> From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>
> > Suggestions From Your Friends In
> > Information Technologies Support
>
> [...]
>
> > 20) If the space bar on your keyboard doesn't work, blame it on the mail
> > upgrade. Keyboards are actually very happy with half a pound of muffin
> > crumbs and nail clippings in them.
>
>
I'm reminded of one of my users who said her whole computer would
"freak out" when she used her mouse. (BTW She's right handed...) So, once I
get to her desk, everything is okay for me, and using the mouse (located to
the right, and behind the keyboard.) was normal.
So I ask her to show me. That's when I see her heavy, very loose &
baggy sleeve, wool sweater push down just about every key on the numeric
keypad. Especially the Enter key. When I pointed this out to her, she said
"No it's not. It's the computer!"
"Really? Okay. Well I'm gonna go downstairs and check the server for
problems. In the meantime, watch your sleeve, just in case."
And no, I didn't bother with the server. Just went to lunch. And
never heard about that problem again...
.........
> > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT
> > Support. We love to hack.
>
> You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet locks?
> I am truely amazed....
>
Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :)
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>> Return To Pirates Isle PHM 3189
>
>Nice. Scott Adams was my favorite programmer when I was 13. I had
>"Adventureland" and "Pirate's Island" in BASIC for the PET - still
>have the original tape. It gave me a life-long love for Interactive
>Fiction.
Humm... I have a bunch of his text adventures for the Apple II. Something
like 13 of them. I played them all, and won many. Spent many a rainy day
sitting playing them. I was always impressed with how good and unique
they each seemed to be.
They even encouraged me to try writing my own text adventure (never
finished it), and I suspect at some level, they are responsible for me
getting into writing fiction myself (IIRC, my first play was an
adaptation of one of his games)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> 2 3 + .
>
> That's a total of 8 keys to press --
> <two><space><three><space><plus><space><period><return>
>
> You should get
> 5 OK
> on the terminal (or something like that, with a 5 in it).
Unfortunatly it results in:
2 3 + . .?
I just realized that there is documentation included, it's in the 'sol.sd',
so I'm going to have to pour through it. I get the distinct impression that
it's not working the way it should, so I need to see if I've installed it
incorrectly (the first look through makes it look like it's installed
correctly).
> > I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11
> > that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on
> > a PC.
>
> Almost certainly yes. Of course eccentrics like me would probably _want_
> to try the real TU58 :-)
If it supported the 11/03 or Falcon, I'd consider trying it with real
TU58's. However, in looking at the docs now that I've finally found them I
suspect that TU58's are intended to only be for installing on a disk.
> Will an old version of Linux do? Or should I finally try to get Release 7
> running on the 11/45 (or BSD on the 11/44)? I don't have time to play
Unless you need a newer version of gcc than you have installed, an old
version of Linux should work (I assume by old you're talking 1.x). I don't
know if this is something that could be built on a PDP-11 running UNIX.
Zane
>From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org>
>
>> I wonder if this might have something to do with
>> the NASA buys?
>> Dwight
>
>I think it is pure economics of a maturing collectable field. There is
>really nothing strange about some very rare chips fetching huge prices -
>the collectable (and I an not including the audio market) tube scene
>works just the same way. Some tubes, with only a tiny difference in
>contruction from the norm, are worth oodles.
>
>William Donzelli
>aw288(a)osfn.org
>
Ya, I know what you mean. I wish I had a box full of 450's and 2A3's.
a couple hundred WD11's would be nice as well. ( for the rest
of the group, that is tube talk ).
Dwight
Lest this degenerate into another anti-Microsoft panegyric, here's the MSNBC
gushy bit on Palladium, Microsoft's new hardware certification and
encryption device:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp?cp1=1
Here's the Gurus (Register USA) article that got me thinking:
http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25378.html
My question is this. It looks like, even by the bright soft sweetness in
the MSNBC article, that everything that comes in and out, as well as gets
executed and touched by, a Palladium-based system needs to be certified.
