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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Not AFAIK. It's the TK50Z-FA doesn't play nice with others. Well, then he should be fine ;) Sorry -- I have both, and haven't paid much attention to model numbers for a while. > > Well, I've never heard of anyone getting it to work with anything > > else. :) You could try it. It's the one without the ID selector, > > right? > Nope... the -FA is lacking the ID selector (device '5' always, ISTR) > and doesn't like sharing the bus with anyone else. That's interesting -- so you might be able to plug it into a MicroVAX 3100 with dual SCSI busses, for instance, if you allowed it to take the whole bus for itself. (what a waste :) > you could put -FA ROMs in it for use with a MicroVAX 2000, but I Probably would need set to ID 5. > don't know that you are required to do that. I don't own a -GA > to test the theory, just a few -FAs. I have one, but really would rather not swap the ROMs around just now. I'll eventually get a programmer and save the ROMs in everything I've got to a CD or something like that -- at that point, maybe I'll try it. > You will not enjoy depending on a TK50 as a primary backup device. > It holds 95MB *max* per tape (it streams and if there isn't any Not so bad, considering that people were "backing up" to zip disks only recently, which hold 95MB max. > data, it writes filler) and takes multiple passes to read one tape > (the head physically moves up and down to read different portions > of the tape on each pass). It is *sloooow*. Personally, I prefer Yes, that's a problem... > 1600 bpi magtape to the TK50, even though it take at least two reels > for equivalent capacity. I like them better than QIC- ... well, QIC-anything. :) If I were recommending backup for this machine, though, I'd say a cheap 4mm (DDS), or 8mm (D8) drive would be great. Forget about hardware compression, though, just to be safe. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > Maybe it would be easier to get a MicroVAX 2000 to hook the > TK50Z-GA to! > I bare-bones MV2000 must be fairly inexpensive, right? Anyone got any > extras?! Well, if after reading Ethan's post (which says I got my models backwards, and your drive ought to work ok...) you'd still like one, I have a few, but you'd need to be willing to pick one up, since I'm not so sure about shipping anything just now. I'm still behind on shipping things. (Sorry Owen!) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Amiga 4000 with Toaster

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Also keep in mind that you need time stable sources for the video >inputs. If you want to use VHS VCR's you'll be disappointed, and you'll >need a couple full fram TBC's as well. As a video professional, I'd >think twice before getting a Toaster for hobby video . . . the new >digital cameras and digital editing is far easier to implement. The draw backs aren't really going to matter after all... your initial price of $400 puts one out of my price range. I can't very well even justify it for using it for editing when I have a perfectly good firewire setup with my DV Cam and iMac that so far is doing everything I need. I would like a 2nd video deck, so I would rather put the money towards a 2nd camera. (that is why I stopped hunting for a good deal on an SVHS editing system... as much as I would love to have one some day, they are still too expensive for me to justify when I can do everything with my camera and iMac) I was kind of hoping by some miracle, the 4000 with Toaster would be almost worthless, and I could have gotten away with offering a very low price. Alas, it appears to be worth some money like I figured it was. Thanks for the info. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

Any stories of Dayton?

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?

23 years, 11 months

DEC machines that can't format a disk (Was: Good Trip/Score Dec Rainbow...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Actually the 'bow is one of the few DEC machines that can > format its own > disks, and there was even a formatter program included with later Does this annoy anyone else? That the systems can't format their own media, I mean :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

11/23+ Settings

by dougq＠iglou.com

> > Rather than pdf, consider ... LOT more compact > > How PDFs are made will effect their size. > On the moremanuals site I found some files > like m3100ma1.pdf at 800+KByte/page > and others, like SC41MS.pdf at 12-KBytes/page > it depends on the tools and care used. Very true. I like DjVu, and was the source (I think) of Boris finding out about it... But I still prefer PDFs. I scan text-only pages at 600dpi in line-art mode, which creates hi-res bitmaps instead of greyscale files. While intuition might say that greyscale is better, when printed, most people will not be able to tell the difference. For pages with extremely detailed info, I use 1200dpi line art; for photos, I use greyscale, and do my best to clean them up. Halftone images require de-screening. -dq

23 years, 11 months

computer sales -- now only on e-bay???

