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by aw288＠osfn.org

Two things of note: There is a warehouse in Northern New Jersey I am currently cleaning out with lots of Teletypes in all shapes, sizes, and flavors. There are old types, "new" types, 5 level, 8 level, probably some Kleinschmidts and Seimens, paper tape readers, repeaters, test sets, even some of the weird wall-mount Teletypes. And parts - thousands of parts, many never used, still in the wrappings. Many of these units are military surplus, some >from World War 2. Prices are right - most of it can be had for a cold beverage. It all has to go, and the scrap metal dumpster is calling. Contact me off list for details. I can not ship anything - it is all pick-up only. Hours are mostly Monday thru Friday 10 thru 5-ish, although if you think you will take bunches of the stuff, Saturday *may* be an option. There is a loading dock. (if someone could post this to the Greenkeys list, that would be great) In other news... Somehow between days of backbreaking warehouse work in the Garden State, I need to pick up a big old Univac 9300 soon. Loading should not be a problem, but I may need a hand at my house, unloading, in Carmel, NY (that is near Danbury, CT). Pizza and beer on me. Any takers? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 8 months

Anyone looking for a CDC 9766?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

When I was inspecting a Pyramid tower for Dan Cohoe today, the guy at dotcomliquidation was rolling out a CDC 6766 drive for a fellow >from Virginia who rented a minivan and drove to Columbus to pick it up (important safety tip: the back deck of a minivan does not lift up high enough to allow adequate forklift clearance to rear-load a 600 lb disk drive. He will have some explaining to do when he returns the van ;-) I mention it because a) it sold for $25 and b) he has one more. If I had needed it (got plenty of Fuji Eagles and no 9766 platters) I might have bought it. The seller offered the second drive to me on the spot for the same price. I was a little disappointed in what they had there - *lots* of copiers (90% end up in the crusher he said), wads of phone and PBX equipment (including a 20 cabinet Lucent switch that he was going to offer at $60K to start). Virtually no DEC equipment beyond a couple of semi- modern storage arrays in the $100-$500 range. I'll probably pop by his eBay list from time to time - shipping is no hassle for me - they are 6 miles from work. So... if you are *really* interested in a 9766, write me and I'll do what I can to hook you up. I do *not* own a vehicle that will be suitable to take it to my house. I don't mind storing it for someone for a reasonable interval (weeks, not years), but I personally have no way to get it there. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

23 years, 8 months

Klez HELP ! (don't open if in any format) was Re: HEADERS?

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I've done the Vulcan neck pinch (love the terminology :^) ) many times to see what was running that could be using all this memory. Ending tasks freed up miniscule amounts of memory according to "tweak-all" and using the free memory module in tweak-all brought me back to what should be expected, considering the apps I was using. > At 07:52 PM 8/2/02 -0500, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > It seems that I did not escape Klez. > > When your system is running, use the vulcan neck pinch (Control-Alt-Del). > Is there anything running with program name wink* (wink plus some > random digits.)? > Are there any files found when you do "dir/a c:\windows\system\wink*.exe" ? If > not, you probably don't have Klez. Your posting here was made using Pegasus, > which does not open the Klez virus when you open an e-mail message. You would > have had to execute the attachment. > One of the first things I did was check for files with "wink" in their title as suggested in the various AV suggestions. > When you run the Klez cleaner, did you run it from Safe Mode? That's > the safest way to remove it; you can also follow the manual removal > process at > <http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html>. > I used the Mcaffee remover as per suggestions in the read me file that urged you to do it this way, but not with the clrav.com file from Kaspersky. > Note that Klez often comes shipped with the Elkern virus - that > disables most antivirus software. > > >I have had a continuous memory drain > >since stupidly opening the first msg. in HTML and memory resources drain > >eventually freeze my computer. I come up clean with both the Symantic and > >Kaspersky removal tools however. One of the spoofed messages with R.E.s > >return path was from Allison warning about klez and recommending the > >Kaspersky Klez removal tool. I'd never heard about Kaspersky before. > >Makes > >me seriously wonder about these AV companies. Create a problem and then > >sell a solution. > > What evidence do you have that an antivirus company is responsible for > creating the Klez problem? Or any other virus? > -Rick > It may be simply paranoia, but the fact that the spoofed file from AJP {Allison) had a recommendation to use the Kaspersky Klez removal tool makes me wonder why the beast would suggest it's own demise. Somewhere I can also remember an advisory that AV programs encourage sloppy procedures and should be done without. Not to mention the size of some of the latest programs. 81 Megs for the latest flavor ? Give me a break. This is either BS marketing or incredibly sloppy. wasteful programming. " Ah, the jerks will either grab the cheap ram available or get a multi-gig new hard drive" "I want to have a good weekend so what do I care how the dweebs handle it". Why I prefer older equipment. Or UYA with MS "computer advances" Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