If that's so, since many classic servers or systems may not have the oomph or
capability to exchange data with a Palladium because they can't build the
certificate, or if a licensing fee were needed from MS, what would this mean
to us running old servers or OSes that won't speak in Microsoft's blessed
credentials? Even E-mail or web pages served up might have to be signed.
I'm not upgrading stockholm or my Solbourne just to speak in certificates.
(The other issues, such as everything you run on a Palladium system having
to be signed, even freeware at a potential cost to the author for a license
key, as well as the death of open source, are probably OT but definitely
scary.)
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I know this is mildly off topic but I've run out of places to look so I'll ask here. Recently I found a bunch of new HP microwave transitors in a pile of surplus scrap. I'd not sure what you call this package but the transistor is about 1/16" in size and it has four leads sticking out radially. Each lead is about 1/4" long. Their part number is TXVT-2101 and I can't find a number remotely like that on HP's or Agilent's websites. A Google search also failed to find anything. Each transistor is in an individual box and each is serial numbered and has the gain written on it. I think they date from about 1983 but I'm not positive about that. They're obviously expensive parts and I'd like to find out more about them. Can anyone help?
Joe
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034993396
Unfortunately, I logged on about 20 minutes too late. It is a 1960's wang
programmable calculator with a printer, card reader, and an external core
memory expansion module. The exact model isn't listed. Supposedly all in
working order. The winning price: a low, low buy-it-now of $25.99.
-----
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Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words:
> > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>[snip]
> > > 20) If the space bar on your keyboard doesn't work, blame it on the mail
> > > upgrade. Keyboards are actually very happy with half a pound of muffin
> > > crumbs and nail clippings in them.
> >
> I'm reminded of one of my users who said her whole computer would
>"freak out" when she used her mouse. (BTW She's right handed...) So, once I
>get to her desk, everything is okay for me, and using the mouse (located to
>the right, and behind the keyboard.) was normal.
> So I ask her to show me. That's when I see her heavy, very loose &
>baggy sleeve, wool sweater push down just about every key on the numeric
>keypad. Especially the Enter key. When I pointed this out to her, she said
>"No it's not. It's the computer!"
>"Really? Okay. Well I'm gonna go downstairs and check the server for
>problems. In the meantime, watch your sleeve, just in case."
> And no, I didn't bother with the server. Just went to lunch. And
>never heard about that problem again...
I have one better - when I worked as a tech (way back when Winders 3.1 was
king...) one lady said she couldn't get her work done, because WordPerfect
for Winders kept crashing. (There were more memory leaks in that program
than a sieve...) She was not restarting winders every crash, so I told her
in the short term if it crashed she needed to restart winders every time,
that would help lower the hard crashes until I had a chance to troubleshoot
the problem.
She went ballistic. "How the hell do you expect me to get my work done if I
have to keep restarting windows?" (understandable...) Two hours later, I
made it to her cubicle, and after an hour (troubleshooting, testing,
double-checking, and fixing), figured out that it was the driver for her
3-button Logitech mouse (great mice, crappy drivers) was causing WPW to
crash so often, so I removed the driver, and everything seemed fine...
... an hour later, I got an even more ballistic call - "Where the hell did
my double-click go?" "'Scuse me?" "My middle button quit working! Where'd
my double-click go?" "I told you, that was the reason why your WP was
crashing. You wanted that fixed, I fixed it. "Well, how the HELL do you
expect me to get my work done without my double-click????" -- "You *might*
try double-clicking on the left mouse button..." "I can't be bothered with
doing THAT! Do you realize how much TIME having my double-click saves me! I
just can't be BOTHERED to do that on my own!!! Get your a$$ back here and
give me my double-click!!!" But ma'am, if I do that, your WP will start
crashing again, and you'll need to restart your windows every time that
happens. "I don't CARE! I just can't get my work done without my
double-click!!!!!"
