyone is seriously interested in any of this contact me and make sure that I bring what you want otherwise it may get left behind. Other stuff: Elf stuff & Prelimenary User's manual for the 6809 for Mike, RS-6000 RAM & SCSI docs for Sridhar. Joe

23 years, 11 months

Probably on topic - Free Agfa programmable printer's camera UK

by Lists＠joules.org

Apologies in advance if this is considered off topic, but I think it is about 10 years old and I think it has a microprocessor in it. This is being posted on behalf of a friend. He has an Agfa Repromaster 2200 II Camera which he no longer requires. This must be collected within the next week and was working when last used. If there are no takers then it will be scrapped. -- Regards Pete "Time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a banana"

23 years, 11 months

3100/76 cdrom woes

by fdebros＠verizon.net

Dear Chuck, I hooked a dec cd42a-rd to my vs3100/76 Correctly it is recognized after >>show dev as dka300, scsi 3 is set on the scsi box Then I stuff the netbsdvax iso CD in it, >>>boot dka300 and .... it stalls on an err 43 and 6 halt The scsibox is correctly terminated, it is `an original brand new dec scsi box.... What am I doin wrong? Fred

23 years, 11 months

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