In regard to the Freeware CDs:
Due to other priorities, I have not yet been able to finish
the verification tasks that I feel are needed to ensure that
I am producing correct images. However, eventually
I will be making some copies of the CD images from:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/
that I have downloaded and wish to offload from my hard
disk drive. I have verified each of the 2 RSX-11 and the
1 RT-11 images against the MD5 values in the file MD5SUMS
and they are the same. In addition, after I copy the image
on my hard drive to the CD, I will verify them against their
respective images in their hard drive files. To do so, I
will be using RT-11 and BINCOM (with some of my own
modifications which allows me to also verify block 65535
at the end of each RT-11 partition). Since there are a
maximum of 20 RT-11 partitions on each CD and each
BINCOM run takes me less than 30 seconds, the whole
comparison can be done in less than 10 minutes - which
will probably be about the length of time it takes to make
the CD copy in the first place.
Since there might be a number of individuals who can't
download at a reasonable speed (even with DSL it takes
about 3 hours each at about 30 KBytes per second as
compared with about 3 KBytes per second on a dial up line),
I am prepared to make additional copies (Tim Shoppa
no longer seems to have the time to do so) and make
them available at my cost of about $ US 4.00 (for media,
label, envelope and shipping carton - the media portion
is less than a third of that total) plus postage which seems
to be about $ US 1.00 to the US. A second CD will
probably be about another $ US 3.00 if requested while
all three should be about $ US 10.00 for the set. I have
yet to verify these prices to be sure that they cover my
costs, but I am 99% sure they should be adequate.
Note that the images at Tim's site are ".bz2" files while
the images at classiccmp are ".gz" images. For myself
(Windows 98 and Netscape 4.78) DOES NOT WORK,
but Carlos Murillo sent me a Windows 98 version of
wget which does work, I suppose on any file.
By the way, I tried to hold the SHIFT key down while
I was clicking my way through the download procedures
of the ".gz" files under Netscape and that did not help.
Note that the images at the classiccmp site are ".gz" files,
so they are slightly larger. Since I did my original download
>from the full size images, I did not have a problem with
expanding - I used WinZip under Windows 98.
If you need help and are running Windows 98 or a
compatible OS, I can send you copies of both "bzip2.exe"
and "MD5.exe", but not for others OSs. For other OSs
(and Windows 98) for bzip2 programs, see:
http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/
and click on either:
PC, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
PC, Windows 95/98/NT/2000.
for bzip2.exe - I was advised to use the second older
version and did - it worked fine under Windows 98.
For MD5 programs, see either:
ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/crypto/md5/http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/
I obtained my MD5 programs at the first site, but it no
longer seems active. Hopefully, it will be back soon.
By the way, for myself, I would VERY much appreciate
being in touch with all individuals who have a copy of the
RT-11 Freeware CD V2.0 so that we might exchange
information about RT-11. Tim Shoppa felt that he might
be violating privacy concerns if he made the names, of those
who ordered the CD, available. I don't see it that way, so
if you want your name to be known along with the other
individuals (or not as the case may be - i.e. restrict that
you have a copy of the RT-11 CD to ONLY specified
individuals such as possibly just myself) so that you can
receive interesting information about new developments
in RT-11 and the status of the operating system, then
PLEASE contact me so that we can share information.
Also state if you want to be known to the entire group
of just to specified individuals such as myself.
PLUS, as for TSX-PLUS, I am going to try again to knock
at the door of S&H to see what they may consider for
hobby users.
Some of you have already expressed an interest in the CDs.
I hope that I have sent a personal copy of this post. If
I somehow missed you, please send me your request again.
For those users who receive a personal copy of this e-mail,
you are already on my list. I will send you a mailing address
when I am ready to burn the CDs. Please reply if you are
still interested.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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Hi,
my CI cables are too long for my little basement computer room.
I get all tangled up in the coils. OTOH I need a few more cables.