23 years, 8 months

Teletypes (33 are gone)

by aw288＠osfn.org

All 33s? Probably, but one never knows in this warehouse. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 8 months

Rescue / Sale in AZ: PET, Tandy, Apple, PC

by Inkster＠knology.com

I am very interested in your 3M Thermal "Secretary" Copiers. If you still have them how much of a donation is required for both units? Thanks for your time, Allen Meredith

23 years, 8 months

[GreenKeys] Fwd: IBM card punch / reader (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

Pls reply directly to Henry if you can be of assistance to him. The 'Greenkeys' list is for folks who like to collect and love Teletype gear of all kinds, BTW... a few classiccmpers are also on it. John ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:47:59 -0400 From: Henry Minsky <hqm(a)ai.mit.edu> To: greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: IBM card punch / reader > > >Hi Folks, > >This may be a little off topic but I am interested in trying to obtain a >punched card reader >and writer. I don't know much about this equipment, but If anyone has any >stuff lying around in the Boston area, I'd be interested. > >Thanks, > Hnery _______________________________________________ GreenKeys mailing list GreenKeys(a)mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

23 years, 8 months

NS32k based system

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've got a NatSemi ICM-3216 that I'd like to get an OS for. It apparently (according to Google) runs either BSD 4.2 or SVR2. Does anyone know where I can download something I can use to install either of these onto a SCSI drive for the thing? It's got a couple of serial ports, some memory, and a SCSI port (probably other things that I am not remembering also). Thanks for the help. -- Pat

23 years, 8 months

Latest find : IBM display writer

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

So I walking up to a Dirty Garage (Vente de Garage Sale :) and spotted a grey box that looked like it might be some sort of Mac or stranger from the rear. Coming to the front, I see it is a dual 8 inch disquette drive! The owner of the dirty garage came up to me and, spying my Linux t-shirt, claimed it was Linux compatible. A good chuckle was had. However, the drive was part of a complete Displaywriter, which he was giving away. So I backed my car up and loaded it all in. - 6580 Electronics Module, display, keyboard - 6360 Diskette Unit - 5215 Printer Doco : - IBM Displaywriter System Customer Setup Guide - IBM Displaywriter KWIC [sic] Reference guide - 11 binders of Textpack tutorials (and documentation?) - Several sets of software. Haven't checked if it's multiple versions of same programs or many different programs - Many more 8 inch diskettes, including 5-10 unused still in plastic - 2 loose boards, in a bag w/ small piece of paper where upon it is written : "Defective, changed summer 93" in french I haven't fired it up yet to see if it works. However, I *must* get rid of it as I have no space for it. So, is anyone interested? My cost : FREE CHEAP. Of course, you pay for shipping from southern Quebec (which won't be cheap for something this heavy). Better yet, come and pick it up! I'd even be prepared to deliver it to somewhere close by (I'm in Estrie) or even Montreal (I go there often). If there are no takers w/in a month, I'll probably end up as landfill (except the diskettes). -Philip

