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by pat＠purdueriots.com

I just got one of these. It powers up, the lights on the back flicker nicely, and it appears to be outputting crap to the MMJ serial port labeled '3', but for the life of me I can't figure out what speed it's at. I've tried minicom at 300,1200,2400,4800.9600.19200,38400, and 57600 with no success. I've even tried 7-N-1 and 7-E-1 (7bits no/even parity and 1 stopbit) along with 8-n-1, no luck. Anyone have more of a clue than I do? -- Pat

23 years, 11 months

MicroVAX 3100/90

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>I just got one of these. It powers up, the lights on the back flicker >nicely, and it appears to be outputting crap to the MMJ serial port >labeled '3', but for the life of me I can't figure out what speed it's at. >I've tried minicom at 300,1200,2400,4800.9600.19200,38400, and 57600 with >no success. I've even tried 7-N-1 and 7-E-1 (7bits no/even parity and 1 >stopbit) along with 8-n-1, no luck. There should be a little slide switch at the back. When it is up it will use that port (3 - with the printer icon) at whatever speed: usually 9600 8-N. I've never tried via a minicom - do you have a dumb terminal, preferably a VT200/300/400 and a known good set of connectors and cables? Antonio

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Commodore 1541 Drive

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I'm trying to get one, and wondering what success people have had with connecting them to a PC using "X-Cables" and "Star commander" to transfer data ( http://sta.c64.org/sc.html ). Also, is there any chance of making a 1541 read an Apple ][ disk? I know they both use GCR encodings for their disks, and it'd be really useful if I could read disks on my PC. Also, does anyone know anywhere I could get a Compaticard (and any necessary drivers to make it useful)? I've looked on ebay a few times now and still haven't seen one... -- Pat

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] transistor counts again

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

One of the 4's was for the bus size. It was a multiplexed synchronous bus. It had 8 phases. 3 were for address and one was for the rom. One or two were alu and I don't recall what the other was for but I think it was bank selects. Each device would watch the instruction and would do the right thing ( I/O or RAM ) when it's time came around. One might call it smart I/O. This way, the processor didn't have to have the additional pins to select the function for the bus. Dwight >From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 16 May 2002, Tony Duell wrote: > >> I find that hard to believe. The 4004 was part of a chipset containing >> the 4001 (ROM), 4002 (RAM) and 4003 (I forget exactly what, some kind of >> I/O?). The 4001 and 4002 parts were used in lots of 4004 or 4040-based >> designs. > >And according to Ted Hoff, it was quite by accident that it ended up with >part number 4004. Coincidence and all. > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > >_______________________________________________ >cctalk mailing list >cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Subdivide further Jay

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Damn after being away 2 weeks my mailbox was jammed with msg's. Here's a suggestion to cut down the traffic. I've long thought that CC should be subdivided into micros and minis. I imagine many scroll down the messages and delete anything related to DEC PDP, VAX, and any other mini stuff like I do, and I'm sure the mini and big iron people do the same. There seems to be almost a pattern of mini, then micro threads that happen as can be seen in the archives. I do occasionally enjoy the mini threads, but usually I just delete them. And that goes back to 97 or so. I also get the impression that the mini folk are annoyed in general with the micro traffic. Cool, don't spit on my Amiga and I won't spit on your PDP. It would be easy to subscribe to both lists for those who have a broader perspective, but would ease up on those of us who don't. Just looking to optimise my time. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Good Trip / good Score

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Just did a trip to BC from Central Manitoba. That's in Canada, eh, Yank. Thanks to Alex W. I picked up a Dec Rainbow+ w/color card and a DEC VR240 and a DEC printer and some PS/2 stuff. Finally I have one as a DEC Rainbow should be - in color In Vancouver I hit the mother lode. I had also arranged to pick up there an Osborne I w/manuals, software, and a 12"x12" Summa graphics Tablet w/4 directional mouse. Also a box of viginal 8" diskettes. Van is great for yard sales and also they do a spring garbage blow-out. PICKIN" TIME !! An Amiga 1000 that I almost missed cause it was still in it's styro pkgng. Same garbage, a clean C-64C with PSU, nice 1802 , and a 1541 fdd. Mac keyboard, LT mouse, large wheel mouse, box of C64 disks, Lloyds TV Sports Gamer, and passed on a Tandy ARM at $15 (which I now regret.) 3x IBM newer PS/2 machines and an integrated AST, several 15' SVGA monitors. A box with about 50 TRS-80 zines A box of Intellivision carts and about 8 Adam tapes, A SHARP PC 3000. After cleaning out the battery compartment and using new batteries it worked. DOS 3.1 w/a pcmcia card whose Li. battery is surely dead as is the notepad's. And many non-computer items. The Sharp 3k is a neat little 8088 handheld about the size of an Atari Portfolio. Sharp brought it out after high sales of it's Poqet but retreated when some of the heavier-duty co's. attacked that market Based on the numerous site info it's a great machine related somehow to the HP95. At least it can use the HP PCMCIA's if I understood correctly.( IIUC) Anyone here a fan of this hand-held ? Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