So, how hard will it be to just cut the cables in half and
mount new connectors? This cable is very similar to thick wire
ethernet, but not the same. Does it require special tools?
regards,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a friend. I have no
> experience with VMS distrubutions on any media other than
> tape. How can
> I tell from the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
Err -- you could boot them and see what save-sets you find. :)
They're not labeled?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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[Hm. This didn't crosspost when I posted it to cctech, so here it is again,
addressed to cctalk. Sorry if you get this twice.]
Well, I've finally moved from acquire mode into play mode. First, I'm trying
to get this uPDP-11/23+ running. I've got so far as a BA23 with PSU, fans,
backplane, front panel, RD52, and RX50 -- that seems to power up without any
problems. Now I'm going to put the boards in, and I need help. Here's what I
plan on doing:
Backplane is H9278-A: slots 1-3 Q22/CD, slots 4-8 Q22/Q22.
AAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBB CCCCCCCCCC DDDDDDDDDD
1 M8189----(KDF11-BF)------------------------
2 M9047----------------
3 M9047----------------
4 M8067-LB-(MSV11-P)-------------------------
5 M7957----(DZV11-M)-------------------------
6 M8639-YA-(RQDX1)---------------------------
7 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
8 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
The memory is in slot 4 because its grant continuity jumpers (W1 and W2) are
soldered in, which (according to the MSV11-P user's guide) tells me it
expects a Q22/Q22 slot instead of a Q22/CD slot.
Question 1: does the above look OK, or have I got something wrong?
Question 2: Should I try it first with just the CPU and memory in, just to
get a boot prompt on the console?
I'm subscribed to both lists, so feel free to reply to either one.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net]
> Does this have an OS in Rom, or does it need a "boot" disk
> like an Apple //?
Strictly speaking, I don't believe either model _requires_ a boot
disk. A boot disk will add significant functionality to the Apple,
though. :)
Anyway, the commodore will use its disk without booting from it,
in contrast to some Apple systems, where that's not exactly true.
You can also get CP/M for it, as some other people have said. Don
Maslin probably has the disk, and he's usually willing to send them
for (very reasonable) media/copying cost.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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Greg asked:
> Having searched throughout HPs web site(s), I've come to the conclusion that
> anything older than a week or so won;t have any usefull information there.
Agreed.
> If anyone has any switch settings for my C1525G DDS1 tape drive, it would be
> most helpfull - I'm trying to hang it off a MicroVAX3100 model10e currently.
From:
http://www.eztechstuff.com/archives/th99/p/txt/70119.txtHEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY
HP C1525G/H, SURESTORE 2000
Device Type Internal Tape Drive
Interface SCSI-2
Format DDS
Sustained Transfer Rate 183 KBPS
Size 3.5 in. half height
5.25 in. half height (with bezel)
View Top
USER CONFIGURABLE SETTINGS
Setting Label Position
? Factory configured - do not alter JP5 Unidentified
DRIVE SELECT ID
Drive ID JP1 JP2 JP3
0 Open Open Open
1 Open Open Closed
2 Open Closed Open
3 Open Closed Closed
4 Closed Open Open
5 Closed Open Closed
6 Closed Closed Open
7 Closed Closed Closed
MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED MEDIA
Tape Capacity Without Compression
90 meter DDS cartridge 2.0 GB
DIAGNOSTIC LED(S)
LED1 LED2 Condition
(Green) (Yellow)
Off Off No power/drive Idle, no cartridge
On Off Cartridge loaded, No Activity
Flash Off Cartridge loaded, Activity
Pulse Off Loading/Unloading/Ejecting/Power-On
Off On Self Test Failure
Off Pulse No Cartridge, Caution (cleaning required)
On Pulse Cartridge loaded, Caution (cleaning
required)
Flash Pulse Cartridge loaded, Drive Active, Caution
(cleaning required)
Pulse Pulse Cartridge loading/unloading, Caution
(cleaning required)
hth,-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Veeneman [mailto:dan@ekoan.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:50 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: DECwriter-II Sounds of Impending Doom?
