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by mythtech＠mac.com

I know Jay said he isn't going to touch this until the new server settles down and the kinks are worked out... and that is fine... but I figured I would mention it as a mental note for when he can get the chance to look into things. BAD side effect to the subject preface... sorting by subject no longer works properly (at least not here, Claris Emailer 2.0v3, but I suspect others as well). Based on where the responding person's email client sticks the Re:, and based on if it has double prefaces, the subject will be sorted in different places. As a result, yesterday and today's posts have been listing all out of order. That makes it much harder to follow a thread, and near impossible to delete a topic in bulk that doesn't interest you. So just food for thought, and my vote to remove the subject preface entirely (at least the list server inserted one... manually inserting OT or WTB, or FS or whatever for certain postings isn't really a problem) Of course, this should really go private to Jay, but I can't find his addy right now (I am sure I will spot it right after sending this) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] In a bind-need ROMs for IBM laser printer

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I'm in a bit of a bind. I need a set of ROMs for the IBM 4019-E01 laser printer. I need to uninstall the PostScript option, which requires reinstalling 4 ROMs. Lexmark parts carries the U25/U26 ROMs but not the U27/U28 ROMs, so I would have to order a new controller board for lots of $$$. If someone has this printer and can copy these ROMs for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Alternatively, I'd take a controller board from a non-working 4019. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] First SGI Workstations?

by aek＠spies.com

> I am wondering what the first SGI workstation was There should be an SGI hardware FAQ that I contributed some info to on the web that shows the early products. The first Unix products were based on the SUN 68000 design and ran a swapping Unix (1400 series) Later 2000 and 3000 series Irises ran with paging and 68010'a and 020's The 68000 based machines did not have a directly addressable frame buffer, and the original IRIS display didn't really do bitblts very well, making it great for visualization, but pretty poor as a windowing workstation. There were a few diskless products that could be netbooted and used as terminals in the 1000 series, but I'm not sure what software they ran (I suspect it was some variant of the Stanford V kernel)

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] RE: scanners & circuit boards..

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Glass is opaque to UV so you won't erase EPROMs either. EPROMs don't have UV-opaque glass windows, .. Scanners do though. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: Keycap cleaning strategy

by dougq＠iglou.com

> They don't scratch. And no reasonable keyboard has the lettering put on in > such a way that it would rub off in a washing machine. If that were the > case, the legending would rub off in normal use. Nearly all decent keys > are two-part moulded. The best keyboards are... but some use silkscreening, and worse, all the laptops I've seen in the last few years except for perhaps the iBook abd the PowerBook (I'll check the Powerbook when I get home) use decals... and yes, they sure do rub off from normal use. Now, if lusers would wash the grease of their hands a few times each day, those decals would stay in place a little longer... -dq

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] RE: transistor counts again"

by dougq＠iglou.com

> > I find that hard to believe. The 4004 was part of a chipset containing > > the 4001 (ROM), 4002 (RAM) and 4003 (I forget exactly what, some kind of > > I/O?). The 4001 and 4002 parts were used in lots of 4004 or 4040-based > > designs. > > And according to Ted Hoff, it was quite by accident that it ended up with > part number 4004. Coincidence and all. Most companies that manufacture stuff just choose a starting number for what they anticipate might be a series of things. Then they just add one. Some of you might remeber a YES album from the 80s titled '90125'... the title wasn't known in advance, as they'd decided the title would simply be the same as the Atlantic Records serial number that would end up being assigned to that album once it was finally scheduled for manufacture. Additionally, that decision came at a time when the band wasn't called YES< but CINEMA, but that's veering way OT. Anyway, eventually, either marketing comes in with their own ideas about numbers, or the lawyers do: The Intel iAPX286 microprocessor had the part number 80286, by which it was more colloquially known. The Intel iAPX386, a chip for which I have the "confidential" pre- liminary specifications, would have had the part number 80386. But in a successful effort to wiggle out of the technology- swapping agreement they had with AMD, they decided not to produce the iAPX386. Instead, they produced the 80386, which also "coincidently" had the part number 80386. FWIW, the iAPX386 specification did not include the virtual 8086 mode that was present in the 80386. I always wonder what amazing things might have been put on that silicon instead of V8086 mode. Yes, V8086 mode is very useful for PeeCees, but of little use for modern, non-DOS-related operating systems. -dq

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Test post and DEC Unix question