23 years, 8 months

SGI IRIS 1400 (longish)

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

As many folks might have already noticed, I've been a little absent from the mailing list as of late. One reason is the current status of upgrading my day to day workstation, but the other is the latest SGI system that I got from Nick here in Houston. The small amount of information I found on the web about SGI IRIS 1x00 line seems to indicate that the 1400 is the first "workstation" class system SGI sold. The 1000 and 1200 were both GUI terminals without any local storage. These systems were all made in the early 1980s, and no one seems to know just how many were made. For those folks who have never seen a 1x00 or 2x00 desk-side SGI IRIS, the chassis is about twice the size of a DEC BA123 (not too much wider), but it seems to weigh a little less. (The custom Hitachi monitor for the 1400 actually seems to weigh more than the system.) This 1400 is more or less complete. It has it's monitor, all the cables (except for the two power cords), the keyboard, mouse, and a set of programmers manuals. If someone has an OS or diagnostics tape (of even knows which versions of IRIX this system will support), please let me know. A hardware manual would also be very nice, but I'm not going to hold my breath... While breaking the system down for a complete cleaning and inspection, I found a couple of notes and tags in the system from a previous sysadmin. One is a hand-drawn card cage ribbon cable/led diagram on a scrap of paper (which might turn out to be useful ;) There was a tag attached to the corner of the ST-506 interface board, that states something along the lines of "Board removed from IRIS, suspect U/S, no prints.", and has a set of initials on it. There was also a tag attached to the ribbon cable that connects the AUI connector on the rear of the system to the network interface board. The cable had been unplugged, and the tag stated something along the lines of "This cable was found to be damaged when removing the PSU, do not reconnect!", and showed a date of 1996 and two sets of initials. It turned out the "damage" was minor, and could have been safely ignored. The ribbon cable had originally been 15 conductor, but had been stripped down to 14 conductors, except for one loose 8" wire at the AUI end. That wire is connected to pin 1 of the AUI connector, and it appears someone had crimped a 0.25" quick connect terminal to it and connected it to an unused chassis ground terminal on the line filter. Pin 1 didn't even exist on the card end of the cable, so my guess is someone modified the cable due to interference problems. When I found the loose wire, it had been pulled loose from the quick connect terminal, and had some (cheap) electrical tape wrapped around the end. This particular system was located in England from around 1983 to 1998 or so, and had been converted for 240V operation. It appears the conversion was done by a SGI field tech, since the rear of the system has a sticker that states "115V", while the metal plate with the IEC connector states "230V". The PSU has a typewritten SGI sticker with a 184-260V(?) voltage range covering the 115V rating next to the supply terminals. After looking at the PSU itself, it appears conversion back to 115/120V requires little more than desoldering/resoldering some jumper wires. The 3 system fans will also have to be replaced when converting the system back to 120V. I also noticed an extra white wire run up to the front panel where the power switch is mounted. There is a black wire used for hot, and a red wire used for the switched hot. The white wire is connected to the unswitched hot (or what would be neutral for 120V operation), so I'm guessing this system would have originally used a lighted rocker switch before the 240V conversion (there are no power on indicators on the front of the system). There are also 4 extra wires in the junction box behind the bottom rear panel. Two are white and are on what would be the neutral side, one is black, which is unswitched hot, and the other is red, again switched hot. My guess is that these were originally used for accessory outlets on the original panel, which was replaced during the 240V conversion. I found quite a few things that had not been reinstalled properly at some point, but one thing that really sticks out were the "missing" spacer washers used for the 5V 100A power supply connections. I actually found the pair of washers used under two of the bolts that mount the PSU to the system chassis. I ended up replacing some of the crimp-on connectors for some of the power supply connections. I think the original system builder must have been having a bad day, because there were a number of those terminals that were not crimped properly. About 50% of the screws that are supposed to hold the system together were also missing. I guess one of the former service techs in England didn't like removing/installing screws... After completing the cleanup/inspection, I checked out the supply voltages (without any boards installed in the card cage and without any drives installed) and found all the supply voltages to be within spec. I reinstalled all the boards, and checked it out again, at which point the system appeared to be functioning properly (according to the diagnostic display on the rear of the system). I then reinstalled the hard drive, and connected the monitor. I got an image on the monitor, but the picture was very, very poor. It looks like the monitor will need to be recapped. I was able to read it well enough to see that I got the initial monitor display with a 'boot>' prompt. I wasn't able to boot the system though, since there does indeed appear to be something wrong with the ST-506 interface (I got continuous "timeout" errors for md:0). There could also be something wrong with the hard drive (which appears to have been serviced at some point), but since there was a tag attached to the ST-506 interface board, it is my primary suspect. The SGI sticker under the front panel on this system shows it as serial number 95 (same as on a rear sticker), and all the boards installed in the card cage (with the exception of the ST-506 interface) appear to match the numbers on that sticker. I'm kinda wondering if someone might have used this 1400 as a source for a spare ST-506 interface, but I'll probably never know. The ST-506 interface thats currently installed in this system appears to be of 3rd party origin, though maybe all of the ST-506 interface boards for the 1x00 and 2x00 systems were. The SGI sticker also shows the backplane cut to be 9/10, but inspection showed that it actually has a 11/12 cut. There is also another SGI sticker underneath the visible one, and it appears this system was originally serial number 47, also with a 11/12 backplane cut. Does anyone have any info on these systems? There doesn't seem to be much information left, and very little can be found on the web. I'm somewhat tempted to try contacting SGI for a little more information, but I don't know if there would still be anyone still there who would know anything about this system. If there is any interest, I'll see about putting up some pictures of this system over the next couple of weeks. -Toth