>
>
> At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
> My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
> does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
> replacement ribbons for this terminal?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
I just picked up 6 off of EPAY for $5.00 + shipping. Unknown condition, but
I figure I can re-ink them if I need too. I'll send you one for $1 +
shipping if interested. Contact me off-list.
Gary
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> At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
> My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
> does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
> replacement ribbons for this terminal?
I must say, we consume a lot of bandwidth on this list
correcting each others peccadillos... just think of
how useful and fun the list could be if we'd actually
supply useful information such as:
Yes, they sell the ribbons at office Depot for about
six bucks. Bought one there about a month ago.
In solidarity with all those who suffer senior moments
such as I,
-dq
At 03:38 PM 5/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
My Decwriter II indicates it's an LA-36. Speaking of which,
does anyone have recommendations on a good place to get
replacement ribbons for this terminal?
Cheers,
Dan
> > My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
> > sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
> > arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
> >
> > Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
> > for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
>
> Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
>
Why yes, it is!
-dq
Well, I've finally moved from acquire mode into play mode. First, I'm trying
to get this uPDP-11/23+ running. I've got so far as a BA23 with PSU, fans,
backplane, front panel, RD52, and RX50 -- that seems to power up without any
problems. Now I'm going to put the boards in, and I need help. Here's what I
plan on doing:
Backplane is H9278-A: slots 1-3 Q22/CD, slots 4-8 Q22/Q22.
AAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBB CCCCCCCCCC DDDDDDDDDD
1 M8189----(KDF11-BF)------------------------
2 M9047----------------
3 M9047----------------
4 M8067-LB-(MSV11-P)-------------------------
5 M7957----(DZV11-M)-------------------------
6 M8639-YA-(RQDX1)---------------------------
7 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
8 M9047---------------- M9047----------------
The memory is in slot 4 because its grant continuity jumpers (W1 and W2) are
soldered in, which (according to the MSV11-P user's guide) tells me it
expects a Q22/Q22 slot instead of a Q22/CD slot.
Question 1: does the above look OK, or have I got something wrong?
Question 2: Should I try it first with just the CPU and memory in, just to
get a boot prompt on the console?
I'm subscribed to both lists, so feel free to reply to either one.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dougq@iglou.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: ClassicCmp List
> Subject: DECwriter-II Sounds of Impending Doom?
>
>
> My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
> sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
> arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
>
> Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
> for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
>
> -dq
>
Isn't a Decwriter II a LA-36? A LA-120 us a Decwriter III IIRC.
Gary
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My LA120 makes these snapping sounds when first turned on,
sourced from the pedestal, that sound a bit like a flyback
arcing. I'm guessing its the SMPSU crying out in anguish.
Is there anything I can do, or do I need to start looking
for a replacement LA-120 PSU?
-dq
>From: "Ben Franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>
>"Dwight K. Elvey" wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sam
>> Check:
>>
>> http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
>
>> >Missing, which is probably why the keyboard doesn't work. According to
>> >John L. it's a common tube (25L6) so I'm going out to look for a
>> >replacement today.
>
>www.tubesandmore.com has the 25L6 for $6.00 US.
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Hi
Alltronics has them at $3 and $4, depending on package
and Alltronics is closer to Sellam.
I have bought from TubesAndMore to get hard to find tubes
and they do a good job. I have a list of other tube sources
since I also play with old radios.
Dwight
I was looking through the Alltronics listings and noticed a TTL-Composite
video adaptor (http://www.alltronics.com/computer_miscellaneous.htm ,
#92C024) that looks like the adaptor I have for my Osborne 1!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:18 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: IBM 026 Printing Card Punch
Hi Sam
Check:
http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
Later
Dwight
<snip>
Hi Sam
Check:
http://www.alltronics.com/tubes3.htm
Later
Dwight
>From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
>
>On Tue, 28 May 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
>
>> Is tube no. 6 missing or just optional?