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

--- Rick Murphy <rmurphy(a)itm-inst.com> wrote: > At 03:49 PM 5/14/02 -0700, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >I'm trying to break into (my own) DEC Alpha running Digital Unix V3.2... > Use: > >>> b -flags 0,1 dkc0 Why the 0? I did this (Thanks, Doc!) >>> b dkc0 -flags 1 ... and I got in just fine. > Once you're in single-user mode, "mount -r /" to remount the root... Right. I know what to do once I'm in. The only thing that threw me about Digital Unix vs other stuff I've used is that if you _don't_ use vipw to edit the passwd file, you have to manually run mkpasswd to update the hashed password file (I'm used to a shadow file, or, for older stuff, _just_ the /etc/passwd file and nothing else). > ...mount -a to get everything mounted... In my experience, if you intend to go from single-user mode to multi-user (i.e., you don't reboot from single-user), it's safest to not leave anything mounted that isn't mounted when you got your prompt. I'm not saying this is the case for Digital Unix, but for older BSDish stuff I used in the past, if you, say, mounted /usr/home while in single user mode, then ^D to exit your shell and allow the system to start up, but haven't unmounted /usr/home first, the startup scripts complain about a busy mount point or some other complaint. I always leave the system the way I found it, which is / mounted read-only, everything else unmounted. What you suggest might work these days, but I cut my teeth on 4.0BSD and Ultrix 1.1. This is just my first experience with Digital Unix on an Alpha. Still curious about the "0" in your sample line, though. Thanks for the tip, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Sol computer emulator, Solace, updated to version 3.1

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I've just updated my Sol-20 web site with the latest version of my emulator for the Sol, Solace. Solace runs only under win32 OS's (or OS's that can emulate a win32 system, such as Wine under Linux or SoftPC on the Mac). Here's a link to the Sol Archive: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html Follow the links to get to the emulator, which is now at version 3.1. Source code is included. What's new since 3.1? + emulation of sound for the P.T. Music System software + sound effects. Just as irritating as a real Sol. Idea from Bob Stek. + support for source-level assembly language debugging in the built-in debugger. + in the debugger, there is now a splitter bar that lets you decide how much of the screen is used for disassembly vs command history. + a few bug fixes, including suppressing the annoying bell sound every time a command was entered into the debugger. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] HD repair techniques?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > The drives are both a Conner CFS1275A, 1.2GB, 3 platters, 6 > surfaces. I'm > starting to suspect the top surface of the upper platter is the servo > surface, due to the behavior of the drive when it failed. Can anyone > confirm if this is the case, or if these type of drive even > use a servo I don't know much about the drive, but I think I may have another spare floating around (dead, of course, but it's been years, and I can't tell you the mode of failure). Let me know if you need more parts, and I'll check. > surface? The 1275A doesn't quite yet meet the 10 year rule, > but with all > the experts here, I figure someone is bound to know more about these > drives then I currently do. I think I took the brunt of the assault with my car post, don't worry ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] List confusion? (was TRS-80 Model 1)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > Err, you're right. This new list is too confusing. Hmm, the idea as I understood it was pretty simple. cctalk gets everything, cctech has the OTs filtered out. Right? Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: Keycap cleaning strategy

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > When cleaning keycaps on real IBM PC keyboards (5150), all of the keys > EXCEPT the space bar pop off easily. But if you remove the space bar, > than reassembly of the space bar is more work than the combined total of > the other keys. The OmniKey's space bar is a bit more difficult to take off and reattach too. So when reassembling, do the big keys with supporting widgetry first. You may find it helps to do this before putting the keyboard back in its shell too, especially for the space bar which is right up against the shell. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Keycap cleaning strategy

by lists＠subatomix.com

I'm going to clean a Sun 3 keyboard today. Its keycaps are filthy. The strategy I've used in the past for the keycaps is: * Goto the kitchen. There is a double sink there. * Fill one sink with hot, soapy water and the other will cold, non-soapy water. * Dump the keycaps into the hot sink and let them soak for a while. * Slosh the keycaps around a bit. * Transfer the keycaps to the cold water. If necessary, wipe grime from each one as it is transferred. * Arrange the keycaps for drying. Dry them with a hair dryer. * Test for dryness by tapping a table with a keycap. If any water drops appear on the table, repeat the previous step. I have a dishwasher, but I don't trust it. -- Jeffrey Sharp The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please send off-list mail to roach jay ess ess at wasp subatomix beetle dot com. You may need to remove some bugs first. _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] transistor counts again