23 years, 8 months

Tips/leads for Nat Semi 32k system(s)?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Anybody have a suggestion for locating some kind of system based on the Nat Semi 32k family? At this stage the only preference I'd state is that it be a vaguely "open" platform (e.g. CompuPro's old 32016 S-100 board - I'd love a system built around one of these) or run some flavor of Unix (a la Nat Semi's Genix boxes or the Tektronix workstations). I followed Bruce Culbertson's 32016 design way back when, and of course Dave Rand et alia's pc532 board. I even have a 32k design kit from Nat Semi around here somewhere, but never got started on my ambitious plans of building something from Bruce's design. Suggestions or even just reminiscences would be welcome. Thanks, --Steve. -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX "Your information doesn't sleep. Why should your programmers?"

23 years, 8 months

HP 1000 video card???

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I sent this earlier but it never re-appeared here so I'm sending it again. I found some odd looking HP 1000 cards yesterday. Can anyone identify them? I THINK they're for the A-series HP 1000s. They have three gold connectors on them that look like an over-sized SMA connectors. The connectors don't have lugs, posts or threads on them but are about the size of a BNC connector. Next to the connectors are the letters R G B. There are several numbers on them but I think the part number is 12065-60001. They have a NEC 7220 Graphics controller IC and a 68008 CPU on them along with some other large ICs that are unmarked. I also found some other HP 1000 cards. I think I know what they are but if anyone feels like adding some details be my guest! Here are the board numbers and markings on the pull tabs (if they have them). 12040-60214 (8 ch Mux), 12060-60101 (12 bit ADC), 12061-60001 (32 ch Mux) (these two may be a set), 12009-69020 (HP-IB), another 12060-60101 (12 bit ADC). Joe

23 years, 8 months

MemoryWriter 620

by melgordon1955＠yahoo.com

Hill if you are getting a grinding noise you may not have a daisy wheel in the slot or if you do it is not being read when it rotates. You also may not have a ribbon installed properly.. Yes I do know this machine as I sold and repaired them for Xerox for 10 years.. let me know.. Andy in Eureka Ca

