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by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a PDF copy of the Motorola 6800 chip datasheet? I downloaded a copy from somewhere yesterday and the strangest thing happens. When viewing the PDF, it shows on the screen as a positive image but when printing, it prints as a negative. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

23 years, 10 months

I hate Radio Shack

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:00 PM 6/7/2002 -0400, Corda Albert J DLVA wrote: >What annoys me is when they give horribly incorrect advice. I stopped >by a local radio shack earlier this week to price out some RG6/U for >a new DirecTV dish that I was cobbling together. I needed about ~350 >feet of cable. The sales droid insisted that I'd needed to buy three >in-line amps, and install them all at the dish ... (I guess he knew >enough rudimentary english to read the amp packaging, and extrapolate) >What bothered me the most, though, was the authoritative manner in which >he described what I had to do. It took quite an effort to keep from >laughing in his face... Yeah, but if he'd described putting them in-line the right way, would that even work? Is there enough power there to handle three amplifiers, and wouldn't the noise obliterate the signal eventually? - John

23 years, 10 months

Gold in IBM KB's ?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Two 84-key AT keyboards sold on eBay yesterday for $122.50 and $127.50. Now I know how I'm going to pay the house note next month.

23 years, 10 months

Wanted: Original Novell 68000 System

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well the copy of the OS that I have is an OEM copy of Netware 1.1, so that would be why I said 1.1, I try to avoid sticking the proverbial foot in the mouth when possible ;p Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

23 years, 10 months

I hate Radio Shack

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

What annoys me is when they give horribly incorrect advice. I stopped by a local radio shack earlier this week to price out some RG6/U for a new DirecTV dish that I was cobbling together. I needed about ~350 feet of cable. The sales droid insisted that I'd needed to buy three in-line amps, and install them all at the dish ... (I guess he knew enough rudimentary english to read the amp packaging, and extrapolate) What bothered me the most, though, was the authoritative manner in which he described what I had to do. It took quite an effort to keep from laughing in his face... BTW, I bought the coax somewhere else, just on principles... -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:12 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: I hate Radio Shack > > > Damnit John, you beat me to it. :) > > g. > > > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, J.C. Wren wrote: > > > Radio Shack: "You have questions, we have blank stares." > > > > --John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Bob Lafleur > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 15:38 > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: RE: I hate Radio Shack > > > > > > I've decided that Radio Shack has one reason for existance; to sell > > pre-paid cell-phones to low-lifes. Every time I go in there, all the > > sales people are occupied with selling a pre-paid > cell-phone to someone > > who has such bad credit that they can't get a regular > cell-phone. Then > > when they finally get to me, I ask them for an adapter, or cable, or > > something and they look at me like I'm crazy. "I've never > heard of such > > a thing" they say. If it's not a pre-paid cell-phone, they > have no clue. > > > > > > >

23 years, 10 months

[OT] measuring DC wall wart

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Since the output connector is one of those cross-shaped plugs (with a >2.5mm jack plug, 3.5mm jack plug, 2.1mm coax power connector and 2.5mm >coax power connector) along with a separate 1.3mm coax power connector >(used for personal stereos I am told) and a 9V-like battery clip, it's >very easy to get accidental short circuits just by having the separate >connectors touch each other. Therefore IMHO the PSU has to be safe under >short-circuit conditions. They are not. > >And the plastic cases are very brittle and canf break, exposing live >parts. Unplugging one that's been accidentally kicked, for example, is >not easy. Not saying the ones in the US are safe or good, but they are not like the one you describe. They are a white plastic, rather "soft and durable" material. You can smack then and kick them and step on them, and they stay in one peice. Also, they don't sell that cross tipped one like you describe any more (at least I haven't seen one in a long long time). Rather, all of them end in a jack, and they include one tip of your choice (for most, some include multiple tips). So you pick the connector style you need, and then that plugs into the jack on the cord. It is marked on the cord with "TIP" and the connector has a "+" on it, so you can align it for either positive or negative tip. Fairly decent setup, and so far, all their newer style white ones (they have been selling them for a few years now), have held up well, at least for me. As to short circuits and how safe they are... I can't really say. I've never opened one, and I can't think of a time that I have done anything other than accidentally set a multi-voltage one to the wrong voltage and watched my device get toasted (leaving the power wart just fine of course). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 10 months