It's times like those that make me wish I became a farmer instead...
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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At 09:58 AM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT
>> > Support. We love to hack.
>>
>> You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet locks?
>> I am truely amazed....
>>
> Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :)
Man! that's cheating! I used to work at Martin Marietta and they moved everyone around frequently. When they did we got other desks, file drawers etc. The problem was theat we now had to change keys and had to keep up with new ones. I became very popular when my co-workers found out that I could pick the locks on all the desks and cabinents, remove the lock cylinders then re-install them in their new furniture so that they could keep their old keys. Interestingly, the facilities people didn't mind. It saved them the trouble of replacing lost keys and what not.
Joe
> From: Joe
>
> At 09:58 AM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >> > 27) When you have a lock to pick on an old file cabinet, call IT
> >> > Support. We love to hack.
> >>
> >> You mean there are computer people who _can't_ pick filing cabinet
> locks?
> >> I am truely amazed....
> >>
> > Yeah, a DeWalt cordless and the proper bit work wonders. :)
>
> Man! that's cheating! I used to work at Martin Marietta and they moved
> everyone around frequently. When they did we got other desks, file drawers
> etc. The problem was theat we now had to change keys and had to keep up
> with new ones. I became very popular when my co-workers found out that I
> could pick the locks on all the desks and cabinents, remove the lock
> cylinders then re-install them in their new furniture so that they could
> keep their old keys. Interestingly, the facilities people didn't mind. It
> saved them the trouble of replacing lost keys and what not.
>
> Joe
>
Not really, if you can't get the filing cabinet open, and needs it's
contents right now. And can't wait 2 weeks for facilities to do it...
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I've already decided that if the general public buys into it, and
that the obvious dystopian implications of Palladium pan out, that
my hobby use of computers can do quite well without the Internet as
it would be shaped into a toll road with armed checkpoints. Perhaps
this would spark a rennaisance of relayed messaging using modems a
la Fido and UUCP to create an alternative network of computers that
are controlled by their owners, rather than a cabal of "rights
managers." This all assumes, of course, that to do so wouldn't be
a felony.
Hi, I'm Doug.
I've just spent a whole week trying to get a "Sharp PC-4600" up and running. It's been dead as a door nail the whole time I've had it, Untill today. The third time I pulled it a part, I discoverd what was wrong and have since corrected it. Yay! blue screen, disk drive lights and beeps!
Now i'm stuck and need your help.
After seting up the bios (set time, ports etc..), It asks for a "system disk". I've tryed start up disks 95 & ME. I doin't have windows 3.1 .
In fact I doint know what operating system Sharp PC-4600 have, Since it does not have a HDD to store any thing.
So what does it run on? Dos?
If you have a System disk for a Sharp PC-4600, Could you copy whats on the disk and send it as an attach ment to me please!!!
Many thanks in advance
Doug.
zippydoug(a)yahoo.com.au
---------------------------------
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> From: Chris
>
> >And I know Chris
> >has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module.
> >Ever start that up Chris?
>
> Not yet. I have more toys kicking around that I WANT to play with, than I
> have time TO play with.
>
- Well, what extras do you have? I may want to liberate some... :)
> Although, since Passwords seems to be an issue, I
> should really get it up and check it before it is too late to contact the
> person we bought it from in case I need a password.
>
- There's a fiber module in that hub too, isn't there? I'll try to get
the pinout of the console cable, so you can just zap the F/W if you have to.
> > As for documentation, I found...
>
> I also have a photo copy of the manuals that came with my Gator (the
> manuals went to Dave as part of a halfsies deal to get mine cheaper)...
>
- That's right. I almost forgot about all those books. I can flip
through them for info, if people need.
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> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com
>
> On Jun 26, 12:20, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton,
> > but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a
> > GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get
> > around missing passwords?