23 years, 8 months

HP 150 manuals and software FS

by nathan.r.maki＠intel.com

I know this message is dated but I was wondering if you still had the HP 150 owner's guide and the series 100 PCF. Is that the version of the PCF that will run on the HP 150? If so does it matter what what version of the HP 150 (A,B,C)? Thanks, Nate

23 years, 8 months

Tips/leads for Nat Semi 32k system(s)?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Thanks Sellam, I'll keep that in mind. You'll understand, I hope, if I keep looking for one to acquire. I'd feel a little uncomfortable with something on loan if I let the project languish for a while (which, of course, NEVER happens...). I do have a nice 22 slot CompuPro S-100 cage, but mostly 8 bit S-100 gear. I'm open to any 32k based system, though I don't think I could fit an Encore or Sequent into the garage at the moment. Tektronix made some workstations, but I've no further information about them. Nat Semi had some interesting looking eval boards and systems. Anyway, if anyone finds something 32k-related that needs a home, please keep me in mind. Thanks, --Steve. -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX "Your information doesn't sleep. Why should your programmers?"

23 years, 8 months

OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>>Possibly. These were made in 1985 and cost around $500, new. I don't >>have Mac software or cables, though. >> >>The interface box doubles as a real-time clock for the Apple II. It was >>made by Applied Engineering. > >Humm... I don't remember the one I am thinking of having an interface >box. I think it just had a mini-din 8 to 1/32" phono plug that plugged >into the side of the watch. > >Maybe the one I am thinking of was a repackaged version (or an updated >version). I'll have to do some searching to see what I can find. Ok, I found this on it (I didn't mean to send my other email until I was done searching). This is from an old TidBits newsletter: -- Neatest Product: The WristMac, from Ex Machina (published by Microseeds Publishing), is a Seiko wristwatch that stores up to 80 two-line "screens" of data, such as phone numbers, appointments, and to-do lists, complete with an interface cable that connects to a Mac serial ports, so you can use the included HyperCard 2.0 stack to enter and manipulate the data. You can even have the watch's alarm function alert you of the appointments that you've entered into the database. -- There is a picture here (not a good one) http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~danbo/WRISTMAC.html It sounds like it might have been an off shoot of the same watch made for the Apple II. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Possibly. These were made in 1985 and cost around $500, new. I don't >have Mac software or cables, though. > >The interface box doubles as a real-time clock for the Apple II. It was >made by Applied Engineering. Humm... I don't remember the one I am thinking of having an interface box. I think it just had a mini-din 8 to 1/32" phono plug that plugged into the side of the watch. Maybe the one I am thinking of was a repackaged version (or an updated version). I'll have to do some searching to see what I can find. Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

Fwd: [swap] ProFile looking for good home

by mythtech＠mac.com

I got this on a Mac swap list today. Maybe someone in or near London wants to follow up and snag themselves a free Lisa Profile drive. (Or if someone wants to grab it for free, but doesn't want it, I'll be happy to pay shipping to have it sent to the US) ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- >Subject: [swap] ProFile looking for good home >Date: 8/2/02 8:02 AM >Received: 8/2/02 10:53 AM >From: BrianH, b.harding(a)qmul.ac.uk >To: LEM Swap List, lem-swap(a)mail.maclaunch.com > >-------------------- > >Hi, > >I've got an Apple Profile external drive - apparently suits Apple II or >Lisa?? Believed working, nothing to test with. FREE to good home - but must >_collect_ from Forest Gate, London, UK. > >Contact me and tell me why you should have it;> > > >-- > >Take care ..... > >Brian ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I recently bought an inventory of new Seiko Datagraph UC-2001 watches. >They have 2K of memory, a 40 character (1400 pixels) display, and basic >notepad and calendar functions (the calendar is really just a notepad >which it orders for you). The watch connects via a wireless connection >to the interface box, which connects to the IIe via the joystick port. A >version for the IIc was also offered, and I think it's just a matter of >rewiring the cable. Are these the watches that were sold in the late 80's and could interface with the Mac? I think they used a hypercard stack to download data to the watch, which I think was pretty much just plain text. I don't remember what the watch was called, but I think it might have been made by Seiko. I think they sold for about $100 new... I always wanted one, but never had the spare cash :-( -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

HP 1000 video card???