>
>Missing, which is probably why the keyboard doesn't work. According to
>John L. it's a common tube (25L6) so I'm going out to look for a
>replacement today.
>
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Hi
It is really quite simple to use the bi-directional
printer port if your machine supports it. This is
what I did with an old Intel one I have ( I think
it was made by REMEX ). It is just wires and some
simple software.
Dwight
>From: "Loboyko Steve" <sloboyko(a)yahoo.com>
>
>I've designed a very simple Remex paper tape reader
>"parallel" interface to serial board utilizing a
>PIC/Ubicom and a MAX-232 chip. Someone else on this
>has one but I forget who, so:
>
>http://sloboyko.home.mindspring.com/remex.htm
Please contact Carlos directly if you wish to help rescue some of a massive
pile of PDP and VAX parts and documentation (he mentioned in another email, of
having 80 (eighty) RP06 disk packs...). I forwarded this with his permission.
Bill
- - - - - - -
( From: "carlos andres meymar l." <cmeymar(a)hotmail.com> )
My name is Carlos Meymar I had a company here in Mexico City called
MIPROCESADORES S.A. that during several years sold and gave maintenance to
PDP and VAX systems, as a result of this activities I have a lot of original
DEC material including boards, cables, documentation and so on, I am moving
my office to other location that is smaller and have to reduce my inventory.
Do you know anyone in Mexico or in the U.S. that can be intereted in this
material.
I am in a hurry with the relocation of the office so please consider this as
an urgent matter because otherwise I will have to give everything away as
scrap material.
Hoping to hear from you or anyone interested as soon as possible
Best Regards
CARLOS MEYMAR
Can I "force" an RJ11/12 cable into an MMJ jack? I thought I had an MMJ
cable, but I don't. I've got a 4-wire cable from an LK201 keyboard that
I can snap into the MMJ, but it doesn't fill the whole thing, so I
assume only 4 wires will make contact, which I doubt will work. If I
take a regular phone cord, break off the tab, and file the top smooth,
will it fit in the MMJ socket?
- Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net]
> Since I don't even know if this machine works yet, can I hook
> it up to a
> TV instead of a monitor? I'd hate to go buy another monitor from
> Goodwill only to find that the computer doesn't work.
Mine works with a TV. Also for the most part completely replaces
the commodore 64 setup, which is nice since it's not nearly as
ugly ;)
Chris
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Hi Dan
The power connector you need is the 12 pin one at the center.
I was wrong about the 44 pins. The 44 pin ones are for expansion.
Here is a list of the connectors:
EXPANSION (E)
1 SYNC A AB0
2 RDY B AB1
3 01 C AB2
4 IRQ\ D AB3
5 RO E AB4
6 NMI\ F AB5
7 RES\ H AB6
8 DB7 J AB7
9 DB6 K AB8
10 DB5 L AB9
11 DB4 M AB10
12 DB3 N AB11
13 DB2 P AB12
14 DB1 R AB13
15 DB0 S AB14
16 18\ T AB15
17 DBOUT(1) U 02
18 POR\ V R/W
19 -- W R/W\
20 -- X AUD TEST
21 +5V Y 02\
22 GND Z RAM-R/W
APPLICATION (A)
1 GND A +5V
2 APA3 B 00\
3 APA2 C 04\
4 APA1 D 08\
5 APA4 E 0C\
6 APA5 F 10\
7 APA6 H 14\