>
> I have a GatorBoxCS, and I have all the docs for it. It's not running at
> the moment (temporary shortage of mains sockets) but IIRC you can reset it
> to factory defaults. It might need a server to get a boot image from,
> though.
>
> --
>
Before I moved, and put mine away, I was about to re-flash the
firmware, which clears all the asswords and settings. I'll try to dig up the
info and files for doing that. Then I'll find a place on the net to put
them, so other can download them.
Note: you need a Mac with a serial port, and the console cable that
came with them. I'll slap a meter on my console cable for the pinout, and
post that too. :) IIRC, you should be able to just hook up a VT420 to the
port after that, for twiddling the knobs.
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>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
>
>> Hi
>> Try
>>
>>
>> : HI ." Hello World" ;
>>
>> HI
>>
>>
>> Dwight ;)
>
>Looks a lot like the "Hello, World" program I found on the net, unfortuantly
>I'm not having much luck.
>
>: HI ." Hello World" ; ."?
>: HI ."Hello World" ; ."HELLO?
>: HELLO ."Hello_World" ; ."HELLO_WORLD"?
>
>
> Zane
>
Hi
Try doing VLIST. You should get a list of all
the words that are in this Forth. Look for words
with " in them and $ in them.
I doubt that it is missing ." but it might be.
Dwight
Does anyone know of any resources on the web that describe the various
sounds hard drives will make before they start to crash?
Like, I know from experience that when I hear a hard drive occasionally
buzz or give out a momentary high pitched squeal, it means the bearings
are failing and it will probably eventually crash (maybe not soon, but
eventually).
Anyone have any info on this?
Thanks!
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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> Hi
> Try
>
>
> : HI ." Hello World" ;
>
> HI
>
>
> Dwight ;)
Looks a lot like the "Hello, World" program I found on the net, unfortuantly
I'm not having much luck.
: HI ." Hello World" ; ."?
: HI ."Hello World" ; ."HELLO?
: HELLO ."Hello_World" ; ."HELLO_WORLD"?
Zane
On Jun 26, 12:20, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton,
> but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a
> GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get
> around missing passwords?
I have a GatorBoxCS, and I have all the docs for it. It's not running at
the moment (temporary shortage of mains sockets) but IIRC you can reset it
to factory defaults. It might need a server to get a boot image from,
though.
--
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Network Manager
University of York
>
> > SOL-11 - A Small Language and OS for the PDP-11
> >
> > SOL is a small, non-standard, stand-alone FORTH kernel containing
> > everything that is required to edit, store, recall, compile, and run
> > programs on PDP-11 microcomputers. It is intended for a minimum
> > operating system and programming environment. The FORTH language offers
> > full access to the complete hardware. Device drivers for the console and
> > some block devices are included.
This is so cool!
> > Supported Hardware
> >
> > * PDP-11 CPU with EIS (required)
> > * 8K to 28K words of memory
Dang, the EIS requirement sucks! This would be perfect for PDP-11/03's and
SBC-11/21's. Unfortunatly the /03 needs the KEV11 option, and the SBC-11/21
is just plain out of luck.
> Presumably it ignores the MMU (but doesn't object if one is present, as
> few machines have EIS but no MMU).
>
> > * console terminal (preferrably VT100)
> > * RX01/RX02 floppy disk drives
> > * RL02 disk drive
> > * TU58 tape drive
>
> I assume it needs the CPU, RAM, console and at least one of the mass
> storage devices. It can't need _all_ the drives, surely?
It only needs one of the drives.
I just built it and booted the RL02 image on SIMH. It looks pretty cool, of
course I don't know FORTH, so can't actually do anything....
I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11
that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on
a PC.
> > The Sources
> >
> > SOL is written in PDP-11 assembly language and FORTH. The BTN11
> > assembler (version 0.9 or later) is required to compile the assembly
> > part of SOL.
> > 40187 2001-07-17 sol-11.tar.gz version 0.4
>
> Sounds like just what I need (given that I have all of the supported
> hardware!). I will take a look. Thanks....