TS-816 setup

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I'm having a bit of trouble geting my new 'shiny' Televideo TS-816 up and running. It hangs trying to IPL from the hard drive, and I can boot off a tape, which gets me diagnostics. The diagnostics look like this: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Self-testing in process. (TS-816/40 PROM V1.1) Hit "ESCAPE" Key to boot from Tape ? System IPL from Tape Drive in progress * TeleVideo Systems TS-816/40 Restore disk image from tape, V1.3 14 Megabyte on 1/4" tape cartridge Do you want to run disk diagnostic? ("Return" if NO, "Y" if YES) Y ** SELECT DIAGNOSTIC WINCHESTER HARD DISK ?? ** ----------------------------------------------- Type "I" to select Internal winchester hard disk Type "E" to select External winchester hard disk Type "A" to Abort the diagnostic mode I <--- Select the function above ** DIAGNOSTIC FUNCTIONS ** -------------------------- Type "R" to select Read-test Type "W" to select Write-test Type "F" to select Format disk Type "A" to reselect winchester hard disk <--- Select the function above ----------------------------------------------------------------- It would appear that it's having a problem using the internal hard drive. I don't have a spare sitting around to replace it with, and the cables look all securely fastened. Also, the drive seems to be spinning just fine, and I've cleared the two 'locks' on the bottom for it before trying to use it. Does anyone have suggestions for troubleshooing this problem? I'm knowledgable in electronics and can drag out my o'scope if I need to. Also, can I hook up a 5-1/4" MFM or RLL hard drive up to this thing? It's a TS-816/40 (I'm guessing 40MB drive), what should I look for (C/H/S) in a replacement drive? -- Pat

23 years, 10 months

[CCTECH] Interesting tidbit on 6502

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ben Franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > >Loboyko Steve wrote: >> >> I'm building a 6800 machine right now and I was >> wondering about this "Halt and Catch on Fire" >> instruction. Is this for real. This is a serious >> question. Is there actually an instruction that will >> overheat the chip? > >Not on the 6800 but I believe some FORTH chips have that problem. >This instruction for the 6800 if remember right just continually >increments the address bus, ignoring any data read. Only a hard >RESET will reset the machine from this state. I think the opcode >is $00. > Hi Instructions that would continuously increment the address are vary useful for debugging address decoding problems. On an 8080, about the only useful sequence is to have a pop and jmp, using 4 locations. It may have been that the 6800 one was a debug instruction that was designed in. Dwight

23 years, 10 months

FBI Computers?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:51 AM 6/7/2002 -0600, Feldman, Robert wrote: >Now that the FBI is going to modernize its "antiquated" and "out of date" >computer system, does anyone know what kind of equipment we might see reach >the surplus market? (I don't expect many working hard disk drives.) On Wisconsin public radio yesterday, they were blaming some amount of 9-11 on Louis Freeh's "I hate computers" policy, and some talking head claimed that agents were so disgusted by the slowness of their "386s and 486s that wouldn't even be accepted by churches as donations". - John

23 years, 10 months

FBI Computers?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Now that the FBI is going to modernize its "antiquated" and "out of date" computer system, does anyone know what kind of equipment we might see reach the surplus market? (I don't expect many working hard disk drives.) Bob

23 years, 10 months

OpenVMS license expiration date

by rdd＠rddavis.org

Greetings, This afternoon I registered my DECUS^H^H^H^H^HEncompass membership number with Montagar software for OpenVMS. By the way, not knowing the CPU ID of my VAX, I entered a '?', and that satisfied their registration script. The last time that I attempted to register with Montagar, my Encompas membership ID number was rejected, so I didn't get a CD-ROM back then. A short while ago, an e-mail arrived with the license to use OpenVMS; alas, the license expires in one year. Will this expiration date have any effect on the useability of the software after the expiration date? -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