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Looking for information on 16x4 ram (74F219), I came across the the discussion of how many transistors are in a 6502. Did anybody ever get a answer to that? A simple 16 bit cpu like the the toy/2 runs at about 3300 transitors. A a simple stack machine about 3500???. Does anybody have the transistor count for the PDP-8 chip 6100? or the forgotton PACE-16 cpu by national. The SCAMP and PACE chips don't seem to have a web page up anywhere on the web! -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] scanners & circuit boards...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Two factors here. One is that the scanner doesn't have a lot of the right wave length light. Two is that even a piece of paper will absorb +99% of any of the UV that would erase it. As long as there is something over the windows ( almost anything ), I wouldn't worry. When I was at Intel, we placed some 1702A's in direct sun light for several weeks without data loss. A few seconds in a scanner would most likely have little effect. If you are concerned, put some black electrical tape over any windows. If you don't believe that will block the light try doing it on a separate EPROM and put it under an eraser light ( you'll see what I mean when I say that even a piece of paper is quite effective, even in a strong UV light ). >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >So long as you cover the windows of any UV-eraseable parts with somethng truly >opaque, e.g. a bit of aluminum foil under some cellophane tape,I think you'll >be OK, Jeff. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:09 PM >Subject: [CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards... > > >> What's everyone's thoughts on placing circuit boards directly >> on the bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to >> the board from the light or other parts of the scanner? I've done it >> before with good results but not with anything truly unique. >> >> Jeff >> -- >> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File >> http://www.cchaven.com >> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 >> _______________________________________________ >> cctech mailing list >> cctech(a)classiccmp.org >> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >> _______________________________________________ >> cctalk mailing list >> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >cctalk mailing list >cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [CCTECH] Orlando junkfest, anybody want a Sony MO drive?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I have a Sony SMO_D501 MO drive with the separate C501 controller card all mounted in a case with PS. Does anyone that's coming to the junkfest want it? If I don't hear from a taker by morning it's going in the trash. Joe _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: Subject Lines

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > Can the [CCTALK] & [CCTECH] be shortened to something that does't take up > most of the the viewable subject line? I read most CLASSICCMP mail via Yesterday I sent Jay e-mail about subject tags and footers, and he wrote back that he'd look at them when he got a chance. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] HD repair techniques?

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Well, today I lost the first drive in years due to a head crash. The data it contained wasn't extremely important, since I can reconstruct it given time, but sadly, I didn't have a listing of the drive's contents. After getting the air reasonable clean in a makeshift clean-room, I took a look at the platters, and found the topmost surface of the upper platter is the one that took damage. (If I decide to do any serious work on the drive, I'll have to build a clean-box...) I'd like to get the drive to a state where I can at least get a directory listing, but the data it contained isn't worth what it would cost to send it off for 'professional' recovery, especially since those shops tend to charge a small fortune for Linux e2fs formatted drives. I have another drive that is identical to the one that failed, so I have donor parts to repair it with. The second drive has a bad head, but it affects one of the lower platters. I've never had to replace a head before, so I'm looking for advice, or even a step by step guide to replacing it. The drives are both a Conner CFS1275A, 1.2GB, 3 platters, 6 surfaces. I'm starting to suspect the top surface of the upper platter is the servo surface, due to the behavior of the drive when it failed. Can anyone confirm if this is the case, or if these type of drive even use a servo surface? The 1275A doesn't quite yet meet the 10 year rule, but with all the experts here, I figure someone is bound to know more about these drives then I currently do. -Toth

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] RE: [CCTECH] TRS-80 Model 1

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Sellam Ismail > > ... > > Note: As a benefit to those here on the cctech side of the list who value > topical messages, I am only sending these many referrals I receive every > month to cctech. > ...... > > -- > Ummm, aren't all cctech messages supposed to automatically get sent to cctalk also? If so, then that 'benefit' wouldn't exactly work they way you intend, Sellam... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Subject Lines

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > Can the [CCTALK] & [CCTECH] be shortened to something that does't > > take up most of the the viewable subject line? > > I'd like to vote to get rid of them altogether. I'm quite capable of > filtering list mail into folders without them. I would agree. On my Mac I had filters setup to deal with CLASSICCMP, and under 'elm', the long subject lines are a nightmare. Zane

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [larrys@lexis-nexis.com: [rescue] Excellent news]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