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Is the classic computer sources finally drying up to become E-bay collector items only so most people can't see a real machine anymore? -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

23 years, 11 months

11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Rather than pdf, consider using DjVu; it's a >LOT more compact (I recompressed some pages >from the RT-11 Software support manual that >I'd scanned a while ago with DjVu, and went >from about 900 Kb/page to 30-40 Kb/page). >Needless to say, I was very impressed. 900KB/page seems high. The scanner I use produces LZW compressed TIFFs and wraps them in PDF - that ends up in the 200-250KB/page for US Letter size at 600dpi. Getting to 30-40KB/page with *lossless* compression would certainly be very impressive. However, it's taken pdf quite a while to become the defacto standard. I doubt that it will lose that mantle until something else comes along with (at the very least) an openly published spec. Anyway, I use PDF because that's what the scanner gives me. If someone wants to convert to some other format, that's absolutely fine by me. >The DjVu viewer plugin for various browsers if free, and a program which scans images to individual files is >also free from http://www.djvu.com/. I first heard about DjVu on this list, and it is one of the neatest >pieces of compression software that I've seen. Thanks for the pointer - I'll try to give it a go sometime soon. Is the compression lossless (I took a quick look at their pages and could not tell). Is the format published i.e. could I write my own viewer. I don't think I would want to, but I'd be much happier if I knew I could if I absolutely had to (I didn't see any OpenVMS support on their pages ...) Antonio

23 years, 11 months

need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has the following memory board right now: M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what. Looking at the UNIBUS/Q bus field guide beginning from M7944 and then scanning forward to the next MSV11 I find: M7955-AD MSV11-CD Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM with on-board refresh and then the family of M8044s M8044-AA MSV11-DA Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-AA (Also M8044-AB, -AC, -AD) M8044-AA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-BA MSV11-DB Q 8-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-BA (Also M8044-BB, -BC, -BD) M8044-BA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-CA MSV11-DC Q 16-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-CA (Also M8044-CB, -CC, -CD, -CE, -CF, -CH, -CL, -CM) M8044-CA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM M8044-DA (Also M8044-DB, -DC, -DD, -DE, -DF, -DH, -DL, -DM) M8044-DA Refs: EK-MSVI1-OP, MP-00566 Does that mean that I should have the M7955-AD RAM instead? This is confusing. And I'm not even asking for Q22 bus or PMI memory stuff. What's the thing I'm missing? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 11 months

need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has >the following memory board right now: > >M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) > >But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional >RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a > >M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM > >but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? > From the error I got it appeared as if may be there is just some >jumpering to do, but I have no clue as to where and what. There's some 780 console information at DFWCUG too, but I doubt that it covers this (it's at home and not to hand right now so I cannot check). I do have an 11/03 user guide (with a fair bit of technical info - it's a -TM- part number) and I can ftp that to you if it might help. I can look in it tonight to see if it has any helpful comments. I can also ftp it to you if you don't fancy waiting a month or so for it to appear on DFWCUG. Antonio

23 years, 11 months

11/23+ Settings

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Well, I'd appreciate it. I do have the M8189. I have found the specs on >that (really brief ones) but they don't tell me enough. The PDF would be >handy. I have the individual pages scanned, I just need to clean it up and put it all together. It should be done by the weekend. Do you have anywhere I can FTP it to? The full manual will be in the region of 200MB. Otherwise you'll either have to wait for it to make it across to the DFWCUG site (maybe another month or so) or I can extract the first couple of chapters which cover specs & installation. That's maybe 30 pages or so and will be between 5MB and 10MB - probably small enough to email as two PDFs (assuming your end can handle that).