8 APA7 J 1C\
9 APB0 K 18\
10 APB1 L AUDIO IN
11 APB2 M AUDIO OUT(LO)
12 APB3 N RCN-1 (1)
13 APB4 P AUDIO OUT(HI)
14 APA0 R TTY KB RTN+
15 APB7 S TTY PTR+
16 ABB5 T TTY KB RTN-
17 KB ROW 0 U TTY PTR-
18 KB COL F V KB ROW 3
19 KB COL B W KB COL G
20 KB COL E X KB ROW 2
21 KB COL A Y KB COL C
22 KB COL D Z KB ROW 1
AUXILIARY APPLICATION (AA)
1 GND A +5V
2 -VN B +VP
3 2 PA 1 C 2 PA 2
4 2 CA 2 D 2 PA 0
5 2 CB 2 E 2 CA 1
6 2 PB 7 F 2 CB 2
7 2 PB 5 H 2 PB 6
8 2 PB 3 J 2 PB 4
9 2 PB 1 K 2 PB 2
10 2 PA 7 L 2 PB 0
11 2 PA 5 M 2 PA 6
12 2 PA 3 N 2 PA 4
13 RES P 3 CA 1
13 3 CB 1 R SCOPE
15 3 CB 2 S 3 PB 3
16 3 PB 0 T 3 PB 1
17 3 PA 6 U 3 PA 7
18 3 PA 3 V 3 PA 0
19 3 PS 4 W 3 PA 1
20 3 PA 5 X 3 PA 2
21 3 PB 5(B) Y 3 PB 4(B)
22 3 PB 7(B) Z 3 PB 6(B)
POWER (P)
1 +5V A +VP
2 GND B GND
3 +5V C +5V
4 GND D GND
5 +5V E -VN
6 GND F GND
TERMINAL (T)
1 GND
2 RS-232 IN
3 RS-232 OUT
4 --
5 +5V
6 +5V
7 GND
8 +5V
9 TTY KEYBOARD IN+
10 TTY KEYBOARD IN-
11 TTY PRINTER OUT-
12 TTY PRINTER OUT+
13 --
14 AUDIO REMOTE NPN HI
15 AUDIO REMOTE NPN LO
16 AUDIO REMOTE PNP LO
17 AUDIO REMOTE PNP HI
18 AUDIO IN
19 AUDIO GND
20 --
21 AUDIO OUT (HI)
22 --
23 AUDIO OUT (LO)
24 --
25 AUDIO GND
KEYBOARD
1 +5V
2 +5V
3 +5V
4 +5V
5 +VP
6 +VP
7 -VN
8 -VN
9 GND
10 GND
11 GND
12 GND
13 RS-232 IN
14 RS-232 OUT
The RAM sockets can be filled with 2114's. I think Jameco still
has these. The RS-232 will drive +5 to 0 if the other end will
take it, otherwise, you'll need a -12V connected to the -VN pins.
You then change the jumper GG to 40.
Data for the basic ROM's and parts of manual can be had at:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/my_docs.htm
If you need other things, let me know.
Dwight
>From: "Dan Veeneman" <dan(a)ekoan.com>
>
>At 06:36 PM 5/28/02 -0700, you wrote:
>> Also, check to see if you need to have the BASIC ROM's. These
>>boards normally only came with the monitor ROM and minimum
>>RAM. One usually added the parts for the serial as well ( some
>>transistors and resistors ).
>
>Looks like I need to add some parts. I've put up some pictures of
>the SYM-1 at
>
> http://www.decodesystems.com/sym-1.html
>
>The board appears to be minimally populated. Besides the power
>connector, specifications and instructions for adding the BASIC ROMs
>and the serial interface would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dan
>www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
>
>
>I know how to boot a CD-ROM in a VAX. I've got the VMS 7.2 hobbyist, VMS
>7.2 regular distrib, and VMS 7.3 regular distrib, and when I boot them
>all, I just go into standalone backup. I thought maybe there was some
>"trick" I didn't know about to boot into a regular VMS system.
The trick is that instead of booting with:
>>> BOOT DKA100:
you do something like:
>>> BOOT/R5:10000000 DKA100:
assuming that the alternate root is [SYS1].
I just looked on a V7.1 VAX binary disk and
it looks very much like [SYS0] (i.e. the
default boot) is S/A BACKUP and [SYS1]
(i.e. as above) is a full OpenVMS boot. Obviously
it's booted off a read-only medium so you do not
get to mess around too much, but it should be
enough to get your install done or fixup your
disk or whatever.
Antonio