23 years, 10 months

Monitors for Vaxstation

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

What kind of monitors can be used with the Vaxstation models (2000, 3100, etc)? I know there are different flavors of Vaxstation graphics - monochrome, "GPX", etc. Which is the easiest to deal with monitor-wise? Can an adapter be built to use a standard multi-syncable VGA monitor? Thanks for any info. - Bob

23 years, 10 months

Wanted: Original Novell 68000 System

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Don't forget that the Televideo PM-16 runs an OEM version of Netware 1.1 or so... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

23 years, 10 months

Source for Jiffydos for Commodore 64-SX?

by florit＠unixville.com

I've a Commodore 64-SX (the portable) and I was toying with the idea of updating its kernel/bios/rom/whateveritscalledonthere so that it could stretch out the life of its floppy drive. There was a company called CMD that produced a replacement called JiffyDOS that worked around lots of the slow repetitive speed transfer problems >from the disk drives. It doesn't seem like they're selling the chips anymore. Anyone have a source for these, or failing that, someone have a recipe for doing this sort of thing? L

23 years, 10 months

Commodore floppy drives; faster than you can type

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, I recall reading a line on/near/inside a Commodore 64 SX box advertising that their floppy disk drive: "Reads data faster than you can type". Is my memory playing tricks on me, or did Commodore really use such a line (or something quite similar)? Any pointers would be appreciated. BTW, I wasn't convinced that it *could* read data faster than I could type :) thanks, StanStan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

23 years, 10 months

Monitors for Vaxstation

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> All of my VAX and Alpha systems use a serial console attached > to a DECserver 90M (even the systems with graphics cards and > monitors attached). I'd *LOVE* to be able to do this, unfortunatly, I don't have a DECserver that supports this. Someday.... Zane

23 years, 10 months

Monitors for Vaxstation

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> What kind of monitors can be used with the Vaxstation models (2000, 3100, > etc)? I know there are different flavors of Vaxstation graphics - > monochrome, "GPX", etc. Which is the easiest to deal with monitor-wise? Can > an adapter be built to use a standard multi-syncable VGA monitor? Thanks for > any info. > > - Bob > I'm not sure about the 2000, or the 3100's, however, I've successfully attached a Multisync monitor to my 4000/vlc, and I believe either my 4000/60 or 4000/90. Of course I used a DEC cable with BNC connnectors to hook up to the monitor. Personally I prefer a VT420 on my VAXen to a Monitor. I even end up using a VT420 on most of my Alpha's. Zane

23 years, 10 months

Monitors for Vaxstation

by bob_lafleur＠technologist.com

23 years, 10 months

This seems on topic for this group and is > 10 years old...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I doubt you'll find a computer inside. This is a scale model for wind tunnel testing, not a complete shuttle. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >At 11:22 AM 6/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Re: This seems on topic for this group and is > 10 years old... > > > What kind of computer does it have in it? > > joe > > >>Title of item: 1984 BOR-5 Russian Space Shuttle Proto-Type >>Seller: kruseintl >>Starts: May-28-02 14:40:59 PDT >>Ends: Jun-07-02 14:40:59 PDT >>Price: Currently $75,200.00 >>To bid on the item, go to: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1832679719 >> >> >>Item Description: >> >> >> >>1984 BOR-5 Russian Space Shuttle Proto-Type >> >> > >

23 years, 10 months

Wanted: Kaypro 2'84/2x

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > Are you certain that it's going to be harder to repair the existing > machine than to find a replacement (as an aside, I've never seen a Kaypro > _anything_ in the UK). That's a shame! A couple of years back I asked the classiccmp list what was the "best" CP/M machine, and the overwhelming answer was "Kaypro." I like mine. It's rock-solid, and applications, compilers, etc. are easy to find. The disk i/o is slow, though. > From what I've heard, though, Kaypros are pretty > standard circuitry and shouldn't be hard to repair. Yes. I have the 84/2X schematics and I'll be happy to scan and email them to the OP if he/she will contact me offlist. Glen 0/0