You'll want a UNIX box to build everything. If you don't have a way to
build the images I can through them up on my FTP site (if anyone needs this
it would be best to send me a private email so I'm sure to see the request).
Now to go googling for some FORTH documentation...
Zane
>And I know Chris
>has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module.
>Ever start that up Chris?
Not yet. I have more toys kicking around that I WANT to play with, than I
have time TO play with. Although, since Passwords seems to be an issue, I
should really get it up and check it before it is too late to contact the
person we bought it from in case I need a password.
> As for documentation, I found...
I also have a photo copy of the manuals that came with my Gator (the
manuals went to Dave as part of a halfsies deal to get mine cheaper). So
I can make more copies easily with them if anyone needs a set (now I can
drop them on the sheet feeder and walk away.. it was this first set that
was a dog as I had to turn the page, press the copy button, repeat for 3
somewhat decent sized manuals).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>Actaully, if it's a Trinitron CRT, be more careful. It's not too hard to
>distort the aperture grille (and thus ruin the CRT) with a degausing
>coil.
Don't think it is a Trinitron. Isn't that a Sony thing? This is a Sharp
unit.
I give the bulk eraser a shot before buying a coil.
Thanks
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> From: Ethan Dicks
>
>
> --- David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> wrote:
> > Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a
> > LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and
> > UNIX based files services...
>
> I'd been meaning to bring up GatorBoxen since I saw pallets of them
> at the Dayton ComputerFest last August. ISTR they were in the $10-$20
> range.
>
> My only experience was with one (not sure about the model) at Scott Base.
> It was fine until they wanted to change some networking parameter but
> did not have the passwords (the technician who installed it had been
> gone for years, and he probably gave the passwords to the Station
> Manager who had been gone just as long, I'd wager)..
>
> So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton,
> but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a
> GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get
> around missing passwords?
>
> In the meantime, I'll stick with the $10 PPC Macs I've been getting, and
> when I do occasionally need to fire up a Compact Mac, I do have a
> SCSI<->Ethernet box that works fine.
>
- Well, my GatorStar GX-R is the rackmount version. And I know Chris
has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module.
Ever start that up Chris?
And sounds like my situation. There's admin passwords on mine.
Haven't had a chance to hack them yet. I should try that out soon. Granted,
none of my home network is set up right now...
You can get software to reflash the firmware, using a Mac on it's
console port. That should eliminate the passwords for you. Cayman, which is
now part of Netopia, used to have their software on the website, but I can't
find it now. Looks like Netopia dumped it. I have the files around here
somewhere.
As for documentation, I found...
http://opcenter.cso.uiuc.edu/nas//nash/mac/gbox.html
I also found this page just now in the WayBack machine...
http://web.archive.org/web/19970705033723/www.cayman.com/gx.htmlhttp://web.archive.org/web/19970705034344/www.cayman.com/specs.html
Let me know if you need more assistance.
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> From: Chris
>
> >We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
>
> I'm sure not aiming to start another flame war :-)
>
Thank you both! ;)
> >One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
> >Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
> >servers..
> >
> >What do you know about that?
>
> Most Macs, since sometime in the early 90's have come with ethernet on
> board. The exceptions were the home targeted models (like the Performa
> series), where ethernet was an optional add on. Every mac since the G3
> comes with ethernet standard (basically, with the death of the performa
> line came the death of optional ethernet....
>
> That pretty much means, every mac from the Plus on can support ethernet.
>
> ....
> If you can't get AppleTalk supported, then you will have to add things to
> the Mac to access the servers. There are 3rd party apps out there to
> enable the Mac to speak to a number of different systems. If this is
> something you want to do, I will be happy to discuss it with you, but it
> is going to get off topic really fast, so we are better off taking it off
> list.
>
> -chris
>
Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a
LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and UNIX
based files services...
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