23 years, 11 months

IBM Series/1

by martinm＠allwest.net

I've run into an IBM Series/1 computer available for the hauling. I need advice as to whether it is worth saving. Space is somewhat tight and it is a large rack (requiring 220 VAC), printer and, supposedly, a console terminal. Relevant part numbers are: 4955 IBM Processor, Series/1 4963 IBM Disk Subsystem 4965 IBM Diskette Drive and I/O Expansion Unit 4975 Printer Some googling indicates that it ran an OS called EDX (Event Driven Executive?). I found some mention of a *nix that ran on it. The computer was released around 1976. This one was working when retired years ago. The rack and printer are in a basement and the console terminal, some manuals, etc. are supposed to be in a storage unit. Specs that I have found show that the disk is a 68 MB drive that weighs about 150 pounds alone. Is saving this computer worth the aching back? Anybody have advice, war stories, links or other information on this old beast? Thank you, Martin Marshall

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] RE: [CCTECH] TRS-80 Model 1

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Sellam Ismail > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > > Note: As a benefit to those here on the cctech side of the list who > value > > > topical messages, I am only sending these many referrals I receive > every > > > month to cctech. > > > > Ummm, aren't all cctech messages supposed to automatically get sent > > to cctalk also? If so, then that 'benefit' wouldn't exactly work they > way > > you intend, Sellam... > > Err, you're right. This new list is too confusing. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Well, not really. cctech is moderated, to help block spam, and keep out the OT messages. it is also sent to cctalk, so everyone can see all the messages. cctalk is just that. A big room full of conversations that go anywhere... cctalk are getting the messages from here, right? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] EPROM Life... Was: scanners & circuit boards...

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Now, I don't know the construction/nature of the tubes used in scanners, but I myself would be wary of photocopying or scanning a PC board with an unprotected (i.e. uncovered) EPROM window face-down on the scanning surface. My reasoning is as follows; Although a fluorescent tube in good condition shouldn't emit much UV, one has to remember the way such a bulb functions. The excited gas inside the tube emits almost entirely in the UV spectrum. This is converted to the visible spectrum by the phospor coating on the inside surface of the tube. Over time, I have seen some of the coating flake off the inside of old flourescent tubes, providing a bunch of small UV "windows". Most UV Eproms begin to erase when exposed to UV wavelengths shorter than 4000 A (Angstroms). I found the following statement concerning EPROM sensitivity to UV light on page 10-9 of the National Semiconductor 1984 "CMOS Databook" (and yes, I _am_ a packrat when it comes to old databooks :-) concerning the 27C16 (a very common older type of EPROM): Erasure Characteristics: "... It should be noted that sunlight and certain types of fluorescent lamps have wavelengths in the 3000 A - 4000 A range. Data shows that constant exposure to room-level flourescent lighting could erase the typical NMC27C16 in approximately 3 Years, while it would take approximately 1 week to cause erasure when exposed to direct sunlight..." Also, one must keep in mind that the timeframes listed above are probably derived from studies of "freshly programmed" eproms. Most of the ones we would be interested in would already have a number of years of charge decay under their belts. I was unable to find a reference to a finite lifetime for UV Eproms, but I seem to vaguely recall that there is a limit (~10 Years? sounds short, but I seem to remember reading it somewhere. Does anyone have this number at hand?) The end result of all this is that if you have any equipment you consider valuable, and it has windowed EPROMS, make certain that the windows are covered with an opague sticker. You might also consider dumping their contents to a data file for archival purposes. (and possibly re-programming them to effectively "refresh" them). -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:16 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards... > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > What's everyone's thoughts on placing circuit boards directly on the > > bed of a scanner for imaging? Any possibility of damage to > the board > > from the light or other parts of the scanner? I've done it before > > with good results but not with anything truly unique. > > I'd be more concerned with accidentally scratching the glass > bed of the > scanner due to sharp component leads. I guess that there is a slight > possibility of degrading the contents of an EPROM if its window isn't > covered. The fluorescent tube the scanner uses to illuminate the bed > really shouldn't be emitting too much in the way of UV or > near UV light > though. Other than UV erasable components that don't have their window > covered, I can't think of anything else I'd be concerned about. > > -Toth > > _______________________________________________ > cctalk mailing list > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk >

23 years, 11 months

DEC 3000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Kolb [mailto:dankolb@ox.compsoc.net] > turn it into a VMS system - would 400Mb hard drive be enough > to have a > working VMS + DECWindows + Multinet (and various useful internet > programs, like IRC ;-)? Also, would there be any potential Plenty of room. I have a disk no larger than 300M with VMS 7.2 for VAX, DECWindows, DECNet, UCX (by any other name), etc, and space left. Of course, I use a separate, external 600MB disk for user home directories and the like. I wouldn't except the Alpha version is much larger. Just be careful not to overload it with stuff you won't use. > problems with > simply pulling the CD drive out of my 3000/400, sticking it into the > 3000/300L, and booting VMS from the CD? Are they both single-ended SCSI? My guess is no problems at all. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

drivel

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > > Wasn't the DEC 3000 an early Turbochannel Alpha system? Or am I all > > mixed up? > You are absolutely right. Just checking. I always thought that Merle would be busy hauling more sensational things... not that I dislike Turbochannel Alpha systems ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

drivel

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Merle K. Peirce [mailto:at258@osfn.org] > "DEC 3000" Anyone familiar with this? Also we were given an Echo I Wasn't the DEC 3000 an early Turbochannel Alpha system? Or am I all mixed up? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

DEC 3000

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Gordon Zaft > > At 01:40 PM 5/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >On Fri, 17 May 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > > > > > That aside, we received an interesting donation today, an HP700 with > 660 > > > drive, also a7580? plotter and a Decstation 5000. Also in the lot was > a > > > "DEC 3000" Anyone familiar with this? Also we were given an Echo I > > > optical storage system. We were told it may have a Sun 1 cpu, Anyone > > > familair with this system? > > > >We've got a DEC 3000 at the ACCRC (Alameda County Computer Resource > >Center). So far it's been saved from the recycle bin but I'm not quite > >sure what to do with it yet. More accurately, it's been sitting in > >another part of the warehouse and hence is out of mind. It'll probably > >end up going into the VCF Archives. > > It's an Alpha-based system, runs VMS, Tru64 and NetBSD at > least. There's some info at: > > http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/models.html > On the back should be a sticker with more info, to tell you if its a 300, 400, 500, or whatever model... My 3000/400 is running pretty nice, I just need to find more memory for it... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] cctalk list (CHANGES)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > > If that's the case, I don't think that will work. > Yes, it will work, but the responsibility is the choice of > the list member, > not mine. If one wants to see posts on both, they should join > both lists. > However, keep in mind that most people won't want to join > both, they will > only want one or the other. In the end, it's the users choice. Of course it would be possible for anyone who wants to be seen on cctech to join that list too, specifying that the mail from cctech shouldn't be delivered to your account, since you'll already get it >from cctalk, and then just send any posts which are squarely on topic there. They'd be bounced to cctalk, and everyone will see them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTECH] List problems?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:38:06PM -0400, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Nah, just seems that everybody took a long lunch, according to Dooug > Q... It was just kind of eery the way the messages just stopped. I had > (wrongly!) thought that the list server bombed. But it didn't... :-) I think Jay is still working on getting gatewaying between the two lists working properly. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

E&S PS-390

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com] > I'd love to have at least one of those. Don't know if I'll have > the cash, though :/ That was actually supposed to go to Pat -- sorry guys. Anyway, the jig is up now, I do like E&S. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Rants

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers(a)nop.org> > I understand the thinking behind bifurcation of the list, > but this wont quell the foamy mouth shout-down/shoot-down > crowd that lay claim to that manufactured "civil" right > to protection against speach that they find offensive. Jay -- I find Mr. Moyers' speech to be offensive in the context of this list. In it, I found no reference to computers, or anything related to them. Additionally, he implicitly invokes our right to free speech, but seems to forget that this is a private mailing list, which means our rights may be limited here. As far as I understand it, we may say what we want on this list, but we may be banned from the list if we go too far. I think you have done a great job of splitting up the list and moving it to a new server and software. However, I would like to protect myself from Mr. Moyers' offensive rants. Since this is a private list, is there any mechanism for banishment of gross repeat offenders? It seems to me that very few subscribers would want to keep receiving the sort of messages Mr. Moyers continues to send. Glen 0/0