FYI, about ftp.digital.com... ----- Forwarded message from Larry Snyder <larrys(a)lexis-nexis.com> ----- From: Larry Snyder <larrys(a)lexis-nexis.com> To: rescue(a)sunhelp.org Subject: [rescue] Excellent news Reply-To: rescue(a)sunhelp.org Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:44:47 -0400 (EDT) I lifted this shamelessly from another list.... -ls- > From: Paul Vixie > Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Goodbye to ftp.digital.com? > > I have just communicated with the operators of gatekeeper.dec.com (with > whom ftp.isc.org shares a cage at PAIX) and was told two things. > > 1. HP plans to fully support gatekeeper (now that the merger is done), > and has approved a 1-Terabyte expansion to its disk storage subsystem; > > 2. ftp.digital.com is no longer the same computer as gatekeeper.dec.com, > it's a machine on the east coast somewhere. > > I've asked whether there's any problems looming for ftp.digital.com, and > I'll report back here if I hear anything. but gatekeeper.dec.com (which > I had a hand in creating back during my 1998-1993 stint at dec.com) is > absolutely safe from harm. _______________________________________________ rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] test

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Dammed quite list! I haven't gotten anything from it except the test messages. Joe At 10:11 AM 5/15/02 -0400, Jeff wrote: >> Steve wrote: I sent a test yesterday but, it was refused. Said I wasn't on the >>list. Wonder if this one will go through? > > Came through fine > > _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: [CCTECH] Keycap cleaning strategy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 15, 14:11, <pdp11(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > I'm going to clean a Sun 3 keyboard today. Its keycaps are filthy. The > > strategy I've used in the past for the keycaps is: [...] > > I have a dishwasher, but I don't trust it. > > I've had pretty good luck cleaning the caps on Sun keyboards without removing them. By using a good quality commercial spray cleaner sprayed on a cloth, you can get them looking almost like new. If they were really bad, I could see taking them off and soaking them. > > The dishwasher would be a bad idea. You could easily end up with a bunch of little bits of melted plastic and a broken dishwasher. I've done it with a bowl of warm water and the sort of low-foam detergent used for cleaning floors, then a rinse. I've also done it with the sort of spray cleaner used for kitchen worktops. Either way, many of the caps usually need some rubbing with a cloth or fingers -- if they're dirty enough to need cleaned, they need some help. I often add a little water-based furniture polish at the end to help give them a nice sheen I wouldn't use a dishwasher. The water temperature isn't a problem, but the caps are just too small and light to stay where you put them, and if one falls beside the heating element, it will be destroyed. If I'm *really* lazy, I tie them up in a pillowcase and put them in the (clothes) washing machine, and follow up with the tumble drier. No.1 tip: make a note of the layout before you take the keycaps off. It all looks very logical until you actually try to put *every one* of the symbol keys back in the right place. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

"[CCTALK] CPU temperature monitoring

by dougq＠iglou.com

> I'm sure that most of you are aware that many of the newer > Intel and clone processors are real heat generators and that > it's critical to keep them with specified temperature limits. > I downloaded and installed a CPU and motherboard temperture > monitoring program called MotherBoard Monitor. My question > is how accurate are these types of programs? On CPU intensive > task my CPU frequently pegs out the temperature gauge in the > MBM but the BIOS temperature monitoring never shows any > indication of overheating. There is a calibration procedure you can go through, it's all in the documentation... -dq

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] CPU temperature monitoring

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I'm sure that most of you are aware that many of the newer Intel and clone processors are real heat generators and that it's critical to keep them with specified temperature limits. I downloaded and installed a CPU and motherboard temperture monitoring program called MotherBoard Monitor. My question is how accurate are these types of programs? On CPU intensive task my CPU frequently pegs out the temperature gauge in the MBM but the BIOS temperature monitoring never shows any indication of overheating. Joe

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] delays in posting

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Most people aren't seeing delays in postings appearing on the list, but some are... here's why... You have to put from the exact email address that you are subscribed with. If you mail server is munging that for some reason, the posts are considered to be from non-subscribers and I have to manually approve them, hence the delay. More to the point, I'm getting a few list members posts for moderation every time, because they apparently have a problem with the BCC or CC fields. I am not sure what's going on with that, but it only affects certain list members. Until I get some time (later today or tomorrow perhaps) to dig into exactly why that happens, those users posts will be slow because I have to approve them. I do check for posts needing approval VERY frequently during the day and night, but with the current workload still working on the list setup, this isn't probably quite as frequent as those affected list members might like. I'm trying! Jay West

23 years, 11 months

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