23 years, 11 months

[CCTECH] TI-85 graphing calculator available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

23 years, 11 months

Thanks a bunch!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Whoever scanned the KA780 and FP780 "Technical Description" documents and put them up on the moremaniuals site ought to be given thanks and praise! These are wonderful in depth description that I had been searching for and that none of the "architecture manuals" etc. ever delivered. In the end the KA780 description may even obviate how to do the kind of microcode programming that I would like to try, may be to implement some part of a Java virtual machine as native KA780 machine language. (JaVAX-11/780, the true javax :-) cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 11 months

found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >This guy thinks this set will put the VAXStation3100m38 up to 32 MB >of RAM... Well, it's hard to say if *his* set is the full monty, but I just *happen* to have a VAXStation3100/m38 with 32Meg in it, so it is possible! Shipping on the rest of the VAX shouldn't be that bad -- it's a fairly bulletproof system, and not that big... >And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! Woo-hoo! Sure... I'm sure you didn't post _that_ link to keep me bidding against you for that -- for my DEC 3000/300! Mine's only got 64Meg; and I heard VMS is rather doggy in that amount... (tho I'd doubt that it'd be any worse than Tru64 Unix, but that's just speculation...) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

23 years, 11 months

found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Roger Merchberger > > Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > >This guy thinks this set will put the VAXStation3100m38 up to 32 MB > >of RAM... > > Well, it's hard to say if *his* set is the full monty, but I just *happen* > to have a VAXStation3100/m38 with 32Meg in it, so it is possible! > > Shipping on the rest of the VAX shouldn't be that bad -- it's a fairly > bulletproof system, and not that big... > - Yeah, my 3100m38 has 32MB also. I'm just not positive if he's identifying the boards right. I mean, he's not even positive. :) > >And good news is he's got RAM for auction, for my DEC 3000/400! Woo-hoo! > > Sure... I'm sure you didn't post _that_ link to keep me bidding against > you > for that -- for my DEC 3000/300! Mine's only got 64Meg; and I heard VMS is > rather doggy in that amount... (tho I'd doubt that it'd be any worse than > Tru64 Unix, but that's just speculation...) > - Sorry Roger, it's more of a "Please let me have it! Don't bid on it!" kind of begging... :) Well, wait, IIRC, the 3000/300 uses different kind of memory sticks anyway, doesn't it? -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 11 months

found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Like most, I'm still looking for the display. Bill Bradford beat me > to the VRE01 at Goodwill this week. And I actually owned > (and operate) > a couple of Classics before any of my DEC stuff. I just didn't know > they were Classics.... You could plug it into an analog multisync that will do sync-on-green and the proper rate -- if you're not adverse to building an adaptor... Err, wait, that would work if you had color, anyway. I guess if you don't mind a green display, or if the other (red, blue) channels wouldn't be harmed by the sync signal, you'd be fine. (That's not my area of expertise, obviously) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>> >> >> Since we are talking about scratched glass, do you >> have any ideas on how to remove scratches from the >> face of a CRT? >> >> I use Jewelers rouge I got from a Jeweler friend many >> years ago. It works well on surface scratches such >> as those you get from laying the monitor on the tube >> face. > >Any particular grade of rouge? I've got a couple of lenses with minor >scratches that would probably benefit from gentle polishing. But the >jeweler's catalogue I've just looked in (H.S. Walsh) lists about a dozen >polishing compounds, none specifically for glass. Or doesn't it matter >too much? Jeweler's rouge is amongst them (and is not too expensive). > >-tony > Hi Tony You can order the right stuff for optical work from places like Newport Glass and William-Bell. You can also use cerium oxide ( what I prefer to use ). It is a liitle less messy than rouge and slightly faster. Dwight

23 years, 11 months

Intel MDS 800 floppy disks

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some floppy disks, apparently for an Intel MDS 800 whatever that is. ISIS-III system disk. Also what i'm assuming goes with this, are some CP/M and Quelo 68K assembler software. Any interest? -Lawrence LeMay

23 years, 11 months

[CCTALK] [CCTECH] scanners & circuit boards...