23 years, 11 months

E&S PS-390

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > I saw a pair of Evans & Sutherland PS-390's (small end table > sized) down > at Purdue Salvage today. I was wondering if they had any > value... I saw a > few cables for them and keyboard and a digitizing tablet, but > no monitors. I'd love to have at least one of those. Don't know if I'll have the cash, though :/ Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Torquil MacCorkle III [mailto:torquil@rockbridge.net] First off, since I wasn't able to send this to cctech, I'll assume for now that the messages we send to this list are automatically forwarded for approval, or something like that. > Does SGI have a timeline or anything up anywhere. I am > wondering what > the first SGI workstation was(R2000 right?). I know they made > terminals > before that, But i am just wondering about workstations. They have a "periodic table of IRISes." Google ought to have some of them. Their first workstation was the IRIS 2000, I think. Or do you mean desktop workstation? :) The IRIS 2000 was based on a motorola 680xx chip of some kind. Their first smaller workstation was a "personal IRIS" system. It was a tower case. After that, the Indigo. I know specifically that the first Indigos used R3000 CPUs, but you'll have to look up the ones used in Personal IRIS and IRIS 2000. Also look at IRIS 3000, and IRIS Professional (I think those are the ones) systems, which were produced in between. (In that order) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] RE: Rants

by dougq＠iglou.com

> On Friday 17 May 2002 06:14, you wrote: > > > I think the obvious answer comes from the Church of the Subgenius: > > your first duty as a member is to form your own splinter sect. > > > > By putting each Classic Computer Collector in their own > > separate mailing list, we'll reduce the number of offended, > > minus those who can successfully argue with themselves > > either by virtue of nature, nuture or medication. > > Arent there variants of Eliza type programs that can do just that ? Raymond, some of us were wondering if it might not be the case that Raymond Moyers was such a program... > A lefty bot would be easy to program, it would need only > the standard reflexive stack of responses, and need have > no input or sensation of reality. Which would be no different than a righty bot, a Scientology Bot, etc. > Raymond > > Jimmy Carter said Monday he saw no evidence that Cuba makes > biological weapons. Last year he saw no evidence North Korea > makes nuclear weapons. It doesn't look dignified when a former > president campaigns that openly to be Archbishop of Boston. . > -- Argus Hamilton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Although I don't think *anyone* on the list cares, it is usual and customary, when quoting people who are not widely known by a particular readership, to provide a statement as to who the person is who is being quoted. For example: > -- Argus Hamilton, right-wing comedian Otherwise, such quotes fall out of the category of commentary and into the category of propaganda... If you really are motivated by an altruistic desire to enlighten people with whom you view you have something special in common (the interest or love of vintage computing systems), let me tell you, the way you (and others) go about it does not work. OTOH, if self-expression is your goal, why not just set up a web page and thread it onto as many search engines as you can, and perhaps include a url in your .sig that points to it? Or join in one of the many unmoderated USENET newsgroups which deal with this sort of communication by design? Again, you have clearly have good experience with Unix systems which the list would benefit from. But if you keep this ranting up, everyone will just start to filter you out. -dq

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] cctalk list (CHANGES)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Jay West wrote: > > <good stuff> > > > > Regards, > > > > Jay West > > Did anyone actually say "Thanks" yet? This is the smoothest list > transition I've ever been through. > > Thanks! > > Doc > I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a standing ovation for Jay... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [CCTECH] List problems?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Hello? Is there anybody out there? Traffic from this list completely and suddenly stopped... Seems odd, considering the way some of the threads were going... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] SGI / DEC Flirtation with NT/mips alpha

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org] > Dec has out in the field a bare few of these NT running > alphas that for reasons im not certain of cannot run Unix > ( something to do with the firmware ? other differences ? > thats my understanding anyway) On some systems, it was, indeed, only firmware. The reason that VMS, or OSF/1 didn't work on these varies, though, from "just firmware" to "we did something strange with the design of this one." Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Good Trip/Score Dec Rainbow, preformatted media

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers(a)nop.org>: .... >> Thanks to Alex W. I picked up a Dec Rainbow+ w/color card and a DEC >> VR240 and a DEC printer > > Isnt that one of those machines that need preformatted media ? > > Im not very knowlegable about VAX variants but i read about > a certain small vax 2000? prized for its ability to prepare > hard disks (flaw map/disk label) for the larger vaxen that > lacked the ability to do it themselves. Rainbow *can* format its own floppies. There is a similar DEC machine (Pro? Decmate? Help, somebody?) that cannot, and some Rainbows make their living as formatters for people that own the other machine. I don't know whether there's an analogous situation for VAX 2000, etc. The inability to format own media *is* a major and needless PITA, one of DEC's crummier decisions, IMO. - Mark

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] Re: Tax Software Wanted

by appleone＠mac.com

Gene, I have the last 3 years of TaxCut for the Macintosh. Tell him to make an offer if he is interested. Thanks, Steve --

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