23 years, 10 months

Motorola S-record converter source for new project

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > If it's that much work to get it to compile, it's going to be less work > to write my own from scratch. Hence my review alongside the pointer. I was turned onto this thing by someone who likes to run a recent release from Red Hat, and look what it got me: a reason to do that OS upgrade I'd been putting off. Once I did that, getting SRecord to compile was as easy as I'd been expecting, and it even worked and did what I wanted done. I expect that most folks running Linux/*BSD have installed or upgraded within the last two years and so have a sufficiently new version of gcc at this point, but I also expect that you (and other folks on this list) might not. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 10 months

ID these DEC cards?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Can anyone tell me what these cards from a DEC PDP-11/04 are? I've identified some them but I'm not they're correct. (1) M2763 (2) H-222A (16k x 18 core memory) (3) H-222A (16k x 18 core memory) (4) Advanced Control Corp. card with two FMI (Function Module Inc) 9685 Digital to Analog Convertors (5) same as 4 except it has two Burr Brown DAC-800-CBI-V convertors (6) M7856, (7) M9312 (Boot Strap Terminator? Exactly what does it do and why does it have four terminals on it?) (8) M7228 (KW11-P Real Time Clock). Joe

23 years, 10 months

Wanted: Original Novell 68000 System

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2002-06-05 cctalk(a)classiccmp.org said >On Wednesday 05 June 2002 06:46 pm, you wrote: >> Wow, that's cool. I didn't realize Novell started on the 68000. >>Did it serve files for a PC network? How similar is the NOS to >>later versions of Netware? >That early it probably served files for a CP/M workstations. Indeed it all began with networking CP/M computers. Around 1981 Novell came to the market with their first networking product, called S-net. It was a star based network around a specialized server machine with a 68000 processor and a proprietary NOS. It is this machine we are talking about now. You could connect CP/M machines and PCs to it. Around 1983 the first version of Netware appeared, called Netware-86. This was a multitasking file-, print and application server software package that ran on the PC XT. I do not know what the exact functionality of S-net was, but I believe it was multi-user file sharing only. Kees. -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl My site about the DEC VAX computer Geldrop, The Netherlands http://www.vaxarchive.org http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ is now back up. Member of Insomniacs Anonymous Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

23 years, 10 months

A British piece

by zlep＠zlep.net

today i picked up the same Poket Terminal. did somebody find any information about this unit? what type of interface the connector is? It seems, that someone modyfied the connector of my unit, because one cable is cut, and the connections of the others are completely different than that of don's unit. can somebody tell me wich cable(color) is connected on wich pin on the original connector? -zlep

23 years, 10 months

Wanted: Original Novell 68000 System

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2002-06-05 Marvin Johnston wrote: >Curt Vendel wrote: >> Anyone have on the original Novell 68000 based systems for >> sale/trade? >Actually, I have two systems including a hard drive subsystem with >IIRC 2 Rodime 40 MB very noisy hard drives. Is it possible to take a few photographs of these machines and publish them somewhere? I also collect old Novell stuff, and I have an old original Novell machine too, but it already is a 286 made by Hyundai. (http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/lroom2.html) I also have an old key card that you needed to have in your server as a sort of anti piracy device or otherwise your system wouldn't work, that was used by the first pc versions of the Netware server system (http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/lroom4.html) When Novell was in the hardware business it also sold diskless pc workstations with the ne1000 and bootrom already on the motherboard, also made by Hyundai. (I do not have pictures of those) But I have never seen one of the old 68000 server machines. Thanks, Kees. -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl My site about the DEC VAX computer Geldrop, The Netherlands http://www.vaxarchive.org http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ is now back up. Member of Insomniacs Anonymous Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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