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Any particular grade of rouge? I've got a couple of lenses with minor scratches that would probably benefit from gentle polishing. But the jeweller's catalogue I've just looked in (H.S. Walsh) lists about a dozen polishing compounds, none specifically for glass. Or doesn't it matter too much? Jeweller's rouge is amongst them (and is not too expensive). I don't really know, what I have is in an unmarked tin that was given to me as being 'the stuff I needed' to polish out some scratches on an oscilloscope CRT face. I've used it since to polish out scratches on other glass items. It's probably best to ask a friendly jeweller for advice before you buy. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 11 months

Finds this week and update on MN Trip

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well I got back on Friday evening from my 5 day trip up to MN to pick up some of my stuff still there. We rented a 26 footer from Uhaul but it could not hold everything in one of my 10X20X30 storage units. I had to rent a smaller 5X5X15 unit and leave the stuff there. I'm still unloading the truck (we started late Monday afternoon). I will list some of the good we have found in this load later. I only went out today for about 4 hours and got about 25 different items, but will list only some of them here. 1. hp 2392A terminal - $2 2. Another Mac SE with the factory upgrade HD20 added. - Free 3. IBM 3191 terminal (no key or keyboard) - $2 4. Telecorp Systems Inc. System 606 - $2 5. Radius PrecisionColor Display/20 - Free 6. 2- Apple IIc's no plus's - Both Free 7. Mac Classic - Free 8. Box various cables - Free 9. Sun SPARCstation IPX with a LANCAST ENT-4320 hanging on the rear - $2 10. hp model 715/100 full of memory - $12 11. 3 Atari cartridges, 2 for the 7800 and 1 for the 2600 - 99 cents each That's all I can tell you about the other stuff is too new for the 10 year rule.

23 years, 11 months

DECstation 5000

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got a CD labelled: MasPar System Software Release 3.24 for a DS5000-based MP 9200-0010-B7 Does anyone know what this is? I got this out of a RRD40 drive, so I'm guessing it was for a DECstation 5000. -- Pat

23 years, 11 months

Misc. VAX (Was: found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Christopher Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > > > > Well, my m38 actually has an lk201, hockey-puck mouse, and 20" > > > color monitor. > > > - oh, quit bragging so loud... ;) > > Well, err... I have a _MicroVAX_ 3100/m38, with a vt320. *duck* ;) > - Ohh, you're just asking for it... To the moon! > > - What's with the mice with two wierd looking button > > things, instead > > of a ball? > > Pretty simple, really. The "button things" spin. Depending on > which axis the mouse is following, one or the other button will > do the spinning because of the way they're tilted. Nice design. I > like them much better than ball mice. > > It seems most people do. Even in my pile of "spare" mice, I only > have one of those. I also have the one on my m38, which was > originally a ball mouse, but got replaced. > - Pretty neat! (After I'm done playing with the "thingies" on my mouse...) > > > Also worth mentioning is that it's one of what I assume was an > > > older series of VAXStation 2000s with no AUI on the back (co-ax > > > only). > > > - Interesting... > > One of perhaps two I've seen like that. I don't know whether to > replace the casing with one that's got the AUI port, or keep it > this way for the novelty. > I'd keep it as-is, for the novelty and rarity of it... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 11 months

found VAXStation 3100 M38 memory

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > ...I have an Idek Iiyama in starage that ISTR transmogrifies a mono-BNC > input to B&W. I've been procrastinating bringing it home to see. > Doesn't matter, as all my VS3100s have color options. Although I'd > like to be able to do X in NetBSD.... > > Doc > That is something I'd like to have on my 3100. I'm hoping to start some work on getting X & NetBSD running on the mono framebuffer. Granted, I have no idea about programming, but I guess I'll learn. :) -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 11 months

Microsoft Word 4.0 academic: MAC

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some Word 4.0 for macintosh. Academic version, and anyways I'm sure nobody is allowed to transfer a microsoft license... So its up to you to buy a modern version of word and become legal, and then maybe you can use the older version instead. system requirements: 512K memory Two 800K double-sided disk drives or one 800K double-sided drive and a hard disk. Mac 512K enhanced, Plus, SE, or II. System 3.2 or higher finder 5.3 or higher supports the appletalk network. Anyways, feels mildly heavy, must be a book or two in the box. Yeah thats right, I'm not sure what exactly is in there because they still have their original plastic wrap intact... Offer a few dollars plus shipping for my hassles, and i'll mail one or two your way. The rest get tossed. 9 are available. Shipping via USPS only. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

23 years, 11 months

Mathematica -- gone already!

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

It's spoken for!

23 years, 11 months

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