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I found some odd looking HP 1000 cards yesterday. Can anyone identify them? I THINK they're for the A-series HP 1000s. They have three gold connectors on them that look like an over-sized SMA connector. The connectors don't have lugs, posts or threads on them but are about the size of a BNC connector. Next to the connectors are the letters R G B. There are several numbers on them but I think the part number is 12065-60001. They have a NEC 7220 Graphics controller IC and a 68008 CPU on them along with some other large ICs that are unmarked. Joe

23 years, 8 months

Lisa 1 manual on eBay, Is this one of Us?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Check out the final selling price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2040763188

23 years, 8 months

Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is two years late, but the terminal the original poster describes > sounds like an IST (model 1), a CRT-based CDC product, vintage about 1978. > There was a later edition called the IST-II, also CDC. It had two 8" drives > and a Z-80 CPU, as well as connectivity to CDC PLATO mainframe systems, > either by dialup modem (1200 bps) or multiplexer. Actually, I was the original poster; a reply to me mentioned the terminal you're describing. > The IST is not the oldest PLATO terminal, but it is the oldest that CDC > manufactured, I suspect. Even my PLATO IV (Magnavox, 1971) is not the > oldest, but only the first mass-produced machine. The earliest ones date to > about 1961 and there are probably only two or three still in existence, if > we're lucky enough to have that many. A precursor to these would be Norman > Crowder's Auto-Tutor, vintage about 1958, which has characteristics very > similar to the PLATO terminals (though it is not a computer terminal, it > operates on filmstrip media), and PLATO's mechanisms are said to have been > influenced by this machine. It's one of the mid-70s Magnavox plasma displays I'm looking for... Say, are you able to connect to NovaNET with the magnavox terminal? if so, we should meet for a game of Empire or Avatar some time (although I'm sure you'll wipe me out).... or maybe a more civilized game of chess... Regards, -doug quebbeman

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by blacklord＠telstra.com

> > > Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh > as a > > > regularpractice? > > > > > > I've got a couple of 128's that act as shelf supports for some > of my > > Commodore equipment - so I guess you could say that they are > "still in > > use" :-) > > When I first read that, I read the '128' as 'C128' and wondered > how on > earth a Commodore 128 could be used to support anything... > > -tony > Good god no! The Commodore 128's are far more useful than the early Macs! cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam asked: >Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular >practice? Sorta. Every year me and a bunch of buddies get together to play computer network games. "Spaceward Ho" started the tradition, so we always play it as a point of ceremony, and my Mac Plus is always on the net and playing. I actually won with it last year. Likewise, I have the same machine set up so that the 2-year-old can play "Babysmash", the 6-year-old can play a Maze game, and the 9-year-old can use "Concertware", but those have not been very heavily used, just novelty value so far. Does that count? - Mark

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Sellam, > > Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a > regularpractice? I've got a couple of 128's that act as shelf supports for some of my Commodore equipment - so I guess you could say that they are "still in use" :-) Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

23 years, 8 months

Vax 8600 on Ebay

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Oh I don't know, hearing about an 11/70 being thrown out doesn't bother me too much.. I think its much worse that the guy who formerly owned my Honeywell threw away 4 hard disks, 6 tape drives, all the manuals, and all the software, a whole month before I called him... At least 11/70 manuals and SW aren't made of unobtainium, at least not compared to DPS-6 stuff.. Or the people I know who my dad wouldn't call until I cleaned up the house that in the meantime figured I wasn't interested and threw out their Primes... : ( Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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